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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: bearman🐻 on November 13, 2015, 06:42:02 pm
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Absolutely heartbroken, gutted, and sick at the new out of Paris...praying for a miracle at the Eagles of Death Metal show that more people won't be harmed, both there and elsewhere in the city.
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http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2015/11/eagles_of_death_12.html
Supposedly the band is OK. Thank God for that.
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just horrible news..not much else to really say.. I note Hollande just addressed the French people even though its an ongoing situation...
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Build that wall, Mr. Trump!
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First I've heard of this. I'm going to guess....radical Christians?
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First I've heard of this. I'm going to guess....radical Christians?
Reportedly they were militant "people of reason."
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The wife of an American musician playing at a concert hall that came under attack in Paris tells The Washington Post that her husband, drummer Julian Dorio, and other band members of Eagles of Death Metal are safe. An unknown number of hostages continue to be held.
?We are just holding our breath and saying prayers for everyone,? said Dorio?s wife, Emily. The pair only spoke briefly. ?He called to say that he loved me and he was safe. Everyone on stage was able to get off.?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews-live/liveblog/live-updates-attacks-in-paris/
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such a crazy work day that I had no idea until i happened to look at the 930 chat board.
more than 100 killed at the show...
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34814203
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Rachel maddow just reported something crazy
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Rachel maddow just reported something crazy
Do tell.
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I read earlier that members of Deftones were in the crowd too.
So insane. I heard about it while at work: running the door at a venue the exact same size as this one. Unnerving :(
Hope the death toll doesn't keep rising.
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What insanity. I'm glad the band is ok but this is awful. Also relieved to hear the Deftones guys are safe as well. I'm stunned.
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CBS kept reporting the shootings took place at a 'death metal concert'
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Rachel maddow just reported something crazy
Do tell.
her info was incorrect
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CBS kept reporting the shootings took place at a 'death metal concert'
According to the NY Times, the band's name is getting tossed around social media by folks who clearly don't know anything about them. Just dumb.
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Rachel maddow just reported something crazy
Do tell.
her info was incorrect
Don't ever get a job where recapping things is a requirement.
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Rachel maddow just reported something crazy
Do tell.
her info was incorrect
Don't ever get a job where recapping things is a requirement.
why recap a falsehood?
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This woman says it well.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/fathima-imra-nazeer/isis-islam-quran-literalism_b_5737388.html
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over/under on this tradgey being the cause of Space's 3rd? 4th? 5th? banning?
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Are you talking about Maddow trying to get one of the survivors to pin responsibility on the club for not having metal detectors and pat downs at the door?
"Are you saying there were no metal detectors at the door?"
"Do you mean to tell me they didn't even pat you down or search you on the way in?!?!"
"So you're saying that the security at the club was non-existent?!?!"
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over/under on this tradgey being the cause of Space's 3rd? 4th? 5th? banning?
11.5
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Are you talking about Maddow trying to get one of the survivors to pin responsibility on the club for not having metal detectors and pat downs at the door?
"Are you saying there were no metal detectors at the door?"
"Do you mean to tell me they didn't even pat you down or search you on the way in?!?!"
"So you're saying that the security at the club was non-existent?!?!"
no.. she said a staff producer had talked to someone in the EODM camp and was reporting one band member had died... she then said at the end of the show that it was not so...
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Are you talking about Maddow trying to get one of the survivors to pin responsibility on the club for not having metal detectors and pat downs at the door?
"Are you saying there were no metal detectors at the door?"
"Do you mean to tell me they didn't even pat you down or search you on the way in?!?!"
"So you're saying that the security at the club was non-existent?!?!"
no.. she said a staff producer had talked to someone in the EODM camp and was reporting one band member had died... she then said at the end of the show that it was not so...
it's not a band member, but their merch manager died. very sad news.
on a somewhat related note... media is such scum. last night the NYT, which is a garbage news outlet who thinks they write the news instead of report it, tweeted every five minutes or so the same article. get it? a bunch of people died, and you need to read their article and only their article. NYT has to pay the bills, so lets capitalize on this. whoever is in charge of their social media blitz earned their salary yesterday. maybe i should be directing my frustration towards our new media platforms: instant, sensationalized news via social media.
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Are you talking about Maddow trying to get one of the survivors to pin responsibility on the club for not having metal detectors and pat downs at the door?
"Are you saying there were no metal detectors at the door?"
"Do you mean to tell me they didn't even pat you down or search you on the way in?!?!"
"So you're saying that the security at the club was non-existent?!?!"
no.. she said a staff producer had talked to someone in the EODM camp and was reporting one band member had died... she then said at the end of the show that it was not so...
it's not a band member, but their merch manager died. very sad news.
on a somewhat related note... media is such scum. last night the NYT, which is a garbage news outlet who thinks they write the news instead of report it, tweeted every five minutes or so the same article. get it? a bunch of people died, and you need to read their article and only their article. NYT has to pay the bills, so lets capitalize on this. whoever is in charge of their social media blitz earned their salary yesterday. maybe i should be directing my frustration towards our new media platforms: instant, sensationalized news via social media.
that is sad...
media is disgusting...and not just on social media....their coverage is so sensationalistic, misleading and simplistic...i'd like to send them to Syria....
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This site, is the media.
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This site, is the media.
ummm no.. stick to real estate
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Are you talking about Maddow trying to get one of the survivors to pin responsibility on the club for not having metal detectors and pat downs at the door?
"Are you saying there were no metal detectors at the door?"
"Do you mean to tell me they didn't even pat you down or search you on the way in?!?!"
"So you're saying that the security at the club was non-existent?!?!"
no.. she said a staff producer had talked to someone in the EODM camp and was reporting one band member had died... she then said at the end of the show that it was not so...
it's not a band member, but their merch manager died. very sad news.
on a somewhat related note... media is such scum. last night the NYT, which is a garbage news outlet who thinks they write the news instead of report it, tweeted every five minutes or so the same article. get it? a bunch of people died, and you need to read their article and only their article. NYT has to pay the bills, so lets capitalize on this. whoever is in charge of their social media blitz earned their salary yesterday. maybe i should be directing my frustration towards our new media platforms: instant, sensationalized news via social media.
So you hate institutionalized mainstream media and you hate grassroots social media? How do you propose we get information about domestic and international events?
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Are you talking about Maddow trying to get one of the survivors to pin responsibility on the club for not having metal detectors and pat downs at the door?
"Are you saying there were no metal detectors at the door?"
"Do you mean to tell me they didn't even pat you down or search you on the way in?!?!"
"So you're saying that the security at the club was non-existent?!?!"
no.. she said a staff producer had talked to someone in the EODM camp and was reporting one band member had died... she then said at the end of the show that it was not so...
it's not a band member, but their merch manager died. very sad news.
on a somewhat related note... media is such scum. last night the NYT, which is a garbage news outlet who thinks they write the news instead of report it, tweeted every five minutes or so the same article. get it? a bunch of people died, and you need to read their article and only their article. NYT has to pay the bills, so lets capitalize on this. whoever is in charge of their social media blitz earned their salary yesterday. maybe i should be directing my frustration towards our new media platforms: instant, sensationalized news via social media.
So you hate institutionalized mainstream media and you hate grassroots social media? How do you propose we get information about domestic and international events?
i guess you can read it like that, but really it's the media institutions capitalizing on the social media platforms that bothers me. twitter had to start making money (and making other people money) at some point, right? it can work just fine for certain types of news... sports, elections, pop culture, but it's failing us with politics and it's capitalizing on tragic events. and yeah, i get it, they are just giving the people what they want.
to entertain your question: i have no clue, but we need to not act like ambulance chasers when it comes to tragic events. we've institutionalized our approach (e.g., special coverage and real-time reporting through social media) as each tragic event unfolds with the same questions: who did this? why did they do this? what should we now be afraid of? it's an open declaration that you can have a platform for your radical/extremist/homicidal ideas. you can be heard.
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France is bombing ISIS targets in Syria.
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I'm, more interested in how many times, James ford has been banned.
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What? Doorman at shows should be armed?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/14/donald-trump-says-tough-gun-control-laws-in-paris-contributed-to-tragedy/
I'm not sure why newspapers report on such absurd claims, without a 2nd opinion? This would not happen in other countries.
Did the journalist realize she was being completely disrespectful to people from Paris?
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What? Doorman at shows should be armed?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/14/donald-trump-says-tough-gun-control-laws-in-paris-contributed-to-tragedy/
I'm not sure why newspapers report on such absurd claims, without a 2nd opinion? This would not happen in other countries.
Did the journalist realize she was being completely disrespectful to people from Paris?
