Let's see what has been destroyed by greed in recent ti

[mjnova]

Um, television, radio, and now college sports!!!!  wooo!  thanks Maryland, you're really setting a good example for your students.  The ACC should be really super in a few years.  I'll be glad to be gone by then.

[mankie]

Well if they ruin college sports, colleges may go back to being places were people go to learn stuff.

[sonickteam2]

Did i miss something? what happened in college sports?

[mjnova]

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  Did i miss something? what happened in college sports?

acc wanted to expand, and they wanted miami who's in the big east.  miami wanted to take boston college and syracuse with them.  virgina wanted to bring in virigina tech instead, for obvious reasons.  And Va Tech and some other Big East teams sued the ACC.  Then Va Tech got invited to the expansion.
 
 So it went from an expansion of 1 to 3 to 4, and now it's down to just Miami and Virigina Tech.  Which make the expansion esentially worthelss becuase the ACC would need 12 teams to have a Conference Championship game in football, which is apperently a big money event.  Bascially, the ACC looks bad, Miami looks greedy, and Virgina Tech just come off looking like the biggest bunch of sore loser little kids ever.
 
 It's highly probably that the Big East will continue the cycle by cannibalizing another league.

[mankie]

All kidding aside, can you explain to me why it's a big deal to go from the Big East to the ACC or whatever it is they're trying to do....they still play the sport and all try to get into the same bowl games or whatever they call them?...don't they?

[thirsty moore]

Maybe it's due to scouts.  I don't know, I don't really follow sports.

[sonickteam2]

OK, thats what i thought you meant, but not sure why Maryland is involved, i thought they were being quiet about the whole thing. Basically, from a sports standpoint, if SYU, Miami and Va Tech were in the ACC, then so much for teams like Clemson and Virginia and NC State EVER winning a football title, ever again.  Also, in basketball, as if its not bad enough that the 2 aforementioned teams have to play Duke and Wake Forest and Maryland, now they have to play Miami and the national champs!? I am sure Duke doesnt want to play Syracuse twice a year either.  
    I dont see Va Tech looking bad in this thing, but the ACC does, and so does Virginia, definitely.  Sometimes I think they should make college sports like the pros,  East and West and sort it out from there, instead of 20 conferences i cant keep track of.  
    So did they scrap the whole thing yet?

[Jaguär]

Originally posted by mankie:
  Well if they ruin college sports, colleges may go back to being places were people go to learn stuff.

Sorry Mankie but I think it will have the opposite effect.
 
 Don't understand it myself as I hate most sports, especially college sports.

[mankie]

Wouldn't they just improve the team to try to win the title if they were in a better league? I thought it was all politics anyway for these bowl games seeing as it's by invitation that they play in them.
 Anyway, I don't care enough about it to make a big deal but was just trying to understand why some people are getting their knickers in a twist over it.

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by mankie:
  Wouldn't they just improve the team to try to win the title if they were in a better league? I thought it was all politics anyway for these bowl games seeing as it's by invitation that they play in them.
 Anyway, I don't care enough about it to make a big deal but was just trying to understand why some people are getting their knickers in a twist over it.

Basically, it comes down to this.  If you are a high school football player, and two schools want you, Virginia and Virginia Tech...well, you arent getting paid, but VT is a much more highly revered school as far as football goes, the NFL likes that, and more scouts and TV and fans and publicity goes to VT (some of that will come to other ACC teams if VT plays them though).  
   Plus, VT has a better chance at winning the National title in the next 4 years , and we ALL know, that even though atheletes dont get paid, they get a LOT of shit....thats just like getting paid.
   So, therefore, VT and Miami and Florida State have a better chance at scoring to good new recruits.  Like Duke in basketball, who wouldnt want to play for Duke?  so they get whoever they want.  
   and yes, its all politics , but name one thing thats not  

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by mankie:
  Well if they ruin college sports, colleges may go back to being places were people go to learn stuff.

Colleges have been playing sports for like 100 years!  You want them to go back to the good ole 1880s?

[vansmack]

Originally posted by mankie:
  Wouldn't they just improve the team to try to win the title if they were in a better league? I thought it was all politics anyway for these bowl games seeing as it's by invitation that they play in them.
 Anyway, I don't care enough about it to make a big deal but was just trying to understand why some people are getting their knickers in a twist over it.

First, it has everything to do with making the ACC more credible as a football conference (an aside would have been letting SU in to distract the obvious football benefit, but that fell by the wayside). Then, it's all about money, TV deals and as was mentioned before, a Major Conference Championship game before the BCS bowl game.  The Major Conference Championship game provides exposure for the rest of the teams and could increase potential bowl teams and thus increase dollars for the conference.  Look at it this way, if your top 3 teams are Miami, Fl St. and V-Tech, wouldn't your bowl worthiness as a conference increase as opposed to FL St, MD and NC State?  The closer the bowl to New Years Day and the BCS days - the more money the conference gets.  Should the the ACC get two teams in the BCS - that's almost $25 million for the conference.
 
 The money then gets shared by each program and each program would then get better.  So yes, you're right to an extent and the ACC has decided that money is the way to do that.  Otherwise, the will continue to be in the shadow of the Big 12, SEC, Big 10 and PAC 10 whose football teams all make a ton of money.

[mankie]

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
 

 
 Colleges have been playing sports for like 100 years!  You want them to go back to the good ole 1880s?
 
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I was just being sarcastic....although I do believe that some colleges have their priorities all 'effd up by putting the emphasis on sports rather than learning.
 
 
 And trust good old Smackmeister to explain it to me perfectly. I was thinking it was a level of play or something, like when they promote the top three teams from the lower division and relegate the bottom three teams from the upper division. It's all about the $$$$$$ ! Who would've thought that in America!!  

[not too shabby]

Ha, the ACC just wants to be as great as the SEC, which will never happen!

[vansmack]

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  Basically, it comes down to this.  If you are a high school football player, and two schools want you, Virginia and Virginia Tech...well, you arent getting paid, but VT is a much more highly revered school as far as football goes, the NFL likes that, and more scouts and TV and fans and publicity goes to VT (some of that will come to other ACC teams if VT plays them though).  
   Plus, VT has a better chance at winning the National title in the next 4 years , and we ALL know, that even though atheletes dont get paid, they get a LOT of shit....thats just like getting paid.
   So, therefore, VT and Miami and Florida State have a better chance at scoring to good new recruits.  Like Duke in basketball, who wouldnt want to play for Duke?  so they get whoever they want.  
   and yes, its all politics , but name one thing thats not    

If you think this is for the players, you're sadly mistaken.
 
 They are secondary benfeficiaries, my friend.