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Title: This news does not appeal
Post by: K8teebug on December 12, 2012, 11:50:09 am
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/paul-mccartney-subbing-kurt-cobain-nirvana-reunites-article-1.1218363
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on December 12, 2012, 11:57:17 am
LOL, I just called Nirvana "Mom Rock" yesterday on Facebook and some people got really pissed.

BOOM! The ultimate mom musician Pauly McCartney
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: Relaxer on December 12, 2012, 12:04:22 pm
I would be annoyed at calling Nirvana "mom rock" because it's just a brainless comment that's meant to be "So! Random! LOL"
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on December 12, 2012, 12:16:28 pm
It's not random. It was a calculated attack on an overrated band, a band that ruined rock n roll to the effect that we're still feeling today. A band that was in the right place at the right time but has been so overrated ever since. I like Nirvana, I don't think great or one of the greatest rock bands ever. They killed hair metal [I guess that sucks?] but they brought misery to the music and that led to fucking rap/rock, which inspired your nickelbacks and now Coldplay is called "Rock" for some fucking reason. Nirvana was the head of a shit train that's now plowing through this generation leading to Rick Ross and 2 Chainz being insanely popular when they couldn't hold a fucking candle to the hip hop and rap albums coming out 20 years ago.

But, times change, and I just think Nirvana is overrated. Didn't meant to troll.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: imbecile on December 12, 2012, 12:23:33 pm
Nirvana killed hair metal and led us to rap/rock and Nickelback?

You don't honestly believe what you just wrote do you?
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on December 12, 2012, 12:29:06 pm
I'm not saying that there was a direct correlation between Nirvana/Grunge to Limp Bizkit/Rap-Rock, but there is NOTHING between there with any sort of impact. Since then, what has there been? Kings Of Leon? Muse? There has been no rock band that stands above all other music and that's what upsets me. Guns N Roses was the height of popular music, Nirvana was, unfortunately Limp Bizkit and Korn were. And since then? Pop dribble and insanely shitty rap.

Grunge killed or helped put an end to hair metal. Cmon.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 12, 2012, 12:35:40 pm
dude get yourself Dirtbombs, Ash,  Whigs, etc albums already... There are plenty of dirty rock and roll bands out there, just because the masses don't listen to them don't make them bad.  who cares what the American Idol fans listen to really?  Simon Cowell is more responsible for the death of rock music than Nirvana
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on December 12, 2012, 12:38:09 pm
god i hate opinions . . . go away.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: K8teebug on December 12, 2012, 12:39:41 pm
I just don't want to hear Paul McCartney singing their songs.  It makes my heart hurt.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on December 12, 2012, 12:42:20 pm
Oh, no, I don't care what people listen to and I think there are TONS of rock bands out there that totally rule ass from the 90s that "mainstream" or whatever didn't listen to or weren't launched to the pinnacle of popular music, it just frustrates me that rock n roll isn't the musical juggernaut it once was. Especially with this dance music explosion and auto tune, where is the talent in what's popular? It's all made in a factory and every couple of years [even months] another computer generated pop star is formed and shit out and sold to everyone. It just sucks to see what's popular now versus what was popular then, but I guess 20 years ago they thought it was better 20 years before then...

I mean, Linkin Park? Cmon.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on December 12, 2012, 12:43:05 pm
I just don't want to hear Paul McCartney singing their songs.  It makes my heart hurt.
You don't want to hear Sir Paul sing "Rape Me"? Cmon!
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: K8teebug on December 12, 2012, 12:56:44 pm
I just don't want to hear Paul McCartney singing their songs.  It makes my heart hurt.
You don't want to hear Sir Paul sing "Rape Me"? Cmon!

Okay.  Maybe that.  But, I doubt he will be singing that one tonight.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on December 12, 2012, 01:05:50 pm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/dec/12/paul-mccartney-kurt-cobain-nirvana

Quote
The former Beatle will join Foo Fighters singer Dave Grohl and bassist Krist Novoselic on stage in New York to play a new song after secretly working with the pair. Grohl and Novoselic have not performed with each other for 20 years.

so there we go, not paul singing nirvana songs. but then again the article also says dave and krist havent played together in 20 years, which is false, so who knows.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on December 12, 2012, 01:12:42 pm
Lol, they didn't play with each other............. after Nevermind.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: imbecile on December 12, 2012, 01:16:58 pm
I don't disagree at all that popular music isn't very good right now.  I'm sure a lot of people like it, thus it being popular, but certainly not my cup of tea.. and not yours either.