Donald Trump is the most visible and popular Republican in the entire country and has, for months, led the national polls in his quest to become President of the United States. His perspectives on a terrorist attack are extremely important for people so that they can judge what his views and goals are, how he might act as president, and if the Republican party should be trusted to run the country.
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I'm sure az will pick this apart, but this is a pretty good overview on what's going on in that god forsaken hell hole as of today. I'm as liberal as they come, but I'm to the point of wanting to turn this area into an oil slick.
http://www.vox.com/2015/11/14/9735102/syria-isis-history-video
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There is an extremely NSFW image (unless you work with Julian) floating around of inside the Batalan Theatre. One of the scariest/saddest photos I've ever seen. I'm not sure why I clicked the link. :(
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I'm sure az will pick this apart, but this is a pretty good overview on what's going on in that god forsaken hell hole as of today. I'm as liberal as they come, but I'm to the point of wanting to turn this area into an oil slick.
http://www.vox.com/2015/11/14/9735102/syria-isis-history-video
the last time we got to that point we invaded Iraq and that got us to this point..
think people...think.
moreover, it is not as if we are not attacking ISIS and killing their leaders one by one..but does the solution lie there?? can we kill enough of them fast enough??
think people.. think..
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I'm sure az will pick this apart, but this is a pretty good overview on what's going on in that god forsaken hell hole as of today. I'm as liberal as they come, but I'm to the point of wanting to turn this area into an oil slick.
http://www.vox.com/2015/11/14/9735102/syria-isis-history-video
the last time we got to that point we invaded Iraq and that got us to this point..
think people...think.
moreover, it is not as if we are not attacking ISIS and killing their leaders one by one..but does the solution lie there?? can we kill enough of them fast enough??
think people.. think..
What solution do you propose, Starsky?
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I'm sure az will pick this apart, but this is a pretty good overview on what's going on in that god forsaken hell hole as of today. I'm as liberal as they come, but I'm to the point of wanting to turn this area into an oil slick.
http://www.vox.com/2015/11/14/9735102/syria-isis-history-video
the last time we got to that point we invaded Iraq and that got us to this point..
think people...think.
moreover, it is not as if we are not attacking ISIS and killing their leaders one by one..but does the solution lie there?? can we kill enough of them fast enough??
think people.. think..
We had no reason to invade Iraq. I'd say we have reason(s) to wipe out ISIS.
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There is an extremely NSFW image (unless you work with Julian) floating around of inside the Batalan Theatre. One of the scariest/saddest photos I've ever seen. I'm not sure why I clicked the link. :(
If it's the same one I saw [which apparently is taken after clean up started] I don't know how more people weren't killed to be honest. I heard an interview with one of the survivors of the theatre attack and they said the attackers just kept firing and reloading and firing for 10 or 15 minutes. So insane. I can't even begin to imagine something like that.
There's also video someone was taking of the show when the gunfire starts. Haven't seen that stuff though. Truly insane.
This is sad but I don't know if it's more sad to see just how immediately people used this to push their political agenda on Friday night. I had to stay off social media to avoid getting more angry about the situation.
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Who's paranoid?
http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/11/16/isis-new-video-paris-attack-washington-npw.cnn
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Who's paranoid?
http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/11/16/isis-new-video-paris-attack-washington-npw.cnn
I wonder how many reports DC gets a day on terrorist attacks. I saw a lot of people upset that France had gotten notification of an Isis planned attack earlier that morning. I feel like that's not all that uncommon....
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i can't urge you strongly enough to give this man 5 minutes of your time... special shout-out to Space Freely:
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/waleed-aly-hits-out-at-isis-over-paris-attacks-calls-them-weak/story-fn948wjf-1227611388541
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What? Doorman at shows should be armed?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/14/donald-trump-says-tough-gun-control-laws-in-paris-contributed-to-tragedy/
I'm not sure why newspapers report on such absurd claims, without a 2nd opinion? This would not happen in other countries.
Did the journalist realize she was being completely disrespectful to people from Paris?
Donald Trump is the most visible and popular Republican in the entire country and has, for months, led the national polls in his quest to become President of the United States. His perspectives on a terrorist attack are extremely important for people so that they can judge what his views and goals are, how he might act as president, and if the Republican party should be trusted to run the country.
Ok. I know that my post wasn't too freedom of press friendly, but living in Europe now and having friends who regularly attend shows in Paris, I felt personally attacked by those remarks in a way not seen since G. Bush. I guess Donald Trump personally attack immigrants every day, so that's probably not new.
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"Islam needs reformers, not moderates... The purpose of reform is to change things, fix the system, and move it in a new direction. And to fix something, you have to acknowledge that it's broken - not that it looks broken, or is being falsely portrayed as broken by the wrong people - but that it's broken. That is your first step to reformation.
http://www.dailyo.in/politics/paris-attacks-syria-isis-g20-islam-al-qaeda-saudi-arabia-bashar-al-assad/story/1/7404.html
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Who's paranoid?
http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/11/16/isis-new-video-paris-attack-washington-npw.cnn
I wonder how many reports DC gets a day on terrorist attacks. I saw a lot of people upset that France had gotten notification of an Isis planned attack earlier that morning. I feel like that's not all that uncommon....
I'm sure it's nonstop. A portion of the city was completely shut down this morning. These direct threats are a bit scary though. I feel like the paranoia is so high in the US though it would be tough(er) than somewhere in Europe to plan these kinds of tactical attacks.
Any group of more than four shady looking Muslim men together in the US would probably have the cops called on them anywhere in the US vs. in parts of Europe where entire hoods are completely populated by middle eastern folks.
And yes... I saw many cons on social media chirping about not doing anything prior to the attacks. It's easier said than done.
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modern day, religious, upheaval . . . fascinating.
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"Islam needs reformers, not moderates... The purpose of reform is to change things, fix the system, and move it in a new direction. And to fix something, you have to acknowledge that it's broken - not that it looks broken, or is being falsely portrayed as broken by the wrong people - but that it's broken. That is your first step to reformation.
http://www.dailyo.in/politics/paris-attacks-syria-isis-g20-islam-al-qaeda-saudi-arabia-bashar-al-assad/story/1/7404.html
no arguments there.
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Who's paranoid?
http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/11/16/isis-new-video-paris-attack-washington-npw.cnn
I wonder how many reports DC gets a day on terrorist attacks. I saw a lot of people upset that France had gotten notification of an Isis planned attack earlier that morning. I feel like that's not all that uncommon....
I'm sure it's nonstop. A portion of the city was completely shut down this morning. These direct threats are a bit scary though. I feel like the paranoia is so high in the US though it would be tough(er) than somewhere in Europe to plan these kinds of tactical attacks.
Any group of more than four shady looking Muslim men together in the US would probably have the cops called on them anywhere in the US vs. in parts of Europe where entire hoods are completely populated by middle eastern folks.
And yes... I saw many cons on social media chirping about not doing anything prior to the attacks. It's easier said than done.
Government: Ok, let's react to every tip we get.
Public: WHAT IS THIS A POLICE STATE!?
Gov: ok... nm...
I think there's so much police in the city as it is... Not sure how something like this would go over in DC. Scary stuff to think about. Even driving out of the city at 2,3,4am there are cops parked up and down 14th/12th/9th heading downtown towards the mall. Not to mention all the separate guards on duty, plus secret service around the mall. Sheesh. Some balls these terrorists have!
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Don't a lot of people consider her part of the jv team when it comes to leading a police force?
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Who is "a lot of people"?
I don't really know the answer but my impression was that she was a solid police chief.
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Who is "a lot of people"?
I don't really know the answer but my impression was that she was a solid police chief.
I'm mostly talking out of my ass, but apparently "police union members" don't find her very inspiring.
http://wtop.com/dc/2015/08/police-union-members-have-no-confidence-in-chief-lanier/
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False Flag alert!!!
http://www.activistpost.com/2015/11/9-reasons-to-question-the-paris-terror-attacks.html
I love, love, LOVE how all of these, ALL OF THESE, fucking articles will start out with "HA! Remember what we were initially told when this was going on!? WELL IT WAS WRONG!!!! PROOF that this was all set up!" Because, ya know, we are all 100% informed as soon as these things start. Jesus.
EDIT: the fucking quotes from this thing. Good lord.
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I love, love, LOVE how all of these, ALL OF THESE, fucking articles will start out with "HA! Remember what we were initially told when this was going on!? WELL IT WAS WRONG!!!! PROOF that this was all set up!" Because, ya know, we are all 100% informed as soon as these things start. Jesus.
I've noticed this line of thinking before as well. My thought is, if there's a 100% "correct" story out there immediately, wouldn't that be a bigger indicator that it was staged?
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What is that you're using? Reason? Nope.
They also reference Charlie Hebdo... "Charlie Hebdo has been exposed as a False Flag op" <- when? Lol. The comments are even better. MAN.
