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Title: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on November 21, 2017, 11:52:26 am
John Conyers:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/paulmcleod/she-complained-that-a-powerful-congressman-harassed-her?utm_term=.wuM1W9YZw#.tuDVGKEkq

Oliver Stone:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/oliver-stone-accused-groping-tv-actress-early-1990s-1048468
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on November 21, 2017, 12:33:22 pm
(https://nyppagesix.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/arianna_h-_al_franken_harry_benson_2000_lg.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=500)
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: hutch on November 21, 2017, 01:17:17 pm
Yikes
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on November 21, 2017, 05:49:38 pm
John Conyers:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/paulmcleod/she-complained-that-a-powerful-congressman-harassed-her?utm_term=.wuM1W9YZw#.tuDVGKEkq


on a side note, who the hell votes for an 88 year old?
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on November 21, 2017, 05:50:30 pm
(http://epguides.com/Ropers/cast.jpg)
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on November 21, 2017, 06:11:47 pm
The co-founder of Pixar.

(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/11/22/business/22PIXAR1/merlin_129860052_ad4ae47f-346a-4c3e-97b9-15a2922ed11b-blog427.jpg)
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on November 21, 2017, 08:12:46 pm
nytimes is keeping this up to date
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/10/us/men-accused-sexual-misconduct-weinstein.html
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on November 21, 2017, 10:03:15 pm
Ron Jeremy

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/inside-ron-jeremy-sexual-misconduct-allegations-w511844
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on November 22, 2017, 09:59:49 am
Ron Jeremy

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/inside-ron-jeremy-sexual-misconduct-allegations-w511844
almost seems like it should go in the Onion thread
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on November 22, 2017, 11:27:39 am
Nick Carter

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/backstreet-boys-nick-carter-accused-of-rape-w512416
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on November 23, 2017, 11:31:21 am
Two More Women Accuse Sen. Al Franken Of Inappropriate Touching  (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/two-more-women-accuse-sen-al-franken-of-inappropriate-touching/ar-BBFvYfm?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp)
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on November 25, 2017, 06:31:09 pm
(https://www.billboard.com/bbbiz/photos/stylus//1202259-Seth-Hurwitz-Richard-Brason-Grace-Potter-617.jpg)

The one on the right (https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/richard-branson-accused-of-sexual-assault-by-joss-stone’s-backup-singer/ar-BBFCtai?li=AA2qN5v&ocid=spartandhp)
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: hutch on November 25, 2017, 06:58:08 pm
I xperience similar sucky emotions on this thread to dropping like flies
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on November 28, 2017, 12:22:06 pm
https://mobile.nytimes.com/aponline/2017/11/28/us/ap-us-congress-sexual-misconduct-conyers.html
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on November 29, 2017, 08:40:21 am
(https://tribwpmt.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/872271992.jpg?quality=85&strip=all&w=612)
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: hutch on November 29, 2017, 08:50:30 am
Now that one would not surprise me.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on November 29, 2017, 09:06:03 am
(https://tribwpmt.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/872271992.jpg?quality=85&strip=all&w=612)
Similar to Louis CK, not surprised at all. Maybe my creep radar is just more finely attuned than most.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on November 29, 2017, 09:09:33 am
Wow, Matt Lauer was just fired from NBC for “inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplace.” But when will the top executives at NBC & Comcast be fired for putting out so much Fake News. Check out Andy Lack’s past!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/935844881825763328
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Bent Reznor on November 29, 2017, 09:12:35 am
Maybe my creep radar is just more finely attuned than most.

So you have groper-radar? Shame on you for not exposing these creeps sooner!  Who else is on your secret list?
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on November 29, 2017, 09:16:28 am
Count me in the "previously thought Lauer was a creep" category. I guess he's not really a star.

(https://pics.me.me/when-youre-a-star-they-let-you-do-it-grab-4559170.png)
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on November 29, 2017, 09:20:00 am
Maybe my creep radar is just more finely attuned than most.

So you have groper-radar? Shame on you for not exposing these creeps sooner!  Who else is on your secret list?
Robert Downey Jr, Charie Sheen, Richard Branson, Steven Spielberg, Brian Kelly, Jay-Z, Drew Carey, Malcolm Gladwell, Prince Harry, Gene Wilder, Conor Oberst, Joel Olsteen, Ray LaMontagne et al.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on November 29, 2017, 09:22:40 am
Robert Downey Jr, Charie Sheen,

Really going out on a limb there....
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on November 29, 2017, 09:36:09 am
(https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2017/11/08/08-jeffrey-tambor-2.w190.h190.2x.jpg)

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/11/jeffrey-tambor-leaves-transparent-sexual-misconduct-allegations
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Bent Reznor on November 29, 2017, 11:27:08 am
Maybe my creep radar is just more finely attuned than most.

So you have groper-radar? Shame on you for not exposing these creeps sooner!  Who else is on your secret list?
Robert Downey Jr, Charie Sheen, Richard Branson, Steven Spielberg, Brian Kelly, Jay-Z, Drew Carey, Malcolm Gladwell, Prince Harry, Gene Wilder, Conor Oberst, Joel Olsteen, Ray LaMontagne et al.

Pretty sure you missed the ball on Gene Wilder.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on November 29, 2017, 12:02:08 pm
Maybe my creep radar is just more finely attuned than most.

So you have groper-radar? Shame on you for not exposing these creeps sooner!  Who else is on your secret list?
Robert Downey Jr, Charie Sheen, Richard Branson, Steven Spielberg, Brian Kelly, Jay-Z, Drew Carey, Malcolm Gladwell, Prince Harry, Gene Wilder, Conor Oberst, Joel Olsteen, Ray LaMontagne et al.
Pretty sure you missed the ball on Gene Wilder.
A grope is a grope, bro.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Yada on November 29, 2017, 12:14:19 pm
 curious about what happened to innocence until proven guilty?
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on November 29, 2017, 12:25:01 pm
curious about what happened to innocence until proven guilty?
I know, that is the biggest issue right now
I think that a lot of these current ones are probably are guilty, but what's to stop people from just contacting news outlets and saying "Obama groped me" and then they run with the story

I really think people should be filing police reports and not posting on twitter
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on November 29, 2017, 12:31:04 pm
curious about what happened to innocence until proven guilty?
No one is being incarcerated without a trial over these allegations, so innocent until proven guilty is still in play.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on November 29, 2017, 01:50:30 pm
curious about what happened to innocence until proven guilty?
No one is being incarcerated without a trial over these allegations, so innocent until proven guilty is still in play.

