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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: K8teebug on October 15, 2010, 10:42:54 am
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Hope that rumor about Mavis Staples is true.
Who else is going?
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I'm going, but its now called...the Rally to Restore Sanity /and or/ Fear.
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i have family-in-law driving in from NC and PA for this... yeah, i'm there.
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Totally going to be there. Is anyone wearing their Halloween costumes? Colbert has encouraged dressing up as things that he has 'taught' us to fear.
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I am wearing mine. My girlfriends and I are going as anarchy cheerleaders from the smells like teen spirit video.
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I am going to be a panda bear.
Keep an eye out for me.
Is it wrong if I get drunk before/during the rally?
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My girlfriends and I are going as anarchy cheerleaders from the smells like teen spirit video.
i.e. "We're going as slutty cheerleaders."
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relaxer, stop hatin'.
although you won't look nearly as good, you can go as a slutty cheerleader too. happy now?
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My girlfriends and I are going as anarchy cheerleaders from the smells like teen spirit video.
i.e. "We're going as slutty cheerleaders."
Let me translate this:
"You won't pay attention to me ever, so I'm going to be mean because I'm 7"
Geez, it's Halloween. If I could have chicks stare at me all night because of a costume I would, you would'nt?
Cmon.
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Im not a big fan of either person, but my girlfriend is and has already planned for us to go. It should be fun. Im not sure that many people would get our SG-1 costumes though.
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I think it's silly and that people's energy could be better spent mobilizing voters for the elections three days later. And they damn well better not trash the city the day before the marathon.
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somebody should throw a brick . . . and see if they get beaten to death.
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I just thought it would be fun and sort of fit the rally. If a tank top and a skirt constitues something slutty, sorry. It's not like I'm going as slutty rainbow brite.
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I just thought it would be fun and sort of fit the rally. If a tank top and a skirt constitues something slutty, sorry. It's not like I'm going as slutty rainbow brite.
(http://www.halloweenpartystore.com/Images/Products/Adult-Rainbow-Brite-Costume.jpg)
me . . . oww.
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I hate that costume.
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somebody should throw a brick . . . and see if they get beaten to death.
Classic
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Your Pal Pete performs the proposed anthem "Agree to Disagree" for the Rally to Restore Sanity and the Rally to Keep Fear Alive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPH6RWIbwds
We are having a sign making party this weekend....
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I think it's silly and that people's energy could be better spent mobilizing voters for the elections three days later. And they damn well better not trash the city the day before the marathon.
Who gives a shit? This has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with comedians cracking jokes and everyone having a good time. Their job isn't to mobilize voters and get politicians elected. It's to help everyone have a funny time. FOR FREE. ON THE MALL.
Which rock did you just climb out from under?
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Two for two... TMUL in full effect.
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^ He's like our own Archie Bunker. :D
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You go girl! Your brusqueness is obviously overcompensation for your liking of wussy has-been music. Bless your heart.
What rock did I climb out from under? Four words. I DON'T HAVE CABLE. Though I do have a life. One with family, and real hobbies and interests. I know there are a number of 30 and 40somethings around DC who lack those things, so I can totally see them putting down the New Yorker for a few hours on a nice Saturday afternoon or begging for a Saturday off from the firm and going down to the mall to be entertained by a couple of lame tv comedians.
But what I don't quite understand are the people driving hundreds of miles and paying hundreds of dollars in hotel bills (I know at least ten people doing this.) to simply be "entertained" by comedians they watch on television on a regular basis.
Thanks for straigtening me out. These out of towners aren't misguided citizens. They're fools.
I think it's silly and that people's energy could be better spent mobilizing voters for the elections three days later. And they damn well better not trash the city the day before the marathon.
Who gives a shit? This has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with comedians cracking jokes and everyone having a good time. Their job isn't to mobilize voters and get politicians elected. It's to help everyone have a funny time. FOR FREE. ON THE MALL.
Which rock did you just climb out from under?
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But what I don't quite understand are the people driving hundreds of miles and paying hundreds of dollars in hotel bills (I know at least ten people doing this.) to simply be "entertained" by comedians they watch on television on a regular basis.
Thanks for straigtening me out. These out of towners aren't misguided citizens. They're fools.
I think you're missing the point. These folks coming in from wherever (and mind you I think this is basically bullshit as well) believe that they're going to witness some Cultural Event. And there is something political about it for a lot of people -- they think if enough people do go to this thing, it'll somehow offset all the Tea Party shit in the media.
Far as I'm concerned, since I can just walk down there and pay a total of 0 dollars, it's an excuse for my buddies and I to shoot the shit, do some prime people watching/ridicule, maybe see a little music (you've gotta admit, the rumors are intriguing -- and that's something you can obviously understand), and if it turns out to have any cultural or political significance, whatever that means, that's just gravy.
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You make some good points. After reading your last paragraph, I can see the appeal for locals. Just not what I'd spend an October day doing, especially since I'm running the marathon Sunday and want some quality time at home on Saturday. Even if i weren't running the marathon, I think I'd opt for hiking, camping, raking leaves, or some kid activity.
I still don't grasp the blind faith shown by out of towners. America must be pretty damn dull and many liberals must have way too musch disposable income.
But what I don't quite understand are the people driving hundreds of miles and paying hundreds of dollars in hotel bills (I know at least ten people doing this.) to simply be "entertained" by comedians they watch on television on a regular basis.
Thanks for straigtening me out. These out of towners aren't misguided citizens. They're fools.
I think you're missing the point. These folks coming in from wherever (and mind you I think this is basically bullshit as well) believe that they're going to witness some Cultural Event. And there is something political about it for a lot of people -- they think if enough people do go to this thing, it'll somehow offset all the Tea Party shit in the media.
Far as I'm concerned, since I can just walk down there and pay a total of 0 dollars, it's an excuse for my buddies and I to shoot the shit, do some prime people watching/ridicule, maybe see a little music (you've gotta admit, the rumors are intriguing -- and that's something you can obviously understand), and if it turns out to have any cultural or political significance, whatever that means, that's just gravy.
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i like how people who run marathons . . . are making fun of others doing "useless things."
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Thanks the marathoners for keeping your group insurances costs down when you're shelling out $$ for all of your medical expenses that you're going to incur once your lifetime of unhealthiness catches up with you. ;)
i like how people who run marathons . . . are making fun of others doing "useless things."
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Thanks the marathoners for keeping your group insurances costs down when you're shelling out $$ for all of your medical expenses that you're going to incur once your lifetime of unhealthiness catches up with you. ;)
right, and you can thank the non-marathoners for subsidizing the knee replacements, new hip joints, and endless physio y'all need because of your chosen pursuit...
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I think it's a little disingenuous to pretend there is nothing political about this rally, when it's being held 3 days before Election Day, when it's being held on the Washington Mall, home of political rallies, when the audience of the Daily Show and Colbert is overwhelmingly Democrat-leaning, when Ariana Huffington is busing people in, and when the whole thing appears to have been conceived as a response to Glenn Beck's rally in August (and Beck also claimed his rally was non political, btw).
Even if one believes it's non-political, I think it's reasonable to assume that 99 percent of the people attending will be unhappy if Republicans gain control of Congress. And despite being a Stewart/Colbert fan, that's where the whole thing kind of concerns me -- because while left-leaning hipsters will be traveling to Washington to have their ironic, comedic, self-affirming fun on the Mall, the Teabaggers will be back at the home, working completely unironically in their determined slow-witted fashion, on get-out-the-vote drives and all the rest. And guess which side is more likely to gain power next week.
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Who gives a shit? This has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with comedians cracking jokes and everyone having a good time. Their job isn't to mobilize voters and get politicians elected. It's to help everyone have a funny time. FOR FREE. ON THE MALL.
Which rock did you just climb out from under?
