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Re: Clash vs. Ramones vs. Sex Pistols
« Reply #60 on: July 08, 2005, 03:08:00 pm »
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  [Don't you think if Marc Bolan had lived he would have kept in one form or another the Glam flame going?  
 
 
I think I remember a quote from Marc and to paraphrase, The beatles ruined us because we could no longer get away with all our songs sounding the same.....
 
 I think glam, love it as I do, might be somewhat of a dead end. Just like reggae (was for the clash).

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Re: Clash vs. Ramones vs. Sex Pistols
« Reply #61 on: July 08, 2005, 03:10:00 pm »
July 4th, 1976 - Sunday
 The Ramones make their UK debut in a triple bill with the Stranglers and the Flaming Groovies at the London Roundhouse.They're in the second slot, behind the Groovies. They had originally been booked for a European tour but their label on the continent backed out at the last minute, almost cancelling even the UK dates. The Flaming Groovies are now on the road to support their last album "Shake Some Action." The Ramones will have their first UK single out later this week, with tracks from their debut album, Tomorrow night the band headline their own concert at Dingwalls. The two concerts were vastly different. The first, in front of 2,000 people was their largest concert ever, the other is a crammed, tiny club, just like back home. Their concert tonight at the Roundhouse is reviewed for the NME by Max Bell. "Closer to a comedy routine than a band... the guys on the mixer hated them and they hate the guys on the mixer back. I laughed solidly for half an hour.... The appeal is purely negative, based on their not being able to play a shit of give a shit .... imbecilic adolescent ditties but still oodles more exciting than the majority of bands...."
 
 Ramones/Stranglers/ Flaming Groovies : London, The Roundhouse
 
 
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Re: Clash vs. Ramones vs. Sex Pistols
« Reply #62 on: July 08, 2005, 03:10:00 pm »
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  True about the Pistols because he managed them, but not the Clash.
And Bernie Rhodes, the Clash manger was going over to the pistols house all the time to find out what they were doing so he could get his band to copy them.

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Re: Clash vs. Ramones vs. Sex Pistols
« Reply #63 on: July 08, 2005, 03:13:00 pm »
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
  July 4th, 1976 - Sunday
 The Ramones make their UK debut in a triple bill....   .....oodles more exciting than the majority of bands...."
 
 Ramones/Stranglers/ Flaming Groovies : London, The Roundhouse
 
 
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Thankyou.
 
 So I dont think they would have sold out the roundhouse by themselves. second on the bill and no UK single yet.

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Re: Clash vs. Ramones vs. Sex Pistols
« Reply #64 on: July 08, 2005, 03:17:00 pm »
Ultimately everyone copied the Ramones and not the Flaming Groovies. Check out the Clash's "White Riot" single.

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« Reply #65 on: July 08, 2005, 03:19:00 pm »
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  Ultimately everyone copied the Ramones and not the Flaming Groovies. Check out the Clash's "White Riot" single.
Yeah the flaming groovies only ever played Durbin after that.  :roll:

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Re: Clash vs. Ramones vs. Sex Pistols
« Reply #66 on: July 08, 2005, 03:20:00 pm »
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
  [Don't you think if Marc Bolan had lived he would have kept in one form or another the Glam flame going?  
 
 
I think I remember a quote from Marc and to paraphrase, The beatles ruined us because we could no longer get away with all our songs sounding the same.....
 
 I think glam, love it as I do, might be somewhat of a dead end. Just like reggae (was for the clash). [/b]
No glam was definitely dead prior to the arrival of punk.  It's attitude and simple song structure was adopted by the prepunkers onward.  When Bolan died in the spring of 77 he was already moving in a different direction.  He would have most likely fed off the punk vibe more than so than Bowie did.
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Re: Clash vs. Ramones vs. Sex Pistols
« Reply #67 on: July 08, 2005, 03:24:00 pm »
From Allmusic....
 
 One of America's greatest, most influential, and legendary cult bands, the Flamin' Groovies came out of the San Francisco area in 1965 playing greasy, bluesy, rock & roll dashed with a liberal sprinkling of British Invasion panache, in an era soon to be dominated by hippie culture and hyperextended raga-rock freakouts. Caught in a double bind of playing the wrong kind of music at the wrong time (as well as not looking the part), the Groovies were almost completely forgotten as the Fillmore/Avalon Ballroom scenes, dominated by the Dead, the Jefferson Airplane, et al., rendered them anachronistic. The plain truth, however, was that despite not being in tune with the zeitgeist, the Groovies made great music, and managed to sustain a career that lasted for over two decades.
 
 I'm sure the same could be said for the Stranglers...
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Re: Clash vs. Ramones vs. Sex Pistols
« Reply #68 on: July 08, 2005, 03:29:00 pm »
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Yeah the flaming groovies only ever played Durbin after that.
Didn't the Flaming Groovies break up in 1979? It's not like many folks even know who they are. They wrote some good songs but were just trying to copy the Beatles and Badfinger.

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« Reply #69 on: July 08, 2005, 03:36:00 pm »
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Yeah the flaming groovies only ever played Durbin after that.
Didn't the Flaming Groovies break up in 1979? It's not like many folks even know who they are. They wrote some good songs but were just trying to copy the Beatles and Badfinger. [/b]
Shake Some Action is one of the 100 greatest songs ever written.

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« Reply #70 on: July 08, 2005, 03:40:00 pm »
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  Shake Some Action[/i] is one of the 100 greatest songs ever written.
They concur:
 
 http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/S680.htm

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« Reply #71 on: July 08, 2005, 04:24:00 pm »
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  OK if you wanna take this down that super lame road then Little Richard, Jerry Lee, Buddy Holly started punk rock.
 
if you listen to nuggets and nuggets 2, along with a bunch of other 60s garage comps, you can see that people were making punk music long before the mid 70s ... it just wasn't labeled as such and promoted as a scene
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« Reply #72 on: July 08, 2005, 04:34:00 pm »
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Shake Some Action is one of the 100 greatest songs ever written. [/QB][/QUOTE]
 
 You bet it is!

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Re: Clash vs. Ramones vs. Sex Pistols
« Reply #73 on: July 11, 2005, 08:22:00 am »
The Flaming Groovies are like Love, Velvet Underground, and Television.  Embraced by music critics, record store clerks and musicians.  Over looked by the rest but still able to stand the test of time.  
 
 While all these bands were highly influential for future punk bands, etc, ultimately The Ramones were the catalyst that sparked elements that were already in place to become punk.  It's not like Joe Strummer went out and picked up a guitar after that show.  He was already working with the 101ers.  Same with Steve Jones and Paul Cook who were listening to the NY Dolls, Faces, Stooges.
 
 The early Punk scene was like the Mod and Glam movements, groups formed and disbanded quickly. The shelf life of most bands of was intended to be six months to a year.  Take a look at those family trees of the early punk bands and who played with who at one point or another.  It was about getting that all important first single out, hopefully followed by the second and possibly a UK tour. Some of those singles have stood the test of time, many other not so much.
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Re: Clash vs. Ramones vs. Sex Pistols
« Reply #74 on: July 11, 2005, 09:07:00 am »
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Originally posted by Fine French Chaz:
  OK if you wanna take this down that super lame road then Little Richard, Jerry Lee, Buddy Holly started punk rock.
 
if you listen to nuggets and nuggets 2, along with a bunch of other 60s garage comps, you can see that people were making punk music long before the mid 70s ... it just wasn't labeled as such and promoted as a scene [/b]
Wow...is this actually true?