However, I think that has more to do with just the natural cycle of music.  It seems the general style of what's popular cycles every so often (I'll say 10 years for arguments sake).  Nirvana and the "grunge" era was 20 years ago.  Was Nirvana responsible for the late 90's being dominated by rap?  Probably not.  People just moved on from rock.  Before them it was hair metal (good riddance to it being dead, by the way), before that disco or whatever they listened to in the 70's and then 80's. 

Another theory - Do you not remember New Kids on the Block or Milli Vanilli?  Shitty music was popular before Nirvana and will continue to be popular.  It's not Nirvanas fault that a large portion of music consumers are completely unwilling to differentiate between talented artists and complete hacks propped up by autotune and slick production which offers no substance.  Most people who buy and listen to music, don't actually care about music as much as you do.  As Kosmo said, good music is out there, it's just not popular, with few exceptions, it's never really been popular.  The early 90's, looking back, was a very rare period where good music was also popular, but there was also a fair share of crap at that time as well.

I like Nirvana a lot and think they were highly influential.. but to say that they started a chain of events that led to the soulless vacant music of today, while also causing people on a mass scale to actually like this music is a very large leap.  I'm not sure anyone is that influential.  It just happened.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on December 12, 2012, 01:26:43 pm
A band at the right place at the right time, I'm not saying I don't like Nirvana, I like them, they are far from my favorite, I like Guns N Roses WAY more. Just personal preference. I also don't discount your Milli Vanilli's, Vanilla Ices, MC Hammers, Sinead O'Connor's, Kriss Kross's and so on. My gripe is that they are just glorified, but maybe it's just because I'm not a huge fan of theirs.

Pretty much GNR > Nirvana > Sinead O'Connor minus "Nothing Compares 2 U", because that song is awesome.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on December 12, 2012, 01:27:15 pm
i wonder if courtney will show . . . dressed as yoko.

(http://1funny.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/cute-cat.jpg)
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: atomicfront on December 12, 2012, 01:27:56 pm
It's not random. It was a calculated attack on an overrated band, a band that ruined rock n roll to the effect that we're still feeling today. A band that was in the right place at the right time but has been so overrated ever since. I like Nirvana, I don't think great or one of the greatest rock bands ever. They killed hair metal [I guess that sucks?] but they brought misery to the music and that led to fucking rap/rock, which inspired your nickelbacks and now Coldplay is called "Rock" for some fucking reason. Nirvana was the head of a shit train that's now plowing through this generation leading to Rick Ross and 2 Chainz being insanely popular when they couldn't hold a fucking candle to the hip hop and rap albums coming out 20 years ago.

But, times change, and I just think Nirvana is overrated. Didn't meant to troll.

but why criticize what mom's like.  What about calling something college age male rock as insult.  
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on December 12, 2012, 01:29:39 pm
I didn't criticize it! Moms now love Blink 182 and moms also love Kings Of Leon and moms also love Muse and moms also love The Black Keys. It's just funny how people can take offense to what I said "Mom rock"

People get so butt hurt when you say something semi negative about a band. WHAT'S WRONG WITH MOMS!?
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: atomicfront on December 12, 2012, 01:30:58 pm
A band at the right place at the right time, I'm not saying I don't like Nirvana, I like them, they are far from my favorite, I like Guns N Roses WAY more. Just personal preference. I also don't discount your Milli Vanilli's, Vanilla Ices, MC Hammers, Sinead O'Connor's, Kriss Kross's and so on. My gripe is that they are just glorified, but maybe it's just because I'm not a huge fan of theirs.

Pretty much GNR > Nirvana > Sinead O'Connor minus "Nothing Compares 2 U", because that song is awesome.

First Sinead Oconnor album is better than anything Guns and Rose or Nirvana ever did.  The unplugged nirvana album is pretty amazing.   I saw a nirvana live performance recently (recorded) and they sounded like most of the baltimore bands at the time who played DIY venues.  Though you have to love how easy it is  to play the Nirvana guitar parts.  
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: atomicfront on December 12, 2012, 01:31:57 pm
I didn't criticize it! Moms now love Blink 182 and moms also love Kings Of Leon and moms also love Muse and moms also love The Black Keys. It's just funny how people can take offense to what I said "Mom rock"

People get so butt hurt when you say something semi negative about a band. WHAT'S WRONG WITH MOMS!?

There are moms who like XIU XIU and Thao and the get down stay down.  Mom's vary.   Just like music.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: atomicfront on December 12, 2012, 01:33:05 pm
One thing I would like to mention is that Hole was so much better than Nirvana.   Kurt was like Courtney's yoko
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on December 12, 2012, 01:34:25 pm
A band at the right place at the right time, I'm not saying I don't like Nirvana, I like them, they are far from my favorite, I like Guns N Roses WAY more. Just personal preference. I also don't discount your Milli Vanilli's, Vanilla Ices, MC Hammers, Sinead O'Connor's, Kriss Kross's and so on. My gripe is that they are just glorified, but maybe it's just because I'm not a huge fan of theirs.

