Clash vs. Ramones vs. Sex Pistols

[chaz]

Sorry pal, Punk Rock is an American export.  Sure the Brits put a safety pin in it, gave it a mowhawk, whatever. There were some truly great great punk bands from the UK, but that doesn't change where it came from.
 

Originally posted by canker-blossom:
   

Originally posted by Fine French Chaz:
  Punk is as American as baseball and apple pie.  
 
 'Nuff said.

Yeah that is right. Do a google image search for punk, you'll never see a union jack.
 
    :roll:  [/b]

[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

The answer is simple: Jack White.  

[godsshoeshine]

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[ratioci nation]

Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
  The answer is simple: Jack White.      

I think you mean Jack Black

[markie]

Originally posted by Fine French Chaz:
  but that doesn't change where it came from.
   

Originally posted by canker-blossom:
   

Originally posted by Fine French Chaz:
  Punk is as American as baseball and apple pie.  
 
 'Nuff said.

Yeah that is right. Do a google image search for punk, you'll never see a union jack.
 
     :roll:   [/b]

[/b]

Yeah it came from here when you all broke down what the beatles and stones were doing.
 
 But punk would have not acheived a fraction of the notoriety without the pistols. And so is no longer like fat men with no talent in tight clothes or dessert.

[ggw]

"The first ongoing music scene that was assigned the "punk" label appeared in New York in 1974-1976 with a handful of bands that played regularly at the club CBGB's in New York's Bowery district, including The Ramones, Television, Blondie, Richard Hell and the Voidoids, and Talking Heads. The "punk" title was applied to these groups by early 1976, when Punk Magazine first appeared, featuring these bands alongside articles on some of the immediate role models for the new groups, such as Lou Reed, who was on the cover of the first issue of Punk, and Patti Smith, cover subject on the second issue.
 
 During this same period, punk bands were forming independently in other locations as well, such as The Saints in Brisbane, Australia, and The Stranglers and the Sex Pistols in London.
 
 An oft-cited moment in the history of punk rock is the July 4, 1976 concert by the Ramones at the Roundhouse in London (the Stranglers were also on the bill). Many of the future leaders of the UK punk rock scene were inspired by the show, and almost immediately after that show, UK punk rock was in full swing, defined by the radical fashions and rowdy behavior of the punk fans as much as by the bands, who included the Sex Pistols, The Damned (the first band to market an album as "punk"), The Clash, The Slits, and Siouxsie and the Banshees. Early punk bands were operating within small "scenes" that included other bands and solo performers as well as enthusiastic impresarios who operated small nightclubs that provided a showcase and meeting place for the emerging musicians (the 100 Club in London, CBGB in New York, and The Masque in Hollywood are among the best known early punk clubs). The UK punks quickly exceeded the boundaries of their local scenes to produce major hit records in the UK, and to grab sensationalistic headlines worldwide. The UK scene has largely come to define "punk rock" in the popular imagination."

So says wikipedia and so shall it be.

[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

Originally posted by general grievous:
   

Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
  The answer is simple: Jack White.          

I think you mean Jack Black [/b]

Look, as long as it's NOT Loretta Lynn, I can live with it.

[chaz]

Originally posted by canker-blossom:
   

Originally posted by Fine French Chaz:
  but that doesn't change where it came from.
   

Originally posted by canker-blossom:
     

Originally posted by Fine French Chaz:
  Punk is as American as baseball and apple pie.  
 
 'Nuff said.

Yeah that is right. Do a google image search for punk, you'll never see a union jack.
 
      :roll:    [/b]

[/b]

Yeah it came from here when you all broke down what the beatles and stones were doing.
 
 But punk would have not acheived a fraction of the notoriety without the pistols. And so is no longer like fat men with no talent in tight clothes or dessert. [/b]

OK if you wanna take this down that super lame road then Little Richard, Jerry Lee, Buddy Holly started punk rock.
 
 No one would argue that pistols brought notoriety to punk rock, but any sane person that knows shit about music knows that punk rock originated in the states, and not the UK.

[bearman🐻]

Iggy may be the godfather of punk, but if it weren't for the Ramones, it would have never have influenced England the way it did.
 
 And the MC5 and the Velvet Underground have NOTHING to do with punk. Sorry, but the MC5 have more in common with CCR than they do with the Ramones. They just weren't really breaking THAT much new ground. They were on the right track, but they just didn't quite do it. Now the Stooges on the other hand are a different story.

[markie]

Originally posted by Fine French Chaz:
  punk rock originated in the states, and not the UK.

Yes. I know. It originated in the US of A. But it is no longer apple pie and baseball. As GGW's wikipedia article summarises in its last sentence.

[chaz]

Originally posted by canker-blossom:
   

Originally posted by Fine French Chaz:
  punk rock originated in the states, and not the UK.

Yes. I know. It originated in the US of A. But it is no longer apple pie and baseball. As GGW's wikipedia article summarises in its last sentence. [/b]

The key word in that last sentance being "imagination".

[kosmo vinyl]

well you cant count out how infleuntial Jonathan Richman and Modern Lovers  and T. Rex were on punk...
 
 I've mentioned this record before but it bears repeating in this thread.  Glitterbest collects 20 Pre Punk and Glam songs released by obscure bands between 1971 to 1976.  It's an interesting collection in that you can hear the roots of the sound that became "punk".  And for Canker it has a early version of The Only Ones on it.
 
  Glitterbest @ Allmusic

[markie]

Originally posted by bearman:
  Iggy may be the godfather of punk, but if it weren't for the Ramones, it would have never have influenced England the way it did.
 
 And the MC5 and the Velvet Underground have NOTHING to do with punk. Sorry, but the MC5 have more in common with CCR than they do with the Ramones. They just weren't really breaking THAT much new ground. They were on the right track, but they just didn't quite do it. Now the Stooges on the other hand are a different story.

Yeah, but If it were not for Malcolm Mclaren the pistols and the clash would not have gone to that roundhouse gig.
 
 But the stories of iggy pop and the MC5 are intertwined. The velvet underground and nico sounds an awful lot like the beginnings of punk to me. It influenced plenty of people in its own right.
 
 The clash oft cited MC5.

[ratioci nation]

who the fuck cares, everybody knows america rules

[markie]

Originally posted by Fine French Chaz:
   "imagination".

You need a dictionary to understand English.
 
 i·mag·i·na·tion     P   Pronunciation Key  (-mj-nshn)
 n.
 The formation of a mental image of something that is neither perceived as real nor present to the senses.
 The mental image so formed.
 The ability or tendency to form such images.
 The ability to confront and deal with reality by using the creative power of the mind; resourcefulness: handled the problems with great imagination.
 A traditional or widely held belief or opinion.
 Archaic.
 An unrealistic idea or notion; a fancy.
 A plan or scheme.