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Re: WHFS is now......a salsa channel?
« Reply #210 on: January 13, 2005, 01:19:00 pm »
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Originally posted by aortaatroa:
 Do I listen to the radio that often?  Not anymore. Not for quite some time. As many of you have stated I am ususally listening to my ipod.  But you will never hear a new artist on your ipod!  I have one of the larger pods, but guess what?  Eventully I am going to get sick of playing the same dated stuff over and over again, regaurdless of how much I like it.  I will want something new and exciting.  Something that speaks to and for current and future generations....
 
 Where will I hear it???????????
You know where.  Those two little letters....
 
 There's radio that is geared toward satisfying advertisers, who want a certain number of a certain demographic for a certain price....
 
 And there's radio that is geared toward the LISTENERS, because the LISTENERS, not the advertisers, are footing the bill.
 
 Hmmm.... I wonder which kind consistently delivers fresh new music, deep deep stuff from "obscure little bands" and indie labels and "DIY artists...."  
   :roll:

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Re: WHFS is now......a salsa channel?
« Reply #211 on: January 13, 2005, 01:27:00 pm »
the point is that at some point Radio Stations were seen as cash cows and therefore become hot properties to buy and sell. with large companies and corporations swooping in and paying high prices to buy them. often by going well into debt to do so. the owners then need to recover thier investment and payoff loans etc.  so they want to maximize profits but targeting specific audiences in order to lure ad dollars.  it got even worse when the Clear Channels of the world starting buying up multiple stations and carrying alot of debt.  now they also have to satisfy the shareholders by turning a profit.
 
 so yes the current business model for FM radio is flawed and it will never change until Infinity and Clear Channel have to have a firesale, the price comes down and let radio stations fall back into the hands of owners who care more about the music, community than trying to cover their debt.
 
 <tongue firmly planted in cheek>
 don't see why we be giving creedence to XM, seeing as one of it's chief architects, Lee Abrams, was the  person that help develope the system that ultimate made radio the way it is today.
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Re: WHFS is now......a salsa channel?
« Reply #212 on: January 13, 2005, 02:57:00 pm »
on that note i will shamelessly plug radioio.com     :D

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Re: WHFS is now......a salsa channel?
« Reply #213 on: January 13, 2005, 03:12:00 pm »
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
  the point is that at some point Radio Stations were seen as cash cows and therefore become hot properties to buy and sell. with large companies and corporations swooping in and paying high prices to buy them. often by going well into debt to do so. the owners then need to recover thier investment and payoff loans etc.  so they want to maximize profits but targeting specific audiences in order to lure ad dollars.  it got even worse when the Clear Channels of the world starting buying up multiple stations and carrying alot of debt.  now they also have to satisfy the shareholders by turning a profit.
 
 so yes the current business model for FM radio is flawed and it will never change until Infinity and Clear Channel have to have a firesale, the price comes down and let radio stations fall back into the hands of owners who care more about the music, community than trying to cover their debt.
excellent point, btw, kosmo...
 
 oy vey...it's amazing how all of these hfs lovers come out of the woodwork now.  guess cinderella was spot on with "don't know what you've got until it's gone".  if i really wanted to waste some time at work today, i could probably go back through old threads and find hfs-bashing statements from some who are now boo-hooing over its demise.
 
 just to preface the following statements, i've been living in dc proper for over 3 years now and have lived in the general area (hfs listening radius) for over 15. so, i'm not a dc "native" per se and neither do i plan to stay forever.
 
 with that said, my general opinion is that this city is really lacking in independent music outlets. can you count the number of (decent) independent record stores in dc on one hand?  go ahead and use the other hand to count the number of decent live venues (as in you consistently go to shows there)...granted there's a big difference in size and population BUT you can't look at a nyc or chicago and tell me honestly that dc isn't sorely lacking. HFS DID NOT HELP THIS SITUATION PEOPLE!!!  
 
 maybe if people in dc weren't so used to being spoonfed the latest and greatest bands via a pseudo-alternative such as HFS, they would, as celeste pointed out, be forced to find music through other channels.  what happened to digging into the bins and old record stores and checking out obscure bands to find something that really knocked you out?  no need to do that with your friendly alternative HFS to show you what's really cool and hip!  
 
 screw HFS for making people think muse was really cool just because they were playing them and promoting their 9:30 gig.  muse was f-ing cool long before that and some of don't need the stupid corporate whores to tell us so.
 
 finally, you think interpol and such won't come to dc anymore simply because hfs is gone?  i may be deluded but i think that's crazy talk.  the dc/balt area is a major market whether or not there's a station here to play it.  you think they're just going to hit nyc, phila and skip over us to head to atlanta? not gonna happen.

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Re: WHFS is now......a salsa channel?
« Reply #214 on: January 13, 2005, 03:18:00 pm »
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  finally, you think interpol and such won't come to dc anymore simply because hfs is gone?  i may be deluded but i think that's crazy talk.  the dc/balt area is a major market whether or not there's a station here to play it.  you think they're just going to hit nyc, phila and skip over us to head to atlanta? not gonna happen.
Well...from their website
 
 
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 A New York City show has just been announced to conclude the first leg of US tour dates on March 1 at Radio City Music Hall. Tickets will be on sale starting 1/22. The online presale will begin at noon local time on 1/20. You must be registered to participate in the presale.
 