Pretty much GNR > Nirvana > Sinead O'Connor minus "Nothing Compares 2 U", because that song is awesome.

First Sinead Oconnor album is better than anything Guns and Rose or Nirvana ever did.  .  
Not posting in here anymore.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: atomicfront on December 12, 2012, 01:35:39 pm
A band at the right place at the right time, I'm not saying I don't like Nirvana, I like them, they are far from my favorite, I like Guns N Roses WAY more. Just personal preference. I also don't discount your Milli Vanilli's, Vanilla Ices, MC Hammers, Sinead O'Connor's, Kriss Kross's and so on. My gripe is that they are just glorified, but maybe it's just because I'm not a huge fan of theirs.

Pretty much GNR > Nirvana > Sinead O'Connor minus "Nothing Compares 2 U", because that song is awesome.

First Sinead Oconnor album is better than anything Guns and Rose or Nirvana ever did.  .  
Not posting in here anymore.


your pobably have never even listened to the Lion and the Cobra. 
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: Relaxer on December 12, 2012, 01:37:16 pm
This is the dumbest thread this board has ever seen.
I challenge any of the long-timers to find one that is worse.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: atomicfront on December 12, 2012, 01:38:22 pm
This is the dumbest thread this board has ever seen.
I challenge any of the long-timers to find one that is worse.


well the smashing pumpkins roll call is pretty dumb  thread. 
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: killsaly on December 12, 2012, 01:40:21 pm
80s music pretty much sucked (minus a few bands) and Nirvana saved us all.


Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: atomicfront on December 12, 2012, 01:40:58 pm
Nirvana killed hair metal and led us to rap/rock and Nickelback?

You don't honestly believe what you just wrote do you?

I like nirvana but I do think they pretty much ruined music for the next 10 years.  Bands like stone roses, primal scream, and happy mondays were the big thing when they arrived on the scene and music changed completely.  You still had bands like Blur and Pulp but they didn't get the attention they deserved in this country
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: atomicfront on December 12, 2012, 01:45:08 pm
80s music pretty much sucked (minus a few bands) and Nirvana saved us all.




80's music was the best we have ever experienced.  Cure, Depeche Mode, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance, Stone Roses,  Colourfield, ABC, New Order, Echo and the Bunnymen, Public Image Lmtd. Sugar Cubes,  Duran Duran, U2, Banarama, Sinead Oconnor, Psychedelic Furs, OMD, Run DMC, Guns and Roses, Motley Crue,  Fine Young Canibals, Naked Eyes, Talk Talk, INXS, Bon Jovi, Pop Will Eat Itself, Pixies, Beastie Boys, Erasure, Gene Loves Jezebel, Human League, Sisters of Mercy, Bauhaus, Fun Boy 3, etc etc. etc.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: killsaly on December 12, 2012, 01:52:08 pm
80s music pretty much sucked (minus a few bands) and Nirvana saved us all.
80's music was the best we have ever experienced.  Cure, Depeche Mode, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance, Stone Roses,  Colourfield, ABC, New Order, Echo and the Bunnymen, Public Image Lmtd. Sugar Cubes,  Duran Duran, U2, Banarama, Sinead Oconnor, Psychedelic Furs, OMD, Run DMC, Guns and Roses, Motley Crue,  Fine Young Canibals, Naked Eyes, Talk Talk, INXS, Bon Jovi, Pop Will Eat Itself, Pixies, Beastie Boys, Erasure, Gene Loves Jezebel, Human League, Sisters of Mercy, Bauhaus, Fun Boy 3, etc etc. etc.
NOPE.  Of your list, these are OK.
Cure, Depeche Mode, Stone Roses, New Order, Pixies, Beastie Boys.

The 80s REALLY sucked.  Stop living in the past.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: atomicfront on December 12, 2012, 01:54:36 pm
80s music pretty much sucked (minus a few bands) and Nirvana saved us all.
80's music was the best we have ever experienced.  Cure, Depeche Mode, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance, Stone Roses,  Colourfield, ABC, New Order, Echo and the Bunnymen, Public Image Lmtd. Sugar Cubes,  Duran Duran, U2, Banarama, Sinead Oconnor, Psychedelic Furs, OMD, Run DMC, Guns and Roses, Motley Crue,  Fine Young Canibals, Naked Eyes, Talk Talk, INXS, Bon Jovi, Pop Will Eat Itself, Pixies, Beastie Boys, Erasure, Gene Loves Jezebel, Human League, Sisters of Mercy, Bauhaus, Fun Boy 3, etc etc. etc.
NOPE.  Of your list, these are OK.
Cure, Depeche Mode, Stone Roses, New Order, Pixies, Beastie Boys.

