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Venerable Bede

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Re: Please Vote!
« Reply #285 on: November 04, 2004, 01:22:00 pm »
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  I think this election proved that the Democrats could have won an election and not carry a single state from the old south (not that I agree with this logic, politically).  A tighter focus on the hispanics in the Sun Belt or a better showing in the midwest and the Dems can ignore making any in roads in the south.  All they neded was Ohio in this election and it would have proven correct.
yeah, democrats can off-set losses in the south and even the midwest by focusing on new mexico, arizona and nevada.  but bush pulled in alot of hispanic voters this year (course, this may be skewed if there was a large cuban turnout in florida, since they are still overwhelmingly republican).  course, i think that wisconsin and minnesota are trending really republican these days, and they could help off-set sun belt losses. . .heck, if bush had won wisconsin (provided he wins iowa), he wouldn't have needed ohio.
 
 there is a perfect candidate sitting in the midwest for the democrats: tom vilsack.  governor of iowa, and if he can keep his wife's mouth shut, he could really force republican's to keep the midwest.
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Re: Please Vote!
« Reply #286 on: November 04, 2004, 01:29:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
 
 there is a perfect candidate sitting in the midwest for the democrats: tom vilsack.  governor of iowa, and if he can keep his wife's mouth shut, he could really force republican's to keep the midwest.
I agree completely.
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Re: Please Vote!
« Reply #287 on: November 04, 2004, 01:34:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  yeah, democrats can off-set losses in the south and even the midwest by focusing on new mexico, arizona and nevada.  but bush pulled in alot of hispanic voters this year (course, this may be skewed if there was a large cuban turnout in florida, since they are still overwhelmingly republican).  course, i think that wisconsin and minnesota are trending really republican these days, and they could help off-set sun belt losses. . .heck, if bush had won wisconsin (provided he wins iowa), he wouldn't have needed ohio.
The whole country is leaning Republican these days because they are dictating the agenda.  Karl Rove did an amazing thing in this election: he won a very close election without upsetting the hard right.  If anything, he upset the center right by staying hard line.  They drove the Gods, Guns and Gays agenda hard into the bible belt and midwest and got rural Ohio out to vote.
 
 The Dems failed to get a clear and consistent message out, especially on a domestic agenda and spent nearly the entire election on the defensive, despite a Presidential approval rating at or below 50%.  Amazing.
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« Reply #288 on: November 04, 2004, 01:42:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
 
 there is a perfect candidate sitting in the midwest for the democrats: tom vilsack.  governor of iowa, and if he can keep his wife's mouth shut, he could really force republican's to keep the midwest.
I agree completely. [/b]
Vilsack is a good guy, and definitely a rising star. He went to my alma mater - his son was my roomate there, actually.

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Re: Please Vote!
« Reply #289 on: November 04, 2004, 01:54:00 pm »
well, here's some good news:
 
 Aides: Ashcroft Likely to Leave AG Post
 
 By CURT ANDERSON, Associated Press Writer
 
 WASHINGTON - Attorney General John Ashcroft (news - web sites) is likely to leave his post before the start of President Bush (news - web sites)'s second term, senior aides said Thursday.
 
 Ashcroft, 62, is described as exhausted from leading the Justice Department (news - web sites) in fighting the domestic war on terrorism since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Stress was a factor in Ashcroft's health problems earlier this year that resulted in removal of his gall bladder.
 
 Ashcroft is expected to resign before Bush's Jan. 20 inauguration, said aides who spoke only on condition of anonymity. They said there is a small chance he would stay on, at least for a short time, if Bush asked him.
 
 The attorney general has not officially informed his staff of his future plans, spokesman Mark Corallo said.
 
 At a news conference, Bush said he hasn't made any decisions about his Cabinet.
 
 Ashcroft, a former two-term governor and senator from Missouri, has long been a favorite among Bush's base of religious conservatives. He also is a lightning rod for Democrats and other critics on issues ranging from the anti-terrorism Patriot Act, which expanded rules for eavesdropping, to abortion rights and gun control.
 