I think it's a little disingenuous to pretend there is nothing political about this rally, when it's being held 3 days before Election Day, when it's being held on the Washington Mall, home of political rallies, when the audience of the Daily Show and Colbert is overwhelmingly Democrat-leaning, when Ariana Huffington is busing people in, and when the whole thing appears to have been conceived as a response to Glenn Beck's rally in August (and Beck also claimed his rally was non political, btw).
Even if one believes it's non-political, I think it's reasonable to assume that 99 percent of the people attending will be unhappy if Republicans gain control of Congress. And despite being a Stewart/Colbert fan, that's where the whole thing kind of concerns me -- because while left-leaning hipsters will be traveling to Washington to have their ironic, comedic, self-affirming fun on the Mall, the Teabaggers will be back at the home, working completely unironically in their determined slow-witted fashion, on get-out-the-vote drives and all the rest. And guess which side is more likely to gain power next week.
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shouldn't you be drinking some good beer or something?
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criticizing a free event with Jon Stewart, Colbert and music?
I'm not sure I can make it due to my son's 1st birthday that weekend but I think its great.. we get enough lame events on the mall, street closures, walk to raise money for _____, etc. Nice to have something I'd actually want to be at...
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shouldn't you be drinking some good beer or something?
Walkie, you tawkin' to me? You are totally right, I should be enjoying a good beer, even though it's not yet noon. :)
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i like how people who run marathons . . . are making fun of others doing "useless things."
(http://www.potozniak.org/pics/1up.jpg)
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39857395/ns/politics-decision_2010/
so . . . what are they there for?
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Thanks the marathoners for keeping your group insurances costs down when you're shelling out $$ for all of your medical expenses that you're going to incur once your lifetime of unhealthiness catches up with you. ;)
right, and you can thank the non-marathoners for subsidizing the knee replacements, new hip joints, and endless physio y'all need because of your chosen pursuit...
and those who have suddenly made this their hobby and are not physically ready and consistent with running.
anyway, back to topic, not going (too crowded for me). but i will try and watch online assume it's there.
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http://dc.metromix.com/events/article/rally-to-restore-sanity/2268575/content
metromix.com has posted a preliminary schedule. no idea if it's legit or not but here's hoping. performers listed include the roots (40 minutes!), jeff tweedy with mavis staples, and sheryl crow.
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Jeff really needs to play Misunderstood Saturday.
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Sheryl Crow just plays these things in hopes of finding a new boyfriend.
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http://dc.metromix.com/events/article/rally-to-restore-sanity/2268575/content
metromix.com has posted a preliminary schedule. no idea if it's legit or not but here's hoping. performers listed include the roots (40 minutes!), jeff tweedy with mavis staples, and sheryl crow.
yup, they pretty must got it right. the christian science monitor (!) got the official schedule from the NPS: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Election-2010/Vox-News/2010/1027/Revealed-schedule-for-Rally-to-Restore-Sanity-and-or-Fear
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My sign for the rally
http://twitpic.com/30m6u3
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My sign for the rally
http://twitpic.com/30m6u3
hahaha :)
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Terrific!
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Eddie Izzard just twitterer he'll be at the rally. I'm guessing it will be a discussion on tea!
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Eddie Izzard just twitterer he'll be at the rally. I'm guessing it will be a discussion on tea!
Very nice! It looks like I will be out and about for this.
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Izzard is the pre-1 pm warm-up act?
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Izzard is the pre-1 pm warm-up act?
That would be my guess, but he did tweet the following so... "In my gigs - I do funny. In my politics - I do serious. The right wing started this. They got me pissed off"
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Yusef as in Cat Stevens :o :o :o Ozzy :o :o :o
RT @questlove: i can't stand call times. reheasin wit sheryl, kid rock, ozzy, yusef, ojay's & gazzillion others now #rally4sanity in DC 12-3
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kgustafson: Least surprising news ewer RT @amorrissey RT @kcivey: Reports of AT&T network problems & #rally4sanity hasn't even started yet. #feardcist 9 minutes ago reply
lol
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good . . . i hope all cell phones go down. so these motherfuckers can actually pay attention to the rally they are at, and stop tweeting every five fucking seconds.
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Metro completely packed- at rockville! Every station platform packed. Unless you are already on a platform, Good luck getting on a train.
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http://www.comedycentral.com/dcrallylive/
The Roots are awesome.
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John Legend.....yuck
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Wow, other than the Roots, pretty cringe inducing so far.
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"from the gay man who loves football to the straight man who loves Glee"...haha
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Other than Eddie Izzard, The Roots and Jon Stewart, isn't there anybody any good playing at this event? (Please don't tell me Stephan Colbert. I fucking HATE that obnoxious not funny at all ass wipe.)
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I heard a few strains of Ozzy, but couldn't get anywhere near close enough to see.
Although I'm a fan of Stewart/Colbert, I was pretty skeptical of this whole thing. But people came and made it their own, which in general was a mass repudiation of the Teabagger movement.
I'd feared that it would overwhelmingly be douchey twentysomething hipsters trying to be ironic, which is what I imagine the Comedy Central core audience to be. But it was a very diverse crowd in terms of age and walks of life.
The only person I saw who didn't get the memo was a sole 911 Truther... dude, you and your ilk are as wacked as the Teabaggers. Cut from pretty much the same cloth.
Beyond that, we've had the media telling us for so many months that the teabaggers are a rising force, it was nice to be reminded that there are real Americans, from all over the place, who do not subscribe to their toxic creed.
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I question how many people who were there only went for the entertainment vs those who subscribe to the intended politics of the event. No doubt they are not necessarily one and the same by any stretch of the imagination.
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Jag, didn't you get the memo? This wasn't a political event ;)
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Ah, come. You can't be that naive!
Typical politicians (of BOTH major parties); they say one thing and do another (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/30/democrats-recruit-volunteers-outside-stewart-colbert-rally/).
Anyone who truly believes that this isn't political is beyond brain dead and can't see the butt nakedness of their emporers.
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the idea that this wasn't political is as ridiculous as the idea that the Beck/Palin rally wasn't political (which they claimed it wasn't).
I also question the idea that people didn't attend for political reasons. I'd say the crowd was overwhelmingly liberal (except for the one 911 Truther nut). People don't travel hundreds of miles for just entertainment. Unless they're Phish heads.
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y'all did notice the smiley-wink after my last post, right?
my pix: http://picasaweb.google.com/sweetcell/RallyToRestoreSanity
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Jesus Christ what a clusterfuck. I was all ready to enjoy the thing for what it was worth. I got there not too long after 10 and couldn't see or hear anything. The large age range just created a bizarre dynamic: lots of older folks who apparently thought this was an old-fashioned rally-type rally, and a million of the expected 20-and-30-somethings who would not stop making terrible jokes. I saw very very few "signs" that were anything funnier than a novelty T-shirt.
Left not too long after things started. Yes, I love the Roots, but I saw them on the Mall earlier this year from the front of a much more chill crowd for Earth Day. Instead, took advantage of the glorious day and took a lengthy urban hike with stops for half-smokes and yogurt with my crew.
I'm mystified about why anyone would travel from Cincinnati to stand in a giant crowd for hours and maybe see a jumbotron, especially when the "cause" was so nebulous. There was a large component of Obama-shirted stock liberals, and it seemed like the general consensus was that the "insanity" we were trying to combat was not the bi-partisan fear-mongering of the media (as Stewart and Colbert intended) but just all the people we disagree with (the Right). And that seems pretty counterproductive.
At least I saw the Dragon Bus and the samurai parade which, holy shit, and plus it gave me an excuse to enjoy the city on a nice fall day.