Well yeah, except in the eyes of their employer.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on November 29, 2017, 01:53:45 pm
I'm shocked Julian didn't have Garrison Keilor on his list.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on November 29, 2017, 02:04:18 pm
curious about what happened to innocence until proven guilty?

Somebody sounds a little defensive...
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on November 29, 2017, 03:05:20 pm
I'm shocked Julian didn't have Garrison Keilor on his list.
Great call. Definitely a diddler. Total oversight on my part.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: vansmack on November 29, 2017, 03:36:02 pm
Well yeah, except in the eyes of their employer.

Generally, the only limitations for a private employer firing someone (non-union) is if the termination is based on the employee's race, gender, national origin, disability, religion or age (so long as the employee is at least 40 years old).

Just about everything else is fair game, so long as it's not retaliatory for whistle blowing, but even then, good luck getting your job back. 

And most of these have gone through a human resources review, which is just about all the employer needs.

Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on November 30, 2017, 11:23:09 am
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/30/politics/al-franken-groping-allegation/index.html
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: sweetcell on November 30, 2017, 02:37:37 pm
(https://i0.wp.com/theintrepidangler.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/UW-Gag-Grouper-2000.jpg)
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Yada on November 30, 2017, 05:23:26 pm
(http://media.nj.com/entertainment_impact_tv/photo/geraldo-rivera-injuryjpg-7a1970bc6e1d0c39_large.jpg)
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Yada on November 30, 2017, 05:39:09 pm
(https://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Garrison_Keillor_6190507095.jpg)
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on November 30, 2017, 08:43:21 pm
(https://i0.wp.com/theintrepidangler.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/UW-Gag-Grouper-2000.jpg)
isn't that a grouper?
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: hutch on December 01, 2017, 12:52:52 am
Adrock's dad
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Bent Reznor on December 01, 2017, 09:52:07 am
Maybe my creep radar is just more finely attuned than most.

So you have groper-radar? Shame on you for not exposing these creeps sooner!  Who else is on your secret list?
Robert Downey Jr, Charie Sheen, Richard Branson, Steven Spielberg, Brian Kelly, Jay-Z, Drew Carey, Malcolm Gladwell, Prince Harry, Gene Wilder, Conor Oberst, Joel Olsteen, Ray LaMontagne et al.
Pretty sure you missed the ball on Gene Wilder.
A grope is a grope, bro.

Theres a "cold, dead hand" joke somewhere in there.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on December 01, 2017, 10:07:51 am
Does sexual harassment happen as much among non-celebrities as it seems to happen among celebrities? Honestly, I'm kind of shocked by all if this. I thought only rude, coarse, low-life construction worker type men acted like this. How naive I was.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: hutch on December 01, 2017, 10:11:49 am
Its not about men but power.....people with power use it to get what they want no matter how inappropriate and illegal...


Also America's obsession with money does not help. It is all about making $....People exploit and take advantage of this sad reality...
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: sweetcell on December 01, 2017, 07:02:55 pm
isn't that a grouper?

Yes, that's the joke.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 01, 2017, 07:10:00 pm
I would also like to add both Manning brothers, Bill Simmons, Paul Ryan, and Jim jefferies to the list of people who set off my groper radar.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: sweetcell on December 01, 2017, 07:33:11 pm
I would also like to add both Manning brothers, Bill Simmons, Paul Ryan, and Jim jefferies to the list of people who set off my groper radar.

unfortunately you get no points for calling out jim jeffries.  he admits to being a sleaze and a horrible person.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 01, 2017, 10:00:38 pm
I would also like to add both Manning brothers, Bill Simmons, Paul Ryan, and Jim jefferies to the list of people who set off my groper radar.

unfortunately you get no points for calling out jim jeffries.  he admits to being a sleaze and a horrible person.
This is not about points. This is about awareness. If you sense something, say something.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on December 04, 2017, 01:01:30 pm
(http://www.metopera.org/metoperafiles/artist_pages/2015-16/Levine,%20James.jpg)

The Metropolitan Opera suspended James Levine, its revered conductor and former music director, on Sunday after three men came forward with accusations that Mr. Levine sexually abused them decades ago, when the men were teenagers.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 04, 2017, 01:42:05 pm
(http://www.metopera.org/metoperafiles/artist_pages/2015-16/Levine,%20James.jpg)
I have no idea who that is, but just by looking at him, I could tell you he is a pervy weirdo.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: vansmack on December 04, 2017, 06:26:55 pm
Robert Downey Jr, Charie Sheen, Richard Branson, Steven Spielberg, Brian Kelly, Jay-Z, Drew Carey, Malcolm Gladwell, Prince Harry, Gene Wilder, Conor Oberst, Joel Olsteen, Ray LaMontagne et al.

Just saw an ad on FB that Bob Saget is performing in Berkeley this weekend, but before I knew it was an ad, I thought he was the next to go down.  Upon seeing it was just an ad, I though, "how is he not on Julian's list?  Or Uncle Joey for that matter?" 
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Yada on December 05, 2017, 01:20:38 pm
Upcoming predictions unless this 15 minutes of news cycle has already moved on from sexual harassment.

Ryan Seacrest
Simon Cowell
Randy Jackson
Jeff Probst
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on December 05, 2017, 01:30:22 pm
Upcoming predictions unless this 15 minutes of news cycle has already moved on from sexual harassment.

Ryan Seacrest
Simon Cowell
Randy Jackson
Jeff Probst

For Seacrest, would it be groping other men, or groping women?
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 05, 2017, 02:12:08 pm
Upcoming predictions unless this 15 minutes of news cycle has already moved on from sexual harassment.

Ryan Seacrest
Simon Cowell
Randy Jackson
Jeff Probst

For Seacrest, would it be groping other men, or groping women?
People sub-5'2", regardless of gender.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on December 05, 2017, 07:09:10 pm
Some dude from a Netflix series and the Church of Scientology (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/05/business/media/danny-masterson-fired-netflix.html)
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 05, 2017, 08:17:13 pm
(https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fewedit.files.wordpress.com%2F2017%2F12%2Fgettyimages-632964550.jpg%3Fw%3D450&w=800&q=85)


Robert Knepper
Prison Break, etc dude

http://ew.com/tv/2017/12/05/robert-knepper-sexual-misconduct-accusations
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on December 05, 2017, 10:55:59 pm
Some chick that was on the Voice.

http://people.com/music/melanie-martinez-denies-allegations-sexual-assault-former-friend/
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on December 07, 2017, 09:23:53 am
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.3104673.1493241782!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_320/warren-moon.jpg)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/retired-nfl-star-warren-moon-is-sued-for-sexual-harassment/ar-BBGjPtC?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on December 07, 2017, 08:19:31 pm
20-30 more members of Congress?

https://twitter.com/mikehtrujillo/status/938815136571129856
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: hutch on December 07, 2017, 09:21:10 pm
I wish Americans could draw a distinction between pedophiles and rapists and people who cop a feel but apparently its all the same now...arguably copping a feel, or taking an inappropriate picture is a worse offense judging by the consequences...