The 80s REALLY sucked.  Stop living in the past.

That is funny as there must be 100 bands copying the Cocteau Twins today.  And I don't live in the past.  I think 90's music is the worst.   
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: James Ford on December 12, 2012, 02:14:06 pm
Actually, the 50's were the best decade for music. I'ts been downhill ever since. Though the 90's were the worst.

Beatles>Nirvana
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: atomicfront on December 12, 2012, 02:17:46 pm
Actually, the 50's were the best decade for music. I'ts been downhill ever since. Though the 90's were the worst.

Beatles>Nirvana

Beatles > everyone else
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: Justin Tonation on December 12, 2012, 02:33:26 pm
18th century Europe is where it's at.  ;D
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on December 12, 2012, 02:36:32 pm
18th century Europe is where it's at.  ;D
It's really all been downhill since the Baroque Era, imho.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: Justin Tonation on December 12, 2012, 02:41:49 pm
18th century Europe is where it's at.  ;D
It's really all been downhill since the Baroque Era, imho.

The Classical Era saved us from the excesses of late Baroque Rococo. (Does this scenario sound familiar?)
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on December 12, 2012, 03:18:49 pm
18th century Europe is where it's at.  ;D
It's really all been downhill since the Baroque Era, imho.

The Classical Era saved us from the excesses of late Baroque Rococo. (Does this scenario sound familiar?)
Would be nowhere without the Renaissance. I mean amirite.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 12, 2012, 09:51:59 pm
Well what ever McCartney & Co do later it's not going to be any more regrettable  then what Sandler just did to Hallelujah.  YIKES

And Bon Jovi's voice is shot and totally ruined what started off a a killer version of "Born To Run".  Eddie Vedder wasn't so hot on vocals either tonight as what ever dude Roger Waters had signing with him.
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Post by: shemptiness on December 12, 2012, 10:04:43 pm
Reserving judgment on Sir Paul.  He's owed that.  I thought Vedder was okay.  Roger Waters seemed to not understand why he was there.

Somebody needs to explain Bon Jovi to me though.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 12, 2012, 10:18:27 pm
Wow other than Bruce's opening set, this show is really lame.  Bon Jovi had the audience singing all the notes he can't hit anymore.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 12, 2012, 10:36:02 pm
Totally diggin Clapton doing a little clean-up with his fiesty power trio. 
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: James Ford on December 12, 2012, 11:18:31 pm
"One of the most inspirational artists of our generation", Alicia Keys, doing "Put You Cell Phones in the
Air".
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 12, 2012, 11:44:43 pm
Watching The Who makes me wish Pete Townshend would tour solo, his voice is just in much better than shape Roger's at this point.

Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: shemptiness on December 12, 2012, 11:51:51 pm
Gotta love Roger's shorn chest, though.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: James Ford on December 13, 2012, 12:05:49 am
I think maybe he's just not a hairy guy.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/B1utiUdNyFS._SL600_.jpg)

Gotta love Roger's shorn chest, though.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: shemptiness on December 13, 2012, 12:26:46 am
I don't get Kanye even more than I don't get Bongiovi.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: wml7 on December 13, 2012, 12:47:46 am
wow, that Kanye performance was horrible.  I've seen him a few times and this was a train wreck.  That drunk uncle bit was a train wreck too
 ;D
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 13, 2012, 12:59:17 am
This is the in different part of the show, waiting for the big finale. 
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: wml7 on December 13, 2012, 01:21:03 am
I like this acoustic Chris Martin with Michael Stipe
 ;D
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 13, 2012, 01:25:03 am
I like this acoustic Chris Martin with Michael Stipe
 ;D

It was ok, but felt rushed and they could have chosen almost any other R.E.M. song to play.
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 13, 2012, 01:39:01 am
Seriously have they lost Dave Grohl, Krist Novoselic and Pat Smear?  <holding breathe>
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: wml7 on December 13, 2012, 01:43:44 am
will probably be the last song for that one
 ;D
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 13, 2012, 01:46:32 am
I dunno all along they had Grohl playing before Macca...  And McCartney is likely going to close with some Beatles song
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 13, 2012, 02:05:59 am
Phew - well worth the wait!  Pretty bad ass little song there.  Paul's wacky little electric uke turned up 10 was too cool.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: Unsanity on December 13, 2012, 03:20:26 am
Paul with 3/4 of Nirvana was the best thing I saw on that whole telecast.
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 13, 2012, 08:22:28 am
Paul's whole set was pretty top notch, he dug a little deep into his solo catalog and sounded much better than he did at the Olympics.  The Who really have no business doing Baba O'Rielly at this point, Roger just can't carry that tune anymore.  Instrumentally, The Who were tight and spot on, that Zak Starkey is a beast. Joel and Waters were border line snoozie fests.  Clapton's set was surprisingly refreshing, as was Springsteen sans Bon Jovi.

