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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: RustyOrgan on December 14, 2012, 04:40:20 pm
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All - Let's take a minute to thank the NRA for making school shootings like this one, and future ones, possible!
NRA Headquarters
Address: 11250 Waples Mill Road, Fairfax, VA 22030
Phone:(703) 267-1000
http://home.nra.org/
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All - Let's take a minute to thank the NRA for making school shootings like this one, and future ones, possible!
NRA Headquarters
Address: 11250 Waples Mill Road, Fairfax, VA 22030
Phone:(703) 267-1000
http://home.nra.org/
The NRA is run by big gun manufactures. They won't care about what you send them as long as they keep selling guns. You need to vote out of office people who support everyone having a gun. And that includes both the democratic and republican party
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Who is down for going over there with a thank you card and balloons? I need someone to record.
All - Let's take a minute to thank the NRA for making school shootings like this one, and future ones, possible!
NRA Headquarters
Address: 11250 Waples Mill Road, Fairfax, VA 22030
Phone:(703) 267-1000
http://home.nra.org/
The NRA is run by big gun manufactures. They won't care about what you send them as long as they keep selling guns. You need to vote out of office people who support everyone having a gun. And that includes both the democratic and republican party
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Who is down for going over there with a thank you card and balloons? I need someone to record.
All - Let's take a minute to thank the NRA for making school shootings like this one, and future ones, possible!
NRA Headquarters
Address: 11250 Waples Mill Road, Fairfax, VA 22030
Phone:(703) 267-1000
http://home.nra.org/
The NRA is run by big gun manufactures. They won't care about what you send them as long as they keep selling guns. You need to vote out of office people who support everyone having a gun. And that includes both the democratic and republican party
it make no sense to go there. Go to washington dc and protest in front of the white house or capital hill. you need to change the laws.
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what people should do, if they really do care is organize... and in the US that takes money... create a lobby for gun control... support gun control candidates.... target gun "rights" candidates.. the opposite of the NRA basically
10 million people * 100$ is $100 million for starters
what people will do? everyone will talk about how sad they are..their hearts go out blah blah blah... it will make them feel a bit better... they'll do nothing... something about "may god comfort the victims..".. wait, did God let this happen? No, thats too much..dont go there..
repeat after next mass shooting..maybe next one will be in a hospital ward with babies.
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what people should do, if they really do care is organize... and in the US that takes money... create a lobby for gun control... support gun control candidates.... target gun "rights" candidates.. the opposite of the NRA basically
10 million people * 100$ is $100 million for starters
what people will do? everyone will talk about how sad they are..their hearts go out blah blah blah... it will make them feel a bit better... they'll do nothing... something about "may god comfort the victims..".. wait, did God let this happen? No, thats too much..dont go there..
repeat after next mass shooting..maybe next one will be in a hospital ward with babies.
mass shootings are just one facet of the problem. how many people get killed by handguns in this country a year? 20,000?
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what people should do, if they really do care is organize... and in the US that takes money... create a lobby for gun control... support gun control candidates.... target gun "rights" candidates.. the opposite of the NRA basically
10 million people * 100$ is $100 million for starters
what people will do? everyone will talk about how sad they are..their hearts go out blah blah blah... it will make them feel a bit better... they'll do nothing... something about "may god comfort the victims..".. wait, did God let this happen? No, thats too much..dont go there..
repeat after next mass shooting..maybe next one will be in a hospital ward with babies.
mass shootings are just one facet of the problem. how many people get killed by handguns in this country a year? 20,000?
very true..
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wait a minute..
correction
10 million people * 100 is US$ 1 billion not $100 million
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fuck the second amendment
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white house says today is not the day to talk about gun control. I guess just like the one in the movie theater wasn't the time to talk about gun control. If today isn't a day to talk about gun control, when is?
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If today isn't a day to talk about gun control, when is?
it's never a good time. on a day like today, it's "politicizing a tragedy" and "let's just think of the victims". on any other day, it's "why are you bringing this up? gun control isn't a problem, don't stir things up!". rather convenient...
fuck the second amendment
no, it's there and we won't get rid of it any time soon IMO. instead, let's return to it's original intent. ya want guns? fine, prove that you're part of a "well regulated militia": you have a chain of command. train as a group, stay in barracks, can be told to surrender your guns by your superiors, you have a mission, etc. anyone who can't adhere to this is just a yahoo who want to own a flame-thrower. fuck District of Columbia v. Heller.
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If today isn't a day to talk about gun control, when is?
it's never a good time. on a day like today, it's "politicizing a tragedy" and "let's just think of the victims". on any other day, it's "why are you bringing this up? gun control isn't a problem, don't stir things up!". rather convenient...
fuck the second amendment
no, it's there and we won't get rid of it any time soon IMO. instead, let's return to it's original intent. ya want guns? fine, prove that you're part of a "well regulated militia": you have a chain of command. train as a group, stay in barracks, can be told to surrender your guns by your superiors, you have a mission, etc. anyone who can't adhere to this is just a yahoo who want to own a flame-thrower. fuck District of Columbia v. Heller.
people don't need to be in militias. People do not need guns to hunt. Use a bow if you want to kill something. It isn't like the constitution can't be changed. We don't have slaves anymore. We don't need guns.
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it's worth noting that yesterday, a similar attack occurred in China. 22 kids attacked, fatality rate 0% - because he used a knife.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-attacks-22-kids-knife-china-school-article-1.1220230
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people don't need to be in militias. People do not need guns to hunt. Use a bow if you want to kill something. It isn't like the constitution can't be changed. We don't have slaves anymore. We don't need guns.
You don't have 2/3 of both Houses either, let alone 3/4 of the states. Tens of thousand of proposals with only 17 constitutional amendments since its initial conception. That's not the proper route for gun control.
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people don't need to be in militias. People do not need guns to hunt. Use a bow if you want to kill something. It isn't like the constitution can't be changed. We don't have slaves anymore. We don't need guns.
You don't have 2/3 of both Houses either, let alone 3/4 of the states. Tens of thousand of proposals with only 17 constitutional amendments since its initial conception. That's not the proper route for gun control.
bingo
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ever since obama was elected/re-elected people have been buying guns and ammo in record numbers. Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and his 10-year-old daughter Liza went hunting over Thanksgiving weekend his daughter killed her first deer.
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we should have an organization that studies people, whether in group situations or individual accounts if it gets that far. they find the ones that are there, that stand out from the rest and find them early. you know the ones i speak of, for they are so recognizable in school. early on. crazy people are not our friend. crazy people do horrific things like this. crazy people did oklahoma, colorado and now connecticut. get rid of crazy people . . . not guns. guns protect, just like sane people protect. the end.
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we should have an organization that studies people, whether in group situations or individual accounts if it gets that far. they find the ones that are there, that stand out from the rest and find them early. you know the ones i speak of, for they are so recognizable in school. early on. crazy people are not our friend. crazy people do horrific things like this. crazy people did oklahoma, colorado and now connecticut. get rid of crazy people . . . not guns. guns protect, just like sane people protect. the end.
Ok hitler. What next get rid of the jews and gays?
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yeah i guess i should have said "get rid of" meaning putting them away in jail like facilities run by corporations making a killing like the prison system we have here in our country. get them off the streets. not kill them. well . . . not right away. that did seem kinda of hitlerish there at first. good call, whoever you are. i knew my kind words elsewhere were not in vain.
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Walkie, are you a card carrying NRA member? Seriously asking.
That has been their line of propaganda bullshit for as long as I have been alive and most likely much longer.
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no . . . oh good lord lord no. that was just an idea, maybe a silly idea to get "future" crazy people off the streets . . . but how do you do that really? i'm not a fan of guns at all. they scare me in the hands of people that should not have them, which is a lot, and you might shoot your eye out. the whole arguement of whether we should have them or not is so far beyond complicated to me to even want to discuss it here, in a thread about a horrible horrible thing. i do feel the nra is just another corporation like any other making money on what they believe in, like any other, and making the world go 'round. actually, i feel this thread is horrible as well, and feel dirty for posting in it.
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My bad.
There have just been tons of studies done that prove the contrary with regard to the protection argument.
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Like this one. (http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/2009/09/gun-possession-safety/)
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There is no perfect answer. What do you do abut all the guns already in circulation? In this case, it looks like having some sort of mental health check before buying a weapon (obviously a smart thing) wouldn't have mattered because from what I have read, the guns belonged to his mother.
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There is no perfect answer. What do you do abut all the guns already in circulation? In this case, it looks like having some sort of mental health check before buying a weapon (obviously a smart thing) wouldn't have mattered because from what I have read, the guns belonged to his mother.
20 year jail term for having a gun after a specific date. If people keep them they are risking spending most of their life in jail. Right now even if you carry illegal you get a slap on the wrist.
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Plus a buyback/turn in program. it HAS been done and it has worked
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All - Let's take a minute to thank the NRA for making school shootings like this one, and future ones, possible!
NRA Headquarters
Address: 11250 Waples Mill Road, Fairfax, VA 22030
Phone:(703) 267-1000
http://home.nra.org/
What made this possible was making the school a gun free zone thereby telling criminals that it is absolutely safe for them to commit crimes in that area since no one will be armed to stop them. And lest you think differently, there is absolutely NOTHING that you or anyone else can do that will prevent this from happening again. Criminals by nature break laws. Passing any/every/all laws we could think of will not change that fact and the fact that criminals will still get guns.
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If today isn't a day to talk about gun control, when is?
it's never a good time. on a day like today, it's "politicizing a tragedy" and "let's just think of the victims". on any other day, it's "why are you bringing this up? gun control isn't a problem, don't stir things up!". rather convenient...
fuck the second amendment
no, it's there and we won't get rid of it any time soon IMO. instead, let's return to it's original intent. ya want guns? fine, prove that you're part of a "well regulated militia": you have a chain of command. train as a group, stay in barracks, can be told to surrender your guns by your superiors, you have a mission, etc. anyone who can't adhere to this is just a yahoo who want to own a flame-thrower. fuck District of Columbia v. Heller.
people don't need to be in militias. People do not need guns to hunt. Use a bow if you want to kill something. It isn't like the constitution can't be changed. We don't have slaves anymore. We don't need guns.