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and here is a slideshow of mine...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/alexdc/sets/72157625150402919/show/
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I'm mystified about why anyone would travel from Cincinnati to stand in a giant crowd for hours and maybe see a jumbotron, especially when the "cause" was so nebulous. There was a large component of Obama-shirted stock liberals, and it seemed like the general consensus was that the "insanity" we were trying to combat was not the bi-partisan fear-mongering of the media (as Stewart and Colbert intended) but just all the people we disagree with (the Right). And that seems pretty counterproductive.
In case you haven't noticed, most of the crazies are on the Right. If this motivates some of the people in the crowd to vote on Tuesday, it will not have been counterproductive at all. Even if you and your "crew" didn't get to see the Roots.
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anywhere to watch a re-broadcast of the rally? i was there today, but didn't actually get to hear much of what stewart and colbert said...
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anywhere to watch a re-broadcast of the rally? i was there today, but didn't actually get to hear much of what stewart and colbert said...
There are a bunch of clips already on youtube.
I stuck around long enough to see The Roots and the introduction of Stewart and Colbert; when it became evident that they weren't going to boost the volume so that those of us even a block away from the stage could hear what was being said my friend and I split. A big thank you to everyone who suffered by taking the Metro making for almost no traffic on the 14th Street bridge and allowing me to park about 6 blocks away ;D
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In case you haven't noticed, most of the crazies are on the Right.
That's your opinion. From what I've witnessed, there are about the same amount of crazies within the extremes of BOTH sides.
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I went to the mall at 8:30 because i had to go to the breast cancer walk, and at that time i already saw a lot of people going to the rally, afterwards i met my girlfriend at the exit of the smithsonian metro around 11:30, made our way right in between of the air and space museum and the american indian museum. we stayed there for the roots and the beginning of the show, then we thought we could go even farther up but it was the wrong move...when we realized it was going to be impossible to get a better spot we went to the media tent located behind the stage, where we found these two huge mastiffs dogs and it was pure joy to play with them a little bit. having been outside the whole morning-early afternoon, i got hungry and went home to watch the end of the rally, it was fun though, i don't think there was a political (partisan) message at all, but in the attendance there were plenty of politically motivated folks and also a lot of people who went there just for the entertainment, which is fine with me. i watched c-span afterward and a couple of republican callers said they were changing their vote after watching the rally...and that's a good thing...
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(http://grza.net/GIS/Animals/Cats%20Kittens/Cat%20Protest.jpg)
i couldn't find a cat protesting the white house . . . but what's the difference.
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In case you haven't noticed, most of the crazies are on the Right.
That's your opinion. From what I've witnessed, there are about the same amount of crazies within the extremes of BOTH sides.
Jaguar's got it. And did you listen to Stewart's speech at the end? 'Cos as far as I could tell, he was saying the same thing. Your crazy = Right reasoning is an obstruction to progress, and part of the same exaggerated characterization of viewpoints that he was calling out in the media.
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clever t-shirt - check
clever and popular sign (see below) - check
a wide of ages represented around me - check
i'm feeling validated after Jon's speech
some bits works some bits fell flat, the train song bit particularly inspired, the gasp in my area when Yusef was announced was very cool, kinda wish he gotten a chance to the whole song since doesn't actually make that many appearance.
alot of the musical segments really fell flat, especially Legend's epically boring song.
The Mythbuster's bit was fun, but they clearly suffered from some volume issues.
the pairing of Cobert's theatrics with John's talking head role really didn't wrong either for some their bits
fun afternoon out, seeing clever signs and lots of normal folks hanging worth the trip down!
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In case you haven't noticed, most of the crazies are on the Right.
That's your opinion. From what I've witnessed, there are about the same amount of crazies within the extremes of BOTH sides.
Jaguar's got it. And did you listen to Stewart's speech at the end? 'Cos as far as I could tell, he was saying the same thing. Your crazy = Right reasoning is an obstruction to progress, and part of the same exaggerated characterization of viewpoints that he was calling out in the media.
Sorry, I don't base my world view on Jon Stewart's opinions, or any other televised comedian. While the right and left have equal numbers of crazies, the left's crazies are largely on the margins. No mainstream Democrat respects 911 Truthers for example. The right's crazies are currently in the center, and the Republicans are at an advanced stage of purging their party of any reasonable people.
The real obstruction to progress is the idea that both sides are equally the problem. The Republican Party has basically forfeited their right to govern. We need a two-party system, and we need people who represent differing viewpoints, but the GOP and the Teabaggers aren't it.
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Stewart/Colbert Rally less than a month in planning 215K estimated attendance
Beck Rally several months in planning 87K
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20021284-503544.html?tag=stack
Metro said 400K riders today when normally 130K and lots of people came by bus.
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The right's crazies are currently in the center, and the Republicans are at an advanced stage of purging their party of any reasonable people.
The real obstruction to progress is the idea that both sides are equally the problem. The Republican Party has basically forfeited their right to govern. We need a two-party system, and we need people who represent differing viewpoints, but the GOP and the Teabaggers aren't it.
We're basically on the same page here -- the only thing I was really objecting to was that not enough distinction is being made between the Tea Party and the GOP, which discredits what remains of the viable second party that it once was. And that only gives the Teabaggers more power. I think we can agree on that. Anyway, didn't mean to spark a debate, was just giving a report on the event.
Also: those numbers might be a sign that the Tea Party isn't quite as huge as we make it out to be.
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the numbers prove Stewart's point of having the rally... the Tea-Party movement which is a whole lot more mainstream media savvy then they'll ever admit too.... so with their numerous protests ("big" and small) which get plenty of coverage and then creates the perception they are current "voice" of American electorate. John and his writers are very smart and level-headed so the closing remarks, which served as part critic of the media and the current political system, part motivational speech to those attending. Hopefully many beyond the rally were paying attention to his smart words, but doubtful because he'll be dismissed as merely being a "liberal" comedian..
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also i saw this on twitter and it's a cool summation of the event -
"This is Comic-Con for political nerds"
edit: I also took walkie's advice and put my phone away ;)
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How come the only black people there were John Legend and the Roots? I saw more African-Americans at the Beck/Tea Party rally. Don't kid yourself about the "Rainbow" of people there yesterday. It was more upper class Whitey than a Radiohead/Wilco/Arcade Fire show.
Brian
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The right's crazies are currently in the center, and the Republicans are at an advanced stage of purging their party of any reasonable people.
The real obstruction to progress is the idea that both sides are equally the problem. The Republican Party has basically forfeited their right to govern. We need a two-party system, and we need people who represent differing viewpoints, but the GOP and the Teabaggers aren't it.
We're basically on the same page here -- the only thing I was really objecting to was that not enough distinction is being made between the Tea Party and the GOP, which discredits what remains of the viable second party that it once was. And that only gives the Teabaggers more power. I think we can agree on that. Anyway, didn't mean to spark a debate, was just giving a report on the event.
Also: those numbers might be a sign that the Tea Party isn't quite as huge as we make it out to be.
ok, we're good!
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How come the only black people there were John Legend and the Roots? I saw more African-Americans at the Beck/Tea Party rally. Don't kid yourself about the "Rainbow" of people there yesterday. It was more upper class Whitey than a Radiohead/Wilco/Arcade Fire show.
Brian
more predictable than a teapartiers commentator anywhere on the interweb...
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How come the only black people there were John Legend and the Roots? I saw more African-Americans at the Beck/Tea Party rally. Don't kid yourself about the "Rainbow" of people there yesterday. It was more upper class Whitey than a Radiohead/Wilco/Arcade Fire show.
Brian
more predictable than a teabagger commentator anywhere on the interweb...
Exactly the very same kind of comments often thrown towards the Tea Parties about how light skinned their turn outs tend to be. Maybe, just maybe, that's more reflective of how Black people tend to regard these sorts of events. Don't really know the answer.
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The real obstruction to progress is the idea that both sides are equally the problem.