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Twenty bucks says Space's refrigerator features a caricature of the prophet Mohammed fingerpainted by his atheist, vegan daughter.
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You guys are the best. The BEST!
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Who is "a lot of people"?
I don't really know the answer but my impression was that she was a solid police chief.
I'm mostly talking out of my ass, but apparently "police union members" don't find her very inspiring.
http://wtop.com/dc/2015/08/police-union-members-have-no-confidence-in-chief-lanier/
A conflict between management and the union representing the employees? NO WAY
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I'm sure az will pick this apart, but this is a pretty good overview on what's going on in that god forsaken hell hole as of today. I'm as liberal as they come, but I'm to the point of wanting to turn this area into an oil slick.
http://www.vox.com/2015/11/14/9735102/syria-isis-history-video
the last time we got to that point we invaded Iraq and that got us to this point..
think people...think.
moreover, it is not as if we are not attacking ISIS and killing their leaders one by one..but does the solution lie there?? can we kill enough of them fast enough??
think people.. think..
What solution do you propose, Starsky?
I don't know.. I think its very complicated.. people talking about bombing ISIS nonstop.. do you realize there are civilians in those areas too? How is that not comparable to terrorism? Heck didn't we kill like 20people at Doctors without Borders or something just this past month- by accident- in Afghanistan?
The only thing that comes to mind is getting together with France, Germany, UK, Russia (if at all possible) and maybe going in to Iraq and Syria and Lebanon and Jordan and wherever and taking over with millions of troops and spending TRILLIONS of dollars.. oh and also Yemen and Libya and plenty of other places... does this seems feasible??
anybody ever think that perhaps there is no way to prevent EVERY terrorist attack..that sometimes we will get hit and that is the price we pay for our freedom and NOT endless pointless wars that kills tens of thousands of civilians which is what they want to convince us we have to do... to continue funding a pointless useless military industrial complex.. I guess their civilians aren't as important as our civlians and when we do it its not terrorism, right? Do you guys not think that innocent people have died in Syria due to our- and the French and Russian- bombings??
I find the level of analysis/critical thinking on this issue to be woeful..
And saying you don't have the answer or there may not be an answer IS an answer.. a better one than "hey lets just bomb them to shreds and that will fix it.." As if we even could bomb them to shreds.. we can kill all their leaders and they will just get new ones...
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Follow the guns.
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Twenty bucks says Space's refrigerator features a caricature of the prophet Mohammed fingerpainted by his atheist, vegan daughter.
I'll take that bet. Which is to say, no we don't have a pic of Mo anywhere in our house.
And she's not vegan and she's way too old and artistically talented to be finger painting. ;)
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so Anonymous has declared war against ISIS (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/anonymous-isis_5649610ae4b045bf3defc173), which leads to this little ditty:
"Hacker group Anonymous have declared was on ISIS after the Paris attacks...
This is probably the closest ISIS will ever get to 72 virgins"
- @causticbob
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well i mean....at least one of the terrorists appeared to be using a fake syrian passport. isn't that the very definition of false flag?
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I like what, pastor Steven anderson, had to say. Price, less.
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I like what, pastor Steven anderson, had to say. Price, less.
There are douchebags of all religious persuasions. It's great to live in a free country where we can mock them.
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Eagles of Death Metal Make First Statement on Paris Attacks (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/19/arts/music/eagles-of-death-metal-make-first-statement-since-paris-attacks.html)
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Eagles of Death Metal Make First Statement on Paris Attacks (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/19/arts/music/eagles-of-death-metal-make-first-statement-since-paris-attacks.html)
I hope this event doesn't put Jesse Hughes completely over the edge... he's not the most stable guy around.
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I wonder how many other people around the world, in addition to myself, heard a song by this band for the first time within the past week?
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France Is Still Accepting 30,000 Refugees (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hollande-france-plans-to-take-in-30000-refugees-over-two-years_564c78bae4b06037734bb934)
Among the casualties of the massacre are the entire collective gonads of the GOP (and some Democrats).
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I wonder how many other people around the world, in addition to myself, heard a song by this band for the first time within the past week?
a lot...but the songs have been out there.. in commercials.. also at O's games...and we talked about them on the board many times.. I even posted a link to a video I took way back when I saw them many years ago .. I remember Bearman commented his baldhead was in the video
still, the connection between Homme and the band means a lot of people in the subculture that listen to this type of music would have heard of them..
of course you're stuck listening to the Old 97s, Wilco and Nada Surf (provided the shows are before 7 pm) so I don't expect you would have ever heard of them...
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I am enjoying reading my facebook feed this evening with all the people in my area who are freaking out as if all the refugees will be coming to Virginia, mainly to Harrisonburg Virginia.
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I wonder how many other people around the world, in addition to myself, heard a song by this band for the first time within the past week?
a lot...but the songs have been out there.. in commercials.. also at O's games...and we talked about them on the board many times.. I even posted a link to a video I took way back when I saw them many years ago .. I remember Bearman commented his baldhead was in the video
still, the connection between Homme and the band means a lot of people in the subculture that listen to this type of music would have heard of them..
of course you're stuck listening to the Old 97s, Wilco and Nada Surf (provided the shows are before 7 pm) so I don't expect you would have ever heard of them...
I guess I had avoided them because:
a. somehow i associated them with Queens of the Stone Age, who i listened to once and didn't care for.
b. I'm not into death metal. And if I was, I wouldn't feel inspired to listen to some band that called themselves "Eagles of Death Metal". Perhaps if they called themselves "Gram Parsons of Death Metal" I would have been more inspired.
After listening to one song, I've got them pegged as a boring 90's grunge inspired poppy cock-rock band. Sort of a complement to Foo Fighters. Hey, if that's your bag, that's cool. It's not mine.
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I am enjoying reading my facebook feed this evening with all the people in my area who are freaking out as if all the refugees will be coming to Virginia, mainly to Harrisonburg Virginia.
My vote is to put them down in the southwest corner of the state.
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What if they were, the old 97s of death metal?
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I am enjoying reading my facebook feed this evening with all the people in my area who are freaking out as if all the refugees will be coming to Virginia, mainly to Harrisonburg Virginia.
My vote is to put them down in the southwest corner of the state.
I used to live there . . . That will go over well.
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I am enjoying reading my facebook feed this evening with all the people in my area who are freaking out as if all the refugees will be coming to Virginia, mainly to Harrisonburg Virginia.
My vote is to put them down in the southwest corner of the state.
careful what you wish for. your daughter might not get into UVA and may have to settle for virginia tech.
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I am enjoying reading my facebook feed this evening with all the people in my area who are freaking out as if all the refugees will be coming to Virginia, mainly to Harrisonburg Virginia.
My vote is to put them down in the southwest corner of the state.
careful what you wish for. your daughter might not get into UVA and may have to settle for virginia tech.
Only a temporary stop, Trump will ship them back home after he has defeated ISIS, lol.
Daughter appears to be more of a liberal arts person than a STEM person. At least at age eight. So I'm thinking Harrisonburg is more likely than Tech, if UVA and William and Mary aren't in the cards.
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And to totally derail the thread:
Hutch: My wife is a big Nada Surf fan. It's rare when we get to go to a show together and my daughter is home with the sitter and can stay up until we get home free of bedtimes. This leaves my wife less stressed and able to enjoy our date night.
Sorry to bore everyone with my boring domestic story, but Hutch seems to have the need to weave his own narrative about my life. Probably learned that skill from me. ;D
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And to totally derail the thread:
Hutch: My wife is a big Nada Surf fan. It's rare when we get to go to a show together and my daughter is home with the sitter and can stay up until we get home free of bedtimes. This leaves my wife less stressed and able to enjoy our date night.
Sorry to bore everyone with my boring domestic story, but Hutch seems to have the need to weave his own narrative about my life. Probably learned that skill from me. ;D
News flash: nobody cares but you.
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I wonder how many other people around the world, in addition to myself, heard a song by this band for the first time within the past week?
a lot...but the songs have been out there.. in commercials.. also at O's games...and we talked about them on the board many times.. I even posted a link to a video I took way back when I saw them many years ago .. I remember Bearman commented his baldhead was in the video
still, the connection between Homme and the band means a lot of people in the subculture that listen to this type of music would have heard of them..
of course you're stuck listening to the Old 97s, Wilco and Nada Surf (provided the shows are before 7 pm) so I don't expect you would have ever heard of them...
I guess I had avoided them because:
a. somehow i associated them with Queens of the Stone Age, who i listened to once and didn't care for.
b. I'm not into death metal. And if I was, I wouldn't feel inspired to listen to some band that called themselves "Eagles of Death Metal". Perhaps if they called themselves "Gram Parsons of Death Metal" I would have been more inspired.