People don't need cars. Walk if you want to go somewhere.
People don't need medicine. If you get sick you were supposed to die anyway.
People don't need don't need electricity. Do whatever you want to do during daylight.
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ever since obama was elected/re-elected people have been buying guns and ammo in record numbers. Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and his 10-year-old daughter Liza went hunting over Thanksgiving weekend his daughter killed her first deer.
Congrats to her!
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What we need is to stop this libtard thought mind set where we no longer have any personal responsibility. This event was caused by the mother not being responsible. If I were the DA and she had not been killed I would have charged her with 26 counts of criminally negligent homicide. It was her actions of bringing a gun into the home of a mentally ill child (or lack thereof by not preventing said son from gaining access to the gun) that directly led to this while thing. But as with our supreme campaigner in chief, everything is always someone else's fault.
Personally I was highly offended by Bammy going to the service in CT and making a blatant polticial speech pushing his left wing agenda. That was the most disrespectful thing I have ever seen any president of the USA ever do.
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There is no perfect answer. What do you do abut all the guns already in circulation? In this case, it looks like having some sort of mental health check before buying a weapon (obviously a smart thing) wouldn't have mattered because from what I have read, the guns belonged to his mother.
20 year jail term for having a gun after a specific date. If people keep them they are risking spending most of their life in jail. Right now even if you carry illegal you get a slap on the wrist.
And the criminals will still have guns. Only the honest citizens will turn in their guns. Then we will have more of these killings because the criminals know there is no risk of them being stopped. The countries with the strictest gun laws have the highest rates of gun violence, but as is usual, libtards never pay attention to facts.
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There he is.
I knew you would show up eventually.
The stats speak for themselves. We are the "developed" country with the least stringent gun laws and are the only one that sees mass shootings like this on too regular a basis.
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And the criminals will still have guns. Only the honest citizens will turn in their guns. Then we will have more of these killings because the criminals know there is no risk of them being stopped.
it's not "criminals" who commit these massacres, it's the mentally ill. and they kill themselves at the end, so i highly doubt there is added incentive, as you suggest.
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epic meltdown, ratbastard
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/gun-homicides-ownership/table/
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people who publicly "mourn" the death of those killed at Newton (post pictures of them on Facebook etc) but insist we can't do anything about preventing these things are really pissing me off.
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(http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/attachments/political-religious-discussion/151498d1355572197-another-shooting-god-bless-america.jpg)
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If today isn't a day to talk about gun control, when is?
it's never a good time. on a day like today, it's "politicizing a tragedy" and "let's just think of the victims". on any other day, it's "why are you bringing this up? gun control isn't a problem, don't stir things up!". rather convenient...
fuck the second amendment
no, it's there and we won't get rid of it any time soon IMO. instead, let's return to it's original intent. ya want guns? fine, prove that you're part of a "well regulated militia": you have a chain of command. train as a group, stay in barracks, can be told to surrender your guns by your superiors, you have a mission, etc. anyone who can't adhere to this is just a yahoo who want to own a flame-thrower. fuck District of Columbia v. Heller.
people don't need to be in militias. People do not need guns to hunt. Use a bow if you want to kill something. It isn't like the constitution can't be changed. We don't have slaves anymore. We don't need guns.
People don't need cars. Walk if you want to go somewhere.
People don't need medicine. If you get sick you were supposed to die anyway.
People don't need don't need electricity. Do whatever you want to do during daylight.
weak argument. guns are for killing things. medicine is not intended to kill people. either is electricity or cars.
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people who publicly "mourn" the death of those killed at Newton (post pictures of them on Facebook etc) but insist we can't do anything about preventing these things are really pissing me off.
they are responsible. that is what they should post on their facebook pages.
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People don't need cars. Walk if you want to go somewhere.
People don't need medicine. If you get sick you were supposed to die anyway.
People don't need don't need electricity. Do whatever you want to do during daylight.
people don't need guns. they just don't.
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There is no perfect answer. What do you do abut all the guns already in circulation? In this case, it looks like having some sort of mental health check before buying a weapon (obviously a smart thing) wouldn't have mattered because from what I have read, the guns belonged to his mother.
20 year jail term for having a gun after a specific date. If people keep them they are risking spending most of their life in jail. Right now even if you carry illegal you get a slap on the wrist.
And the criminals will still have guns. Only the honest citizens will turn in their guns. Then we will have more of these killings because the criminals know there is no risk of them being stopped. The countries with the strictest gun laws have the highest rates of gun violence, but as is usual, libtards never pay attention to facts.
you don't pay attention to facts. you are responsible for the killings. mentally ill people won't be able to get guns if they are illegal. where do you think some loser who can't have a conversation with another human being is going to acquire illegal fire arms?
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making the rounds on facebook:
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/425615_10151180976846275_7660547_n.jpg)
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people who publicly "mourn" the death of those killed at Newton (post pictures of them on Facebook etc) but insist we can't do anything about preventing these things are really pissing me off.
they are responsible. that is what they should post on their facebook pages.
To say there is nothing we can do.. let us just weep and get ready to weep again because we will not change... that is crazy.
Anyways I'm done... I feel sorry for human beings who accept more children be mowed down in the future and stand in the way of even attempting to try to do something.
Moreover, I feel they are accessories to whatever happens in the future. EDITED
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What made this possible was making the school a gun free zone thereby telling criminals that it is absolutely safe for them to commit crimes in that area since no one will be armed to stop them.
so you want to put guns in grade schools?!?
please, please tell me you don't think that's a good idea.
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People like ratbastard are why we have the problems in this country, the high crime, the income disparity, the huge government defecits, the monthly mass killings. Instead of wanting to fix the problems the country is having he wants to make them worse.
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apologies to atomicfront for having erroneously included his name on an earlier post. got him confused with ratbastard.
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(http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/attachments/political-religious-discussion/151498d1355572197-another-shooting-god-bless-america.jpg)
A handgun has NEVER killed anyone or anything.
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There is no perfect answer. What do you do abut all the guns already in circulation? In this case, it looks like having some sort of mental health check before buying a weapon (obviously a smart thing) wouldn't have mattered because from what I have read, the guns belonged to his mother.
20 year jail term for having a gun after a specific date. If people keep them they are risking spending most of their life in jail. Right now even if you carry illegal you get a slap on the wrist.
Drugs are illegal yet I would be willing to wager a large sum of money that many of those discussing this very topic use drugs to some degree or another. Making something illegal DOES NOT prevent anyone from doing anything. It merely imposes a penalty for doing so.
And the criminals will still have guns. Only the honest citizens will turn in their guns. Then we will have more of these killings because the criminals know there is no risk of them being stopped. The countries with the strictest gun laws have the highest rates of gun violence, but as is usual, libtards never pay attention to facts.
you don't pay attention to facts. you are responsible for the killings. mentally ill people won't be able to get guns if they are illegal. where do you think some loser who can't have a conversation with another human being is going to acquire illegal fire arms?
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http://liveforlivemusic.com/news/alabama-shakes-front-woman-robbed-at-gunpoint/
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People don't need cars. Walk if you want to go somewhere.
People don't need medicine. If you get sick you were supposed to die anyway.
People don't need don't need electricity. Do whatever you want to do during daylight.
people don't need guns. they just don't.
If you don't want a gun don't buy one. I personally do not have any fire arms, but I have no desire what-so-ever to prevent other law abiding citizens from owning them.
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people who publicly "mourn" the death of those killed at Newton (post pictures of them on Facebook etc) but insist we can't do anything about preventing these things are really pissing me off.
they are responsible. that is what they should post on their facebook pages.
To say there is nothing we can do.. let us just weep and get ready to weep again because we will not change... that is crazy.
Anyways I'm done... I feel sorry for human beings who accept more children be mowed down in the future and stand in the way of even attempting to try to do something.
Moreover, I feel they are accessories to whatever happens in the future. EDITED
There really isn't anything we can do to prevent a determined person from committing any given crime. What I find sad and totally offensive is a person who is supposed top be our president invading a memorial service and disrespecting the families by turning their sorrow into a political speech and making empty promises that could never be kept not matter how his intentions were. We do need to work on the issue but we need to address the real problem and not have a knee jerk reaction that libtards everywhere love to do. Taking guns away form law abiding citizens will never stop criminals from obtaining guns nor will it stop them from using them to do their deeds. Just as we don't ban cars because some people drive drunk and kill others, we shouldn't band guns.. It isn't the gun that is the problem, it is the irresponsible gun owner (just like the mother in this case). I am not sure how much more clearly I can make the point. If you choose to ignore logic, reason, and fact and you want to fool yourself into thinking that making something illegal will solve the problem, you are living in a fantasy world. The bottom line is that making guns (or anything) illegal will not stop people from obtaining them.
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People don't need cars. Walk if you want to go somewhere.
People don't need medicine. If you get sick you were supposed to die anyway.
People don't need don't need electricity. Do whatever you want to do during daylight.
people don't need guns. they just don't.
If you don't want a gun don't buy one. I personally do not have any fire arms, but I have no desire what-so-ever to prevent other law abiding citizens from owning them.
So Lanza was law abiding so its ok that he got his hands on guns?
The fact that a person is law abiding when they buy or obtain a gun in no way means they will be law abiding in how they use it. That is the problem.
If everyone who got a gun was law abiding we wouldn't have thousands of people being murdered including little children, now would me?
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people who publicly "mourn" the death of those killed at Newton (post pictures of them on Facebook etc) but insist we can't do anything about preventing these things are really pissing me off.
they are responsible. that is what they should post on their facebook pages.
To say there is nothing we can do.. let us just weep and get ready to weep again because we will not change... that is crazy.