Personally, I disagree with just about everything you wrote but not up for a big debate so I'll only address this one statement. In my opinion, among that of many others from both sides, this is the one that I could not be any more diametrically opposed to. A very large bulk of the politicians of both sides have proven that they don't represent the people anymore. Yes, even within your own beloved Democratic party. The very reason why so many of them are moving away from a number of their representatives that they've put in office, some even into the GOP's camp, which I do not believe will solve any of their concerns. Most of the ones that I know aren't necessarily leaving their preferred party (and that's from both ends) but are completely disgusted with the actions of what their representatives are doing, and yes, that includes some very, very hardcore dyed in the wool Democrats who are pissed off with the leadership within the Democratic party. They aren't turning Republican, or even Tea Party, but they recognize that there is too much toxic waste within that needs cleaning out. I agree that the Republican regular Joes took this step first with wanting to get away from the Neocons but give your own people some credit for recognizing a problem and wanting to put it back to what they believe it's ideals are supposed to be.
Too much corruption and ownership within both sides... YES! Equally!
Both, all too often, end up leading us into:
* the escalation and even inciting of more wars, ala the military industrial complex (Can you say Blackwater?)
* the loss of decent American jobs... or jobs period!
* more and more Banksterism robbing us of our money and controlling political decisions even against the peoples desires
* the loss of more and more of our rights and freedoms
* more and more Big Brotherism spying and tracking every factor of our lives
* preferential treatment and benefits for the elite and top governmental politicians while continuing to put the screws to the majority of American tax payers
* the total collapse of the housing industry and the complete and utter fraud of the mortgage industry
That's a limited list but each parties' leaders have moved away from representing the people and, instead, doing what their puppet masters (too often some major bank or corporation) want them to do.
As they say, if you can't see this, or are in total denial of this, than you are part of the problem.
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Let me put this simply...
1) both parties share large amounts of blame in the current mess
2) Ultimately, the Republican party is more to blame. In fact, one big way the Democrats have gone astray is in many of its politicians coming around to some of the most evil tenets of philopsophy that basically originated with the Right, particularly "trickle down economics."
The issue of which is more to blame is not trivial. Another fact of American politics is that third parties will never succeed at the national level. The system is designed that way, and it is a fantasy to imagine otherwise. After that, the only choice is to support the lesser of two evils, and work to reform/improve that party.
When you subscribe to the "both parties are the same" argument, you get people not voting, or voting for a joke candidate like Ralph Nader. And then someone like Dubya gets elected. Both the same? Would Al Gore have invaded Iraq? Would he have appointed a former Halliburton CEO as VP? I don't think so.
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i liked what colbert was wearing.
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anywhere to watch a re-broadcast of the rally? i was there today, but didn't actually get to hear much of what stewart and colbert said...
http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/rally_to_restore_sanity_and_or_fear/index.jhtml
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The Stewart rally did much bigger numbers than the Beck rally? Shocking. Maybe the fact that 90%+ residents of DC are Democrats, not to mention big Democrat majorities in adjacent Maryland counties and a a majority in adjacent Virginia counties had something to do with this. Hmmm.
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The Stewart rally did much bigger numbers than the Beck rally? Shocking. Maybe the fact that 90%+ residents of DC are Democrats, not to mention big Democrat majorities in adjacent Maryland counties and a a majority in adjacent Virginia counties had something to do with this. Hmmm.
True, but the DC population is 54% black and, as has been noted, rally attendance was overwhelmingly white. It's hard to see that alone account for the difference.
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The average out of town Jon Stuart Leibowitz fan has more disposable income than the eerage out of town Glem Beck fan?
The Stewart rally did much bigger numbers than the Beck rally? Shocking. Maybe the fact that 90%+ residents of DC are Democrats, not to mention big Democrat majorities in adjacent Maryland counties and a a majority in adjacent Virginia counties had something to do with this. Hmmm.
True, but the DC population is 54% black and, as has been noted, rally attendance was overwhelmingly white. It's hard to see that alone account for the difference.
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The average out of town Jon Stuart Leibowitz fan has more disposable income than the eerage out of town Glem Beck fan?
The Stewart rally did much bigger numbers than the Beck rally? Shocking. Maybe the fact that 90%+ residents of DC are Democrats, not to mention big Democrat majorities in adjacent Maryland counties and a a majority in adjacent Virginia counties had something to do with this. Hmmm.
True, but the DC population is 54% black and, as has been noted, rally attendance was overwhelmingly white. It's hard to see that alone account for the difference.
Um, there was some study done earlier this year that suggested that teabaggers generally have higher than average income. People tend to forget that the teabagger movement basically began when that CNBC hack, Rick Santini, went on television in 2008 and ranted about bailouts for homeowners, calling underwater mortgage holders "losers" and saying "there ought to be a tea party or something." The conventional wisdom is that teabaggers are upset about the economy, but I think actually most of them are upset about the bailouts, not just for corporations but for people. In classic Libertarian fashion their attitude is "cut my taxes and f&*ck everyone else."
It should also be noted that the supposedly grass roots teabagger movement is heavily promoted by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp., and also funded by several well-known right wing multibillionaires. All of which makes the turnout for Stewart/Colbert all the more impressive.
I think what Stewart's march showed is that moderates in this country outnumber right-wing nutbags, and outnumber the semiliterates of the sort who think Beck and Palin actually have something to say. The problem is that moderates, by virtue of their moderation, are not the ones with the loudest voices.
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We drove up from Alexandria, parked in a lot by the stadium for free, and walked to the rally around 11. It was crowded, we could hardly see the screens and/or hear, but it was still fun to see all the people who showed up. I thought most of the signs were funny. My favorite:
"F'ing Congress. How does that work? Also, legalize weed".
Just thought it was funny.
No traffic to and from the rally=best part
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Spent over almost 2 hours at the metro station in Vienna waiting to get a fare card then waiting for a train then finally get to the mall. We drank a lot on the train and I was completely drunk after an hour of being on the mall, regardless, we couldn't see or hear anything so we just walked over to the national gallery of art and sat around and went back home at like 4 and got home at like 7 due to trains breaking down and switching trains and finally jus grabbing a cab from Rosslyn.
My buddies drove in from Fairfax and said 66 was a breeze and they found a spot right close to the mall. Unbelievable. On the plus side, there were some amazing signs.
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Since when are you allowed to drink on the Metro?
Spent over almost 2 hours at the metro station in Vienna waiting to get a fare card then waiting for a train then finally get to the mall. We drank a lot on the train and I was completely drunk after an hour of being on the mall, regardless, we couldn't see or hear anything so we just walked over to the national gallery of art and sat around and went back home at like 4 and got home at like 7 due to trains breaking down and switching trains and finally jus grabbing a cab from Rosslyn.
My buddies drove in from Fairfax and said 66 was a breeze and they found a spot right close to the mall. Unbelievable. On the plus side, there were some amazing signs.
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Since when are you allowed to drink on the Metro?
Spent over almost 2 hours at the metro station in Vienna waiting to get a fare card then waiting for a train then finally get to the mall. We drank a lot on the train and I was completely drunk after an hour of being on the mall, regardless, we couldn't see or hear anything so we just walked over to the national gallery of art and sat around and went back home at like 4 and got home at like 7 due to trains breaking down and switching trains and finally jus grabbing a cab from Rosslyn.
My buddies drove in from Fairfax and said 66 was a breeze and they found a spot right close to the mall. Unbelievable. On the plus side, there were some amazing signs.
probably when people starting caring about marathons . . . zing.
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The Stewart rally did much bigger numbers than the Beck rally? Shocking. Maybe the fact that 90%+ residents of DC are Democrats, not to mention big Democrat majorities in adjacent Maryland counties and a a majority in adjacent Virginia counties had something to do with this. Hmmm.