I'm hoping there is another Fireman record in the offing with 3/4 of Nirvana doing some of the songs.
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Post by: James Ford on December 13, 2012, 09:29:37 am
Geesh, what they really needed was some TRUE music pioneers.

Like The Cure, Depeche Mode, Cocteau Twins, Thompson Twins....basically all the bands that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame give the shaft to! God damnit.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: Got Haggis? on December 13, 2012, 09:38:37 am
i have to admit....that was pretty awesome

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=624HfkMty_8
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: K8teebug on December 13, 2012, 09:43:15 am
It was.  I eat my words!
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: atomicfront on December 13, 2012, 10:51:20 am
Geesh, what they really needed was some TRUE music pioneers.

Like The Cure, Depeche Mode, Cocteau Twins, Thompson Twins....basically all the bands that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame give the shaft to! God damnit.


Yeah whatever show you guys are talking about sounds pretty awful. 
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: James Ford on December 13, 2012, 10:57:34 am
When I was in my early 20's, I thought punk and new wave was the only truly innovative rock music and I scoffed at classic rock.

Then I grew up.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: atomicfront on December 13, 2012, 11:12:48 am
When I was in my early 20's, I thought punk and new wave was the only truly innovative rock music and I scoffed at classic rock.

Then I grew up.

I am glad I am not an old man like you.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on December 13, 2012, 11:15:40 am
When I was in my early 20's, I thought punk and new wave was the only truly innovative rock music and I scoffed at classic rock.

Then I grew up.
lol, I still dig new wave, there's a lot of 80s shit that sucks, but I can't argue against The Cure or Tears For Fears and so on.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: bearman🐻 on December 13, 2012, 01:00:26 pm
80's music sucks?? Feelies, Volcano Suns, Husker Du, Mission of Burma, Minutemen, Firehose, Black Flag, Pixies, Throwing Muses, the Fall, Dinosaur Jr., Meat Puppets, New Order, Echo and the Bunnymen, Killing Joke, Magazine, Minor Threat, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, Public Image Limited, Red Lorry Yellow Lorry, The Replacements, Ministry, Revolting Cocks, Rites of Spring, Big Black, The Smiths, Dead Milkmen, Social Distortion, X, Galaxie 500, Bad Religion, Butthole Surfers, the Chills, the Clean, the Clash, Cocteau Twins, The Cramps, The Cure, The Damned, Hoodoo Gurus...oh yeah, absolutely nothing good in any of those.

And for the record, Nirvana may seem overrated and completely played to death, but in 1991 they came in like a huge breath of fresh air. For those not alive or too young to remember it, if you were 16 and heard "Smells Like Teen Spirit" for the first time (even if you were a fan of the Pixies), it still sounded like a revolution of sound. My friends that were into hair metal literally dropped that stuff overnight and started wearing flannel and going to Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam concerts. That's what Nirvana did. They brought an end to the excess of the popular 80's arena rock. A lot of other bands could have done it. But they made the sort of record that was in the right place at the right time. It's still a great LP. And if it didn't sell 10 million copies, nobody would say it was overrated. It'd be another "Loveless".
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Post by: Relaxer on December 13, 2012, 01:30:05 pm
Hell yeah Bearman, great post.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on December 13, 2012, 01:32:25 pm
Just my opinion. I think it's overrated. Doesn't mean I don't like Nirvana. Just think GNR is better. Personal preference.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: bearman🐻 on December 13, 2012, 01:41:09 pm
Thanks Relaxer.

As for underrated early 90's music, I still think "Meantime" by Helmet is one of the greatest achievements from that era and never gets its due. I'll listen to that any day over "Nevermind".
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Post by: hutch on December 13, 2012, 01:51:28 pm
I can't stand to listen to Nevermind anymore. has not aged well at ALL... trompe le monde.. now that is a great record.