Feeling sad and bitter...






Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on December 07, 2017, 09:34:59 pm
I wish Americans could draw a distinction between pedophiles and rapists and people who cop a feel but apparently its all the same now...arguably copping a feel, or taking an inappropriate picture is a worse offense judging by the consequences...

Feeling sad and bitter...

yup
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Bent Reznor on December 07, 2017, 10:06:32 pm
I wish Americans could draw a distinction between pedophiles and rapists and people who cop a feel but apparently its all the same now...arguably copping a feel, or taking an inappropriate picture is a worse offense judging by the consequences...

Feeling sad and bitter...








Which of these is ok?
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: hutch on December 07, 2017, 10:28:06 pm
^Exhibit A of the American who cannot draw distinctions
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Bent Reznor on December 07, 2017, 10:41:49 pm
No, tell me.  Which should we be ok with?


Do you feel persecuted for doing some of these things without consent?
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on December 07, 2017, 10:53:23 pm
I think he's defending the serial gropers.  Apparently groping women is de rigeur in his native Latin America.

"For women it’s particularly important to keep your wits as much as possible. In the huge clubs and notorious pick-up joints of Buenos Aires — some of the Irish bars of the Retiro neighborhood jump to mind — women may receive unwanted random groping from young men who can’t handle their alcohol. "

http://www.humanosphere.org/human-rights/2016/01/women-in-latin-american-cities-face-higher-rates-of-sexual-assault-and-the-number-is-growing/

Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Bent Reznor on December 07, 2017, 11:05:12 pm
Ive heard the tokyo subway is a creeperfest too. 
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on December 08, 2017, 10:01:31 am
Director of the X-Men series (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/07/movies/bryan-singer-sexual-assault.html)

And another Congressperson (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/04/blake-farenthold-sexual-harass-greene-278869)

(https://am14.akamaized.net/med/cnt/uploads/2017/07/farenthold-650x462.png)
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: hutch on December 08, 2017, 10:53:34 am
No not defending it...sorry you could not grasp the point...again proving my point..
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on December 08, 2017, 11:00:30 am
No not defending it...sorry you could not grasp the point...again proving my point..

Your point being that Franken is less bad than Weinstein because groping at least eight women during photo ops is less bad than using your position of power to coerce more than 40 women to have sex with you (and possibly raping a couple who refused the coercion).  Yes, we simple-minded Americans get the distinction.  But that distinction matters little because a sexual predator is still a sexual predator.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Yada on December 08, 2017, 11:16:44 am
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5079685/miss-bum-bum-champion-rosie-oliveira-groped-sao-paulo/
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on December 08, 2017, 11:20:58 am
Actually, the distinction does matter when we as a society mete out punishment for the guilty parties. Only a simpleton would think Moore should be in a better position at this point than Franken.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Yada on December 08, 2017, 12:03:26 pm
Actually, the distinction does matter when we as a society mete out punishment for the guilty parties. Only a simpleton would think Moore should be in a better position at this point than Franken.

Nothing worse than agreeing with Space, but I do.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on December 08, 2017, 12:13:40 pm
Actually, the distinction does matter when we as a society mete out punishment for the guilty parties. Only a simpleton would think Moore should be in a better position at this point than Franken.

Nothing worse than agreeing with Space, but I do.
That's why there are different levels of felonies and misdemeanors.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Yada on December 08, 2017, 12:24:27 pm
Actually, the distinction does matter when we as a society mete out punishment for the guilty parties. Only a simpleton would think Moore should be in a better position at this point than Franken.

Nothing worse than agreeing with Space, but I do.
That's why there are different levels of felonies and misdemeanors.

I'm not saying it's not disgusting and not a crime, but when lumping in someone who takes racy photos or grabs an ass/breast vs. pedophile and rape, yeah, it's a pretty big difference.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on December 08, 2017, 12:36:54 pm
I'm agreeing with you. First degree murder is not the same as involuntary manslaughter. I wish people would distinguish, because Roy Moore is by far a way bigger piece of shit than Al Franken. That being said, both are pieces of shit nonetheless.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: hutch on December 08, 2017, 12:56:14 pm
Ha ha Al Franken is a sexual predator???


When you equate him with Moore or Weinstein you really show you do not know what you are talking about.

Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Bent Reznor on December 08, 2017, 12:56:28 pm
Neither one should take a leadership role in this country, and neither should be in a position of power.  One of them more neither than the other.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on December 08, 2017, 12:59:46 pm
Ha ha Al Franken is a sexual predator???


When you equate him with Moore or Weinstein you really show you do not know what you are talking about.


Franken's not a sexual predator?  The number of women who have claimed he groped them or more is currently at eight and has been growing in recent days.

So what is your threshold for what qualifies as sexual predation?
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: hutch on December 08, 2017, 01:09:40 pm
I felt about a week ago that he needed to and should resign but part of the reason is the sheer idiocy of the American people - as we see on this thread- with people calling someone who one could better classify as somewhat lecherous as a sexual predator...

Grabbing an ass cheek is tantamount to rape? Wow

I fucking hate to think of all the men out there who have asked for a blow job using every reason they could think of to get one from an unwilling partner


And calling Al Franken a "piece of shit"?  Wow. He definitely exhibited inappropriate behavior assuming the accounts are true as I have to think they are..but that is about it and you have to take a life in totality..
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: hutch on December 08, 2017, 01:12:03 pm
Out on this thread..total waste of time..you have your scalp..feel superior now as you call him a sexual predator and piece of shit.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on December 08, 2017, 01:56:30 pm
Nobody is equating grabbing an ass cheek with rape, so lose the strawman. 

That being said, one ass grabbing is a lapse of judgment. Eight instances over a decade is a pattern. Is this less bad than rape? Sure. Manslaughter is less bad than first degree murder, but both are homicides. Sorry you foreigners can't grasp the nuances.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 08, 2017, 02:01:52 pm
Just want to remind people that while we do not have a living breathing moderator body that has the testicular fortitude to ban the scourge on our community that is Hutch, we do have the block feature. Be the change you want to see in the world. I’ve been hutch free for months and it’s wonderful.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on December 08, 2017, 03:55:04 pm
It sounds like Hutch's wife won't give him a blow job.

