Even More Crappy Lists From Music Magazines

[mankie]

Originally posted by Celeste:
   

Originally posted by mankie:
 

...I listened to the penis brothers..not exactly the three tenors now. Wilco...fucking awful voice.
 
 Give me a weak voice singing a great song over a great voice singing a shit song any day. [/b]

what the hell? Joe Pernice sounds a bit like Morissey...and Jeff Tweedy at least carries a melody...you've just listed two examples of groups in which the singer's voice is melodic and pleasant AND the songs are solid... [/b]

And Moz has a "lovely singing voice" does he? My point was the bands your simply delightful hubby worships don't have the voices of angels either.
 
 Okay, so even if Jeff Tweady had a good voice he would come under the good voice singing utter shite umbrella. Either way, Wilco should be shot for subjecting us to that crap.

[ggw]

Originally posted by Celeste:
 what the hell? Joe Pernice sounds a bit like Morissey.

More like Chris Isaak

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Raul Malo sounds like Chris Isaak, but Joe Pernice doesn't. I don't think Joe Pernice holds a candle to Chris Isaak in the singing department, nor does Isaak hold a candle to Pernice in the songwriting department.
 
   

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
   

Originally posted by Celeste:
 what the hell? Joe Pernice sounds a bit like Morissey.

More like Chris Isaak [/b]

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

What exactly is so awful about Wilco? I can fathom people thinking they're average...but there's just nothing about them that is awful.
 
 
 

Originally posted by mankie:
   

Originally posted by Celeste:
   

Originally posted by mankie:
 

...I listened to the penis brothers..not exactly the three tenors now. Wilco...fucking awful voice.
 
 Give me a weak voice singing a great song over a great voice singing a shit song any day. [/b]

what the hell? Joe Pernice sounds a bit like Morissey...and Jeff Tweedy at least carries a melody...you've just listed two examples of groups in which the singer's voice is melodic and pleasant AND the songs are solid... [/b]

And Moz has a "lovely singing voice" does he? My point was the bands your simply delightful hubby worships don't have the voices of angels either.
 
 Okay, so even if Jeff Tweady had a good voice he would come under the good voice singing utter shite umbrella. Either way, Wilco should be shot for subjecting us to that crap. [/b]

[PR_GMR]

posted by Rhett Miller
 
 ok, y'all school me...give me some inspirational lyrics my Mr. Curtis and/or Mr Reed. Everything I've heard by Reed is depressing shit about drugs, trannies, and hookers. Not exactly stuff I want to sit around an pollute my mind with. But maybe I'm missing some more interesting stuff? Mr. Curtis...you can't hear what the fuck he is singing anyway.

Well, you haven't been listening well, Rhett. Here are some good, inspirational lyrics by Mr Reed:
 
 
 Perfect Day
 
 Just a perfect day
 drink Sangria in the park
 And then later
 when it gets dark, we go home
 
 Just a perfect day
 feed animals in the zoo
 Then later
 a movie, too, and then home
 
 Oh, it's such a perfect day
 I'm glad I spend it with you
 Oh, such a perfect day
 You just keep me hanging on
 You just keep me hanging on
 
 Just a perfect day
 problems all left alone
 Weekenders on our own
 it's such fun
 
 Just a perfect day
 you made me forget myself
 I thought I was
 someone else, someone good
 
 Oh, it's such a perfect day
 I'm glad I spent it with you
 Oh, such a perfect day
 You just keep me hanging on
 You just keep me hanging on
 
 You're going to reap just what you sow X4
 
   :cool:

[SPARX]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  ok, y'all school me...give me some inspirational lyrics my Mr. Curtis and/or Mr Reed. Everything I've heard by Reed is depressing shit about drugs, trannies, and hookers. Not exactly stuff I want to sit around an pollute my mind with. But maybe I'm missing some more interesting stuff? Mr. Curtis...you can't hear what the fuck he is singing anyway.

Once again you're right.Alot of their material dealt with depression/isolation/loneliness/despair.Definitely not the most enjoyable subjects,however,they are feelings that are felt by millions of people every day.Be glad you are not among them.Those subjects were all to real to the composer, Ian obviously.As for inspirational,try reading  Busload of Faith  lyrics on the new york record you have.Maybe not truly inspirational but very astute.                                         http://www.whom.co.uk/dora/reedyork.htm

[Celeste]

Originally posted by mankie:
  Okay, so even if Jeff Tweady had a good voice he would come under the good voice singing utter shite umbrella

what in god's name are you talking about?