80s were great but the best was 1994-1995.. good lord talk about a lot of great music




i personally think the "excesses of arena rock" that got washed away..some of them at least.. are majorly missed... sad that it became uncool to be able to play a guitar solo for example... or to look like you were having fun.. or to be extroverted...or flamboyant... Nirvana and its revolution brought a lot of good but also a lot of bad... when bearman (edit: or maybe i'm getting you confused with kosmo) you can't find new music you like and you wonder why you ought to begin by looking at Nirvana

listening to the stray cats choo choo album from 1992 which got lost in that revolution
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: bearman🐻 on December 13, 2012, 01:57:18 pm
Trompe le Monde is another tremendously underrated LP. It's not Doolittle, but boy does it kick ass. I think people don't like the fact that there's not much Kim Deal on it. I think songs like "Letter to Memphis", "Bird Dream", and "Motorway to Roswell" are some of Black Francis' finest songs.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: bearman🐻 on December 13, 2012, 01:58:08 pm
I can find new music I like, it's just much more unlikely that I'll find a lot of it.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: hutch on December 13, 2012, 01:59:16 pm
its always been interesting to me, also, how the bands that were the first alternative bands that MTV played a lot... bands like Jane's and in particular, Faith No More with Epic which was on 24-7, never get any credit..its like Nirvana came in and everything changed 100% but it was not so.. if you were there you saw it.. MTV started moving in that direction before Nirvana.. big record labels were buying up alternative bands before Nirvana... they were paying major ducats for new alternative bands before Nirvana.. all this has been written out of the history with the overly simplistic "Smells like Teen Spirit" changed everything... I guess its easier for people to think like that..
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: hutch on December 13, 2012, 02:00:51 pm
Trompe le Monde is another tremendously underrated LP. It's not Doolittle, but boy does it kick ass. I think people don't like the fact that there's not much Kim Deal on it. I think songs like "Letter to Memphis", "Bird Dream", and "Motorway to Roswell" are some of Black Francis' finest songs.

Trompe is my favorite Pixies  record....its a masterpiece. I bought it the week it came out at the Tower in NYC and it blew me away..

I'm not going to get into a comparison but when I go on rateyourmusic and see people hold Bossa Nova in higher esteem than Trompe Le Monde I really have to laugh...
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on December 13, 2012, 02:14:12 pm
i personally think the "excesses of arena rock" that got washed away..some of them at least.. are majorly missed... sad that it became uncool to be able to play a guitar solo for example... or to look like you were having fun.. or to be extroverted...or flamboyant... Nirvana and its revolution brought a lot of good but also a lot of bad... when bearman (edit: or maybe i'm getting you confused with kosmo) you can't find new music you like and you wonder why you ought to begin by looking at Nirvana

Exactly how I feel. What's wrong to want to hear some fucken shredding in a rock song these days!?

Also, I fucking LOVE Faith No More. I always heard "Epic" but started listening to them more and more and actually like them a lot. To be honest I didn't know anything about them when I was a kid so I don't know their relevance during the 90s. But I dig them.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: James Ford on December 13, 2012, 02:24:25 pm
They brought an end to the excess of the popular 80's arena rock


How is headlining Madison Square Garden, broadcast to millions not arena rock? I saw Smashing Pumpkins and Pearl Jam opening for Red Hot Chili Peppers. Touring on their first albums. AT A HOCKEY ARENA.

Grunge was just a new form of arena rock. Just a little more morose in the attitude.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: hutch on December 13, 2012, 02:31:57 pm
They brought an end to the excess of the popular 80's arena rock


How is headlining Madison Square Garden, broadcast to millions not arena rock? I saw Smashing Pumpkins and Pearl Jam opening for Red Hot Chili Peppers. Touring on their first albums. AT A HOCKEY ARENA.

Grunge was just a new form of arena rock. Just a little more morose in the attitude.

Not just a very contrived morose.. also fake.. all one has to do is look at the pictures of Mother Love Bone to realize what a fake Pearl Jam was...Mother Love Bone was trying to be Guns and Roses because that was the game and a year later Pearl Jam was trying to be Nirvana because that was the game.. you do the math... its fine.. everyone has to put bread on the table but lets not kid ourselves... and it wasn't just Pearl Jam..it was all of them.. .all these bands moving to Seattle...

It often amuses me how much people pick on Stone Temple Pilots saying they ripped off Pearl Jam when Pearl Jam was one gigantic corporate rock rip off. Sorry Eddie.. .love you and everything but ain't blind.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 13, 2012, 02:42:36 pm
I think you have the careers of Sponge and Pearl Jam mixed up their ;)
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on December 13, 2012, 02:44:08 pm
They brought an end to the excess of the popular 80's arena rock


How is headlining Madison Square Garden, broadcast to millions not arena rock? I saw Smashing Pumpkins and Pearl Jam opening for Red Hot Chili Peppers. Touring on their first albums. AT A HOCKEY ARENA.