Offer her a nice massage or scratch her back while you're having a Netflix night.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on December 08, 2017, 05:51:05 pm
Actually, the distinction does matter when we as a society mete out punishment for the guilty parties. Only a simpleton would think Moore should be in a better position at this point than Franken.

Nothing worse than agreeing with Space, but I do.
That's why there are different levels of felonies and misdemeanors.

I'm not saying it's not disgusting and not a crime, but when lumping in someone who takes racy photos or grabs an ass/breast vs. pedophile and rape, yeah, it's a pretty big difference.

Since we're drawing distinctions, technically, Moore is possibly a rapist, but not a pedophile. Still, far, far worse than what Franken did, imo. Not that I'm excusing Franken for his atrocious behavior.

Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on December 09, 2017, 05:27:06 pm
only in Michigan... (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dana-nessel-campaign-ad_us_5a1f1116e4b0d52b8dc25af9)
but gotta say it's a hard case to argue

(https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5a1f1237140000196c50fe3d.png?cache=xtt10p2b2a&ops=1910_1000)

news is going so fast stuff like this just doesn't get noticed
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on December 11, 2017, 02:21:06 pm
Mario Batali
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: hutch on December 11, 2017, 06:24:01 pm
Ryan Lizza
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on December 11, 2017, 07:49:52 pm
Ryan Lizza

Never heard of him. Is this someone famous or just one of your friends?
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on December 11, 2017, 08:05:47 pm
NPR host Tom Ashbrook
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: hutch on December 11, 2017, 08:26:20 pm
Ryan Lizza

Never heard of him. Is this someone famous or just one of your friends?

He is a pretty well known reporter.

Are you trying to say I am a groper and by extension so are my friends because I think that while what Al Franken did is wrong and he should have resigned he should not be lumped in with Moore and Weinstein?
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on December 11, 2017, 08:38:24 pm
Ryan Lizza

Never heard of him. Is this someone famous or just one of your friends?

He is a pretty well known reporter.

Are you trying to say I am a groper and by extension so are my friends because I think that while what Al Franken did is wrong and he should have resigned he should not be lumped in with Moore and Weinstein?

Nope, not at all.

And I'm pretty sure i was someone who actually (somewhat) agreed with you in terms of the Franken vs. Moore/Weinstein distinction.

It would jsut be helpful to say "Reporter Ryan Lizza." I didn't know who Tom Ashbrook was, either. But I know he's an NPR guy thanks to GGW prefacing the name with the job title. I wonder if he's a friend of Relaxer?
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: hutch on December 11, 2017, 10:38:38 pm
Larry King
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on December 12, 2017, 10:53:08 am
A bunch of NFL Network employees and former players (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/12/sports/marshall-faulk-nfl-network-sexual-harassment.html)
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on December 13, 2017, 09:07:53 am
Celebrity NYC Restaurateur Ken Friedman (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/12/dining/ken-friedman-sexual-harassment.html)

Head of the NYC Ballet (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/12/arts/dance/peter-martins-ballet-new-york-city-physical-abuse.html)

Netflix Exec Who Defended Netflix Star (https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/netflix-exec-who-told-alleged-danny-masterson-victim-company-didnt-believe-claims-no-longer-employed/ar-BBGFnuP?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp)
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 13, 2017, 10:10:01 pm
Tavis Smiley

the American dude judge on Great American Baking show.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 13, 2017, 10:43:39 pm
the super size me dude
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: hutch on December 14, 2017, 12:11:59 am
Oh
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Justin Tonation on December 14, 2017, 12:54:44 am
Yesterday: GOP lawmaker accused of rape sings about baby Jesus at press conference before calling victim a liar (https://www.rawstory.com/2017/12/gop-lawmaker-accused-of-rape-sings-about-baby-jesus-at-press-conference-before-calling-victim-a-liar/)

Today: Kentucky lawmaker who was accused of molesting a teenage girl likely killed himself, coroner says (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/12/13/kentucky-lawmaker-who-was-accused-of-molesting-a-teenage-girl-likely-killed-himself-coroner-says/)


(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/37162448/well-that-escalated-quickly.jpg)
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 14, 2017, 09:40:11 am
turning out pastry chef dude is a real creep
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Bent Reznor on December 17, 2017, 07:01:53 pm
Those cinnamon rolls, tho.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on December 17, 2017, 09:56:36 pm
The owner of the Charlotte Panthers.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: lily1 on December 18, 2017, 08:03:55 am
The reality is that probably a sizeable* of the world's heterosexual have done something untoward a woman (straight, bi, trans, etc.)

At least 3 times a week, sometimes every workday, I have some asshole(s) beeping at me, hanging out of their vehicle yelling something obscene or flat out driving along the side of me trying to get my attention as I walk the 10 minutes from the metro to the office (I work in the suburbs and commute out from DC.)

The best this year? Some creepy fuck stranger pulled into the parking lot and go out of the car and walked in with me to the building, got on the elevator (open building unfortunately), tried to make small talk regarding Tom Petty's passing, and then decided to attempt to ask me out.  All in the span of about 4 minutes. At 8.24 am on a Tuesday.

Now, my experiences do not compare at all with men or women who were victims of any sort of unwanted/unconsented physical/sexual activity. But it is a good example of every day harassment.  And if these assholes are doing this, who knows what else they are doing.

*edited because the value I provided prior is arbitrary with no data to back it up.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: walkonbyeeeeeeeee on December 18, 2017, 10:18:22 am
Men are pigs, yes . . . but what I find fascinating, is that, in the gay world, these types of overly sexual advances and acting like aggressive testosterone assholes, are the qualities from men they want.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on December 18, 2017, 11:17:55 am
The reality is that probably at least 3/4 of the world's heterosexual have done something untoward a woman (straight, bi, trans, etc.)

At least 3 times a week, sometimes every workday, I have some asshole(s) beeping at me, hanging out of their vehicle yelling something obscene or flat out driving along the side of me trying to get my attention as I walk the 10 minutes from the metro to the office (I work in the suburbs and commute out from DC.)

The best this year? Some creepy fuck stranger pulled into the parking lot and go out of the car and walked in with me to the building, got on the elevator (open building unfortunately), tried to make small talk regarding Tom Petty's passing, and then decided to attempt to ask me out.  All in the span of about 4 minutes. At 8.24 am on a Tuesday.

Now, my experiences do not compare at all with men or women who were victims of any sort of unwanted/unconsented physical/sexual activity. But it is a good example of every day harassment.  And if these assholes are doing this, who knows what else they are doing.