After listening to one song, I've got them pegged as a boring 90's grunge inspired poppy cock-rock band. Sort of a complement to Foo Fighters. Hey, if that's your bag, that's cool. It's not mine.
see post above
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Honduras, just caught 5 Syrian "refugees" with fake passports trying to head to America. This, just changed.
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Honduras, just caught 5 Syrian "refugees" with fake passports trying to head to America. This, just changed.
your level of pussy is high.
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Honduras, just caught 5 Syrian "refugees" with fake passports trying to head to America. This, just changed.
your level of pussy is high.
Says the nutjob who says this:
anybody ever think that perhaps there is no way to prevent EVERY terrorist attack..that sometimes we will get hit and that is the price we pay for our freedom
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Honduras, just caught 5 Syrian "refugees" with fake passports trying to head to America. This, just changed.
your level of pussy is high.
Says the nutjob who says this:
anybody ever think that perhaps there is no way to prevent EVERY terrorist attack..that sometimes we will get hit and that is the price we pay for our freedom
nothing nutty about that..it is a fact.. you cannot prevent every attack..
what is nutty is to think that you CAN prevent every attack...
you can TRY to prevent every attack but sometimes you will not be able to
and we do not suspend our laws and our constitution because of terrorists... we continue to accept refugees.. that is what we do... to change the way we operate and live in fear is exactly what the terrorists want us to do...
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Honduras, just caught 5 Syrian "refugees" with fake passports trying to head to America. This, just changed.
your level of pussy is high.
Says the nutjob who says this:
anybody ever think that perhaps there is no way to prevent EVERY terrorist attack..that sometimes we will get hit and that is the price we pay for our freedom
nothing nutty about that..it is a fact.. you cannot prevent every attack..
what is nutty is to think that you CAN prevent every attack...
you can TRY to prevent every attack but sometimes you will not be able to
and we do not suspend our laws and our constitution because of terrorists... we continue to accept refugees.. that is what we do... to change the way we operate and live in fear is exactly what the terrorists want us to do...
Do you think we should be able to change laws to make Americans safer from guns?
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Honduras, just caught 5 Syrian "refugees" with fake passports trying to head to America. This, just changed.
your level of pussy is high.
Says the nutjob who says this:
anybody ever think that perhaps there is no way to prevent EVERY terrorist attack..that sometimes we will get hit and that is the price we pay for our freedom
nothing nutty about that..it is a fact.. you cannot prevent every attack..
what is nutty is to think that you CAN prevent every attack...
you can TRY to prevent every attack but sometimes you will not be able to
and we do not suspend our laws and our constitution because of terrorists... we continue to accept refugees.. that is what we do... to change the way we operate and live in fear is exactly what the terrorists want us to do...
Do you think we should be able to change laws to make Americans safer from guns?
Irrelevant..typical James Ford "I can't actually answer" so let me pose a question and try to find a more favorable tangent to go on...
There is no room for unconstitutional laws... we'd all be safer from "foreigners" by closing our borders and never letting anyone in or out (they could go out and become, you know, "radicalized").. doesn't mean we do it...of course some people who live in fear will want to do that....
what my views on the second amendment are really are irrelevant to the conversation.
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you bore me James Ford.. have a nice day cowering behind your desk... don't go out to lunch .. you could get shot up or something horrible..
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Oh, I thought you were implying that laws can't be amended even if the amending makes citizens safer.
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Honduras, just caught 5 Syrian "refugees" with fake passports trying to head to America. This, just changed.
right-wingnuts are going to make a mountain outta this, but refugees travel on fake passports all the time.
"None of the detentions have been tied to terrorism. Many migrants with no ties to terrorism travel on false documents around the world."
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/18/americas/honduras-syrians-detained/
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Honduras, just caught 5 Syrian "refugees" with fake passports trying to head to America. This, just changed.
right-wingnuts are going to make a mountain outta this, but refugees travel on fake passports all the time.
"None of the detentions have been tied to terrorism. Many migrants with no ties to terrorism travel on false documents around the world."
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/18/americas/honduras-syrians-detained/
I'm not saying they would have a valid point in this case, but in your estimation do "right-wingnuts" ever have a valid point about anything? Because if they don't, how can "left-wingnuts" have a valid point about anything?
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but in your estimation do "right-wingnuts" ever have a valid point about anything?
no, they don't, and that's in large part why they are wingnuts: their arguments are so baseless and nonsensical (in my opinion, obviously).
Because if they don't, how can "left-wingnuts" have a valid point about anything?
nope, same reason - regardless what side of the aisle you're on, the extremes don't make sense. "more guns will make us safer" is no better to me than "bush planned 9/11."
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I wonder how many other people around the world, in addition to myself, heard a song by this band for the first time within the past week?
a lot...but the songs have been out there.. in commercials.. also at O's games...and we talked about them on the board many times.. I even posted a link to a video I took way back when I saw them many years ago .. I remember Bearman commented his baldhead was in the video
still, the connection between Homme and the band means a lot of people in the subculture that listen to this type of music would have heard of them..
of course you're stuck listening to the Old 97s, Wilco and Nada Surf (provided the shows are before 7 pm) so I don't expect you would have ever heard of them...
I guess I had avoided them because:
a. somehow i associated them with Queens of the Stone Age, who i listened to once and didn't care for.
b. I'm not into death metal. And if I was, I wouldn't feel inspired to listen to some band that called themselves "Eagles of Death Metal". Perhaps if they called themselves "Gram Parsons of Death Metal" I would have been more inspired.
After listening to one song, I've got them pegged as a boring 90's grunge inspired poppy cock-rock band. Sort of a complement to Foo Fighters. Hey, if that's your bag, that's cool. It's not mine.
LOL. The origin of their name is pretty funny, AND I think you pegging them as a grunge inspired poppy band is pretty funny. They are like 100% stoner/surfer/Americana rock band.
What's the one song you listened to where you pegged them as that? I know a ton of my friends just plain don't like them and that's cool! I just thought your assessment was funny.
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I wonder how many other people around the world, in addition to myself, heard a song by this band for the first time within the past week?
a lot...but the songs have been out there.. in commercials.. also at O's games...and we talked about them on the board many times.. I even posted a link to a video I took way back when I saw them many years ago .. I remember Bearman commented his baldhead was in the video
still, the connection between Homme and the band means a lot of people in the subculture that listen to this type of music would have heard of them..
of course you're stuck listening to the Old 97s, Wilco and Nada Surf (provided the shows are before 7 pm) so I don't expect you would have ever heard of them...
I guess I had avoided them because:
a. somehow i associated them with Queens of the Stone Age, who i listened to once and didn't care for.
b. I'm not into death metal. And if I was, I wouldn't feel inspired to listen to some band that called themselves "Eagles of Death Metal". Perhaps if they called themselves "Gram Parsons of Death Metal" I would have been more inspired.
After listening to one song, I've got them pegged as a boring 90's grunge inspired poppy cock-rock band. Sort of a complement to Foo Fighters. Hey, if that's your bag, that's cool. It's not mine.
LOL. The origin of their name is pretty funny, AND I think you pegging them as a grunge inspired poppy band is pretty funny. They are like 100% stoner/surfer/Americana rock band.
What's the one song you listened to where you pegged them as that? I know a ton of my friends just plain don't like them and that's cool! I just thought your assessment was funny.
I dunno...whatever the song is that comes up when you google them is the song I listened to.
After the shit they've been through, I'll explore more of their music. Perhaps they'll make a fan of me yet.
Maybe this guy can do a video for them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pujXL-6GItU
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Was that map made by a left wingnut, or a right wingnut?
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the message is from the left, but since i agree with them they are not a wingnut. as mentioned above, someone being a wingnut is an opinion. ratbastard would likely look at this and declare its author to be a left wingnut.
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I wonder if Patton Oswalt is a left wingnut, or a right wingnut. Or if he is more concerned with the truth. At any rate, I bet he doesn't make Jullian's 50 Most Beautiful People list this year.
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Actually, ratb, is gone from the forum. His health is not great right now, and I worry big time for the guy.
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At any rate, I bet he doesn't make Jullian's 50 Most Beautiful People list this year.
He does not, but I enjoy his bit about that terrible Christmas Shoes song.
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Actually, ratb, is gone from the forum. His health is not great right now, and I worry big time for the guy.
Wow, it's almost like there's deleterious health effects from being a tightly-wound, highly-concentrated ball of hatred.
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Wow, it's almost like there's deleterious health effects from being a tightly-wound, highly-concentrated ball of hatred.
And yet, somehow, you seem to be doing okay.
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Wow, it's almost like there's deleterious health effects from being a tightly-wound, highly-concentrated ball of hatred.