I know more people from out of town who attended rally than residents of the metro area. And I'm talking Miami, LA, Cleveland, New York, Houston, Colorado.
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As for the politics of the rally, three days before a national election they did not only NOT urge anyone to vote any particular way, they never even encouraged anyone to vote at all. A bit of a lost opportunity, as the recommendation to vote can be fully non-partison. Sure many attendees have personal politics and therefore their own agenda for the rally or what they thought it was supposed to be, but what the actual sponsors of the rally intended was to cut the crap and start talking and doing.
Stewart's closing speech:
"I can't control what people think this was. I can only tell you my intentions. This was not a rally to ridicule people of faith. Or people of activism or to look down our noses at the heartland or passionate argument or to suggest that times are not difficult and that we have nothing to fear. They are and we do. But we live now in hard times, not end times. And we can have animus and not be enemies.
Unfortunately, one of our main tools in delineating the two broke. The country's 24-hour politico pundit panic conflict-onator did not cause our problems, but its existence makes solving them that much harder. The press can hold its magnifying glass up to our problems and illuminate problems heretofore unseen, or it can use its magnifying glass to light ants on fire, and then perhaps host a week of shows on the sudden, unexpected dangerous-flaming-ant epidemic. If we amplify everything, we hear nothing.
There are terrorists and racists and Stalinists and theocrats, but those are titles that must be earned. You must have the resume. Not being able to distinguish between real racists and tea partiers, or real bigots and Juan Williams and Rich Sanchez is an insult -- not only to those people, but to the racists themselves, who have put forth the exhausting effort it takes to hate. Just as the inability to distinguish between terrorists and Muslims makes us less safe, not more.
The press is our immune system. If it overreacts to everything we eventually get sicker. And perhaps eczema. Yet, with that being said, I feel good. Strangely, calmly good, because the image of Americans that is reflected back to us by our political and media process is false. It is us through a funhouse mirror, and not the good kind that makes you slim and taller -- but the kind where you have a giant forehead and an ass like a pumpkin and one eyeball.
So, why would we work together? Why would you reach across the aisle to a pumpkin assed forehead eyeball monster? If the picture of us were true, our inability to solve problems would actually be quite sane and reasonable. Why would you work with Marxists actively subverting our Constitution or racists and homophobes who see no one?s humanity but their own? We hear every damn day about how fragile our country is -- on the brink of catastrophe -- torn by polarizing hate and how it?s a shame that we can?t work together to get things done, but the truth is we do. We work together to get things done every damn day. The only place we don't is here or on cable TV. Americans don't live here or on cable TV. Where we live our values and principles form the foundation that sustains us while we get things done, not the barriers that prevent us from getting things done.
Most Americans don't live their lives solely as Democrats or Republicans or conservatives or liberals. Most Americans live their lives that our just a little bit late for something they have to do. Often it?s something they do not want to do, but they do it. Impossible things get done every day that are only made possible by the little, reasonable compromises."
Stewart then plays a clip of cars merging before entering the Lincoln Tunnel in New Jersey
"These cars -- that?s a school teacher who thinks taxes are too high?there?s a mom with two kids who can?t think about anything else...another car, the lady?s in the NRA. She loves Oprah?An investment banker, gay, also likes Oprah?a Latino carpenter?a fundamentalist vacuum salesman?a Mormon Jay Z fan?But this is us. Everyone of the cars that you see is filled with individuals of strong belief and principles they hold dear -- often principles and beliefs in direct opposition to their fellow travelers.
And yet these millions of cars must somehow find a way to squeeze one by one into a mile-long, 30-foot wide tunnel carved underneath a mighty river?And they do it. Concession by concession. You go. Then I?ll go. You go, then I?ll go. You go, then I?ll go -- oh my god, is that an NRA sticker on your car, an Obama sticker on your car? Well, that?s OK. You go and then I?ll go?"Sure, at some point there will be a selfish jerk who zips up the shoulder and cuts in at the last minute. But that individual is rare and he is scorned, and he is not hired as an analyst.
Because we know instinctively as a people that if we are to get through the darkness and back into the light we have to work together and the truth is, there will always be darkness. And sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel isn?t the promised land. Sometimes it?s just New Jersey. But we do it anyway, together.
If you want to know why I?m here and what I want from you I can only assure you this: you have already given it to me. You?re presence was what I wanted. Sanity will always be and has always been in the eye of the beholder. To see you here today and the kind of people that you are has restored mine. Thank you."
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I had a friend fly in from Oregon to go to this so that's why I went. Otherwise, I would have stayed home in comfort and watched this piece of shit on TV (would have been the smart move) and watched football as well.
We arrived at 4th and Independence SW at 10 am and tried to make our way to the north side of the Mall to meet friends. Yeah, right. 4th was closed to ALL TRAFFIC, including pedestrians. And....why? It was IMPOSSIBLE to get anywhere. On the traditional pathway to move around the Mall, the gravel paths, people were camping on that shit. Just impossible to get anywhere. If you had a medical emergency on the Mall anywhere between 4th and 7th, you were shit out of luck. It was absolutely fucking ridiculous that they couldn't spend the extra money to put barriers around the pathways so people would be able to, you know, GET AROUND for both security and safety's sake. I found it incredibly ironic the Park Police were running signs on the jumbotron for dehydration and shit. Yeah, like it would have mattered. We honestly risked our lives for this shit.
While the Roots are a decent band, 40 minutes was TOO FUCKING MANY and John Legend blows goat testicles. People were out there all fucking morning and then they made you wait 40 more minutes for some fun-nay. Then the mythbusters guys came on. They blew. Forced laughter? C'mon. The comedic bits were the best part, but the whole schtick on the "train" angle was trying way too fucking hard. Ozzy? Are you fucking kidding? Jesus. Couldn't even let Cat Stevens play a whole song? It was insulting to see such a fucking blowhard like Ozzy on the same fucking stage as Stevens. Seeing the O'Jays was cool. I was EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED to see Kid Rock, quite possibly the worst musician in the history of rock, take the stage. Fuck you, Kid Rock. Die from self-immolation.
Living in SW never sucks and it especially didn't for the rally. Never got on a Metro train all day.
Someone mentioned noticing a lot of people from out of town attending. You know why? Because us Washingtonians have better shit to do than "rally" and put up with ALL THE BULLSHIT that rallying entails. I'm glad I went. It was amazing to see so many people and the hoods around the Mall packed to the max, most of the signs were funny, most of the people were pretty cool and the weather worked out. But at the end of the day, I would have rather just stayed home and not dealt with the shit.
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At least in main part of the mall where the screens were there the exit pathways, saw them when I walked through the night before
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"so . . . what did you learn, (insert name here), at the rally; freedom of speech, coming together to show unity, being apart of a spectacle/moment in time that was something rather than nothing that will be talked about for some time, taking in what was said by people on the stage or in the crowds, or anything like that??"
"no. the traffic was a bitch. the crowds were a bitch. the bands were a bitch. the sidewalk was a bitch. the town at times is a bitch. what i want not happening is a bitch. the fact that a hundred other things were going on that day in dc was a bitch, and that damn asshole shooting buildings trying to be a copycat sniper who is sending messages by radar only by only hiting military themed things and then causing most of the police/security caring about the marathon . . . is a bitch." the end, is a bitch too.
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So the tea parties are wetting themselves over this video shot at the rally, because it makes a few attendees look "stupid" (note: it's less than two minutes long). I can almost guarantee that if they asked the same question at tea party rally, they get much different responses and probably not many correct ones. Full disclosure it took me a couple moments to figure out what the prank was...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_23Nt5XumaU
Is Obama A Keynesian? Rally For Sanity, 10/30/10
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A bit of a lost opportunity
This is exactly how the folks I talked to described it.