[Bags]

I'm skipping over a bunch of posts, so I hope I'm not repeating a point already made, but I think the argument over Ian Curtis' voice is just not necessary.  Point is, Rhett doesn't like his voice, and that's plenty of reason to not like a band.  I feel the same way about a number of highly praised bands.  And that's that. Rhett didn't do it (I don't think), but my mistake in the past has been declaring that the band is shit, rather than  I  don't like 'em at all.  I try to adjust, especially when I realize it really is about the vocals in particular.
 
 But, I do think that they can be an influential band, all the same.  How influential was Joy Division?  I dunno...I'll leave that up to folks who follow that genre more closely.

[mankie]

Originally posted by Celeste:
   

Originally posted by mankie:
  Okay, so even if Jeff Tweady had a good voice he would come under the good voice singing utter shite umbrella

what in god's name are you talking about? [/b]

This..
 
 

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
 [QB]
 I don't see how anybody who isn't fucked up on drugs could sit and listen to the monotone voices of Lou Reed and Ian Curtis and hear "passion" in their voices. Give me a fucking break.
 
 
 

 ...I listened to the penis brothers..not exactly the three tenors now. Wilco...fucking awful voice.
 
 Give me a weak voice singing a great song over a great voice singing a shit song any day.
 
 
 By the way...What IS Gods name?

[SPARX]

http://www.davemcnally.com/lyrics/JoyDivision/                                                                                                   Isolation
 Be clear every day, every evening
 It calls here aloud from above
 Carefully watched for a reason
 Mistaking devotion and love
 Surrendered to self-preservation
 >From others who care for themselves
 But life as it touches perfection
 Appears just like anything else
 
 Isolation (3)
 Mother, I tried, please believe me
 I'm doing the best that I can
 I'm ashamed of the things
 I've been put through
 I'm ashamed of the person I am
 
 Isolation (3)
 But if you could just see the beauty
 These things I could never describe
 Pleasures and wayward distraction
 Is this my wonderful prize?
 Isolation (5)

[Liberte]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  ok, y'all school me...give me some inspirational lyrics my Mr. Curtis and/or Mr Reed. Everything I've heard by Reed is depressing shit about drugs, trannies, and hookers. Not exactly stuff I want to sit around an pollute my mind with. But maybe I'm missing some more interesting stuff? Mr. Curtis...you can't hear what the fuck he is singing anyway.
 

No question from my point of view that better musicianship + better vocal chops = better listening,  all other things being equal. But all other things frequently aren't equal, which complicates the whole business.
 
 Lou Reed, whose voice considered apart from everything else about his artistry sucks beyond dispute, isn't your best example, though.  First thing is, he's pretty cagy about writing songs that fit his meager ability to croak them out.  Second, while the passion in his music may seem muted by his vocal limitations, he can muster ferocity, cold irony, and heartbreak like few others.  Third, his lyrical range goes way beyond "drugs, trannies, and hookers."  Just off the top of my head, try "Rock and Roll," the greatest self-referential ode to the genre of all time (Jonathan Richman's "Roadrunner" being a fabulous but distant second).  Or "Dirty Boulevard," which transforms those gritty, depressing urban decay themes through the imagination of a child.
 
 For anyone who cares, a fairly complete catalog of his lyrics can be found here:Lou Reed Lyrics

[Liberte]

Oh yeah, and I forgot the hilarious (and non-PC in the extreme) "I Wanna Be Black."

Originally posted by Liberte:
  Oh yeah, and I forgot the hilarious (and non-PC in the extreme) "I Wanna Be Black."

But you gotta acquiesce, those Jacko charges torpedoed your Polanski argument.
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[Liberte]

Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
   

Originally posted by Liberte:
  Oh yeah, and I forgot the hilarious (and non-PC in the extreme) "I Wanna Be Black."

But you gotta acquiesce, those Jacko charges torpedoed your Polanski argument.
      [/b]

Nah, not really.  What certain obtuse parties seemed incapable of recognizing was, I do not defend Polanski's behavior.  I simply object to the notion that those parties' response to that behavior is the only possible right-thinking response.

[ggw]

Originally posted by Liberte:
   

Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
   

Originally posted by Liberte:
  Oh yeah, and I forgot the hilarious (and non-PC in the extreme) "I Wanna Be Black."

But you gotta acquiesce, those Jacko charges torpedoed your Polanski argument.
      [/b]

Nah, not really.  What certain obtuse parties seemed incapable of recognizing was, I do not defend Polanski's behavior.  I simply object to the notion that those parties' response to that behavior is the only possible right-thinking response. [/b]

Obtuse?!?  I'm actually on the slim side.