And yet, somehow, you seem to be doing okay.
You know nothing of my health, and I'll thank you to not make assumptions.
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this got weird.
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Weirdly awesome!
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this got weird.
. . . says a dude who self-glossed himself "fart sound".
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this got weird.
. . . says a dude who self-glossed himself "fart sound".
i like fart sound, and plus, it freed up carlos spicyweiner for you.
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this got weird.
. . . says a dude who self-glossed himself "fart sound".
i like fart sound, and plus, it freed up carlos spicyweiner for you.
Which do you think is worse, loud farts or smelly farts?
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Is there any question?
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this got weird.
. . . says a dude who self-glossed himself "fart sound".
i like fart sound, and plus, it freed up carlos spicyweiner for you.
Which do you think is worse, loud farts or smelly farts?
loud, non smelly farts are actually awesome.
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this got weird.
. . . says a dude who self-glossed himself "fart sound".
i like fart sound, and plus, it freed up carlos spicyweiner for you.
Which do you think is worse, loud farts or smelly farts?
loud, non smelly farts are actually awesome.
Two out of three Freeley family members agree with you. These kids of frank family discussions are really the reason people choose to get married, right?
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NYC Islamic State Plot: Italian Mafia Warns ISIS To Stay Away From New York
The Italian Mafia in New York issued a warning to the Islamic State group over the weekend: If you come to the five boroughs, you?re going to find yourself in a fight with the mob. A man claiming to represent the Italian crime organization said it will do its part to protect New Yorkers from terrorist attacks and that it is better positioned to provide security than federal agencies like the FBI and Department of Homeland Security.
continued: http://www.ibtimes.com/nyc-islamic-state-plot-italian-mafia-warns-isis-stay-away-new-york-2196169
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NYC Islamic State Plot: Italian Mafia Warns ISIS To Stay Away From New York
The Italian Mafia in New York issued a warning to the Islamic State group over the weekend: If you come to the five boroughs, you?re going to find yourself in a fight with the mob. A man claiming to represent the Italian crime organization said it will do its part to protect New Yorkers from terrorist attacks and that it is better positioned to provide security than federal agencies like the FBI and Department of Homeland Security.
continued: http://www.ibtimes.com/nyc-islamic-state-plot-italian-mafia-warns-isis-stay-away-new-york-2196169
^^can't make this shit up^^
Am I the only one that finds this laughable??
"Hey Jimmy, grab your gabagool and let's go get these rag heads!"
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?The Mafia has a bad reputation, but much of that's undeserved. As with everything in life, there are good, bad and ugly parts ? the rise of global terrorism gives the Mafia a chance to show its good side.
Giovanni is adamant that ISIS fear the Sicilian Mafia and that is why the Italian island has never suffered any kind of attacks. He extended that theory to the streets of the big apple, claiming that jihadists fear the grassroots protection that is in place.
oh boy, mafia is going to show it's good side
that's going to end well
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he looks like Moe from the 3 Stooges:
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"Mafia Member"
whoops?
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Frank Turner
@frankturner Each to their own, but cancelling shows doesn't seem very respectful of those hurt or killed. Playing twice as hard seems more appropriate.
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Frank Turner
@frankturner Each to their own, but cancelling shows doesn't seem very respectful of those hurt or killed. Playing twice as hard seems more appropriate.
What cancelled shows are Frank referring to?
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Frank Turner
@frankturner Each to their own, but cancelling shows doesn't seem very respectful of those hurt or killed. Playing twice as hard seems more appropriate.
What cancelled shows are Frank referring to?
Don't really know, but apparently a few bands canceled the rest of the French tours
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Five finger death punch, did.
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Lamb of God cancelled the rest of their European tour.
http://loudwire.com/lamb-of-god-randy-blythe-statement-european-tour-cancellation/
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Foo Fighters. U2.
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Papa Roach.
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I think cancelling entire tours over this is so lame...so cowardly...such an unnecessary overreaction.. I mean heck lets just cancel the Champions League while we're at it...WTF
The one exception are of course the Eagles of Death Metal.. I wouldn't blame them if they never played a show again.
For other bands I can understand cancelling a few shows right after the Paris attacks.. maybe being cautious about playing Belgium and France...that's about it. Oh, and wanting extra security at the Bataclan if you're playing there after it reopens.
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None of us know what bands are thinking right now, given that playing shows is what they do for a living. I'd say its understandable that they're a bit spooked from this.
You should read the note Randy from LoG wrote (on the previous page). He sums it up pretty well. Doesn't help that he still has the incident in Prague in recent memory too.
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None of us know what bands are thinking right now, given that playing shows is what they do for a living. I'd say its understandable that they're a bit spooked from this.
You should read the note Randy from LoG wrote (on the previous page). He sums it up pretty well. Doesn't help that he still has the incident in Prague in recent memory too.
Sure we do. Frank Turner is thinking he's going to take on Daesh all by himself, Foo Fighters are thinking of changing their name to Foo Lovers.
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powerful interview with EoDM describing that night and the future of the band... not for the faint of heart. disturbing and emotional stuff. bearman, do NOT watch this at work (in case it's an option).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n74HBrrFnIc
and as mentioned at the end of the interview:
Eagles of Death Metal Ask Artists to Cover "I Love You All the Time", Donate Proceeds to Charity
All publishing income will go to victims of the Paris attacks; listen to Dean Ween's version
http://pitchfork.com/news/62330-eagles-of-death-metal-ask-artists-to-cover-i-love-you-all-the-time-donate-proceeds-to-charity/
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That was one of the most intense interviews I've ever seen. Teared up big time throughout.
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That was one of the most intense interviews I've ever seen. Teared up big time throughout.
yup.
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That was one of the most intense interviews I've ever seen. Teared up big time throughout.
Absolutely. So intense and I applaud the guys for telling their story. It needs to be told, and I can't imagine how hard it would be to do so.
As for the canceling of tours, I think that the initial wave of cancellations was appropriate in that bands needed a moment to gather themselves, let the police do their work, and also to give people a chance to grieve and process what happened. The biggest of the tragedies happened at a concert. I doubt people going to see U2 or the Foo fighters days after the attacks would have felt very good about attending a show. How are you supposed to just have a good time? There appears to be a flood of bands still going over now, and that's good. Clutch did a show that they say is the most intense and memorable performance they've probably ever done, Peaches is doing one, and Eagles of Death Metal want to finish their show. God, I cannot even imagine how emotional that one will be. In time, most bands will continue to perform there. I have no doubt about that.
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In time, most bands will continue to perform there. I have no doubt about that.
I agree it was a pretty tense time and call's have to be made
it's easy to chastise people from your armchair, but the promoters and bands had some tough decisions to make in the wake of that event
I don't feel like ANY band is going to actually not perform in France/Paris in fear of this gong forward
I could be wrong
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In time, most bands will continue to perform there. I have no doubt about that.
I agree it was a pretty tense time and call's have to be made
it's easy to chastise people from your armchair, but the promoters and bands had some tough decisions to make in the wake of that event
I don't feel like ANY band is going to actually not perform in France/Paris in fear of this gong forward
I could be wrong
like what? playing Spain???
I mean bands cancelled entire European tours... for what reason?
The more time goes by the more we will come to recognize a complete overreaction.
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In time, most bands will continue to perform there. I have no doubt about that.
I agree it was a pretty tense time and call's have to be made
it's easy to chastise people from your armchair, but the promoters and bands had some tough decisions to make in the wake of that event
I don't feel like ANY band is going to actually not perform in France/Paris in fear of this gong forward
I could be wrong
like what? playing Spain???
I mean bands cancelled entire European tours... for what reason?
The more time goes by the more we will come to recognize a complete overreaction.
well I don't know about that, it was knee-jerk for sure
I'm sure it was a costly decision too, not sure they can just back out with out any consequences (possibly they have insurance to cover those costs?)
but Spain...aren't there Spanish people there....Trump told me to be scared of them
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In time, most bands will continue to perform there. I have no doubt about that.
I agree it was a pretty tense time and call's have to be made
it's easy to chastise people from your armchair, but the promoters and bands had some tough decisions to make in the wake of that event
I don't feel like ANY band is going to actually not perform in France/Paris in fear of this gong forward
I could be wrong
like what? playing Spain???
I mean bands cancelled entire European tours... for what reason?
The more time goes by the more we will come to recognize a complete overreaction.
I think most bands will reschedule those dates. Don't you think it'd be pretty hard to continue a tour and go out on stage when you feel pretty upset/mad/freaked out in the wake of what happened? And maybe presumptuous that you're expecting fans to show and be excited about going to a concert? I saw Best Coast last week, and Nick Alexander worked with them. It was NOT easy for them to get on the stage. They were feeling pretty raw. But I think they found that performing music was healing for them. I concur that people reacted in the moment and in the wake of such a profound tragic event. But I wouldn't fault anyone for taking a pause before continuing in the way that they felt was best in order to put on a performance that they can stand behind and deliver to an audience that is ready for it.