While this was primarily a comedy/music show, a lot of folks really want to join like minded people in a counterpoint to the Tea Party nonsense and presumed GOP resurgence (those who remember My Pet Goat, Yellowcake, post-Katrina, universally incompetant government, etc). I guess since the Dems and Obama Administration have lost the Spirit of '08 this was the best outlet available. We take it for granted in DC that people are politically savvy, but I think that is surprisingly rare in a lot of the country, so a rally like this gives a lot of people a chance to connect to something that they may not be able to at home. How sad that a faux-rally was the only outlet. It'd be nice if the Dems could get serious again and cut through the bullshit themselves and not depend on comedians, or worse unintentional comedians like Olberman, and maybe find some actual politicians to inspire again ( other than friggin Bill Clinton who is friggin poisonous)
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A bit of a lost opportunity
This is exactly how the folks I talked to described it.
While this was primarily a comedy/music show, a lot of folks really want to join like minded people in a counterpoint to the Tea Party nonsense and presumed GOP resurgence (those who remember My Pet Goat, Yellowcake, post-Katrina, universally incompetant government, etc). I guess since the Dems and Obama Administration have lost the Spirit of '08 this was the best outlet available. We take it for granted in DC that people are politically savvy, but I think that is surprisingly rare in a lot of the country, so a rally like this gives a lot of people a chance to connect to something that they may not be able to at home. How sad that a faux-rally was the only outlet. It'd be nice if the Dems could get serious again and cut through the bullshit themselves and not depend on comedians, or worse unintentional comedians like Olberman, and maybe find some actual politicians to inspire again ( other than friggin Bill Clinton who is friggin poisonous)
i didn't think politics was the point of the rally. a lot of attendees made it into their own political rally but stewart and colbert have been very consistent in being apolitical about the rally itself. their message was encouraging civil and honest discourse, regardless of topic, political or otherwise. i mean, they gave an award to a baseball player, the crazy jet blue guy, and a woman from the "real houswives of nj". they exclusively mocked the media at length. there was no making fun of political policies or politicians unless that person was completely out in left field (ie: godwinning themselves). even then, the "politicians" they mocked were first and foremost a media personality (beck, specifically).
i think a lot of people are trying to find deeper meaning to this rally than there maybe is.
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Why all the hate for John Legend?
Sure, some of his material is kind of cheesy. But his album with the Roots is excellent, and theri performance together was by far the most entertaining part of the rally schedule....at least as viewed on my computer screen.
He's a much better singer than most any of the crap indie band "singers" championed on this board.
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but he plays piano. people that play piano are harrible.
billy joel
lady gaga
elton john
alicia keys
richard nixon
and pianos/organs are the worst part of jams bands
plus they ruined all hair metal bands and turned them into power ballad pussies
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Why all the hate for John Legend?
Sure, some of his material is kind of cheesy. But his album with the Roots is excellent, and theri performance together was by far the most entertaining part of the rally schedule....at least as viewed on my computer screen.
He's a much better singer than most any of the crap indie band "singers" championed on this board.
Wake Up is terrific, yeah. I would have written him off too before I got that album, but he really nailed those songs. Live and on record.
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So the tea parties are wetting themselves over this video shot at the rally, because it makes a few attendees look "stupid" (note: it's less than two minutes long). I can almost guarantee that if they asked the same question at tea party rally, they get much different responses and probably not many correct ones. Full disclosure it took me a couple moments to figure out what the prank was...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_23Nt5XumaU
Is Obama A Keynesian? Rally For Sanity, 10/30/10
Republicans should be happy that people are confused by the question. It means that Keynesianism is being completely suppressed in American media and education.
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The problem with legend is he did what seemed like a 15min political slow jam. I think there was some sort of message buried in his ego trip. This is not the sort of thing one does to get people pumped up. Do a Marvin Gaye cover or something.
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The problem with legend is he did what seemed like a 15min political slow jam. I think there was some sort of message buried in his ego trip. This is not the sort of thing one does to get people pumped up. Do a Marvin Gaye cover or something.
I don't know, that song (I Can't Write Left Handed) is easily my favorite on the album, so I was glad he/they played it.
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The songs he did were all covers, all from the album with the Roots, except for "Dear God" from the Roots' own album where he was singing the Jim James part. And all in keeping the the political message of the Roots' own recent album.
Was the original version a Bill Withers ego trip?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4RyYtkifTM
Roots setlist:
Thought At Work (Ended with a mix of "It's ? moreJust Begun" by The Jimmy Castor Bunch and "Apache" by The Sugarhill Gang)
How I Got Over
Dear God 2.0 (with John Legend)
Hard Times (Baby Huey & The Babysitters cover) (with John Legend)
Little Ghetto Boy (Donny Hathaway cover) (with John Legend)
I Can't Write Left Handed (Bill Withers cover) (with John Legend)
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Regardless of the source, I and one would guess others thought the selections were BORING as was Staples/Tweedy song, the Kid Rock song (which appeared to be one verse repeated three times).
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To each their own. I'm sure that any song ever recorded would find it's share of detractors.
It would seem to make sense that Legend/Roots would play songs off of their very recent collaboration, and Staples/Tweedy would play a song off of their very recent collaboration, rather than grasping for some kind of universal crowd-pleaser.
Regardless of the source, I and one would guess others thought the selections were BORING as was Staples/Tweedy song, the Kid Rock song (which appeared to be one verse repeated three times).
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so i finally got around to watching the bits and pieces of replay that Comedy Central has on their website... and, truth be told, the comedy value was average. it was just as poignant as the average Daily Show, but less funny IMO. maybe the parts they cut out were funnier? his closing bit ("moment of sincerity", transcribed here previously) was pretty awesome.
given the mediocre level of comedy that was offered i'm glad that i spent saturday walking around, reading signs, chatting with people, taking in the energy, etc instead of sitting in one spot watching a giant screen.
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and, jon stewart should never sing again. ever.
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ding ding ding
anybody aware of what jon stewart's brother does for a living? or am i the last to know?
http://blogs.reuters.com/summits/2010/03/29/jon-stewarts-brother-says-mom-pretty-happy-with-both/
and, jon stewart should never sing again. ever.
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nope, didn't know about his brother... can't say i care much, either. i'm sure lots of entertainers have siblings in positions of power, are minor celebrities in their own right, etc.
He's a much better singer than most any of the crap indie band "singers" championed on this board.
so, how long until this board proclaims john stewart to be the future of music?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml_R9QisgRY
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I just read through this thread and figured I'd give my recap of the event:
- I bought a shirt with Bush's face on it that read "I Screwed You All But Thanks For Blaming It On The Black Guy". LOLz.
- Don't know if anyone else saw this brotha but he was shouting off about illegal immigrants and they problems he had with them taking up their jobs. I took his flyer and he had this crazy ass sign that explained a bit of his position. As soon as he got to the part where he was saying Europeans don't like black people and started saying things he didn't have any facts to back up, I pretty much left while other people kept arguing with him. On top of that, he kept saying huskers. SMH.....
- Before The Roots rocked out (which I enjoyed, don't care if it was 40 minutes.....the muthafuckin' OJs was there), I enjoyed that Myth Busters thing. It was cool to see the crowd participate in something like that.
- I won't lie the crowd was definitely getting annoying. On my way to the rally, I damn near almost slap this dude silly for not having the nerve to take his fare card to the metro worker when the machine that you put your card said for him to do it. I asked him if I could go by him and he said chill out. As much as I wanted to knock his teeth then because it was crowded, I knew that it was more hassle than anything. So I went to the next aisle that was open and kept moving and called him a bitch in the process. LOL.
- Saw a bunch of great costumes and signs. I think the ones that the Muslims came up with mocking the fears of people who don't like Muslims were good. Anyone see that one sign of Christine O'Donnell and beliow it reads "Teatard?". Women that are shaped right with more hair on their arms than Chewbecca should not dress up like sexy nurses. I'm just sayin'; no playa hatin'. LOLz.