As someone who is basically quiet and shy, I personally would never have been that bold in my single days, but what exactly is so egregious and "creepy" about the behavior I bolded? It's certainly not sexual harassment. Is it possible the guy worked in the building and just happened to be pulling into his work parking lot and was taking the elevator to his workplace at 8:24am and was making small talk with a pretty woman he saw on the elevator? Are we going to make it a crime to ask someone  you find attractive out?
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 18, 2017, 11:26:14 am
The reality is that probably at least 3/4 of the world's heterosexual have done something untoward a woman (straight, bi, trans, etc.)
Depends how you define "untoward" I guess.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Justin Tonation on December 18, 2017, 11:52:37 am
The reality is that probably at least 3/4 of the world's heterosexual have done something untoward a woman (straight, bi, trans, etc.)

At least 3 times a week, sometimes every workday, I have some asshole(s) beeping at me, hanging out of their vehicle yelling something obscene or flat out driving along the side of me trying to get my attention as I walk the 10 minutes from the metro to the office (I work in the suburbs and commute out from DC.)

The best this year? Some creepy fuck stranger pulled into the parking lot and go out of the car and walked in with me to the building, got on the elevator (open building unfortunately), tried to make small talk regarding Tom Petty's passing, and then decided to attempt to ask me out.  All in the span of about 4 minutes. At 8.24 am on a Tuesday.

Now, my experiences do not compare at all with men or women who were victims of any sort of unwanted/unconsented physical/sexual activity. But it is a good example of every day harassment.  And if these assholes are doing this, who knows what else they are doing.

As someone who is basically quiet and shy, I personally would never have been that bold in my single days, but what exactly is so egregious and "creepy" about the behavior I bolded? It's certainly not sexual harassment. Is it possible the guy worked in the building and just happened to be pulling into his work parking lot and was taking the elevator to his workplace at 8:24am and was making small talk with a pretty woman he saw on the elevator? Are we going to make it a crime to ask someone  you find attractive out?

"Some creepy fuck stranger"
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on December 20, 2017, 03:58:21 pm
(https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/fashion/daily/2017/12/20/20-meryl-streep-she-knew.w710.h473.jpg)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/meryl-streep-targeted-by-street-artists-with-she-knew-posters/ar-BBH2syk

Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on December 21, 2017, 11:52:45 am
(https://www.artyfactory.com/art_appreciation/portraits/chuck_close/chuck-close-self-portrait.jpg)
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: lily1 on December 22, 2017, 12:18:37 am
That's a fair question and one that I actually got when I was relaying this event to a male colleague.

This individual did not work in my building and had no business in the building. I was able to ascertain that very quickly when I sussed him out with a quick question to confirm this.  In fact he told me he had seen me prior, presumably as he was driving down the street, and this time decided to quickly pull into the lot, park and jump out of his car to follow me when I was on the approach into the building and then hop the elevator with me.

I will add that he told me that he was riding with me to my floor to try to talk to me after the doors closed and I had no way to escape as the other floor was secured for another client and thus I could not exit until it hit my floor to which I hauled ass to my office and it's camera and locked door.

That creeped me out.
 
Does that help give more context?

The reality is that probably at least 3/4 of the world's heterosexual have done something untoward a woman (straight, bi, trans, etc.)

At least 3 times a week, sometimes every workday, I have some asshole(s) beeping at me, hanging out of their vehicle yelling something obscene or flat out driving along the side of me trying to get my attention as I walk the 10 minutes from the metro to the office (I work in the suburbs and commute out from DC.)

The best this year? Some creepy fuck stranger pulled into the parking lot and go out of the car and walked in with me to the building, got on the elevator (open building unfortunately), tried to make small talk regarding Tom Petty's passing, and then decided to attempt to ask me out.  All in the span of about 4 minutes. At 8.24 am on a Tuesday.

Now, my experiences do not compare at all with men or women who were victims of any sort of unwanted/unconsented physical/sexual activity. But it is a good example of every day harassment.  And if these assholes are doing this, who knows what else they are doing.

As someone who is basically quiet and shy, I personally would never have been that bold in my single days, but what exactly is so egregious and "creepy" about the behavior I bolded? It's certainly not sexual harassment. Is it possible the guy worked in the building and just happened to be pulling into his work parking lot and was taking the elevator to his workplace at 8:24am and was making small talk with a pretty woman he saw on the elevator? Are we going to make it a crime to ask someone  you find attractive out?
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: lily1 on December 22, 2017, 12:22:21 am
It was improper of me to throw out that unsubstantiated 3/4 figure. I'll own that and correct that.

That said, you are correct, "untoward" has many meanings and can vary depending on the setting.  And further to that, one person may consider the action harassment and another does not.

I'd just like to have an entire week where I walk to the office and it's entirely uneventful. That's my request to Santa this year. 

The reality is that probably at least 3/4 of the world's heterosexual have done something untoward a woman (straight, bi, trans, etc.)
Depends how you define "untoward" I guess.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on December 22, 2017, 09:38:09 am
That's a fair question and one that I actually got when I was relaying this event to a male colleague.

This individual did not work in my building and had no business in the building. I was able to ascertain that very quickly when I sussed him out with a quick question to confirm this.  In fact he told me he had seen me prior, presumably as he was driving down the street, and this time decided to quickly pull into the lot, park and jump out of his car to follow me when I was on the approach into the building and then hop the elevator with me.

I will add that he told me that he was riding with me to my floor to try to talk to me after the doors closed and I had no way to escape as the other floor was secured for another client and thus I could not exit until it hit my floor to which I hauled ass to my office and it's camera and locked door.

That creeped me out.
 
Does that help give more context?

The reality is that probably at least 3/4 of the world's heterosexual have done something untoward a woman (straight, bi, trans, etc.)

At least 3 times a week, sometimes every workday, I have some asshole(s) beeping at me, hanging out of their vehicle yelling something obscene or flat out driving along the side of me trying to get my attention as I walk the 10 minutes from the metro to the office (I work in the suburbs and commute out from DC.)

The best this year? Some creepy fuck stranger pulled into the parking lot and go out of the car and walked in with me to the building, got on the elevator (open building unfortunately), tried to make small talk regarding Tom Petty's passing, and then decided to attempt to ask me out.  All in the span of about 4 minutes. At 8.24 am on a Tuesday.

Now, my experiences do not compare at all with men or women who were victims of any sort of unwanted/unconsented physical/sexual activity. But it is a good example of every day harassment.  And if these assholes are doing this, who knows what else they are doing.

