The 2020 thread....

[WALKonBack]

I like turtles.

[gavroche]

The Supreme Court was right that there is nothing in the constitution from preventing political parties from giving themselves an advantage with voting districts.  It was a failed strategy.

File the same case showing how it disproportionately impacts voters for certain races and the outcome is wholly different.   

The argument is that it isn't enough to have the right to vote, but you also have to have the right to vote meaningfully.  Getting packed into a district takes away that right.  I think it's a strong argument, and would have won with a different Supreme Court.  Kennedy actually was receptive to it, but had issues with how to weight it. 

Functionally, if you can argue that you are allow to pack voters based on politics, it is a back door to eliminating minority voting power as well.

[Dejecty-hatch lııllı|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl]

, it is a back door to eliminating minority voting power as well.

but wait, aren't they the minority voting power...

[Dejecty-hatch lııllı|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl]

caucuses...on paper they seem like a Greek ideal democracy...but in reality they kinda suck
this is an interesting turn on this front

Democrats in Iowa and Nevada will be able to vote over the phone

[Julian, Bespoke SEXPERT]

caucuses...on paper they seem like a Greek ideal democracy...but in reality they kinda suck
this is an interesting turn on this front

Democrats in Iowa and Nevada will be able to vote over the phone

Caucuses are terrible and raises the “price of admission” on voting. It’s no surprise that Bernie Sanders limited success in 2016 came on the backs of caucus states. Fuck caucuses.

[Dejecty-hatch lııllı|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl]

Fuck caucuses.

I 100% agree...

[vansmack]

Caucasuses are only fun for political theory and game theory. 

Useless for everything else.

[Dejecty-hatch lııllı|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl]

show me the MONEY
2Q reporting

1. Buttigieg $24.8M
2. Biden $21.5M
3. Warren $19.1M
4. Sanders $18M
5. Harris $12M
6. Bennet $2.8M
7. Bullock $2M
8. Hickenlooper $1M

yes this was released a few days ago
but man, who would have guessed Mayor Pete to be on top of fundraising
not all campaigns reported yet (not due until July 15th)....what's not clear is the Debate bump in here
as I heard Harris cleaned up

[hutch]

Fundraising...the most useless stat out there...except for the political consultants who gobble it all up...or the media that takes a big chunk

Not to mention you have to look at how much money the candidates spent to get that money

There is something bizarre about arguing rich people should not give money but if it’s “the people” it’s democratic...if a rich person gives $50 that is bad but if a poor person gives $100 that is good?

Literally we have debate lineups being decided on number of contributors

The whole system wants to convince us it’s good to donate when in reality it’s just a waste

[hutch]

It’s sad that in America we literally measure a political campaign’s success by how much money they raise! I don’t know any other place that does it like this

American exceptionalism indeed

[Space Freely]

show me the MONEY
2Q reporting

1. Buttigieg $24.8M
2. Biden $21.5M
3. Warren $19.1M
4. Sanders $18M
5. Harris $12M
6. Bennet $2.8M
7. Bullock $2M
8. Hickenlooper $1M

yes this was released a few days ago
but man, who would have guessed Mayor Pete to be on top of fundraising
not all campaigns reported yet (not due until July 15th)....what's not clear is the Debate bump in here
as I heard Harris cleaned up

The gays have lots of disposable income, the blacks not so much.

[Dejecty-hatch lııllı|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl]

It’s sad that in America we literally measure a political campaign’s success by how much money they raise!

like it or not, it does show support
People are not going to give money to a candidate if they don't support them

I by no means think it is the only indicator of 'success' but it definitely a data point that can be looked at to give you a pulse on the campaign's support

other than polling (and I'm sometimes skeptical of that too) how else are you going to judge how much support a campaign has?

you have to look at how much money the candidates spent to get that money

that's a data point I'd like to see...is that available

this is interesting too
Majority of Americans say they won’t donate to 2020 presidential campaigns
Only 8% of Americans have given to a 2020 presidential campaign so far,
so this does support your theory that it's too small of a sample of the likely voter...

[hutch]

The only support measure that should matter is the votes counted

[Dejecty-hatch lııllı|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl]

The only support measure that should matter is the votes counted

well duh...but that vote isn't until the spring and a cluster fuck because the way they do it (should just be on one day or if they have to 4 days ...one for every time zone)

[vansmack]

Swalwell is announcing just announced this afternoon (west coast time) that he is out.

Interestingly, LAT is reporting that Tom Steyer is in. Hmmm