Anyways I'm done... I feel sorry for human beings who accept more children be mowed down in the future and stand in the way of even attempting to try to do something.
Moreover, I feel they are accessories to whatever happens in the future. EDITED
There really isn't anything we can do to prevent a determined person from committing any given crime. What I find sad and totally offensive is a person who is supposed top be our president invading a memorial service and disrespecting the families by turning their sorrow into a political speech and making empty promises that could never be kept not matter how his intentions were. We do need to work on the issue but we need to address the real problem and not have a knee jerk reaction that libtards everywhere love to do. Taking guns away form law abiding citizens will never stop criminals from obtaining guns nor will it stop them from using them to do their deeds. Just as we don't ban cars because some people drive drunk and kill others, we shouldn't band guns.. It isn't the gun that is the problem, it is the irresponsible gun owner (just like the mother in this case). I am not sure how much more clearly I can make the point. If you choose to ignore logic, reason, and fact and you want to fool yourself into thinking that making something illegal will solve the problem, you are living in a fantasy world. The bottom line is that making guns (or anything) illegal will not stop people from obtaining them.
Oh I'm sorry.. I forgot GUNS dont' kill ..they were invented to kill u moron. THAT IS WHAT THEY DO. People do not buy guns to fondle themselves with or make popcorn last I checked
Yes, make them illegal and get them off the streets.. that is the answer.. less guns less violence
but lets say we don't want to fully make them illegal... lets say we say everyone can have ONE little gun if they want... no semi-automatics, no huge ammo, etc etc
THAT would be a start
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People don't need cars. Walk if you want to go somewhere.
People don't need medicine. If you get sick you were supposed to die anyway.
People don't need don't need electricity. Do whatever you want to do during daylight.
people don't need guns. they just don't.
If you don't want a gun don't buy one. I personally do not have any fire arms, but I have no desire what-so-ever to prevent other law abiding citizens from owning them.
So Lanza was law abiding so its ok that he got his hands on guns?
The fact that a person is law abiding when they buy or obtain a gun in no way means they will be law abiding in how they use it. That is the problem.
If everyone who got a gun was law abiding we wouldn't have thousands of people being murdered including little children, now would me?
1) I cannot speak for CT but in VA he could not legally own a gun with a history of mental illness.
2) You are making my point that the mother was the one who was at fault here. She was criminally negligent in allowing her son to gain access to the weapon.
3) If everyone who owned a car was a law abiding citizen we would not have any accidents, drunk driving deaths, or any other motor vehicle deaths, now would we?
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People don't need cars. Walk if you want to go somewhere.
People don't need medicine. If you get sick you were supposed to die anyway.
People don't need don't need electricity. Do whatever you want to do during daylight.
people don't need guns. they just don't.
If you don't want a gun don't buy one. I personally do not have any fire arms, but I have no desire what-so-ever to prevent other law abiding citizens from owning them.
So Lanza was law abiding so its ok that he got his hands on guns?
The fact that a person is law abiding when they buy or obtain a gun in no way means they will be law abiding in how they use it. That is the problem.
If everyone who got a gun was law abiding we wouldn't have thousands of people being murdered including little children, now would me?
1) I cannot speak for CT but in VA he could not legally own a gun with a history of mental illness.
2) You are making my point that the mother was the one who was at fault here. She was criminally negligent in allowing her son to gain access to the weapon.
3) If everyone who owned a car was a law abiding citizen we would not have any accidents, drunk driving deaths, or any other motor vehicle deaths, now would we?
the car analogy is retarded dude... CARS are designed and meant to transport people.. that some use them incorrectly does not mean we should ban them.. GUNS are meant to kill.. when people use them correctly they KILL.. you dig? THEY ARE A WEAPON you get it??? Cars are not a weapon! They can be, badly, used as a weapon but their purpose is not to act like a weapon.. should we ban frickin' paper clips because somebody might injure somebody with one? of course not. Your analogy stinks dude. get a new one.
the point is that the woman should not have had all those weapons either! nobody should have that many weapons sitting around because sometimes some people will unfortunately use them.. less weapons less violence.. can't you understand that? what part of LESS WEAPONS LESS VIOLENCE do you not get man??
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(http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/attachments/political-religious-discussion/151498d1355572197-another-shooting-god-bless-america.jpg)
A handgun has NEVER killed anyone or anything.
That's the one thing I wish they would re-word on these things.
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people who publicly "mourn" the death of those killed at Newton (post pictures of them on Facebook etc) but insist we can't do anything about preventing these things are really pissing me off.
they are responsible. that is what they should post on their facebook pages.
To say there is nothing we can do.. let us just weep and get ready to weep again because we will not change... that is crazy.
Anyways I'm done... I feel sorry for human beings who accept more children be mowed down in the future and stand in the way of even attempting to try to do something.
Moreover, I feel they are accessories to whatever happens in the future. EDITED
There really isn't anything we can do to prevent a determined person from committing any given crime. What I find sad and totally offensive is a person who is supposed top be our president invading a memorial service and disrespecting the families by turning their sorrow into a political speech and making empty promises that could never be kept not matter how his intentions were. We do need to work on the issue but we need to address the real problem and not have a knee jerk reaction that libtards everywhere love to do. Taking guns away form law abiding citizens will never stop criminals from obtaining guns nor will it stop them from using them to do their deeds. Just as we don't ban cars because some people drive drunk and kill others, we shouldn't band guns.. It isn't the gun that is the problem, it is the irresponsible gun owner (just like the mother in this case). I am not sure how much more clearly I can make the point. If you choose to ignore logic, reason, and fact and you want to fool yourself into thinking that making something illegal will solve the problem, you are living in a fantasy world. The bottom line is that making guns (or anything) illegal will not stop people from obtaining them.
Oh I'm sorry.. I forgot GUNS dont' kill ..they were invented to kill u moron. THAT IS WHAT THEY DO. People do not buy guns to fondle themselves with or make popcorn last I checked
Yes, make them illegal and get them off the streets.. that is the answer.. less guns less violence
but lets say we don't want to fully make them illegal... lets say we say everyone can have ONE little gun if they want... no semi-automatics, no huge ammo, etc etc
THAT would be a start
Again (please read slowly this time so you will understand), making something illegal will NOT take it off the streets. If that were the case there would be no marajuana to be found anywhere.
Guns DON'T kill people. PEOPLE DO. That guns did not walk itself out of the woman's house, put itself in a stolen car, drive itself to a school, open the door, walk into he school, and start firing itself. Libtards ALWAYS want to blame someone or something else for their actions.
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people who publicly "mourn" the death of those killed at Newton (post pictures of them on Facebook etc) but insist we can't do anything about preventing these things are really pissing me off.
they are responsible. that is what they should post on their facebook pages.
To say there is nothing we can do.. let us just weep and get ready to weep again because we will not change... that is crazy.
Anyways I'm done... I feel sorry for human beings who accept more children be mowed down in the future and stand in the way of even attempting to try to do something.
Moreover, I feel they are accessories to whatever happens in the future. EDITED
There really isn't anything we can do to prevent a determined person from committing any given crime. What I find sad and totally offensive is a person who is supposed top be our president invading a memorial service and disrespecting the families by turning their sorrow into a political speech and making empty promises that could never be kept not matter how his intentions were. We do need to work on the issue but we need to address the real problem and not have a knee jerk reaction that libtards everywhere love to do. Taking guns away form law abiding citizens will never stop criminals from obtaining guns nor will it stop them from using them to do their deeds. Just as we don't ban cars because some people drive drunk and kill others, we shouldn't band guns.. It isn't the gun that is the problem, it is the irresponsible gun owner (just like the mother in this case). I am not sure how much more clearly I can make the point. If you choose to ignore logic, reason, and fact and you want to fool yourself into thinking that making something illegal will solve the problem, you are living in a fantasy world. The bottom line is that making guns (or anything) illegal will not stop people from obtaining them.
Oh I'm sorry.. I forgot GUNS dont' kill ..they were invented to kill u moron. THAT IS WHAT THEY DO. People do not buy guns to fondle themselves with or make popcorn last I checked
Yes, make them illegal and get them off the streets.. that is the answer.. less guns less violence
but lets say we don't want to fully make them illegal... lets say we say everyone can have ONE little gun if they want... no semi-automatics, no huge ammo, etc etc
THAT would be a start
Again (please read slowly this time so you will understand), making something illegal will NOT take it off the streets. If that were the case there would be no marajuana to be found anywhere.
Guns DON'T kill people. PEOPLE DO. That guns did not walk itself out of the woman's house, put itself in a stolen car, drive itself to a school, open the door, walk into he school, and start firing itself. Libtards ALWAYS want to blame someone or something else for their actions.
Of course we can take guns off the streets.. why not? its been done in plenty of countries.. and even if we can't take them all off the streets taking a lot of them would be a start.. or how about preventing new ones from entering the streets. remember repeat after me: LESS GUNS LESS VIOLENCE.
Bottom line you want to enable future violence.
This isn't about liberals or conservatives.. you are the one politicizing the issue.. certainly not me or the President.
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Does RatBastard EVER post anything worth reading?
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Criminals break laws.
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Go ahead Ratbastard.. have the last word.. enjoy it..
you want lots of guns out there ... great..enjoy them.. but every time you hear schoolchildren die I want you to think THAT YOU MADE THAT POSSIBLE MAN.. OWN IT.
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people who publicly "mourn" the death of those killed at Newton (post pictures of them on Facebook etc) but insist we can't do anything about preventing these things are really pissing me off.
they are responsible. that is what they should post on their facebook pages.
To say there is nothing we can do.. let us just weep and get ready to weep again because we will not change... that is crazy.
Anyways I'm done... I feel sorry for human beings who accept more children be mowed down in the future and stand in the way of even attempting to try to do something.