As someone who is basically quiet and shy, I personally would never have been that bold in my single days, but what exactly is so egregious and "creepy" about the behavior I bolded? It's certainly not sexual harassment. Is it possible the guy worked in the building and just happened to be pulling into his work parking lot and was taking the elevator to his workplace at 8:24am and was making small talk with a pretty woman he saw on the elevator? Are we going to make it a crime to ask someone  you find attractive out?

Wow, that *is*I creepy. Sorry that happened to you, and glad nothing more did.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on January 05, 2018, 12:32:51 pm
ben Vereen (https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/celebrity/broadway-big-ben-vereen-accused-of-sexual-assault-during-hair/ar-BBHTEii?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp)
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on January 10, 2018, 10:30:40 am
Michael Douglas

James Franco
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on January 11, 2018, 09:42:11 am
Michael Douglas

James Franco

My wife said, "I think he's gay anyway, but if James Franco hit on me, I'd be fine with it."
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: walkonbyeeeeeeeee on January 11, 2018, 09:54:00 am
Does your wife, have to be wearing a black dress, as she allows, and enjoys a man to sexually harass her?
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: shemptiness on January 11, 2018, 12:49:52 pm
Post reporter Joel Achenbach suspended for 90 days for ‘inappropriate workplace conduct’ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/post-reporter-joel-achenbach-suspended-for-90-days-for-inappropriate-workplace-conduct/2018/01/10/5fae0f4a-f645-11e7-a9e3-ab18ce41436a_story.html?utm_term=.88afad48dfd4)
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: sweetcell on January 11, 2018, 02:48:32 pm
Michael Douglas

James Franco

My wife said, "I think he's gay anyway, but if James Franco hit on me, I'd be fine with it."

i'm assuming that it takes more than hitting on someone to make the headlines, so the question becomes: would she be ok if franco stuck his hand down her pants, uninvited?  what if he told her that she needed to sleep with him to keep her job?  what if he did some other inappropriate act then threatened her if she ever told anyone?  inquiring minds want to know...
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on January 11, 2018, 03:43:18 pm
Michael Douglas

James Franco

My wife said, "I think he's gay anyway, but if James Franco hit on me, I'd be fine with it."

i'm assuming that it takes more than hitting on someone to make the headlines, so the question becomes: would she be ok if franco stuck his hand down her pants, uninvited?  what if he told her that she needed to sleep with him to keep her job?  what if he did some other inappropriate act then threatened her if she ever told anyone?  inquiring minds want to know...

I can't answer those questions but she did say she's "with Catherine Deneuve" and that women to some degree need to let "men be men as long as they're not doing any raping and if not James Franco, at least maybe my (sick as a dog for the past week) husband would hit on me."

Which I guess means if I don't get killed at the Cracker show tonight, I guess I should be a little flirty even if I feel like shit.

Sorry if that's TMI. Teleworking and barrel aged stout intermingling this afternoon.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Bent Reznor on January 11, 2018, 05:29:26 pm
Just be careful of flying bottles, man.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: walkonbyeeeeeeeee on January 11, 2018, 10:55:12 pm
For some reason, every time I think of James, I think of him getting blow jobs. And, it disturbs me.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on January 15, 2018, 06:12:28 pm
Aziz Ansari
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: walkonbyeeeeeeeee on January 16, 2018, 01:05:29 am
Aziz Ansari

This one, is going to backfire big time, and kill the movement that is known as me too. It already, has.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: hutch on January 16, 2018, 10:14:27 am
As long as men are thinking with their dicks and not brains this will continue...maybe under changing names...the overreach is unfortunate but so was the underreach for the entirety of humankind

Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on January 16, 2018, 12:11:16 pm
For some reason, every time I think of James, I think of him getting blow jobs. And, it disturbs me.

But isn't giving even more fun than receiving?
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: AnalogFossa on January 16, 2018, 12:20:30 pm
Seal
https://pitchfork.com/news/seal-under-investigation-for-forcible-kissing-and-groping-report/?mbid=homepage-more-latest-and-video
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: walkonbyeeeeeeeee on January 16, 2018, 12:21:21 pm
For some reason, every time I think of James, I think of him getting blow jobs. And, it disturbs me.

But isn't giving even more fun than receiving?

no, comment.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Justin Tonation on January 16, 2018, 03:31:06 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTr4MXGXkAIj9yS.jpg)

h/t @PulpLibrarian
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on January 25, 2018, 10:26:19 am
David Cop-A-Feel:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/david-copperfield-accused-of-drugging-assaulting-17-year-old-model-in-1988-exclusive/ar-AAv8lMC?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on January 26, 2018, 07:09:45 pm
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/26/us/politics/hillary-clinton-chose-to-shield-a-top-adviser-accused-of-harassment-in-2008.html
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on January 28, 2018, 02:10:28 pm
Chachi (https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/scott-baio-denies-he-molested-nicole-eggert-when-she-was-14/ar-BBIjSbQ?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp)
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on January 29, 2018, 12:51:43 pm
Aziz Ansari

This one, is going to backfire big time, and kill the movement that is known as me too. It already, has.

I posted this, but I still don't understand what happened with this one. Can someone please explain what happened with Aziz Ansari to this rather dull married guy who was too timid to ever harass anybody?
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 29, 2018, 01:15:04 pm
Can someone please explain what happened with Aziz Ansari to this rather dull married guy who was too timid to ever harass anybody?
You'd have to read her account to fully understand the nebulous and controversial nature of this allegation fully.

Her account has (1) Aziz stopping when she says stop, (2) Aziz offering and getting her transportation when she requested to leave, and (3) no mention of her ever saying she did not want to engage in oral sex. Her account also features her texting Aziz the next day and saying (paraphrase) "after thinking about it, I did not want to have oral sex and despite me not saying that and going along you should've intuited that from my body language" after which Aziz expressed shock and regret over this. Her account also spends an inordinate amount of time on Aziz pouring her a glass of red wine without first asking her if she'd prefer white wine.

For the record, I think Aziz Ansari is a totally talentless individual who is annoying and would work at a Burger King if he were Caucasian. I also think he is probably a sleezeball sexually.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on January 29, 2018, 01:24:15 pm
Can someone please explain what happened with Aziz Ansari to this rather dull married guy who was too timid to ever harass anybody?
You'd have to read her account to fully understand the nebulous and controversial nature of this allegation fully.