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how many here remember how they felt in the week after 9/11? who was ready to rock out that week?
i certainly wasn't.
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There is no way I would be able to continue a tour after that. Just watching that 3 seconds of video they posted with the gunfire...How do you go back on stage after you saw everyone in front of you gunned down?
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hutch is such a tough guy.
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how many here remember how they felt in the week after 9/11? who was ready to rock out that week?
i certainly wasn't.
dude..this was not 9-11...
I have zero issue with EODM cancelling tour- heck disbanding....
but when you read about bands like U2 cancelling entire European tours? come on now.
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how many here remember how they felt in the week after 9/11? who was ready to rock out that week?
i certainly wasn't.
dude..this was not 9-11...
I think it was more impactful to members of EODM than 9/11 was to the average American. By a wide margin.
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how many here remember how they felt in the week after 9/11? who was ready to rock out that week?
i certainly wasn't.
dude..this was not 9-11...
I think it was more impactful to members of EODM than 9/11 was to the average American. By a wide margin.
agreed... and most likely a bit more realistic to happen again and again. Personally, I fear an active shooter (crazy white guy or terrorist) vs. planes flying into a building.
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how many here remember how they felt in the week after 9/11? who was ready to rock out that week?
i certainly wasn't.
dude..this was not 9-11...
I think it was more impactful to members of EODM than 9/11 was to the average American. By a wide margin.
obviously... anybody saying EODM should continue touring is insane.
I thought what we were talking about was all the other bands cancelling entire European tours...
If this was not what we were talking about my apologies
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So, were the new shootings in California yesterday, terrorism, or just somebody shooting because that's what we do in this country? It seems that a lot of people are arguing this point, in the media.
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So, were the new shootings in California yesterday, terrorism, or just somebody shooting because that's what we do in this country? It seems that a lot of people are arguing this point, in the media.
Depends on the skin color... this will most likely be terrorism since he was one of them Muslims.
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So, were the new shootings in California yesterday, terrorism, or just somebody shooting because that's what we do in this country? It seems that a lot of people are arguing this point, in the media.
yes FOX news is frothing at the mouth at the prospect that this could have any link to Daesh..
The facts as we know them seem to indicate a little bit to "satisfy" both sides (ie., it was a mass shooting or it was muslim terrorists)... my point would be that regardless the easy access to guns, assault rifles aint' helping..
at this point i'm calling it a mass shooting by people who happened to be muslim.... but i'm open to revisiting that as we learn more.....
and to me its all terrorism... why do we draw this line as if one is way worse than the other??? 14 people are dead whether it is called terrorism or a mass shooting ain't bringing any of them back to life... Megyn Kelly on FOX last night even said that the consequences if it was terrorism would be far more... (she meant terrorism tied to DAESH)... well she is right but why should that be so???
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pretty sick people though.... to leave a 6 month old baby behind.... and target a place that helps people with developmental disabilities like autism...during a holiday party.
real shits.
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pretty sick people though.... to leave a 6 month old baby behind.... and target a place that helps people with developmental disabilities like autism...during a holiday party.
real shits.
Do you think they would have done this if they were secular people? I guess we'll see.
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pretty sick people though.... to leave a 6 month old baby behind....
yeah...that fact boggled my mind
although they did go after the staff, not the clients
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pretty sick people though.... to leave a 6 month old baby behind.... and target a place that helps people with developmental disabilities like autism...during a holiday party.
real shits.
Do you think they would have done this if they were secular people? I guess we'll see.
oh.. probably not....
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http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-reformation-for-islam-1426859626
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dude..this was not 9-11...
for france, and by extension a lot of europe, this was exactly like 9/11: a mass-casualty terrorism act hits home. do you remember that shattered sense of safety you had when the twin towers came down? a lot of frenchies now feel the same way. sure, we all know that terrorism exists... but until you feel that you are truly at risk, it's theoretical. november 13 made it real for them.
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dude..this was not 9-11...
for france, and by extension a lot of europe, this was exactly like 9/11: a mass-casualty terrorism act hits home. do you remember that shattered sense of safety you had when the twin towers came down? a lot of frenchies now feel the same way. sure, we all know that terrorism exists... but until you feel that you are truly at risk, it's theoretical. november 13 made it real for them.
no way... this is a silly thing to argue about so I will leave it with that.. no way was this comparable to 9-11...
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i have friends in paris. this is their 9/11. end of story.
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i have friends in paris. this is their 9/11. end of story.
so you want to keep going eh?
oh, and you think you're the only with friends in paris?
the difference of opinion comes down to what you define "9-11" as being..
I don't see how you can compare the two..
9-11 involved Saudis flying, hijacking and blowing up mulitple planes, bringing down the twin towers, and crashing a plane into a pentagon..killing thousands.. injuring thousands more
how the fuck is what happened in Paris comparable to that??
one has to think you have forgotten what happened on 9-11 to say that what happened in Paris is comparable to it..
having said that, I do not deny that Parisians may be feeling some of the same things Americans felt in the aftermath of 9-11... if that is what you mean by saying its "their 9-11" then I guess you are right. happy?
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In terms of overall physical and property damage, sure no comparison.
In terms of the psychological, very similar.
So you're both right.
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I am often astounded by people who seem to think terrorism started with Al Qaeda or Daesh..
Does nobody remember the Red Brigade or the IRA??? There were plenty of terrorist attacks all over Europe in the 1970s...
Moreover, the psychological impact I should think would be different depending on the scale of the attack.. or is a terrorist attack that kills one person expected to carry the same psychological impact as one that kills, god forbid, 10,000???
I think people are forgetting to think things through here...
Furthermore, its not as if we haven't had plenty of terrorist attacks in places like India or Kenya or you name it between 9-11 and the Paris attacks... Spain experienced a pretty significant attack and yet nobody would compare it to 9-11... I guess Indians and Kenyans don't matter though..
Luckily I have to leave this riveting conversation
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Moreover, the psychological impact I should think would be different depending on the scale of the attack.. or is a terrorist attack that kills one person expected to carry the same psychological impact as one that kills, god forbid, 10,000???
If you're related to that one person, then yes, for you it does. Obviously the Paris attack was not, on pure numbers, on the scope of 9/11. But specific to the mood of members of EODM, who literally saw it live in front of them, it's a far more emotionally jarring experience.
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Moreover, the psychological impact I should think would be different depending on the scale of the attack.. or is a terrorist attack that kills one person expected to carry the same psychological impact as one that kills, god forbid, 10,000???
If you're related to that one person, then yes, for you it does. Obviously the Paris attack was not, on pure numbers, on the scope of 9/11. But specific to the mood of members of EODM, who literally saw it live in front of them, it's a far more emotionally jarring experience.
http://forum.930.com/index.php?topic=24205.msg419100#msg419100
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I am often astounded by people who seem to think terrorism started with Al Qaeda or Daesh..
Does nobody remember the Red Brigade or the IRA??? There were plenty of terrorist attacks all over Europe in the 1970s...
I believe you meant to start your reference with Maximilien and his band of Jacobin, but I could be mistaken.
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I am often astounded by people who seem to think terrorism started with Al Qaeda or Daesh..
Does nobody remember the Red Brigade or the IRA??? There were plenty of terrorist attacks all over Europe in the 1970s...
I believe you meant to start your reference with Maximilien and his band of Jacobin, but I could be mistaken.
we're talking about modern day terrorism...the PLO was modern day terrorism...do people not remember the attacks on the Olympic Village in Germany?.. moreover, if the French attitude is that the Charlie Hebdo attacks weren't a terrorist attack or not targeted against "us" then I think that's rather shameful actually...kind of embarrassing much like John Kerry's unfortunate statement...
there is this attitude represented by conventional "wisdom" that "this changes everything".. well it DOES NOT... 9-11 did not change everything.. Pearl Harbor did not change everything and the Paris attacks most certainly did not change everything... doesn't mean they are not important events.... they are things that happen.. you get back up, try to figure out how to prevent them and go on... when you let them make you feel that they "change everything" you are precisely playing into their hands.. those of the terrorists, and though I know this is very controversial and is just my own personal opinion, those of the military industrial complex (the modern day military industrial complex which includes a lot of non military and non-industrial enterprises) which cannot wait to get into the next military conflict (you better believe they are rubbing their hands together a la Mr. Burns right now)....
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I am often astounded by people who seem to think terrorism is a modern day phenomenon.