Moreover, I feel they are accessories to whatever happens in the future. EDITED
There really isn't anything we can do to prevent a determined person from committing any given crime. What I find sad and totally offensive is a person who is supposed top be our president invading a memorial service and disrespecting the families by turning their sorrow into a political speech and making empty promises that could never be kept not matter how his intentions were. We do need to work on the issue but we need to address the real problem and not have a knee jerk reaction that libtards everywhere love to do. Taking guns away form law abiding citizens will never stop criminals from obtaining guns nor will it stop them from using them to do their deeds. Just as we don't ban cars because some people drive drunk and kill others, we shouldn't band guns.. It isn't the gun that is the problem, it is the irresponsible gun owner (just like the mother in this case). I am not sure how much more clearly I can make the point. If you choose to ignore logic, reason, and fact and you want to fool yourself into thinking that making something illegal will solve the problem, you are living in a fantasy world. The bottom line is that making guns (or anything) illegal will not stop people from obtaining them.
Oh I'm sorry.. I forgot GUNS dont' kill ..they were invented to kill u moron. THAT IS WHAT THEY DO. People do not buy guns to fondle themselves with or make popcorn last I checked
Yes, make them illegal and get them off the streets.. that is the answer.. less guns less violence
but lets say we don't want to fully make them illegal... lets say we say everyone can have ONE little gun if they want... no semi-automatics, no huge ammo, etc etc
THAT would be a start
Again (please read slowly this time so you will understand), making something illegal will NOT take it off the streets. If that were the case there would be no marajuana to be found anywhere.
Guns DON'T kill people. PEOPLE DO. That guns did not walk itself out of the woman's house, put itself in a stolen car, drive itself to a school, open the door, walk into he school, and start firing itself. Libtards ALWAYS want to blame someone or something else for their actions.
Of course we can take guns off the streets.. why not? its been done in plenty of countries.. and even if we can't take them all off the streets taking a lot of them would be a start.. or how about preventing new ones from entering the streets. remember repeat after me: LESS GUNS LESS VIOLENCE.
Bottom line you want to enable future violence.
This isn't about liberals or conservatives.. you are the one politicizing the issue.. certainly not me or the President.
If it makes you happy to think so, go right on believing that making something illegal will stop it form happening. Tell that to the crack heads, tell that to the guy at the next show you are at when he sparks up a joint. Bammy politicized the hole issue with his campaign speech (BTW will someone tell him that the election is over) in CT when he disrespected the families. Since talking to you is like talking to a brick, I'll let you go on with your rants. If you decide to make a solid, well reasoned, cogent point let me know and I'll come back.
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hey RB,
europe and canada have less guns and more laws... and they don't have nearly the number of mass shootings that the US does. like once a decade instead of several times a year.
you're proposing that more guns and less laws will make us safer despite evidence to the contrary.
discuss.
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Sixth Grader Brings Gun To School, Says Parents Told Him To Carry It For Protection After Newtown Shootings
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sixth-grader-brings-gun-to-school-says-parents-told-him-to-carry-it-for-protection-after-newtown-shootings/
excellent! let's have 11 year olds walking around with guns. the NRA's dream. what could go wrong? the kids will be SAFER!
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people who publicly "mourn" the death of those killed at Newton (post pictures of them on Facebook etc) but insist we can't do anything about preventing these things are really pissing me off.
they are responsible. that is what they should post on their facebook pages.
To say there is nothing we can do.. let us just weep and get ready to weep again because we will not change... that is crazy.
Anyways I'm done... I feel sorry for human beings who accept more children be mowed down in the future and stand in the way of even attempting to try to do something.
Moreover, I feel they are accessories to whatever happens in the future. EDITED
There really isn't anything we can do to prevent a determined person from committing any given crime. What I find sad and totally offensive is a person who is supposed top be our president invading a memorial service and disrespecting the families by turning their sorrow into a political speech and making empty promises that could never be kept not matter how his intentions were. We do need to work on the issue but we need to address the real problem and not have a knee jerk reaction that libtards everywhere love to do. Taking guns away form law abiding citizens will never stop criminals from obtaining guns nor will it stop them from using them to do their deeds. Just as we don't ban cars because some people drive drunk and kill others, we shouldn't band guns.. It isn't the gun that is the problem, it is the irresponsible gun owner (just like the mother in this case). I am not sure how much more clearly I can make the point. If you choose to ignore logic, reason, and fact and you want to fool yourself into thinking that making something illegal will solve the problem, you are living in a fantasy world. The bottom line is that making guns (or anything) illegal will not stop people from obtaining them.
Oh I'm sorry.. I forgot GUNS dont' kill ..they were invented to kill u moron. THAT IS WHAT THEY DO. People do not buy guns to fondle themselves with or make popcorn last I checked
Yes, make them illegal and get them off the streets.. that is the answer.. less guns less violence
but lets say we don't want to fully make them illegal... lets say we say everyone can have ONE little gun if they want... no semi-automatics, no huge ammo, etc etc
THAT would be a start
Again (please read slowly this time so you will understand), making something illegal will NOT take it off the streets. If that were the case there would be no marajuana to be found anywhere.
Guns DON'T kill people. PEOPLE DO. That guns did not walk itself out of the woman's house, put itself in a stolen car, drive itself to a school, open the door, walk into he school, and start firing itself. Libtards ALWAYS want to blame someone or something else for their actions.
Of course we can take guns off the streets.. why not? its been done in plenty of countries.. and even if we can't take them all off the streets taking a lot of them would be a start.. or how about preventing new ones from entering the streets. remember repeat after me: LESS GUNS LESS VIOLENCE.
Bottom line you want to enable future violence.
This isn't about liberals or conservatives.. you are the one politicizing the issue.. certainly not me or the President.
If it makes you happy to think so, go right on believing that making something illegal will stop it form happening. Tell that to the crack heads, tell that to the guy at the next show you are at when he sparks up a joint. Bammy politicized the hole issue with his campaign speech (BTW will someone tell him that the election is over) in CT when he disrespected the families. Since talking to you is like talking to a brick, I'll let you go on with your rants. If you decide to make a solid, well reasoned, cogent point let me know and I'll come back.
Dude, give it a rest. Romney lost. Fucking deal with it and stop crying all the time.
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Guns do not protect more than they destroy. They do not save more lives than they kill. They do not safeguard more families than they devastate. They do not add security more than they add fear, suspicion, antagonism and hate. As has been pointed out again and again: Guns, by there very existence, insist on their own use. And their use is, singularly and without reservation, death. (http://blog.sfgate.com/morford/2012/12/18/death-to-all-guns/)
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Guns do not protect more than they destroy. They do not save more lives than they kill. They do not safeguard more families than they devastate. They do not add security more than they add fear, suspicion, antagonism and hate. As has been pointed out again and again: Guns, by there very existence, insist on their own use. And their use is, singularly and without reservation, death. (http://blog.sfgate.com/morford/2012/12/18/death-to-all-guns/)
that article is a great read. thanks.
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Thank you for this article. My views have been changed by what has been happening. I know many people who are gun collectors, and have a wide variety of assault weapons because they live in the country and use them for target practice.
But, what other purpose do they really serve? And would it really be that big of a deal if they weren't sold anymore? So people wouldn't have the "cool" guns anymore. I don't think I care about that any longer.
I think what happened in the movie theater, at the mall, and at the school should be enough for Americans to really think about WHY they feel like they need to have these types of weapons.
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because they think they can overthrow the government with them
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My former boss is a facebook friend and he just posted a link to a video to "Mike Huckabee" blaiming the shooting on the lack of prayer in public school. And my former boss posted "Well said".
Should i respond to this post or just delete him from facebook?
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delete from facebook.
fuck it, just delete facebook in general. you'll be happier.
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I find it's best to just "hide" those posts. Trying to respond to that sort of thing just makes me more angry.
Someone I know the day after election day posted about how the country had lost its morality by re-electing Obama. She got deleted.
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That's what i keep telling my wife, but she doesn't listen. Who needs facebook when you have this board?
fuck it, just delete facebook in general. you'll be happier.
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Who needs facebook when you have this board?
yeah, sure, but you can't "like" things on this board. fail!
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hey RB,
europe and canada have less guns and more laws... and they don't have nearly the number of mass shootings that the US does. like once a decade instead of several times a year.
you're proposing that more guns and less laws will make us safer despite evidence to the contrary.
discuss.
That's what I thought. Nothing but fucking crickets.
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Don't delete on FB. Just block their feed from your timeline, that way if you have to go back and see their timeline, you can. Plus they won't try to re-add you as a friend later and thus put you in an awkward spot...
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Don't delete on FB. Just block their feed from your timeline, that way if you have to go back and see their timeline, you can. Plus they won't try to re-add you as a friend later and thus put you in an awkward spot...
Who cares if it's awkward. Do we really have to justify to someone why we don't want to hear where they had lunch or what was on their kid's report card? Beyond just telling them "I don't really know you, and I don't really care what you ate for lunch today."?
Now lets get back to talking about how Obama is coming for our guns.
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Who cares if it's awkward. Do we really have to justify to someone why we don't want to hear where they had lunch or what was on their kid's report card? Beyond just telling them "I don't really know you, and I don't really care what you ate for lunch today."?
Because you never know what life has in store for you and when you made need to reach out to someone. You don't have to heed my advice, but I wanted to point out that there was a much simpler scenario than deleting folks individually.
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Who cares if it's awkward. Do we really have to justify to someone why we don't want to hear where they had lunch or what was on their kid's report card? Beyond just telling them "I don't really know you, and I don't really care what you ate for lunch today."?
Because you never know what life has in store for you and when you made need to reach out to someone. You don't have to heed my advice, but I wanted to point out that there was a much simpler scenario than deleting folks individually.
I hear ya. I just got a different style, that's all. It takes a village.
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Well, we better nuke up then.
Times have changed. Don't you think our founding fathers would have had the sense to adapt to the times and to an evolving society? Or were they just a bunch of flashlight collectors too?
And just for the record, it's a widely held belief that the above quote is, in fact, a misquote. And a substantial one at that.