Her account has (1) Aziz stopping when she says stop, (2) Aziz offering and getting her transportation when she requested to leave, and (3) no mention of her ever saying she did not want to engage in oral sex. Her account also features her texting Aziz the next day and saying (paraphrase) "after thinking about it, I did not want to have oral sex and despite me not saying that and going along you should've intuited that from my body language" after which Aziz expressed shock and regret over this. Her account also spends an inordinate amount of time on Aziz pouring her a glass of red wine without first asking her if she'd prefer white wine.

For the record, I think Aziz Ansari is a totally talentless individual who is annoying and would work at a Burger King if he were Caucasian. I also think he is probably a sleezeball sexually.

Thanks,

I agree that he is pretty talentless. I disagree and say that he would be working in IT somewhere if he were Caucasian.  Though maybe he is not that smart. I have no idea how he is sexually though I would not want to have sex with him. Not that all Indian or Pakistani guys are unfunny or unsexy. I think Kal Penn is funny, Naveen Andrews is sexy, and the guy from the Big Sick is the perfect combination of both.

But anyway, enough of what I think. The one question that for me remains unanswered is who gave oral sex to who? Did he give it to her? Did she give it to him? Did they give it to each other? If he was the receiver, why didn't he offer to reciprocate? If that is the case, if I were a woman and a guy did that to me, I'd be pretty pissed too.

My o
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 29, 2018, 01:26:49 pm
The one question that for me remains unanswered is who gave oral sex to who? Did he give it to her? Did she give it to him? Did they give it to each other? If he was the receiver, why didn't he offer to reciprocate? If that is the case, if I were a woman and a guy did that to me, I'd be pretty pissed too.
He performed oral sex on her and then asked her to reciprocate which she did "but not for long" before she said she didn't want to and he said "cool, its only fun if its fun for both of us."

Then he did a lot of super-pervy, not romantic, horny 18 year old stuff like asking "where do you want me to fuck you" and making a V with his fingers and licking them until she asked to leave at which point he called her a car.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on January 29, 2018, 02:00:32 pm
The one question that for me remains unanswered is who gave oral sex to who? Did he give it to her? Did she give it to him? Did they give it to each other? If he was the receiver, why didn't he offer to reciprocate? If that is the case, if I were a woman and a guy did that to me, I'd be pretty pissed too.
He performed oral sex on her and then asked her to reciprocate which she did "but not for long" before she said she didn't want to and he said "cool, its only fun if its fun for both of us."

Then he did a lot of super-pervy, not romantic, horny 18 year old stuff like asking "where do you want me to fuck you" and making a V with his fingers and licking them until she asked to leave at which point he called her a car.

Did she have an orgasm from the oral sex that he gave her?
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on January 29, 2018, 02:10:40 pm
Aziz Ansari

This one, is going to backfire big time, and kill the movement that is known as me too. It already, has.

I posted this, but I still don't understand what happened with this one. Can someone please explain what happened with Aziz Ansari to this rather dull married guy who was too timid to ever harass anybody?

Aziz Ansari is Guilty.  Of Not Being a Mind Reader (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/15/opinion/aziz-ansari-babe-sexual-harassment.html)

Best line in this NY Times Op-Ed:

"If you are hanging out naked with a man, it's safe to assume he is going to try to have sex with you"
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on January 29, 2018, 02:23:09 pm
Aziz Ansari

This one, is going to backfire big time, and kill the movement that is known as me too. It already, has.

I posted this, but I still don't understand what happened with this one. Can someone please explain what happened with Aziz Ansari to this rather dull married guy who was too timid to ever harass anybody?

Aziz Ansari is Guilty.  Of Not Being a Mind Reader (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/15/opinion/aziz-ansari-babe-sexual-harassment.html)

Best line in this NY Times Op-Ed:

"If you are hanging out naked with a man, it's safe to assume he is going to try to have sex with you"

Am I missing something or did that rather long Times article not mention that they had mutual oral sex?
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 29, 2018, 02:28:33 pm
The one question that for me remains unanswered is who gave oral sex to who? Did he give it to her? Did she give it to him? Did they give it to each other? If he was the receiver, why didn't he offer to reciprocate? If that is the case, if I were a woman and a guy did that to me, I'd be pretty pissed too.
He performed oral sex on her and then asked her to reciprocate which she did "but not for long" before she said she didn't want to and he said "cool, its only fun if its fun for both of us."

Then he did a lot of super-pervy, not romantic, horny 18 year old stuff like asking "where do you want me to fuck you" and making a V with his fingers and licking them until she asked to leave at which point he called her a car.

Did she have an orgasm from the oral sex that he gave her?
You know, she did not make that real clear. I'll ask.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on January 29, 2018, 02:36:26 pm
The one question that for me remains unanswered is who gave oral sex to who? Did he give it to her? Did she give it to him? Did they give it to each other? If he was the receiver, why didn't he offer to reciprocate? If that is the case, if I were a woman and a guy did that to me, I'd be pretty pissed too.
He performed oral sex on her and then asked her to reciprocate which she did "but not for long" before she said she didn't want to and he said "cool, its only fun if its fun for both of us."

Then he did a lot of super-pervy, not romantic, horny 18 year old stuff like asking "where do you want me to fuck you" and making a V with his fingers and licking them until she asked to leave at which point he called her a car.

Did she have an orgasm from the oral sex that he gave her?
You know, she did not make that real clear. I'll ask.

I mean, if she consented to receiving oral, and was into it to the point of getting an orgasm, and he didn't force her to do anything else, what is she complaining about? How old is this woman?
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on January 29, 2018, 02:47:21 pm
I just went back and read the original article.

https://babe.net/2018/01/13/aziz-ansari-28355

He's a douche.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 29, 2018, 02:47:27 pm
I mean, if she consented to receiving oral, and was into it to the point of getting an orgasm, and he didn't force her to do anything else, what is she complaining about?
She is complaining about his extremely boorish behavior including getting a mirror out of the bedroom and positioning it so she could see him pantomine rear-entry sex while asking "where do you want me to fuck you" and kissing her "aggressively."

How old is this woman?
23 or 24.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 29, 2018, 02:48:30 pm
He's a douche.
Agreed. The kerfuffle seems to be many people think his behavior rises to the level of rape/sexual assault and others think its just terrible, boorish, douchey (non-criminal) sex.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on January 29, 2018, 02:59:12 pm
He's a douche.
Agreed. The kerfuffle seems to be many people think his behavior rises to the level of rape/sexual assault and others think its just terrible, boorish, douchey (non-criminal) sex.