- L'efant Plaza got shut down right when I was trying to leave to get to work early so I could work on my grad school paper. I had to truck it through that thick ass crowd of people. Not fun.
- That activist newspapr, El Militante, was there and they were selling a book that Malcolm X had about labor laws which looked interesting. Almost bought it because I think that was one of his ideas that were least talked about.
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So who won last night? Leibowitz (Stewart) or Colbert?
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the red states won. the red states won. we are all saved. america is saved, people. no more job loses, no more foreclosures, no more recession, no more economy problems. we are saved. thank god for elections, for they bring change and not the same. where is my flag. i want to cry on it now.
and one more thing . . . no more chances of a health care system not controlled by big business.
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yea . . . and legal pot failed in cali. good. i hate california, and like the fact that they are broke, overrun by the mexican mafia who fuel their gang with the profits of pot . . . and will stay that way. fuck 'em and that goon jerry brown.
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has TMUL hacked walkie's account?
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yea . . . and legal pot failed in cali. good. i hate california, and like the fact that they are broke, overrun by the mexican mafia who fuel their gang with the profits of pot . . . and will stay that way. fuck 'em and that goon jerry brown.
I haven't read too much about it, but didn't a lot of pot supporters want it to fail? I heard that people had problems with how much was allowed and the fact it would run a lot of current growers out of business.
However, it really is pathetic they don't legalize it the right way when the cartels make 75-90% of their profits off pot.
Man, I can't wait till all the Republicans start bitching when the now republican run House of Reps gets nothing done. For some reason everyone thought 18 months would be enough to fix the freaking multitude of issues the Obama administration inherited from our good pal GWB.
Also, I saw on CNN that there are no African Americans in the Senate. That is a really sad and telling statistic on current racial equality in America.
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Man, I can't wait till all the Republicans start bitching when the now republican run House of Reps gets nothing done.
GOPers like to bitch on principle, but they won't be bitching about not getting anything done. All they want is gridlock.
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However, it really is pathetic they don't legalize it the right way when the cartels make 75-90% of their profits off pot.
Patently false.
The Mexican Government has claimed that up to 50% of the cartels profits come from cannabis, however a RAND study argued that less than $2 billion a year comes from cannabis, or between 15% and 26% of their total. California accounts for only one seventh of that due to the potency of locally grown pot. If RAND is roughly right then making pot legal in California would simply take about 2%-4% out of the cartels revenue.
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Fine. Shoot Prop 19 down. At least metro Washington won't turn into a refugee camp like So Cal will when Mexico falls to the cartels.
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2 biggest complaints that i hear about Proposal 19 (legalization of pot in CA)
- individual growers were allowed 25 square feet - 5' x 5' - to grow their own. too small, people cried.
- would turn a mom-and-pop, DIY industry into Big Business, it'll be generic weed, all the same strains, profits will replace love of the plant, yadda yadda( neglecting the fact that a lot of pot in CA is already grown on an industrial basis...).
Man, I can't wait till all the Republicans start bitching when the now republican run House of Reps gets nothing done.
GOPers like to bitch on principle, but they won't be bitching about not getting anything done. All they want is gridlock.
not quite - they'll bitch while creating gridlock. they'll continue to oppose anything and everything the dems put forth - even if it reflects the republicans' values and/or agenda - and will then point out how inneffective the current administration is. that strategy is in part responsible for yesterday's succcess, why stop now?
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Fair point.
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In my mind the election was more a referendum on democratic leadership than democratic policy. Even if all Obama policy decisions have been rational, Obama has lost his ability to inspire the American public, and that truly is the president's most important role. He had the Audacity of Hope and the Audacity to Win . . .but he's lacking in the Audacity to Lead.
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2 biggest complaints that i hear about Proposal 19 (legalization of pot in CA)
- individual growers were allowed 25 square feet - 5' x 5' - to grow their own. too small, people cried.
- would turn a mom-and-pop, DIY industry into Big Business, it'll be generic weed, all the same strains, profits will replace love of the plant, yadda yadda( neglecting the fact that a lot of pot in CA is already grown on an industrial basis...).
I also heard they were concerned that they didn't have enough "Dark Side of the Moon" blacklight posters to meet the increased demand.
Brian
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Fine. Shoot Prop 19 down. At least metro Washington won't turn into a refugee camp like So Cal will when Mexico falls to the cartels.
First off, I voted for it, and for exactly the foreign policy reasons laid out. All I was doing was correcting the facts. The cartels make much more money on cocaine, heroin and meth than they do on pot, and they make much more selling pot in states not named California.
2 biggest complaints that i hear about Proposal 19 (legalization of pot in CA)
- individual growers were allowed 25 square feet - 5' x 5' - to grow their own. too small, people cried.
- would turn a mom-and-pop, DIY industry into Big Business, it'll be generic weed, all the same strains, profits will replace love of the plant, yadda yadda( neglecting the fact that a lot of pot in CA is already grown on an industrial basis...).
Nobody voted against it for those reasons though. Sure those were valid complaints, but those are complaints of pot smokers, who overwhelmingly supported it.
Prop 19 failed because it wasn't well thought out. Yes, current growers and dealers were opposed, but there's not enough of them to swing the vote. Nobody bought the argument that we should not vote for prop 19 because the black market will collapse - the consumer was smart enough to know that with the elimination of the black market the price of pot will come down.
And nobody voted against it because 25 square feet isn't enough room - they'd vote for the ability to grow it in a tea cup.
Legalizing pot polled well back in April when it was seen as a way to shore up the state coffers. But this proposition was different than the law that was proposed and it was so indecisive on how to handle the taxing of weed that it didn't do enough to convince voters that don't smoke that it's ok to vote for this anyway because you will see a benefit. Thus it didn't garner the votes in Southern California that it needed to pass. They also never should have put it on a mid-term ballot when turnout is low, especially among the young.
If they put it back on the ballot in Nov 2012, have a clear tax plan that benefits the state, and do more to protect the medicinal houses that already exist, I bet they can pass it.
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2 biggest complaints that i hear about Proposal 19 (legalization of pot in CA)
- individual growers were allowed 25 square feet - 5' x 5' - to grow their own. too small, people cried.
- would turn a mom-and-pop, DIY industry into Big Business, it'll be generic weed, all the same strains, profits will replace love of the plant, yadda yadda( neglecting the fact that a lot of pot in CA is already grown on an industrial basis...).
I also heard they were concerned that they didn't have enough "Dark Side of the Moon" blacklight posters to meet the increased demand.
Brian
i would say that more potheads, nowadays, listen to animal collective, daft punk and kanye. everybody loves kanye.
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In my mind the election was more a referendum on democratic leadership than democratic policy. Even if all Obama policy decisions have been rational, Obama has lost his ability to inspire the American public, and that truly is the president's most important role. He had the Audacity of Hope and the Audacity to Win . . .but he's lacking in the Audacity to Lead.
I mean, you get 8 years of someone that fucked up things before you and people expect you to fix it in 4. The general public I feel wants a quick a fix to every one of the problems which is what I think made people lose faith in Obama. I think if anything, Obama's shown more strength than most democrats. But he won't get credit for it because, the GOP, Tea Party baggers, and whomever have smeared his name as everything from a socialist to etc. And also, the party politics really were at the forefront blocking the process of getting things such as Healthcare reform passed. I think he's been doing all he can with what he has. Don't agree with everything he's done but, I'm not mad at him for showing he's proactive and wants to do his job.
Furthermore, that was his campaign when ran; the HOPE and CHANGE bit. I honestly thought he was the better candidate out of all of them because he didn't come off so bat-shit crazy in comparison. He was stating what HE wants to do when he gets in office. And now, what he accomplished is a different story. Because even the president has a boss. On top of that, haters in the cut that want to stop what he's doing.