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so because he said that in 1787 it applies today? (not to mention I strongly suspect they wanted the masses armed to the teeth because they didn't really have a professional army yet and were fearful the English would re-attack, etc.)
Be real man.. they also had slaves, treated women like shit, etc etc... but we changed... same goes with guns.
Times change..some things have to adapt.
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I don't mean to make light of the Constitution. But can't the pro gun lobby/population do anything to defend their point other than invoke it?
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Well, we better nuke up then.
Times have changed. Don't you think our founding fathers would have had the sense to adapt to the times and to an evolving society? Or were they just a bunch of flashlight collectors too?
And just for the record, it's a widely held belief that the above quote it, in fact, a misquote.
Seriously! A good shooter could only get off 3 shots from a musket in a minute.
http://www.history.com/videos/musket-loading-how-fast#musket-loading-how-fast (http://www.history.com/videos/musket-loading-how-fast#musket-loading-how-fast)
I'd go along with Washington's dubious quote when we all go back to muskets and wooden dentures.
Today's weapons are designed for mass destruction in the most accurate and fastest time possible. More bang & blood with less thinking. Mutually assured destruction always leads to the innocent dying.
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I don't mean to make light of the Constitution. But can't the pro gun lobby/population do anything to defend their point other than invoke it?
Buy that man a beer!
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Pretty sure our founding fathers, many of whom were brilliant men who also had a very pronounced pedagogical interest, would not stand for it when people said to them "But the constitution you wrote protects the right to buy multiple weapons, semi-assault rifles, ammunition clips and carry them wherever and in some cases even concealed!" I'm supposed to believe Thomas Jefferson who went to great lengths to found what is now the University of Virginia, in the wake of the Viriginia Tech shootings would say "Hey, nothing we can do..." Or that people like John Adams, extremely learned, would say "Hey they are just crazy people! Watchagonnado bro? People is bad!" Our founding fathers were obsessed with looking at what other countries were doing, with studying history, with comparative government, with picking the best things, expanding on them, learning, PROGRESS... but yeah, they wrote the Constitution, added the Bill of Rights, and then figured "That's it! Done for eternity! Never to be bettered!"
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Just fyi...the actual quote is:
"A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well-digested plan is requisite; and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories as tend to render them independent of others for essential, particularly military, supplies."
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does anybody seriously think they're going to overthrow the government? the arch-conservatives are certain that Obama is a muslim anti-american communist-fascist who is going to destroy society as we know it, etc etc etc... but where are the armed masses? why aren't they "defending themselves from the government", the supposedly worse one we've ever known? if ever there was a time for second amendment nutjobs to rise up, now is the time!
but... once again, crickets. why? because an armed takeover of the government is impossible today. ask the branch davidians, crazies in cabins in montana, etc. like slavery, armed uprisings don't fit in this day and age. saying that you need an AK-47 to "defend yourself against the government" is a lie and a criminally negligent excuse.
this so-called justification for keeping guns is NULL AND VOID.
(p.s. note his use of the term "disciplined" in chaz's correction - as in belonging to a trained militia. not redneck yahoos who want to own assault rifles because it makes them feel manly).
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(p.s. note his use of the term "disciplined" in chaz's correction - as in belonging to a trained militia. not redneck yahoos who want to own assault rifles because it makes them feel manly).
and boy was GW into discipline.. to the point he used a pseudo machine/contraption called a "horse" to punish/torture loafers, etc..
John Adams, one of the key founding fathers, thought the US form of government would evolve fairly quickly.. there is no way he though the Constitution and its Bill of Rights would be taken as sacred word not to be ever re-interpreted...
He'd be shocked, as I think would most founding fathers, to see we are still governed by it. The idea that we would interpret their words in the Constitution to mean that people should have access to multiple semi-automatic rifles, ammo clips etc would be foreign to them...
Really it is the Supreme Court that has failed us more than anything...I'm not sure why their rulings on this issue are so out of wack with common sense.
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does anybody seriously think they're going to overthrow the government?
Does anybody seriously think they're going to change ratbastard's mind?
And more importantly, does it matter?
I hope each of you puts as much effort into changing the minds of Federally elected officials. All the power is in their hands right now...
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does anybody seriously think they're going to overthrow the government?
Does anybody seriously think they're going to change ratbastard's mind?
And more importantly, does it matter?
I hope each of you puts as much effort into changing the minds of Federally elected officials. All the power is in their hands right now...
Because Newtown happened dude and its on everyone's mind. It is not so easy to shake it off, dig? Having the conversation is a good idea..
I actually think the effort should be focused on creating a lobby/interest group to advocate for gun control..
10 million people * 100 = $1 billion
we need a group like the NRA to lobby for gun control.... we can write our senators til we're blue in the face but if they know the NRA is going to go after them hard when they're up for reelection I don't see much happening..
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does anybody seriously think they're going to overthrow the government?
Does anybody seriously think they're going to change ratbastard's mind?
And more importantly, does it matter?
I hope each of you puts as much effort into changing the minds of Federally elected officials. All the power is in their hands right now...
does ratbastard really believe what he is saying or is he trolling?
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Is this what they used to call "fuzzy math"?
10 million people * 100 million = $1 billion
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Don't delete on FB. Just block their feed from your timeline, that way if you have to go back and see their timeline, you can. Plus they won't try to re-add you as a friend later and thus put you in an awkward spot...
i doubt i would want to see his timeline. Actually maybe I can just block everyone. I do like to post photos on facebook but most people just post annoying things. I did block this women's feed who kept posting about how she can't believe how stupid everyone in this state (MD) is that they elected Obama. I didn't vote for Obama but calling everyone stupid I found offensive. Plus her reasons were like all my taxes are going to pay for people (minority reference) don't have to work. I am sure she doesn't pay very much in taxes. Very annoying.
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Is this what they used to call "fuzzy math"?
10 million people * 100 million = $1 billion
i think he meant 100 dollars. I doubt he could find 10 million people that had 100 million to give away.
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The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again," the group said. It plans to hold "a major news conference (http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/18/politics/nra-silence-regrouping/index.html?hpt=hp_c3)" on Friday and both their Facebook and Twitter presences are active again.
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Thanx
yeah 100$ * 10 million people = $1 billion... I hope.
a nice launchpad for a group to target pro gun advocates and support gun control advocates
Only way to do anything
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The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again," the group said. It plans to hold "a major news conference (http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/18/politics/nra-silence-regrouping/index.html?hpt=hp_c3)" on Friday and both their Facebook and Twitter presences are active again.
This is titillating but I wouldn't hold your breath.
This from the group that literally stuck their heads in the sand for days after it happened. Fuck the NRA.
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this is near where i live . . . the ass was trying to prove some point. dumb ass.
http://www.nvdaily.com/news/2012/12/local-man-arrested-at-school-with-board-labeled-high-powered-rife.php
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this is near where i live . . . the ass was trying to prove some point. dumb ass.
http://www.nvdaily.com/news/2012/12/local-man-arrested-at-school-with-board-labeled-high-powered-rife.php
Wait wait wait a minute...his right to carry that sign into the school is protected by The Constitution. That absolves him of any duty to decency, respect or common sense.
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11/27/2012
Virginia Commonwealth University Professor Thomas Baker has crunched the numbers in the state of Virginia, and has determined that gun sales in the state have climbed 73% since 2006, while the number of violent crimes involving guns has declined by more than 27%.
For years, we've heard the shrill voices of those who hate your guns. "More guns on the street means more crime!" "More guns equals more murder!" and so on. And yet, clearly that's not the case. So now the gun ban crowd is changing its tune.
Andrew Goddard, a gun control advocate in Virginia, told WTOP radio, "It's quite possible that you can sell a whole lot more guns and crime is still going down. But is the crime going down because more people are buying guns, or is the crime going down because the crime is going down?"
I don't know anyone who thinks a decline in violent crime can be attributed to a single factor. That's not the point. The point is that, despite Goddard's new assertion, the anti-gunners have been telling us that what's happening in Virginia is impossible. The point is people like Andrew Goddard think that Virginians would be safer with Chicago-style gun control laws, even though that flies in the face of logic and reality.
The point is, gun owners and the NRA have been right all along. It's the criminals, not the law-abiding gun owners, who are the issue. More guns, less crime isn't just "quite possible," it's a fact.
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HEY BAMMY ---> GOP senator demands answers after a gun belonging to a former assistant ATF office chief was found at the scene of a November cartel shootout with the Mexican military that left five dead, including a Mexican beauty queen.
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HEY YOU FUCKTARD IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHY NOT TAKE ACTION ABOUT THIS? --
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12/19/conditions-in-notorious-mexican-prison-worsens-jon-hammar-ptsd-family-fears/
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good work avoiding the questions, RB.
HEY YOU FUCKTARD IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHY NOT TAKE ACTION ABOUT THIS? --
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12/19/conditions-in-notorious-mexican-prison-worsens-jon-hammar-ptsd-family-fears/
change of subject - when losing one battle, try a different one. great strategy!
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Please do not refer to the President that way. You can disagree, but that is extremely disrespectful.
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Please do not refer to the President that way. You can disagree, but that is extremely disrespectful.
And besides, the fucktard left office almost 4 years ago.
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The point is, gun owners and the NRA have been right all along. It's the criminals, not the law-abiding gun owners, who are the issue. More guns, less crime isn't just "quite possible," it's a fact.
a massacre = one crime event
one massacre != armed robbery, etc.
you cant equate a massacre to crime statistics.
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obama is going to repeal the 2nd amendment and then he is coming to your house to take your guns
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Obama sending drone to ratbastard shithole
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obama is going to repeal the 2nd amendment and then he is coming to your house to take your guns
semi automatic sales are up at walmart
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Sales of kids? bulletproof backpacks soar
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/sales-of-kids-bullet-proof-backpacks-soar/2012/12/20/6cba668a-4a1e-11e2-820e-17eefac2f939_story.html
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thats great . . . lets hope they teach the kids to only walk backwards now.