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I am often astounded by people who seem to think terrorism is a modern day phenomenon.
yes I share that (though I know you're trying hard to be clever)... terrorism helped create the State of Israel.. You read about the Maccabees being terrorists for pete's sake.
so what do we have in the end? That terrorism has been a part of civilization for millennia... so lets not kid ourselves that one attack changes everything.
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The Stories of the Victims of the San Bernardino Shootings (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-shooting-victims-htmlstory.html)
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I am often astounded by people who seem to think terrorism is a modern day phenomenon.
You'd have to be pretty blind to think that terrorism is a modern day phenomenon.
Then again, you'd have to be pretty stupid to think that the actions of the PLO, Israel, Red Brigade, IRA, etc. would have the same resonance with everyday Americans as 9/11 did. For most Americans, 9/11 DID change everything.
As far as 11/13 changing everything for Parisians and by extension continental Europeans, when was the last continental European attack by the Red Brigade or IRA? Many Europeans are probably simply too young to remember any kind of terrorist threats.
And this threat is a different kind of terrorist threat. It's arguably dictated by religious texts, rather than merely simple political motivations. That kind of shit is just more scary to some people. Not Hutch, of course.
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I am often astounded by people who seem to think terrorism is a modern day phenomenon.
You'd have to be pretty blind to think that terrorism is a modern day phenomenon.
Then again, you'd have to be pretty stupid to think that the actions of the PLO, Israel, Red Brigade, IRA, etc. would have the same resonance with everyday Americans as 9/11 did. For most Americans, 9/11 DID change everything.
As far as 11/13 changing everything for Parisians and by extension continental Europeans, when was the last continental European attack by the Red Brigade or IRA? Many Europeans are probably simply too young to remember any kind of terrorist threats.
And this threat is a different kind of terrorist threat. It's arguably dictated by religious texts, rather than merely simple political motivations. That kind of shit is just more scary to some people. Not Hutch, of course.
and that is part of the reason 9-11 was different (and the scale which was/is unprecedented)..because in the US there wasn't a history of international terrorism.. not really.. there had been the previous attack on the World Trade Center but that was almost not talked about...just didn't have any impact.. I was obviously not saying that the actions of the PLO had had the same resonance here.. but in Europe?
9-11 did not change everything.. in some ways it helped keep everything the same... another excuse to find enemies (Iraq?) and fight bogus wars...etc.. another excuse to expand violations of people's civil rights.. BTW where is the outrage for the GITMO detainee detained for 13 years due to mistaken identity?
People like to think that events "change everything" but they don't... because human beings remain the same...the people who run our country are obsessed with fighting wars..listen to the Republicans in the debate; they'd have us fighting 4 wars at the same time if they could... when you go to the Museum of American History there is an exhibit on wars and its striking how few years we have actually not been fighting wars....our government SO wants to fight wars we even came up with the "War on Terror" .. inane. when we can't come up with wars the government helps make them up (Vietnam, WWII, the Spanish-American war, Cold War [how many lives ruined during the Red Scare over nothing] etc etc)
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you see.. saying 9-11 was different or changed things is one thing.. saying it CHANGED EVERRRYYYYTHING is silly..
the further away, in fact, we get from it the less it changed over the long term..if you think about it..
we still have to listen to God Bless America at baseball games.. hopefully that will change soon....
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you see.. saying 9-11 was different or changed things is one thing.. saying it CHANGED EVERRRYYYYTHING is silly..
the further away, in fact, we get from it the less it changed over the long term..if you think about it..
we still have to listen to God Bless America at baseball games.. hopefully that will change soon....
Oh Christ, now you sound like my know it all eight year old atheist daughter who wouldn't even stand when the Nats trotted out the legendary Judy Collins to sing the blessing. Grow up, kid.
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yuck: http://americannewsx.com/politics/hate-crime-passenger-rants-about-isis-then-shoots-muslim-driver-in-the-back-video/
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bono'd
http://www.stereogum.com/1847303/eagles-of-death-metal-will-perform-with-u2-in-paris-this-weekend/news/?utm_source=sc-fb&utm_medium=ref&utm_campaign
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More attacks in Europe:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/world/europe/coordinated-attacks-on-women-in-cologne-were-unprecedented-germany-says.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/05/germa...ogne-new-years-eve-sex-attacks
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046
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Why We Can?t Stay Silent on Germany?s Mass Sex Assaults
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/08/why-we-can-t-stay-silent-on-germany-s-mass-sex-assaults.html
It took several days for the news of hundreds of sexual assaults in Cologne to make headlines. As progressives dither over what to say, the far right has already seized the opportunity.
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Why We Can?t Stay Silent on Germany?s Mass Sex Assaults
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/08/why-we-can-t-stay-silent-on-germany-s-mass-sex-assaults.html
It took several days for the news of hundreds of sexual assaults in Cologne to make headlines. As progressives dither over what to say, the far right has already seized the opportunity.
Why stop with the Muslims...we need to get those Papa New Guineans too
Indeed, among the worst offenders is Papua New Guinea, where two-thirds of women are subjected to some kind of physical or sexual violence, and rapists from ?raskol? gangs are happy to pose for
photos after their latest rape.
Let's be clear this is a heinous act
but to say this is a 'Muslim' thing is a little absurd
it's a violence against women thing, which in this modern era shouldn't be tolerated no matter what religion or region you hail from
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Let's be clear this is a heinous act
but to say this is a 'Muslim' thing is a little absurd
it's a violence against women thing, which in this modern era shouldn't be tolerated no matter what religion or region you hail from
well said.
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Why We Can?t Stay Silent on Germany?s Mass Sex Assaults
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/08/why-we-can-t-stay-silent-on-germany-s-mass-sex-assaults.html
It took several days for the news of hundreds of sexual assaults in Cologne to make headlines. As progressives dither over what to say, the far right has already seized the opportunity.
Why stop with the Muslims...we need to get those Papa New Guineans too
Indeed, among the worst offenders is Papua New Guinea, where two-thirds of women are subjected to some kind of physical or sexual violence, and rapists from ?raskol? gangs are happy to pose for
photos after their latest rape.
Let's be clear this is a heinous act
but to say this is a 'Muslim' thing is a little absurd
it's a violence against women thing, which in this modern era shouldn't be tolerated no matter what religion or region you hail from
Though not as egregious as the acts themselves, the Koln mayor's directions to women on how they should behave to prevent further attacks was pretty rancid.
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Why We Can?t Stay Silent on Germany?s Mass Sex Assaults
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/08/why-we-can-t-stay-silent-on-germany-s-mass-sex-assaults.html
It took several days for the news of hundreds of sexual assaults in Cologne to make headlines. As progressives dither over what to say, the far right has already seized the opportunity.
Why stop with the Muslims...we need to get those Papa New Guineans too
Indeed, among the worst offenders is Papua New Guinea, where two-thirds of women are subjected to some kind of physical or sexual violence, and rapists from ?raskol? gangs are happy to pose for
photos after their latest rape.
Let's be clear this is a heinous act
but to say this is a 'Muslim' thing is a little absurd
it's a violence against women thing, which in this modern era shouldn't be tolerated no matter what religion or region you hail from
Though not as egregious as the acts themselves, the Koln mayor's directions to women on how they should behave to prevent further attacks was pretty rancid.
why you don't think this is good advice :)
"There?s always the possibility of keeping a certain distance of more than an arm?s length ? that is to say to make sure yourself you don?t look to be too close to people who are not known to you, and to whom you don?t have a trusting relationship," Henriette Reker said
seems like it would be hard to walk down a city street with you 6 foot 'arms length' barrier
guess women shouldn't go the the 9:30 club...wait seems like they are following Reker's advice!
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Let's be clear this is a heinous act
but to say this is a 'Muslim' thing is a little absurd
it's a violence against women thing, which in this modern era shouldn't be tolerated no matter what religion or region you hail from
well said.
What I found truly heinous and alarming about this thing was that the attacks on women were planned and coordinated by large groups of men. Which goes way beyond the shitiness of typical individual sexual attacks that are the norm when it comes to sexual violence.
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Why We Can?t Stay Silent on Germany?s Mass Sex Assaults
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/08/why-we-can-t-stay-silent-on-germany-s-mass-sex-assaults.html
It took several days for the news of hundreds of sexual assaults in Cologne to make headlines. As progressives dither over what to say, the far right has already seized the opportunity.
Why stop with the Muslims...we need to get those Papa New Guineans too
Indeed, among the worst offenders is Papua New Guinea, where two-thirds of women are subjected to some kind of physical or sexual violence, and rapists from ?raskol? gangs are happy to pose for
photos after their latest rape.