Grunge was just a new form of arena rock. Just a little more morose in the attitude.
Oh, so at this rate, Mumford & Sons is arena rock too?

Derp. You know better than that, cmon James.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: James Ford on December 13, 2012, 02:51:57 pm
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Chess King or Merry Go Round.

Ding Ding Ding Hutch scores the win.

Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: James Ford on December 13, 2012, 02:55:40 pm
I guess it's whatever you dislike is arena rock, and whatever you like is not arena rock.

Right?

They brought an end to the excess of the popular 80's arena rock


How is headlining Madison Square Garden, broadcast to millions not arena rock? I saw Smashing Pumpkins and Pearl Jam opening for Red Hot Chili Peppers. Touring on their first albums. AT A HOCKEY ARENA.

Grunge was just a new form of arena rock. Just a little more morose in the attitude.
Oh, so at this rate, Mumford & Sons is arena rock too?

Derp. You know better than that, cmon James.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on December 13, 2012, 03:00:05 pm
That's wrong, I like arena rock. I don't like Mumford & Sons. BUT, by your logic, M&S would be arena rock because they play arena's..... Quit not getting my point, it's annoying.
I guess it's whatever you dislike is arena rock, and whatever you like is not arena rock.

Right?

They brought an end to the excess of the popular 80's arena rock


How is headlining Madison Square Garden, broadcast to millions not arena rock? I saw Smashing Pumpkins and Pearl Jam opening for Red Hot Chili Peppers. Touring on their first albums. AT A HOCKEY ARENA.

Grunge was just a new form of arena rock. Just a little more morose in the attitude.
Oh, so at this rate, Mumford & Sons is arena rock too?

Derp. You know better than that, cmon James.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 13, 2012, 03:21:35 pm
Hutch only scored a body blow... as only two member of Pearl Jam were in Mother Love Bone, Eddie wasn't a member.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: hutch on December 13, 2012, 03:25:54 pm
Hutch only scored a body blow... as only two member of Pearl Jam were in Mother Love Bone, Eddie wasn't a member.

If you want more I can go dig up my Pearl Jam biography from the basement... ;D


Honestly I don't even care that Pearl Jam were a bunch of fakes... everyone has to play the game.. I'd say Pearl Jam evolved in a way that they are now more genuine anyways.. but in the early days good lord....

wasn't there a Time magazine cover with Eddie doing his best Jesus Christ? maybe not.. guess I misremembered.


Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: Relaxer on December 13, 2012, 03:49:38 pm
Oh hey here's Jimi Hendrix who will always be remembered for being a doo-wop guitarist because some dickhead douchebag who refers to himself in the third person said so.

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Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 13, 2012, 03:50:13 pm
Game playing/bandwagon jumping is almost a requirement to make it to big times sometimes and rhe reason I brought up Sponge is they were the masters of it.  Prior to being Sponge they had some success as Loudhouse a very much in the vein of Jane's Addiction outfit.  During the transition from Loudhouse to Sponge the drummer switch to a singer.  Between State Fair gigs as Sponge he was doing various Alt-Country bands on the side.

Of course who can forget the whole Matchbox 20 history of leading singer sacking his band prior to being sided.

And I thought that at one point in Scott Weiland's career he was in some sort of Duran Duran influenced outfit...
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: James Ford on December 13, 2012, 03:54:51 pm
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Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: slappy on December 13, 2012, 04:04:06 pm
80's music sucks?? Feelies, Volcano Suns, Husker Du, Mission of Burma, Minutemen, Firehose, Black Flag, Pixies, Throwing Muses, the Fall, Dinosaur Jr., Meat Puppets, New Order, Echo and the Bunnymen, Killing Joke, Magazine, Minor Threat, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, Public Image Limited, Red Lorry Yellow Lorry, The Replacements, Ministry, Revolting Cocks, Rites of Spring, Big Black, The Smiths, Dead Milkmen, Social Distortion, X, Galaxie 500, Bad Religion, Butthole Surfers, the Chills, the Clean, the Clash, Cocteau Twins, The Cramps, The Cure, The Damned, Hoodoo Gurus...oh yeah, absolutely nothing good in any of those.