 Names that have been floated in recent weeks as a possible replacement include Ashcroft's former deputy, Larry Thompson, who would become the first black attorney general. Others include Marc Racicot, who was Bush's campaign manager, and White House general counsel Alberto Gonzalez, who would give Bush a notable Hispanic appointment.
 
 
 maybe its a bit fanciful, but i've seen guiliani's name pop up for this job too.  i think that bush is saving gonzalez for the supreme court.
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Re: Please Vote!
« Reply #290 on: November 04, 2004, 01:57:00 pm »
Who are you calling common?
 
 
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  It's just fun being able to blame someone else for all the problems in the world whether now or the past. Common guys, try it. It's fun.

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« Reply #291 on: November 04, 2004, 01:58:00 pm »
will they uncover the naked statue?  i'm glad that tool is going although it wont change the fact that we still have the patriot act, a disregard for the geneva convention, the tsa watch list, etc...
 
 maybe the adult film industry is breathing a little easier
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« Reply #292 on: November 04, 2004, 01:59:00 pm »
Pollard has been reading the same Washington Post articles I have. Pollard, will you marry me?
 
 
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  It is pretty clear in the analysis so far that what won this election for Bush (because it won Ohio) was the issue of gay marriage.  Not jobs, or Iraq, or supreme court justices, or the environment or many other important issues.  But rather, making something that is already illegal, even more illegal.
 
 It is really quite amazing.

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« Reply #293 on: November 04, 2004, 02:00:00 pm »
Elizabeth Edwards Diagnosed With Breast Cancer
 
 Elizabeth Edwards, wife of former Democratic vice presidential candidate John Edwards, was diagnosed with breast cancer the day her husband and Sen. John Kerry conceded the presidential race.
 
 Spokesman David Ginsberg said Mrs. Edwards, 55, discovered a lump in her right breast while on a campaign trip last week. Her family doctor told her Friday that it appeared to be cancerous and advised her to see a specialist when she could.
 
 She put off the appointment until Wednesday so as to not miss campaign time. Mrs. Edwards had a needle biopsy performed at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, where Dr. Barbara Smith confirmed the cancer, Ginsberg said.
 
 He said the cancer was diagnosed as invasive ductal cancer. That is the most common type of breast cancer, and can spread from the milk ducts to other parts of the breast or beyond.
 
 More tests were being done to determine how far the cancer has advanced and how to treat it, he said.
 
 Ginsberg said spirits are high at the Edwards household. "Everybody feels good about it, that this is beatable," he said.
 
 Edwards, who leaves his North Carolina Senate seat in January, said in a statement, "Elizabeth is as strong a person as I've ever known. Together, our family will beat this."
 

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« Reply #294 on: November 04, 2004, 02:11:00 pm »
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  Who are you calling common?
 
   
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  It's just fun being able to blame someone else for all the problems in the world whether now or the past. Common guys, try it. It's fun.
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lol.  i think thats American for "come on"

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« Reply #295 on: November 04, 2004, 02:14:00 pm »
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  lol.  i think thats American for "come on"
That's "Gee-speak."  :p

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« Reply #296 on: November 04, 2004, 02:16:00 pm »
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  Pollard has been reading the same Washington Post articles I have. Pollard, will you marry me?
 
 
Sorry, no to the proposal.  Bigamy is illegal.  You will have to leave Celeste first.
 
 And I did read that post article, but others are writing about it as well.
 
 Accoording to somewhere else, Gary Bauer, who use to focus on abortion, started a group that spent 1 million on the gay marriage issue.  Anybody who has ever met Gary Bauer would have to share my suspicion that he is actually gay.

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« Reply #297 on: November 04, 2004, 02:24:00 pm »
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  Elizabeth Edwards Diagnosed With Breast Cancer
 
 
thats what you call a bad day

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« Reply #298 on: November 04, 2004, 02:31:00 pm »
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  There is also no threat from Russia.  
I miss the cold war.  I miss Nixon.  I miss Brezhnev.

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« Reply #299 on: November 04, 2004, 02:32:00 pm »
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 thats what you call a bad day
Yeah, the Edwards family has been through some rotten times.