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In my mind the election was more a referendum on democratic leadership than democratic policy. Even if all Obama policy decisions have been rational, Obama has lost his ability to inspire the American public, and that truly is the president's most important role. He had the Audacity of Hope and the Audacity to Win . . .but he's lacking in the Audacity to Lead.
my favorite quote so far: "the republicans didn't win this election. the democrates lost it".
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my favorite quote so far: "the republicans didn't win this election. the democrates lost it".
If I hear Rachel Maddow say one more time "This isn't a referendum on the Democrats, this is a referendum on Moderate Republicans" I think I'm going to punch her. And I don't hit chicks.
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She's no chick.
my favorite quote so far: "the republicans didn't win this election. the democrates lost it".
If I hear Rachel Maddow say one more time "This isn't a referendum on the Democrats, this is a referendum on Moderate Republicans" I think I'm going to punch her. And I don't hit chicks.
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2 biggest complaints that i hear about Proposal 19 (legalization of pot in CA)
- individual growers were allowed 25 square feet - 5' x 5' - to grow their own. too small, people cried.
- would turn a mom-and-pop, DIY industry into Big Business, it'll be generic weed, all the same strains, profits will replace love of the plant, yadda yadda( neglecting the fact that a lot of pot in CA is already grown on an industrial basis...).
I also heard they were concerned that they didn't have enough "Dark Side of the Moon" blacklight posters to meet the increased demand.
Brian
i would say that more potheads, nowadays, listen to animal collective, daft punk and kanye. everybody loves kanye.
except George W. Bush. He's still bitter:
http://watching-tv.ew.com/2010/11/02/george-bush-kanye-west-lauer-today/ (http://watching-tv.ew.com/2010/11/02/george-bush-kanye-west-lauer-today/)
Actually, I didn't realize until a few months ago that the cover to "Merriweather Post Pavillion" was a trippy, optical illusion. I think it works better with the vinyl than the CD.
Brian
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Don't forget that some growers don't want to pay taxes.
this was a hilarious story about it.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130755883
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So who won last night? Leibowitz (Stewart) or Colbert?
It's kinda silly to be obsessed with Jon's real last name isn't it 'James Ford'?
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Don't forget that some growers don't want to pay taxes.
this was a hilarious story about it.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130755883
I remember hearing that on my drive to work the other day and laughing.
"Dude, it would make having this illegal?"
"Why is that?"
"Prop 19 would mean this is too much to possess."
"Oh, well, I'll vote against it."
Um, earth to dragonfly. It's illegal to possess that now...
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On a board where taking oneself way too seriously seems to be the norm, isn't a bit of silliness a good thing?
Or does walkonby have a monpoly on silliness?
So who won last night? Leibowitz (Stewart) or Colbert?
It's kinda silly to be obsessed with Jon's real last name isn't it 'James Ford'?
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Once the public employees of California realize that they won't be getting the retirement benefits they were promised (or, alternatively, the private sector employees realize they have to subsidize public employees' retirement) legalized pot will sail through.
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On a board where taking oneself way too seriously seems to be the norm, isn't a bit of silliness a good thing?
Or does walkonby have a monpoly on silliness?
So who won last night? Leibowitz (Stewart) or Colbert?
It's kinda silly to be obsessed with Jon's real last name isn't it 'James Ford'?
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In my mind the election was more a referendum on democratic leadership than democratic policy. Even if all Obama policy decisions have been rational, Obama has lost his ability to inspire the American public, and that truly is the president's most important role. He had the Audacity of Hope and the Audacity to Win . . .but he's lacking in the Audacity to Lead.
I mean, you get 8 years of someone that fucked up things before you and people expect you to fix it in 4. The general public I feel wants a quick a fix to every one of the problems which is what I think made people lose faith in Obama. I think if anything, Obama's shown more strength than most democrats. But he won't get credit for it because, the GOP, Tea Party baggers, and whomever have smeared his name as everything from a socialist to etc. And also, the party politics really were at the forefront blocking the process of getting things such as Healthcare reform passed. I think he's been doing all he can with what he has. Don't agree with everything he's done but, I'm not mad at him for showing he's proactive and wants to do his job.
Furthermore, that was his campaign when ran; the HOPE and CHANGE bit. I honestly thought he was the better candidate out of all of them because he didn't come off so bat-shit crazy in comparison. He was stating what HE wants to do when he gets in office. And now, what he accomplished is a different story. Because even the president has a boss. On top of that, haters in the cut that want to stop what he's doing.
Gonna quote myself and post this link. Very interesting.
http://www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/ (http://www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/)
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Time to go into full Denzel mode, get the swagger back, take charge, and explain this shit to America like they are a 4-year old
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^^^Exactly. People let the drama overshadow what has been completed. By the time they realize that, Obama's term will be over.
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In my mind the election was more a referendum on democratic leadership than democratic policy.
Fully agree with this. From what I could tell, it wasn't so much people wanting Republicans in but people who are fed up and wanting to get rid of a lot of politicians they are pissed off with.
The Democrats need to take heed and clean house of a lot of the corruption and other ills that has infested their party. Earn the people's respect and trust back.
By the same token, the Republicans need to do exactly the very same thing otherwise, mark my words, that old political pendulum is in full swing and will hit just as hard back the other way in 2 years for the next election period.
Blaming 'the other guys' is nothing but a sheer cop-out. Too much stuff was done since then that many are not happy with, and it wasn't just by one politician alone. Many have done things to piss off those they supposedly represent. And that goes for both parties though, obviously, the Democrats took the bigger hit last night. Don't for a second think that the Republicans now have it smooth sailing for awhile because you would be wrong. We're watching and we're watching all of you!
People are pissed off at all of the unethical crap they are all doing which is all too often doing nothing but causing all kinds of harm and destruction in their political wake. Voting is one of the few ways that many people know of to try to do something about things and we're sick of settling for the 'lesser of two evils'. With a larger than usual number of write-in candidates winning, it only goes to prove that YES, a 3rd option CAN win. Doesn't necessarily mean that they are better but it does put the mainstream 2 party system on notice.
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On a board where taking oneself way too seriously seems to be the norm, isn't a bit of silliness a good thing?
Or does walkonby have a monpoly on silliness?
So who won last night? Leibowitz (Stewart) or Colbert?
It's kinda silly to be obsessed with Jon's real last name isn't it 'James Ford'?
Silliness is good occasionally. Funny is better for extended periods.
walkonby is generally funny.
'Monpoly' sounds like a Swedish gay fetish club. Time Out Stockholm would call it 'Sexy and silly'.
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In my mind the election was more a referendum on democratic leadership than democratic policy.
Fully agree with this. From what I could tell, it wasn't so much people wanting Republicans in but people who are fed up and wanting to get rid of a lot of politicians they are pissed off with.
While this is true, it's also a stupid attitude. "We're fed up with the current politicians, so we're going to vote in the other party that we just voted out two years ago because they f***ed things up to begin with." It's like we're a nation of short-sighted, petulant infants.
Certainly the voters have punished the Democrats, as they meant to (and as the Democrats deserved), but they've punished the country's future as a result. The Republicans have already made clear that their number one priority is extending the Bush tax cuts for the very wealthy, and Obama, who apparently still views himself as Abe Lincoln, has already indicated he is willing to compromise on this. He ought to channel the Abe Lincoln who sent General William Tecumseh Sherman to finish off the South.
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He ought to channel the Abe Lincoln who sent General William Tecumseh Sherman to finish off the South.
I like the way you think.
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hmmm I didn't realize that Ozzy was at this event during the day. I thought it was a taped segment. He played Voodoo that night which by the way he rocked ;D Wish this rally to restore crap was this weekend.