I get where you're coming from but technically Social D, Killing Joke, The Fall, The Damned, The Clash, The Cramps, Magazine, The Cure, The Feelies, X all were formed and making records in the 70s. If you're just going by songs from the 80's your list gets way bigger with Bowie, Paul Simon, Talking Heads, The Jam, etc. making considerable contributions in the 'rock' genre.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: bearman🐻 on December 13, 2012, 04:27:27 pm
I'm talking arguable creative and artistic peaks. Just because someone picked up a guitar in 1979 doesn't mean they were at their best. Some Clash fans think Combat Rock is one of their very best LP's. And as for Talking Heads, they released great music in the 80's, but I prefer the 70's stuff. But that's just taste. They're still a terrific band.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: hutch on December 13, 2012, 04:58:11 pm


And I thought that at one point in Scott Weiland's career he was in some sort of Duran Duran influenced outfit...


well he  must have been very young but that would be actually consistent... there's no doubt that there is a Roxy Music/Bowie glam element to Stone Temple Pilots and it is self-evident and acknowledged.. Roxy was of course,  other than Japan (an influence they fail to mention because its simply outright theft more than influence), the biggest influence on Duran Duran.

Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: atomicfront on December 13, 2012, 06:43:05 pm
80's music sucks?? Feelies, Volcano Suns, Husker Du, Mission of Burma, Minutemen, Firehose, Black Flag, Pixies, Throwing Muses, the Fall, Dinosaur Jr., Meat Puppets, New Order, Echo and the Bunnymen, Killing Joke, Magazine, Minor Threat, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, Public Image Limited, Red Lorry Yellow Lorry, The Replacements, Ministry, Revolting Cocks, Rites of Spring, Big Black, The Smiths, Dead Milkmen, Social Distortion, X, Galaxie 500, Bad Religion, Butthole Surfers, the Chills, the Clean, the Clash, Cocteau Twins, The Cramps, The Cure, The Damned, Hoodoo Gurus...oh yeah, absolutely nothing good in any of those.

I get where you're coming from but technically Social D, Killing Joke, The Fall, The Damned, The Clash, The Cramps, Magazine, The Cure, The Feelies, X all were formed and making records in the 70s. If you're just going by songs from the 80's your list gets way bigger with Bowie, Paul Simon, Talking Heads, The Jam, etc. making considerable contributions in the 'rock' genre.

Paul Simon released decent music in the 80's?  Kodachrome came out in 1973.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: Relaxer on December 13, 2012, 07:18:29 pm
Graceland is rock canon whether you like itor not.
Rhythm of the Saints is a highly underrated classic.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: hutch on December 13, 2012, 07:25:09 pm
Late in the evening!!!!!!!!!!!!


I think Atomic Front is just a made up character here to get our goat.. I don't think he believes most of the stuff he's writing... Its funny though!
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on December 14, 2012, 10:22:42 am
Late in the evening!!!!!!!!!!!!


I think Atomic Front is just a made up character here to get our goat.. I don't think he believes most of the stuff he's writing... Its funny though!
Been saying this since the guy started posting a couple weeks ago! He HAS to be a troll.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: slappy on December 14, 2012, 06:37:06 pm
I'm talking arguable creative and artistic peaks. Just because someone picked up a guitar in 1979 doesn't mean they were at their best. Some Clash fans think Combat Rock is one of their very best LP's. And as for Talking Heads, they released great music in the 80's, but I prefer the 70's stuff. But that's just taste. They're still a terrific band.

I can see the Talking Heads. However, the argument that The Damned had their best albums in the 80's would be a very small minority of fans. I'd replace Siouxsie and the Banshees for The Damned. And the Feelies released Crazy Rhythms in early 1980, which could be considered similar to your 'picking up a guitar in 1979' analogy.


Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on December 14, 2012, 07:37:51 pm
Late in the evening!!!!!!!!!!!!


I think Atomic Front is just a made up character here to get our goat.. I don't think he believes most of the stuff he's writing... Its funny though!
Been saying this since the guy started posting a couple weeks ago! He HAS to be a troll.

so not a troll . . . i'm sure a super nice person.  is very smart and witty, nice combo.  and i can only imagine the body, but for all i know the user could be a female.  i never can keep up on here anymore.  but sometimes the taste in music appalls me, but i'm sure my collection is half a joke itself.  i tip my tasty beer his/her way.
Title: Re: This news does not appeal
Post by: hutch on December 14, 2012, 09:50:11 pm
Late in the evening!!!!!!!!!!!!


I think Atomic Front is just a made up character here to get our goat.. I don't think he believes most of the stuff he's writing... Its funny though!
Been saying this since the guy started posting a couple weeks ago! He HAS to be a troll.

so not a troll . . . i'm sure a super nice person.  is very smart and witty, nice combo.  and i can only imagine the body, but for all i know the user could be a female.  i never can keep up on here anymore.  but sometimes the taste in music appalls me, but i'm sure my collection is half a joke itself.  i tip my tasty beer his/her way.
:D

I think you said it was Brian Wallace and complimented him and then hoped Julian would come back!