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[sueandnotu]

Originally posted by mjnova:
 
 My point is that sports are so tied into the fabric of schools now that a sports scandal has a far bigger impact, than say recuiting a nobel loriet (however you spell it) professor.  I'm was just saying that things are really out of whack.  Which is pretty obvious. [/QB]

Yeah, yeah, and Laci Peterson is bigger news than a nucler North Korea.  That's just our American attention spans at work.

[Mongo]

Ha, and to think that U Conn just spent $90 million on their football facilities to get them up to speed for the Big East only to find out it's not as sweet a deal as they thought.

[mankie]

Originally posted by Jaguär:
 

 You'll get into the college but, if what I've heard is true, you won't get much attention in their emergency room.
 
 [/b]

This is true!
 
 Actually I think this law they passed to give the blacks preference is more disparaging to themselves than anyone. When they graduate and go to get a job, the company are bound to think. "Huh, got into MI because they were black, not good eh" and I'd rather be accepted because I was qualified, not a certain color.
 
 And isn't this a case of two wrongs making a right?
 
 And does this law apply to all minorities?
 Hispanics
 Asians
 Pacific Americans
 Gays
 Lesbians
 Albinos
 Cross-dressers
 Native Indians
 Scottish
 Those people that have both a hoo-hoo and willie.
 Left handed
 
 
 Am I missing any group?

[vansmack]

Originally posted by mjnova:
  My point is that sports are so tied into the fabric of schools now that a sports scandal has a far bigger impact, than say recuiting a nobel loriet (however you spell it) professor.  I'm was just saying that things are really out of whack.  Which is pretty obvious.

It's a question of culture.  If you're a pop culture person or spend most of your time watching network television you'd think that.  NPR actually reports on universities landing top Nobel Laureates all the time.  You might also be surprised to learn that despite these multi-million dollar TV deals and sports successes, the richest schools in America are still Harvard and Yale.  Only Stanford is in the top five and has full D-1 athletics.
 
 And still, the majority of American students still pick their schools based on academic reputation, not athletic reputation.

[mankie]

Originally posted by vansmack:
 

 And still, the majority of American students still pick their schools based on academic reputation, not athletic reputation.
 
 [/b]

Who you kidding smackie? Girls pick the school that has the "hottest guys" and boys pick the schools that has the most sluts, or rather NJ girls!

[mjnova]

Originally posted by vansmack:
   

Originally posted by mjnova:
  My point is that sports are so tied into the fabric of schools now that a sports scandal has a far bigger impact, than say recuiting a nobel loriet (however you spell it) professor.  I'm was just saying that things are really out of whack.  Which is pretty obvious.

It's a question of culture.  If you're a pop culture person or spend most of your time watching network television you'd think that.  NPR actually reports on universities landing top Nobel Laureates all the time.  You might also be surprised to learn that despite these multi-million dollar TV deals and sports successes, the richest schools in America are still Harvard and Yale.  Only Stanford is in the top five and has full D-1 athletics.
 
 And still, the majority of American students still pick their schools based on academic reputation, not athletic reputation. [/b]

Very true.  But a lot of money donated is based on sports.  Rich alumni can with enough money, have say in who gets choosen as a coach etc.
 
 Students only give money for 4 years, alumni though, that's where the money is.

[Jaguär]

Originally posted by vansmack:
 

Originally posted by mjnova:
 [qb] And still, the majority of American students still pick their schools based on academic reputation, not athletic reputation. [/b]

Those who have money do. Sadly, most of those I've known outside of particular colleges selected them moreso do to cost and sometimes location with reputation taking, at best, 3rd place. I would exclude the DC area though because it is very different from most of America.

[vansmack]

Originally posted by Jaguär:
  Those who have money do. Sadly, most of those I've known outside of particular colleges selected them moreso do to cost and sometimes location with reputation taking, at best, 3rd place. I would exclude the DC area though because it is very different from most of America.

Of course, there are many other factors, but all else being equal, most students would pick academic reputation over sports reputation - that's all I was saying.

[sonickteam2]

I would be willing to go out on a limb and say that not ALL (or even most) of the money generated from sports, goes directly back into sports. If it did, then they would just be a pro sports team!
   Also, as for exploiting college kids and free education.  I would venture to say that a regular non athlete is getting a better education than an athlete...at least the ones with thier own jerseys for sale and are so crucial to thier teams success that thier tests are surely taken for them to insure eligibility!

[keithstg]

Originally posted by Mongo:
  Ha, and to think that U Conn just spent $90 million on their football facilities to get them up to speed for the Big East only to find out it's not as sweet a deal as they thought.

That they did, and it's due to open this fall. I believe that they are suing the ACC now.

[sueandnotu]

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  I would be willing to go out on a limb and say that not ALL (or even most) of the money generated from sports, goes directly back into sports. If it did, then they would just be a pro sports team!

Well, I can only speak for my school, but there was a big to-do from the students about sports and money.  We have a multi-gazillion dollar stadium and sports is big business, and students were complaining about the money going into the athletic program.  Turned out, according to school officials, that sports funds and student funds are kept separately.  Stadium renovation and all those things are funded completely by revenue earned from ticket/merch sales (or money earmarked from alums), and that money does not mix with the rest of the university funds.  So tuition and sports money are kept essentially separate.  At least at one school.

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by SueAndNotU:
   

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  I would be willing to go out on a limb and say that not ALL (or even most) of the money generated from sports, goes directly back into sports. If it did, then they would just be a pro sports team!

Well, I can only speak for my school, but there was a big to-do from the students about sports and money.  We have a multi-gazillion dollar stadium and sports is big business, and students were complaining about the money going into the athletic program.  Turned out, according to school officials, that sports funds and student funds are kept separately.  Stadium renovation and all those things are funded completely by revenue earned from ticket/merch sales (or money earmarked from alums), and that money does not mix with the rest of the university funds.  So tuition and sports money are kept essentially separate.  At least at one school. [/b]

so much for giving the world the benefit of the doubt, again.

[Jaguär]

Originally posted by SueAndNotU:
   

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  I would be willing to go out on a limb and say that not ALL (or even most) of the money generated from sports, goes directly back into sports. If it did, then they would just be a pro sports team!

Well, I can only speak for my school, but there was a big to-do from the students about sports and money.  We have a multi-gazillion dollar stadium and sports is big business, and students were complaining about the money going into the athletic program.  Turned out, according to school officials, that sports funds and student funds are kept separately.  Stadium renovation and all those things are funded completely by revenue earned from ticket/merch sales (or money earmarked from alums), and that money does not mix with the rest of the university funds.  So tuition and sports money are kept essentially separate.  At least at one school. [/b]

Hopefully in this case, it's all on the level. Very possibly is. However, in the school system that I use to work for, the books were cooked! Those of us who had been there awhile learned about how very often that funds that were earmarked for Special Education were often syphoned for other uses. I don't know how they did it but I do know for a fact that they have their dirty little ways of moving funds around while making it appear totally different on the books. In case you question this, some principals have even told us that that is what they were doing. Of course, they tried to justify it with this or that. They have lots of other little scams going on too. In the end, it was all screwed up.