For such an ugly guy, he sure is a cocky, confident SOB. Not that such boorish behavior is acceptable from handsome dudes either.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: sweetcell on January 29, 2018, 08:43:02 pm
He's a douche.
Agreed. The kerfuffle seems to be many people think his behavior rises to the level of rape/sexual assault and others think its just terrible, boorish, douchey (non-criminal) sex.

based on my understanding of the kerfuffle, you seem to have missed the point. to be fair, the point here is that women and men view things very differently, in large part due to cultural norms and expectations (aka upbringing).  so men saying "i don't get what these women are complaining about" is almost to be expected, since they're men and not women.

the #metoo movement pointed out how women, even powerful hollywood leading women, can be subjected to sexual harassment and assault; and society has covered for these men.

a step below this, but still on the spectrum of inequality of the sexes, is how women are treated in new sexual relationships - again, due to cultural norms and expectations (aka upbringing).  the message in the ansari case isn't that he committed a crime.  he didn't.  the message is that women don't have the same leeway in skipping out of an awkward sexual situation (for men to simple-mindedly say "well why didn't she leave?" is showing your privilege and lack of empathy).  hell, even what constitutes "bad sex" isn't nearly the same (http://theweek.com/articles/749978/female-price-male-pleasure) for men and women.  here's another good read (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/aziz-ansari-sex-violating-but-not-criminal_us_5a5e445de4b0106b7f65b346?z) on the subject.  please read through those two links for a better explanation.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on January 29, 2018, 10:21:04 pm
I generally like Andrew Sullivan, but how is he in any position to comment on male/female sexual relations?
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 30, 2018, 09:26:42 am
  the message in the ansari case isn't that he committed a crime.  he didn't. 
The message in the initial expose is very much that he committed a crime.

the message is that women don't have the same leeway in skipping out of an awkward sexual situation (for men to simple-mindedly say "well why didn't she leave?" is showing your privilege and lack of empathy). 
Agreed. But this specific woman in her specific accounting of events had absolute leeway to skip out of this awkward sexual situation. She is not without agency.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on February 06, 2018, 03:29:11 pm
Tarantino says Polanski is innocent.  Drugged 13-year old girl was, "down with it." (https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/quentin-tarantino’s-2003-defense-of-roman-polanski-rediscovered/ar-BBIKKgo?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp)
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 06, 2018, 03:52:58 pm
13-year old girl was, "down with it." (https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/quentin-tarantino’s-2003-defense-of-roman-polanski-rediscovered/ar-BBIKKgo?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp)
But was she "hip"?
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: hutch on February 06, 2018, 04:15:42 pm
It became apparent a long time ago that Tarantino is an idiot who got lucky....put it this way: he is no woody allen
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on February 14, 2018, 10:27:06 am
The Flying Tomato (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/02/14/after-winning-gold-medal-shaun-white-dodges-questions-about-2016-sexual-harassment-suit/?utm_term=.25a1bd57f6d4)
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on March 19, 2018, 03:44:30 pm
Mike Isabella

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/celebrity-chef-mike-isabella-is-sued-for-extraordinary-sexual-harassment/2018/03/19/4cc47bf4-27a4-11e8-b79d-f3d931db7f68_story.html
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on March 19, 2018, 04:34:27 pm
Steven Seagall.

Hey Julian, was he on your list? Seems like he should have been.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 19, 2018, 04:38:11 pm
Steven Seagall.

Hey Julian, was he on your list? Seems like he should have been.
No, but I had Steven the Sea Gull the mascot of the local Captain D's knockoff from my hometown when I was a young boy. . .
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Yada on March 20, 2018, 09:34:35 am
Mike Isabella

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/celebrity-chef-mike-isabella-is-sued-for-extraordinary-sexual-harassment/2018/03/19/4cc47bf4-27a4-11e8-b79d-f3d931db7f68_story.html

Surprise, that guy is a fat f'n tool.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Yada on March 20, 2018, 09:37:49 am
Upcoming predictions unless this 15 minutes of news cycle has already moved on from sexual harassment.

Ryan Seacrest
Simon Cowell
Randy Jackson
Jeff Probst

One down.

http://variety.com/2018/tv/news/ryan-seacrest-sexual-abuse-allegations-stylist-details-1202710460/
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: hutch on March 21, 2018, 11:13:26 pm
Fred Savage
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on March 22, 2018, 08:19:22 am
^ winnie has been holding on to that secret for a long time
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 22, 2018, 11:53:50 am
Mork from Ork
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Justin Tonation on April 08, 2018, 01:36:41 pm
Read Molly Ringwald's essay  (https://www.newyorker.com/culture/personal-history/what-about-the-breakfast-club-molly-ringwald-metoo-john-hughes-pretty-in-pink)about her work with John Hughes. Sharp as a tack.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Yada on May 18, 2018, 11:20:29 am
https://consequenceofsound.net/2018/05/boyd-tinsley-misconduct-allegations/
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: ggw on August 20, 2018, 04:00:13 pm
Asia Argento (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/19/us/asia-argento-assault-jimmy-bennett.html)
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on August 20, 2018, 07:12:53 pm
Asia Argento (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/19/us/asia-argento-assault-jimmy-bennett.html)

I wonder if Bourdain would still be alive if he had never met that woman.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: hutch on August 20, 2018, 08:40:35 pm
I try not to use the term “that woman”...I find so many sexist people do

Like think about how many people referred and refer to Hillary as “that woman” and compare it to how many people refer to any male politician as “that man”....no, it’s always “that woman”
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Space Freely on August 20, 2018, 10:15:49 pm
I try not to use the term “that woman”...I find so many sexist people do

Like think about how many people referred and refer to Hillary as “that woman” and compare it to how many people refer to any male politician as “that man”....no, it’s always “that woman”

Thanks for the lecture, Hoss.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: hutch on August 20, 2018, 10:24:07 pm
Not a lecture but take it the way you want....
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: walkonbyeeeeeeeee on August 21, 2018, 12:17:17 am
Asia Argento (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/19/us/asia-argento-assault-jimmy-bennett.html)

I wonder if Bourdain would still be alive if he had never met that woman.


you, post to poke some invisible bear, to the universe.  I . . . love that.
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on October 12, 2018, 01:08:31 pm
been a wild year...I'm not outing anyone in this...but the start of #metoo appeared in a tweet by Ms Teen Steam on 10/15/18

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-me-too-anniversary-call-out-20181012-story.html

this is interesting
https://www.vox.com/a/sexual-harassment-assault-allegations-list
 252 celebrities, politicians, CEOs, and others who have been accused of sexual misconduct since April 2017
Title: Re: The Groper Thread
Post by: Unquotable-hatch ılılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llılılı on October 16, 2018, 01:10:55 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DppP0B7W4AAYJZS.jpg:large)