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obama is going to repeal the 2nd amendment and then he is coming to your house to take your guns
semi automatic sales are up at walmart
i started to think I am going to boycott walmart but I already do. I guess only gun nuts shop at walmart anyway.
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+1,000,000 for this!
NRA PRESS CONFERENCE
12/21/2012
The National Rifle Association's 4 million mothers, fathers, sons and daughters join the nation in horror, outrage, grief and earnest prayer for the families of Newtown, Connecticut ... who suffered such incomprehensible loss as a result of this unspeakable crime.
Out of respect for those grieving families, and until the facts are known, the NRA has refrained from comment. While some have tried to exploit tragedy for political gain, we have remained respectfully silent.
Now, we must speak ... for the safety of our nation's children. Because for all the noise and anger directed at us over the past week, no one ? nobody ? has addressed the most important, pressing and immediate question we face: How do we protect our children right now, starting today, in a way that we know works?
The only way to answer that question is to face up to the truth. Politicians pass laws for Gun-Free School Zones. They issue press releases bragging about them. They post signs advertising them.
And in so doing, they tell every insane killer in America that schools are their safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk.
How have our nation's priorities gotten so far out of order? Think about it. We care about our money, so we protect our banks with armed guards. American airports, office buildings, power plants, courthouses ? even sports stadiums ? are all protected by armed security.
We care about the President, so we protect him with armed Secret Service agents. Members of Congress work in offices surrounded by armed Capitol Police officers.
Yet when it comes to the most beloved, innocent and vulnerable members of the American family ? our children ? we as a society leave them utterly defenseless, and the monsters and predators of this world know it and exploit it. That must change now!
The truth is that our society is populated by an unknown number of genuine monsters ? people so deranged, so evil, so possessed by voices and driven by demons that no sane person can possibly ever comprehend them. They walk among us every day. And does anybody really believe that the next Adam Lanza isn't planning his attack on a school he's already identified at this very moment?
How many more copycats are waiting in the wings for their moment of fame ? from a national media machine that rewards them with the wall-to-wall attention and sense of identity that they crave ? while provoking others to try to make their mark?
A dozen more killers? A hundred? More? How can we possibly even guess how many, given our nation's refusal to create an active national database of the mentally ill?
And the fact is, that wouldn't even begin to address the much larger and more lethal criminal class: Killers, robbers, rapists and drug gang members who have spread like cancer in every community in this country. Meanwhile, federal gun prosecutions have decreased by 40% ? to the lowest levels in a decade.
So now, due to a declining willingness to prosecute dangerous criminals, violent crime is increasing again for the first time in 19 years! Add another hurricane, terrorist attack or some other natural or man-made disaster, and you've got a recipe for a national nightmare of violence and victimization.
And here's another dirty little truth that the media try their best to conceal: There exists in this country a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people.
Through vicious, violent video games with names like Bulletstorm, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat and Splatterhouse. And here's one: it's called Kindergarten Killers. It's been online for 10 years. How come
my research department could find it and all of yours either couldn't or didn't want anyone to know you had found it?
Then there's the blood-soaked slasher films like "American Psycho" and "Natural Born Killers" that are aired like propaganda loops on "Splatterdays" and every day, and a thousand music videos that portray life as a joke and murder as a way of life. And then they have the nerve to call it "entertainment."
But is that what it really is? Isn't fantasizing about killing people as a way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography?
In a race to the bottom, media conglomerates compete with one another to shock, violate and offend every standard of civilized society by bringing an ever-more-toxic mix of reckless behavior and criminal cruelty into our homes ? every minute of every day of every month of every year.
A child growing up in America witnesses 16,000 murders and 200,000 acts of violence by the time he or she reaches the ripe old age of 18.
And throughout it all, too many in our national media ... their corporate owners ... and their stockholders ... act as silent enablers, if not complicit co-conspirators. Rather than face their own moral failings, the media demonize lawful gun owners, amplify their cries for more laws and fill the national debate with misinformation and dishonest thinking that only delay meaningful action and all but guarantee that the next atrocity is only a news cycle away.
The media call semi-automatic firearms "machine guns" ? they claim these civilian semi-automatic firearms are used by the military, and they tell us that the .223 round is one of the most powerful rifle calibers ... when all of these claims are factually untrue. They don't know what they're talking about!
Worse, they perpetuate the dangerous notion that one more gun ban ? or one more law imposed on peaceful, lawful people ? will protect us where 20,000 others have failed!
As brave, heroic and self-sacrificing as those teachers were in those classrooms, and as prompt, professional and well-trained as those police were when they responded, they were unable ? through no fault of their own ? to stop it.
As parents, we do everything we can to keep our children safe. It is now time for us to assume responsibility for their safety at school. The only way to stop a monster from killing our kids is to be personally involved and invested in a plan of absolute protection. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Would you rather have your 911 call bring a good guy with a gun from a mile away ... or a minute away?
Now, I can imagine the shocking headlines you'll print tomorrow morning: "More guns," you'll claim, "are the NRA's answer to everything!" Your implication will be that guns are evil and have no place in society, much less in our schools. But since when did the word "gun" automatically become a bad word?
A gun in the hands of a Secret Service agent protecting the President isn't a bad word. A gun in the hands of a soldier protecting the United States isn't a bad word. And when you hear the glass breaking in your living room at 3 a.m. and call 911, you won't be able to pray hard enough for a gun in the hands of a good guy to get there fast enough to protect you.
So why is the idea of a gun good when it's used to protect our President or our country or our police, but bad when it's used to protect our children in their schools?
They're our kids. They're our responsibility. And it's not just our duty to protect them ? it's our right to protect them.
You know, five years ago, after the Virginia Tech tragedy, when I said we should put armed security in every school, the media called me crazy. But what if, when Adam Lanza started shooting his way into Sandy Hook Elementary School last Friday, he had been confronted by qualified, armed security?
Will you at least admit it's possible that 26 innocent lives might have been spared? Is that so abhorrent to you that you would rather continue to risk the alternative?
Is the press and political class here in Washington so consumed by fear and hatred of the NRA and America's gun owners that you're willing to accept a world where real resistance to evil monsters is a lone, unarmed school principal left to surrender her life to shield the children in her care? No one ? regardless of personal political prejudice ? has the right to impose that sacrifice.
Ladies and gentlemen, there is no national, one-size-fits-all solution to protecting our children. But do know this President zeroed out school emergency planning grants in last year's budget, and scrapped "Secure Our Schools" policing grants in next year's budget.
With all the foreign aid, with all the money in the federal budget, we can't afford to put a police officer in every school? Even if they did that, politicians have no business ? and no authority ? denying us the right, the ability, or the moral imperative to protect ourselves and our loved ones from harm.
Now, the National Rifle Association knows that there are millions of qualified active and retired police; active, reserve and retired military; security professionals; certified firefighters and rescue personnel; and an extraordinary corps of patriotic, trained qualified citizens to join with local school officials and police in devising a protection plan for every school. We can deploy them to protect our kids now. We can immediately make America's schools safer ? relying on the brave men and women of America's police force.
The budget of our local police departments are strained and resources are limited, but their dedication and courage are second to none and they can be deployed right now.
I call on Congress today to act immediately, to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every school ? and to do it now, to make sure that blanket of safety is in place when our children return to school in January.
Before Congress reconvenes, before we engage in any lengthy debate over legislation, regulation or anything else, as soon as our kids return to school after the holiday break, we need to have every single school in America immediately deploy a protection program proven to work ? and by that I mean armed security.
Right now, today, every school in the United States should plan meetings with parents, school administrators, teachers and local authorities ? and draw upon every resource available ? to erect a cordon of protection around our kids right now. Every school will have a different solution based on its own unique situation.
Every school in America needs to immediately identify, dedicate and deploy the resources necessary to put these security forces in place right now. And the National Rifle Association, as America's preeminent trainer of law enforcement and security personnel for the past 50 years, is ready, willing and uniquely qualified to help.
Our training programs are the most advanced in the world. That expertise must be brought to bear to protect our schools and our children now. We did it for the nation's defense industries and military installations during World War II, and we'll do it for our schools today.
The NRA is going to bring all of its knowledge, dedication and resources to develop a model National School Shield Emergency Response Program for every school that wants it. From armed security to building design and access control to information technology to student and teacher training, this multi-faceted program will be developed by the very best experts in their fields.
Former Congressman Asa Hutchinson will lead this effort as National Director of the National School Shield Program, with a budget provided by the NRA of whatever scope the task requires. His experience as a U.S. Attorney, Director of the Drug Enforcement Agency and Undersecretary of the Department of Homeland Security will give him the knowledge and expertise to hire the most knowledgeable and credentialed experts available anywhere, to get this program up and running from the first day forward.
If we truly cherish our kids more than our money or our celebrities, we must give them the greatest level of protection possible and the security that is only available with a properly trained ? armed ? good guy.
Under Asa's leadership, our team of security experts will make this the best program in the world for protecting our children at school, and we will make that program available to every school in America free of charge.
That's a plan of action that can, and will, make a real, positive and indisputable difference in the safety of our children ? starting right now.
There'll be time for talk and debate later. This is the time, this is the day for decisive action.
We can't wait for the next unspeakable crime to happen before we act. We can't lose precious time debating legislation that won't work. We mustn't allow politics or personal prejudice to divide us. We must act now.
For the sake of the safety of every child in America, I call on every parent, every teacher, every school administrator and every law enforcement officer in this country to join us in the National School Shield Program and protect our children with the only line of positive defense that's tested and proven to work.
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The NRA running a school safety program is like Budweiser running Alcoholics Anonymous.
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I admire you guys for attempting to have a dialogue with reknown retard RatBastard and am not surprised at all that he continues to be his usual ignorant asinine self. In fact, it's kind of comforting. Look at the arc of American history -- progressives pretty much always win in the end. It takes awhile to get past the RatBastard dimwitted roadblocks but it happens eventually.
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The NRA is fucking irrelevant in this conversation. They're a lobbying group funded by weapons manufacturers from all over the world.
