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Clash vs. Ramones vs. Sex Pistols
« on: July 08, 2005, 01:31:00 pm »
Which band has had the most influence on music today and which one in your estimation is the best?  I know they are all completely different in their own right.  I believe, for me, that it is the Ramones.  However the other night I saw the Filth and Fury documentary about the Sex Pistols and it made me think for a moment that the Pistols may have been more important than the Clash.  That being said, I believe that the Clash to be a way more important and influential band than the Pistols.  Any thoughts?  Bored at work...

Re: Clash vs. Ramones vs. Sex Pistols
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2005, 01:34:00 pm »
We saw this fat lady at the airport back in late 2001, and dubbed her "Osama Big Fattie". I wonder which band had more influence on her. Probably none of the above.

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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2005, 01:36:00 pm »
Of the three, only the Ramones are worth owning so much as a single CD by. So, I guess them.

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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2005, 01:38:00 pm »
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  Of the three, only the Ramones are worth owning so much as a single CD by. So, I guess them.
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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2005, 01:44:00 pm »
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  Of the three, only the Ramones are worth owning so much as a single CD by.
Apparently someone has taken "Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue" a little too literally.

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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2005, 01:46:00 pm »
yeah, never mind the bollocks.

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Re: Clash vs. Ramones vs. Sex Pistols
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2005, 01:47:00 pm »
All 3 are very different for very different reasons. My thoughts on each below:
 
 1) The Ramones -- Clearly the inventors of a style of music that was copied by many imitators. They essentially reinvented the wheel: they said what they had to say in as little time as possible, stripped out the filler and returned rock'n'roll to its proper beginnings as catchy, tuneful, and simple. But the world was SO not ready for them at that point in time, which is the case of most work from a creative genius.
 
 2) The Sex Pistols -- Mind you, I love the Pistols but they destroyed the hope of punk rock. No record label wanted to touch punk rock when it ended up on the front page of the newspaper. Strung out on dope, vomiting, cursing, bleeding, fighting, pierced with safety pins, etc. Seymour Stein wanted to quit classifying bands punk rock and instead embrace the term "new wave". The Sex Pistols essentially proved that if bands were just going to self destruct there was no point in investing in bands like the Ramones or the Damned. It just didn't make sense if you were a businessman.
 
 3) The Clash -- The most diverse of the the 3, the one that got the most attention and critical praise at the time of their existence. A brilliant band, but the ones who strayed most from the punk rock formula. They had starry eyes and pretty much peaked and then self-distructed rapidly. A hugely dynamic output, but I still have to say the Ramones understood rock'n'roll better. Not that the Clash are overrated by any means. It just got to a point where they did what they had to do to sell records and CBS took the ball and ran with it. The Ramones were just never in that position no matter how hard they tried. Instead, it took countless imitators to finally break through.

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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2005, 01:48:00 pm »
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  Of the three, only the Ramones are worth owning so much as a single CD by. So, I guess them.
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London was probably calling to beg someone to put them out of their misery.

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Re: Clash vs. Ramones vs. Sex Pistols
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2005, 01:50:00 pm »
i'd go: ramones, then the clash, then the pistols far behind. as far as who 15 year old me enjoyed the most, that is.
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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2005, 02:02:00 pm »
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 2) The Sex Pistols
it seems like every british band i read about that started in the late 70s got together because they went to a pistols show in '77
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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2005, 02:02:00 pm »
If the question is which of the three had most influence, then it cannot be the clash.
 
 At the start clash and Bernie Rhodes their manager were copying whatever the pistols and Mclaren did.
 
 The pistols in turn were copying what the Americans did, torn t-shirts, Richard Hell was there first and on and on.
 
 So maybe The ramones were the most influential.
 
 
 Then again the clash have the best body of work and showed complete mastery of pop music.

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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2005, 02:06:00 pm »
Did I ever tell you about the blue haired girl that gave me tickets and a backstage pass to the Pixies in London back in '89? Gets me all choked up just thinking about it.

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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2005, 02:07:00 pm »
Check back to July 4th weekend, 1976 when the Pistols, Clash, etc. all went to see the Ramones play at the Roundhouse. That's the one event that essentially kick-started punk in England. Though the Damned were technically the first British punk band to release a record (the New Rose 7"), the Ramones were still the ones who disrupted English sensibilities and that's when punk rock took off.

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Re: Clash vs. Ramones vs. Sex Pistols
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2005, 02:09:00 pm »
Ramones for sheer poetry.
 
 Staring at my goldfish bowl
 Popping Phenobarbital
 Life is so beautful
 I've gone mental
 
 When I was in my teens I would have said the pistols.  In my 20s, the clash.  But now the ramones by far.  I still listen to them all the time.  They seem way less gonzo and bubblegum to me now than they did way back when, but that's probably just me.

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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2005, 02:10:00 pm »
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  Though the Damned were technically the first British punk band to release a record (the New Rose 7")
Yeah it is a technicality as the pistols were pissed off as they saw the damned as pretenders who were copying them.