Re: WHFS is now......a salsa channel?
« Reply #215 on: January 13, 2005, 03:21:00 pm »
Population of NYC: 8,000,000
 Population of Chicago: 2,900,000
 Population of DC: 560,000
 
 If you're going to compare music scenes, pick cities that are comparable in size to DC.
 
 
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 with that said, my general opinion is that this city is really lacking in independent music outlets. can you count the number of (decent) independent record stores in dc on one hand?  go ahead and use the other hand to count the number of decent live venues (as in you consistently go to shows there)...granted there's a big difference in size and population BUT you can't look at a nyc or chicago and tell me honestly that dc isn't sorely lacking. HFS DID NOT HELP THIS SITUATION PEOPLE!!!  
 
 

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Re: WHFS is now......a salsa channel?
« Reply #216 on: January 13, 2005, 03:21:00 pm »
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
  the point is that at some point Radio Stations were seen as cash cows and therefore become hot properties to buy and sell. with large companies and corporations swooping in and paying high prices to buy them. often by going well into debt to do so. the owners then need to recover thier investment and payoff loans etc.  so they want to maximize profits but targeting specific audiences in order to lure ad dollars.  it got even worse when the Clear Channels of the world starting buying up multiple stations and carrying alot of debt.  now they also have to satisfy the shareholders by turning a profit.
 
 so yes the current business model for FM radio is flawed and it will never change until Infinity and Clear Channel have to have a firesale, the price comes down and let radio stations fall back into the hands of owners who care more about the music, community than trying to cover their debt.
 
 <tongue firmly planted in cheek>
 don't see why we be giving creedence to XM, seeing as one of it's chief architects, Lee Abrams, was the  person that help develope the system that ultimate made radio the way it is today.
I totally agree

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Re: WHFS is now......a salsa channel?
« Reply #217 on: January 13, 2005, 03:27:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Population of NYC: 8,000,000
 Population of Chicago: 2,900,000
 Population of DC: 560,000
 
 If you're going to compare music scenes, pick cities that are comparable in size to DC.
 
   
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Originally posted by joz:
 
 with that said, my general opinion is that this city is really lacking in independent music outlets. can you count the number of (decent) independent record stores in dc on one hand?  go ahead and use the other hand to count the number of decent live venues (as in you consistently go to shows there)...granted there's a big difference in size and population BUT you can't look at a nyc or chicago and tell me honestly that dc isn't sorely lacking. HFS DID NOT HELP THIS SITUATION PEOPLE!!!  
 
 
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hence my qualifier "GRANTED THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE IN SIZE". yes the pop of the district itself is a measly 500K but we're the nation's capital for christ's sake and that should count for something...at least another mil or so.  we've got political pull GDit.  then throw in the metro area and baltimore.

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Re: WHFS is now......a salsa channel?
« Reply #218 on: January 13, 2005, 03:28:00 pm »
With or without HFS, some bands do for some reason seem to skip DC and still hit Philly, NYC, Boston, etc with some sort of regularity.  Maybe because the crowds here suck?  I don't know.

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« Reply #220 on: January 13, 2005, 03:34:00 pm »
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  With or without HFS, some bands do for some reason seem to skip DC and still hit Philly, NYC, Boston, etc with some sort of regularity.  Maybe because the crowds here suck?  I don't know.
good one andy...i meant to add that to my dc gripe list.  people here are just so frickin apathetic. it comes through at the live shows and i'm sure bands must pick up on it.  i've seen crowds go batty for a band elsewhere and when i see the same band play dc and play and equally good show and the dc crowd looks like they came in from the convalescent home down the street (not age-wise, but energy).  maybe i'll take a defribrilator to the next show.

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Re: WHFS is now......a salsa channel?
« Reply #221 on: January 13, 2005, 03:36:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Population of NYC: 8,000,000
 Population of Chicago: 2,900,000
 Population of DC: 560,000
 
 If you're going to compare music scenes, pick cities that are comparable in size to DC.
 
yeah, that sucks Rhett, come on
 
 
 if you are looking at population in city limits
 
 Baltimore 628,000
 Boston    581,616

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Re: WHFS is now......a salsa channel?
« Reply #222 on: January 13, 2005, 03:41:00 pm »
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Originally posted by aortaatroa:
  That is partially true, but music should not be dictated by business and advertising...
no, but radio stations, unless college or public, kind of need to be, don't they...because businesses is what they are... [/b]
To a degree, but when you are so careful and selective about what you play you end up shooting youself in the foot. ie.  hfs turned el sol.  great music is about taking chances and breaking molds and right now radio stations and record companies are doing the opposite.

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« Reply #223 on: January 13, 2005, 04:06:00 pm »
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  From Hfstival.com
 
 Fox News reported that there is a protest being planned for Saturday at the Asylum studio in DC at 819 7th Street @ 11am - I have no further information on this.
 
 They also created a petition
   http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?991hfs  
Is there a petition to keep it a Salsa station? I'll sign that one.
 
 Any mention of class action lawsuit, thats how Americans deal with most disappointment these days. [/b]
Tell that to the person who created this ad!
 http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/eve/55476278.html

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Re: WHFS is now......a salsa channel?
« Reply #224 on: January 13, 2005, 05:26:00 pm »
i wonder if Infinity underestimated the loyality of their diminished HFS audience and El Zol will go the way of New Coke.  The question is which Classic HFS do they bring back.  I'd suggest one which represents The Good, The Band and The Ugly of it's history.  Would probably never work as what teenager is going to stand for music that "old" people listen to.
T.Rex