Guess what OPERATION SCHOOL SHIELD requires above all else??? MORE GUNS YIPPEEE.
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I didn't read ratbastard post from the NRA. I assume it said something like it is every parents responsiblity to arm their children and they are totally awful parent for not giving their child at least a glock or two.
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I didn't read ratbastard post from the NRA. I assume it said something like it is every parents responsiblity to arm their children and they are totally awful parent for not giving their child at least a glock or two.
I read it out of curiosity over their teaser the other day of a "significant contribution" to this problem. Basically an op ed about our failing society.
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NRA blames Video Games, The Media, Hurricanes, Foreign Aid, and Gun Free Zone signs.
Also wants armed guards at every school.
amazing.
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There should be a gun tax sufficient to cover mental health coverage for anybody who wants it.
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There should be a gun tax sufficient to cover mental health coverage for anybody who wants it.
OMG yes. Very, very good point.
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NRA blames Video Games, The Media, Hurricanes, Foreign Aid, and Gun Free Zone signs.
Also wants armed guards at every school.
amazing.
Well their opinion on the subject is as relevant as Jerry Sandusky's opinion on fixing the child molestation issues in the country.
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There should be a gun tax sufficient to cover mental health coverage for anybody who wants it.
OMG yes. Very, very good point.
why can't victims sue gun manufactures? I think that would pretty much solve the problem by bankrupting every company.
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NRA calls for armed guards in every U.S. school
Barely 90 minutes after the United States observed a moment of silence in memory of Newtown?s victims, the National Rifle Association revealed what is needed to stop more senseless tragedies like the one that forever changed the country a week ago: More guns.
No one should have been surprised by NRA executive vice-president?s Wayne LaPierre?s Friday call to place armed police guards in every U.S. school, even if the massacre of 20 children in Newtown was supposed to have changed the conversation on gun control.
The NRA did not become arguably the most powerful lobby group in the United States by caving in at the first sign of a fight. Its move to use the Newtown tragedy to push its agenda for more guns, in a country that already has an estimated 250 million or so of them in private hands, is a warning to the politicians now contemplating gun control.
?We can't lose precious time debating legislation that won't work,? Mr. LaPierre insisted at a Friday ?press conference? at which he took no questions and was interrupted twice by gun control activists, one with a banner reading: ?The NRA is killing our children.?
The media, a strident Mr. LaPierre added, ?perpetuate the dangerous notion that one more gun ban ? or one more law imposed on peaceful, lawful people ? will protect us where 20,000 others have failed.?
For those hoping the NRA was about to turn over a new leaf when it said earlier this week that it intended to offer ?meaningful contributions? to prevent a repetition of Newtown, Friday?s let down was manifest.
No one expected the organization to outright endorse a new ban on assault weapons or high-capacity ammunition clips. But by signalling its active opposition to such measures, passing them just became a lot harder, if not impossible.
continued: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/nra-calls-for-armed-guards-in-every-us-school/article6634393/
(emphasis mine)
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Meanwhile, Columbine and Virginia Tech had armed security onsite when their respective massacres occured. But still, great plan NRA.
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of course the NRA wants guns in every school...they are the lobbying arm of gun manufacturers, so guns in every school = great business for gun companies
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today's press conf by the NRA was a good development in the national dialogue, because they laid bare how out of touch with mainstream sentiment they are.
*if* they had any sense of strategy, they would have laid low, made some pretty statements about working through the issue, and waited for the storm to blow over while working behind the scenes. instead, they've made a stand.
a big, stupid, isolationist stand.
observe how well that approach has worked for the tea party and other off-flavors of conservatism. my prediction: the NRA will lose influence in the coming years. it will become easier for politicians to say "no" to the NRA.
the country is moving forward while the NRA is trying to throw down anchors. they will be left behind.
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If they allow guns in school and it happens again, it's because there aren't armed guards in every room. If it happens with an armed guard, it's because there aren't enough armed guards. If it happens again, it's because the schools aren't militarized with enough weaponry to protect the couple of hundred kids in this school.
The logic is fucked and insanely laughable.
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two words
home school
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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/21/16069042-pennsylvania-gunman-kills-woman-in-church-two-other-people-before-dying-in-exchange-with-police?lite
thank you nra!
i guess we need armed guards in all churches now!
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'Keep in mind that all of this is deliberately designed to serve an overarching strategic goal ? distraction. The NRA absolutely must keep the focus off of the problem of easy gun availability, and what can be done about it, for as long as possible.
The media narrative the NRA hopes for out of this presser is twofold: NRA criticizes media for maligning gun owners; and NRA calls for armed security guards in schools. This is standard obfuscation from the NRA, which always tries to distract from the discussion about the need for reform by characterizing the push for it as driven by elite cultural disdain for gun culture and ordinary gun owners. And focusing only on schools is about diverting the conversation away from the broader epidemic of gun violence.'
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2012/12/21/nra-resorts-to-its-usual-tricks-obfuscation-and-distraction/
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A British news organization had to say "this is not a spoof" repeatedly when covering the NRA press conference according to Twitter.
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Obama urges lawmakers to make one last try for fiscal crisis deal, leaves for Hawaii... LOL That fucking retard has not been in DC long enough to wipe his ass let alone actually do work as President and he is taking a trip to Hawaii? Fuck you you god damn libtard socialist fuck. So you are too spineless to do your job. You run around with all kinds of guns protecting your lame ass, yet you won't work on the economy and you want to scare Americans into taking more ineffective action AND we have to pay for all your play time! How the fuck do you sleep at night?
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How many guns do you own?
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wow just when you thought the level of trolling couldn't get any lower...
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Obama urges lawmakers to make one last try for fiscal crisis deal, leaves for Hawaii... LOL That fucking retard has not been in DC long enough to wipe his ass let alone actually do work as President and he is taking a trip to Hawaii? Fuck you you god damn libtard socialist fuck. So you are too spineless to do your job. You run around with all kinds of guns protecting your lame ass, yet you won't work on the economy and you want to scare Americans into taking more ineffective action AND we have to pay for all your play time! How the fuck do you sleep at night?
i know this is your whole schtick on the board, but seriously dude - you shouldn't have this much anger/aggression at your age and health.
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"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
Thomas Jefferson
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Again, Thomas Jefferson has never seen the AR-15.
Want to carry around a musket? Go right ahead.
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One gets off 800 rounds a minute. The other, a resounding 1.
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no but seriously guys - jefferson said it so it must be true.
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didnt he write a funny bible with all the good stuff taken out?
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Time to ban hot plates!
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/22/16095857-two-toddlers-die-in-chicago-apartment-fire-no-adults-were-home?lite
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to cut through all the bullshit . . . i know people love hearing themselves talk, i do all the time, thats why i do it, but go watch this and take a moment of your time to thank god you are "sane."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/kinkel/
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to cut through all the bullshit . . . i know people love hearing themselves talk, i do all the time, thats why i do it, but go watch this and take a moment of your time to thank god you are "sane."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/kinkel/
Wow I watched this so many years ago. Think I was still in high school. It fucked with me for a while. Especially the tape of him toward the end.
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http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/chi-firefighter-shot-new-york-20121224,0,1901739.story (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/chi-firefighter-shot-new-york-20121224,0,1901739.story)
what are there 10000 stories like these for every story where someone used a gun to protect themselves.
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You know what the solution is, right?
Give all firefighters guns! Just in case they need to fight people as they are fighting fires.
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remember the days of yore . . . when the villagers would raise up their pitchforks and spears, going into the countryside causing mayhem and taking from the others?
it's back.
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this guy's good.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/12/23/cnns_don_lemon_on_gun_control_should_we_start_profiling_white_men.html
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You know what the solution is, right?
Give all firefighters guns! Just in case they need to fight people as they are fighting fires.
don't hold your breathe for a response . . . he hasn't heard of such a story . . . it's only on every news source on the net . . . except drudge.
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http://redflagnews.com/headlines/glenn-beck-obama-destined-for-prison-at-this-point-you-can-begin-to-make-a-case-for-treason
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http://redflagnews.com/headlines/glenn-beck-obama-destined-for-prison-at-this-point-you-can-begin-to-make-a-case-for-treason
glen beck? that's funny.
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hey RB, time to go back to trolling school.
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Yeah, you just gave yourself totally away.
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RatBastard I love you, but seriously - we get it, you hate the president. stop trying to turn every single action he takes/makes into a negative thing.
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Well it's a good thing that there are liberal leaning hipsters out there brewing craft beers and it's illegal to smuggle guns and tobacco sales are way down.
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it is a simple equation
people who have never really done anything with their lives . . . argue pointlessly with each other about anything to feel as if they have
carry on
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gee thanks walkie... i'm going to spend the rest of my day listening to The Smiths and then cook a batch of meth
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i thought this image was posted the image as a joke and then I saw who posted it and find it sad that someone could actually believe the message and think it was a good thing.
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further highlighting the idiocy of the guntards. america was also founded by rural farmers who had 10 kids and died at age 38 of typhoid and dysentery - i.e. NOTHING like the america we have today. if you're going to get all historical about this, let's go all the way.
gun owners are not protecting the republic from anything. if you think your gun will protect you from "a tyrannical government" then you're as idiotic as you sound. RB, i've pointed out the lunacy of these statements previously and asked you some pointed questions... yet you ignored them and keep spewing this mental drivel. keep up the hate. it'll serve you well.
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I wish I had posted before the argument moved to arguing about arguing. . .
The gunzos forget the part about responsible gun ownership. I don't think anyone (except those on the far left) is really talking about total outlawing of guns, but neither are people talking about what responsible means. I understand the scare tactics of the NRA, entertainment is more violent, but doesn't that statement also go against some of the other rhetoric that the "right" espouses, free enterprise and market demand? Why can we/they speak out against violence in the entertainment sphere but not in the real world.