Let's be clear this is a heinous act
but to say this is a 'Muslim' thing is a little absurd
it's a violence against women thing, which in this modern era shouldn't be tolerated no matter what religion or region you hail from
Not to mention, but there are also still legitimate modern day witch hunts in New Guinea. If you have the time, I'd read this, it's truly insane:
http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/they-burn-witches-here/
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More attacks at Swedish music festival?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/12/world/europe/swedish-police-coverup-sexual-assault.html
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tragedy in Istanbul :(
http://wric.com/ap/reports-several-injured-in-explosion-in-istanbul/
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this thread is no longer about either, paris, or the eagles of death metal, anymore. le, sigh.
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le, sigh.
couldn't have said it better
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I blame, Julian.
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if only it were that simple, I do it all the time and it changes absolutely nothing
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Try it, with commas.
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I blame, Julian.
if only it were that simple, I do it all the time and it changes absolutely nothing
Try it, with commas.
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https://www.facebook.com/faisalalmutar/posts/1056053757778164?fref=nf&pnref=story.unseen-section
Faisal Saeed Al Mutar
3 hrs ·
Seems like the apologists have a template:
They just change the name of the city after each terrorist attack.
We condemn the attack, they make us look bad, how about israel? How about Bush? Drones bro.
It was made by Jews, influenced by Atheists.
Terrorism has no religion.
Capitalism is bad.
The west is bad.
All religions have their extremists.
And the list goes on.
I really don't blame the apologists anymore, I blame the liberals with an IQ of a potato who retweet their stuff.
I was supposed to shut up, but I just can't.
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animals
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https://www.facebook.com/faisalalmutar/posts/1056053757778164?fref=nf&pnref=story.unseen-section
Faisal Saeed Al Mutar
3 hrs ·
Seems like the apologists have a template:
They just change the name of the city after each terrorist attack.
We condemn the attack, they make us look bad, how about israel? How about Bush? Drones bro.
It was made by Jews, influenced by Atheists.
Terrorism has no religion.
Capitalism is bad.
The west is bad.
All religions have their extremists.
And the list goes on.
I really don't blame the apologists anymore, I blame the liberals with an IQ of a potato who retweet their stuff.
I was supposed to shut up, but I just can't.
Oh you should totally try shutting up again.
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so does space only post here when white people die?
Nigeria... :'(
So woman bombers are now pretty much a regular thing
ISIS is soon going to get what they want...there just appears to be no end
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so does space only post here when white people die?
Nigeria... :'(
So woman bombers are now pretty much a regular thing
ISIS is soon going to get what they want...there just appears to be no end
How do you know everyone who died in Brussels or Paris was white? An African-American friend of mine was in Brussels when this happened. But to answer your question, I'll copy and paste my wife's Facebook post.
Also, yes, I am sorry I didn't post anything about Ankara the other day. I do not have any personal connection to Turkey. I have, however, been to Belgium a few times, enjoy many of the county's cultural offerings, have Belgian friends and friends that were in Brussels last night (they are OK).
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drag
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so, is how disappointed are folks that EoDM's only area appearance is at a festival and not the club?
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Pretty bummed tbh
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I thought Space had a muslim thread, but I couldn't find it.
http://pagesix.com/2016/04/20/lindsay-lohan-is-converting-to-islam/?_ga=1.191666659.853181283.1458687060
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I thought Space had a muslim thread, but I couldn't find it.
http://pagesix.com/2016/04/20/lindsay-lohan-is-converting-to-islam/?_ga=1.191666659.853181283.1458687060
Poor thing. Given the state of her acting career, she probably figured it's the only way left she can get on a watch list.
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^ good burn.
(because all muslims are terrorists, so converting instantly makes you a terror suspect, right?)
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Should male refugees be allowed to live with their child brides?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-brides-idUSKCN0XI1MZ?il=0
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Should male refugees be allowed to live with their child brides?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-brides-idUSKCN0XI1MZ?il=0
"Of 31,000 asylum seekers who arrived in Norway in the past year or so, 10 of those aged under 16 -- the minimum local age for sex or marriage -- were married"
clearly this is a RAMPANT societal problem that puts blood on the hands of ALL muslims. everywhere.
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Alishba Zarmeen
8 hrs ·
Fuck your "world hijab day" and hijab solidarity apologist shit.
This is one of the many reasons why hijab solidarity shit is no different than confederate-flag-is-my-heritage shit.
Your right to sport one is free speech, yes, but you aren't the persecuted ones.
Still waiting for the day when Hijabis would show hijabless solidarity with countless women who're killed, imprisoned, and attacked violently for refusing to place themselves in the 6th century.
https://www.facebook.com/azarmeen?fref=nf&pnref=story
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/16/iranian-models-arrested-for-posting-pictures-without-headscarves/?cid=sf26355073+sf26355073
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keep ragin', space, keep on a-ragin'.
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keep ragin', space, keep on a-ragin'.
The Great Hypocritical Muslim Cover-Up
?World Hijab Day? is worse than passé. It?s time to make the veil a matter of choice in Iran and Saudi Arabia, for starters.
Many of my fellow Muslims have been encouraging non-Muslim women to wear a headscarf in solidarity with Muslims. They call it ?World Hijab Day.? Constrained by the limited horizons of their Western context, and rightfully concerned with rising anti-Muslim bigotry in the United States and Europe, a few non-Muslim women have obliged by donning a headscarf. I believe that these women were wrong to do so, and here?s why.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/29/the-great-hypocritical-muslim-cover-up.html
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My uncle used to have a saying: "Shoot 'em all and let God sort them out." Unfortunately, one day he put his theory into practice. It took 75 Federal Marshals to bring him down. Now let's never speak of this again.
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My uncle used to have a saying: "Shoot 'em all and let God sort them out." Unfortunately, one day he put his theory into practice. It took 75 Federal Marshals to bring him down. Now let's never speak of this again.
So if your uncle was Arthur Bouvier, does that make you Marge Simpson?
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This is why we vote for secular liberals, not religious conservatives.
Muslim states block gay groups from U.N. AIDS meeting; U.S. protests
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-un-lgbt-aids-idUSKCN0Y827F
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does that make you Marge Simpson?
Patty
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wow I never realized Jesse Hughes was such a douchebag...
https://www.yahoo.com/music/bataclan-denies-entry-eagles-death-metal-venue-boss-222305559.html
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wow I never realized Jesse Hughes was such a douchebag...
https://www.yahoo.com/music/bataclan-denies-entry-eagles-death-metal-venue-boss-222305559.html
Hmmmmm. I wonder how I'd feel watching dozens and dozens of my fans get slaughtered and how I'd cope with that. And how I'd be replaying everything in my mind wondering how I could have stopped it. Interesting how La Bataclan let Pete Doherty perform as planned when he hasn't done anything offensive.
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/pete-doherty-apologizes-after-singing-nazi-anthem-in-germany-20091201
It wasn't just La Bataclan that had to endure the tragedy. I, for one, am interested to see the Colin Hanks documentary. Might help color in some of the lines before casting judgment on someone. Of course I don't understand the Trump support thing at all and can't really get on board with that.
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yeah I figured you wouldn't see it that way.. .but I have to say I been following it for a year now and there's just a lot of stuff he's done and said that has rubbed me the wrong way...
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Me too. But can you imagine what that guy went through? I can't.
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their manager, is denying it went down, that way.
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Me too. But can you imagine what that guy went through? I can't.
that is true.. i can't
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wow I never realized Jesse Hughes was such a douchebag...
https://www.yahoo.com/music/bataclan-denies-entry-eagles-death-metal-venue-boss-222305559.html
You are so right. Further proof of douchebaggery:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/30/eagles-of-death-metal-s-wild-frontman-a-gun-toting-trump-supporting-reverend.html
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Really disappointing to read all this stuff on him. Sounds like he's pretty damaged and the experience has only encouraged this douchiness. Bummer.
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wow I never realized Jesse Hughes was such a douchebag...
https://www.yahoo.com/music/bataclan-denies-entry-eagles-death-metal-venue-boss-222305559.html
Wow holy shit I never heard any of this. Never thought he would be this way. Totally changes how I feel about him. Cripes.
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wow I never realized Jesse Hughes was such a douchebag...
https://www.yahoo.com/music/bataclan-denies-entry-eagles-death-metal-venue-boss-222305559.html
Wow holy shit I never heard any of this. Never thought he would be this way. Totally changes how I feel about him. Cripes.
Kind of ruins the music for me because everything seems phony as heck as well. Like he's a con man.
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wow I never realized Jesse Hughes was such a douchebag...
https://www.yahoo.com/music/bataclan-denies-entry-eagles-death-metal-venue-boss-222305559.html
Wow holy shit I never heard any of this. Never thought he would be this way. Totally changes how I feel about him. Cripes.
Kind of ruins the music for me because everything seems phony as heck as well. Like he's a con man.
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