After 9/11 (hope it's not too soon to invoke) George W. Bush (a president I was not fond of, but wouldn't go so far as to libel, or disparage on a personal level in a public sphere. . . nothing nice to say and all. . . but I do think he tried to make a positive impact on certain things that his party spent the past two cycles trying to demonize. . . Immigration reform to name one... You don't have to be a dick to be partisan. Also I am sorry for the long aside, but I just finished reading Shame by Salman Rushdie so. . . digression city) told people to go on about their lives "get down to Disney" shop. With what money though? A lot of spending was done on the credit card (or credit as a system of transaction). Now this same party wants to obstruct normal functions like debt ceiling talks (also up for negotiations, beyond this whole fiscal cliff jibber jabber), and call for de-funding programs, like subsidized after school aide and activities, that have been shown to help keep kids stabilized. All differing levels of irresponsibility.
. . . and as far as guns. . . let people have what they want (for the most part, and within reason), but regulate on a sliding scale (though I will admit I am not experienced in the differences between the regulations for buying an AR or AK versus a six shooter pistol). Require not just background checks, but credit checks (I mean you can't get a job without one), check Facebook pages (again job scouts look at them), if something comes up, require mental evaluations (and possibly updates), maybe require owners to purchase insurance (new income streams) and update this information regularly.
I love the car analogy because of these reasons of which I kept on coming back to when talking to a co-worker about it the day of.
Before you buy a car (in theory) you have to get a permit, it requires a test (and yes some people just wing it) to show you have adequate fluency in the basic theory of driving. You then (in many states, it's been awhile I don't know how wide reaching this is) have to take lessons in driving from a (qualified, arguably) professional, showing time spent in practice. Then you take a separate test, (and granted again sometimes not the hardest, but sometimes very relevant. I took a road test and failed several times for not understanding the difference between the practice of driving and the laws of driving) proving the knowledge of theory in relation to practice (I am against parking lot driving tests, maybe just jealous). Then you get your license, which has to be renewed regularly and is subject to confiscation for misuse. Also, more is required of you as your abilities become compromised (my grandmother is still on the road so effectiveness, debatable).
All of this regulation is for automobiles, which serve a multitude of purposes (but also cause on average well more than the amount of deaths that guns cause) as opposed to guns, (and I say this with no antipathy) which only have the purpose of destroying something (from inanimate targets, to lives). You also can't sell a car (regardless of how/where) without transferring the title and then registering it with your local government. . . All I'm saying is I guess that gun ownership is a privilege, like driving. Shouldn't it take more than it currently does to prove that a person can take responsibility for having said privilege? I am leaving out other things (like in home safety, ability of non-permit holders to handle guns owned by permitted owners). . .
But, this post has gone on so long that no one will read it. . . and it could be so boring as to serve to at least end this topic. . . but maybe I'm taking too much credit.
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gee thanks walkie... i'm going to spend the rest of my day listening to The Smiths and then cook a batch of meth
sorry ;)
just trying to end this thread anyway possible
maybe i'll post naked men holding cats in it, next
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this thread will never end
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sorry i yelled at you the other day
i was really sick
i don't even know why i yelled at you now
i did yell at you, didn't i?
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I wish I had posted before the argument moved to arguing about arguing. . .
The gunzos forget the part about responsible gun ownership. I don't think anyone (except those on the far left) is really talking about total outlawing of guns, but neither are people talking about what responsible means.
All guns should be banned. There are countries that are much safer than ours where even the police are not allowed guns. Total banning of guns is the solution. But we can start by banning anything that has a clip. But the solution is getting rid of them all. If someone shoots you with a sawed off shutgun you still die. I don't see the point of keeping any guns in ciruclation to the public. More people are killed in single incidents than are killed in mass shootings. The mass shootings just get more publlicity.
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hutch . . . where do you keep all of your cds and lps?
i used to be so anti download, so anti anything but cds. i hated the fact that the artist was getting shit on. azag used to frown at me. but then i realized, where do i keep putting all this space? i had to go cd less, no more tangible media of any kind. i got rid of it all, except special edition stuff or hard to find out of print box stuff. dvds too. no more.
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I have this.
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/00208646/
Each shelf space is big enough to accommodate 12" LPs.
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what are your ambitions in life, atomicfront? do you have dreams unfilled. i do. i'm realizing slowly that i have wasted my life on working jobs and relationing humans. i suffered myslef into a box where i was doing nothing but pleasing others and never myself. a map to complete and a hand that will not write it. i almost died. it wakes you up. i don't like the new vision it gave me; it shows all the failures out front, but also an incentive to achieve.
don't almost die to understand the universe . . . it might be too late.
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what are your ambitions in life, atomicfront? do you have dreams unfilled. i do. i'm realizing slowly that i have wasted my life on working jobs and relationing humans. i suffered myslef into a box where i was doing nothing but pleasing others and never myself. a map to complete and a hand that will not write it. i almost died. it wakes you up. i don't like the new vision it gave me; it shows all the failures out front, but also an incentive to achieve.
don't almost die to understand the universe . . . it might be too late.
my ambition is to make this country gun free and have a balanced budget, free college education, cleaner air, more parks. no my dreams will probably not be realized but I still have fun.
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i like all of that except free college education. my mother teaches at a college. who would pay the staff? pay to keep the college top o the line? are you doing something to achieve your ambition? i used to think all day about mine, dreaming this and that . . . but that is as far as it would go. i never tried. like those people who bitch about the government all day and how it should be run, but they barely graduated high school and can hardly function beyond the job they currently attempt to be good at. no effort. no try. you seem to have a good heart and a fine mind, especially if you list such admirable things to want for our country. clean air we will have. balanced budget we will have. more parks . . . seeing how we go through over 5000000 trees per year just on christmas wrapping paper, sorry about that one.
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this is what i used to think of this thread . . . until i am now slowly taking it over.
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I have this.
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/00208646/
Each shelf space is big enough to accommodate 12" LPs.
I have three of those in my basement...the 4*4 ones.. I also have a 2*4.... and two 2*2 ones..my main record storage units actually... for a total of 64 cubes... I think each one holds about 90 records.. then I have a few crummy shelves for the rest..
i have destroyed so many bookshelves with all my records its nice to find something that actually works...
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I have this.
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/00208646/
Each shelf space is big enough to accommodate 12" LPs.
Their Benno DVD towers can be configured to hold CDs. 180 in regular single cases, but so many of mine are digipak or similar sleeves that I can fit 200 or more easily. $40 or $50 each, easy to build and a tiny footprint. Best CD rack ever.
And my IKEA is less than three miles away ;D
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OMG fkjaslkjfmvakefj1!!!!!!!!!!! This is huge.
hutch . . . where do you keep all of your cds and lps?
i used to be so anti download, so anti anything but cds. i hated the fact that the artist was getting shit on. azag used to frown at me. but then i realized, where do i keep putting all this space? i had to go cd less, no more tangible media of any kind. i got rid of it all, except special edition stuff or hard to find out of print box stuff. dvds too. no more.
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I've had some custom CD shelves built for me, and in the process of re-doing my liar so will post some pics when it shapes up. As far as record storage, Lowes at one point had some really nice wooden shelving units that were the right depth and height for records. Also, use to be able to get nice particle board cubes the right size for record storage which could be staged.
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you should see my comic book collection. i store it in rubbermaid containers away from the light and air. they take up space too. so much space in my room, my partner hates it and wants me to find another way. actually he wants me to sell them all and grow up. sometimes i think i will. i finally am accepting . . . that collecting is stupid.
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(http://images.tzaam.com/full/zi.jpg)
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somehow i think that picture is hiding some secret metaphor or other zanny cuteness relating to something so specific . . . that i am not smart enough yet to understand. sweetcell always posts such brainy things, i just know there is code in that camel.
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omg!
(http://static.environmentalgraffiti.com/sites/default/files/images/camelmatingcall.img_assist_custom-600x401.jpg)
this is what the inside of a camel's mouth looks like during "mating calls." no, not photoshopped. i didn't know that camels can eat anything without injuring their mouths.
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rat . . . can we get off the subject of opinions for a minute? i would rather talk about your health. didn't you have a health scare or surgery or something recently? i did as well. it was a big scare to me. i will not go into it here for it is personal and it was life changing, because yes, i almost died. i do not normally come onto public forums and throw out such information around, but i want to know you as a person, not for what you believe in. i for one would hate to see you leave. your mind is yours to have and your words are what i know you by. lets be friends and act like it. even if we never meet i would love to know you, as if we do all the time. i do not judge anymore, and i do not care. i only want to know what lies behind the walls we all put up.
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rat . . . can we get off the subject of opinions for a minute? i would rather talk about your health. didn't you have a health scare or surgery or something recently? i did as well. it was a big scare to me. i will not go into it here for it is personal and it was life changing, because yes, i almost died. i do not normally come onto public forums and throw out such information around, but i want to know you as a person, not for what you believe in. i for one would hate to see you leave. your mind is yours to have and your words are what i know you by. lets be friends and act like it. even if we never meet i would love to know you, as if we do all the time. i do not judge anymore, and i do not care. i only want to know what lies behind the walls we all put up.
Check your email! Hope all is well with your health...
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The guys does not look THAT much like Bammy but this is still funny no matter what side of teh aisle you are on.
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. . . or not. . . the birther argument was/is the worst, most tiresome argument against the President. Obama's birthplace is about as controversial as John McCain's (Panama) or George W. Romney (Mexico. . . Making Mitt an anchor baby?).
I couldn't stand when the retiree/"gainfully" unemployed elder student in my Econ class would make Obama "best interests of Kenya" jokes while attending college for free while on unemployment and collecting both Social Security and Medicare.
"American as Apple Pie". . . Misnomer, as the only native American Apples were crab apples, terrible for cooking. . . Just an aside.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84ptFVq22PY
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/1/two-systems-of-justice/
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hey rightwingnuts:
(http://media.heavy.com/media/2012/12/obamadealwith-it.gif)
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Out of respect to the families involved in this tragedy, I'm closing out this thread