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Re: The 2020 thread....
« Reply #450 on: May 02, 2019, 09:31:21 am »
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I don’t like to talk about tickets as it’s pointless when the primaries have yet to take place but the best one by far would be Biden-Harris...it’s not even close

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« Reply #451 on: May 03, 2019, 09:28:21 am »
Folks if you think anyone can defeat Trump with this economy you are living in fantasy land. Imagine five more quarters of 3% growth and millions more jobs created....

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« Reply #452 on: May 03, 2019, 09:29:45 am »
Folks if you think anyone can defeat Trump with this economy you are living in fantasy land. Imagine five more quarters of 3% growth and millions more jobs created....

Might as well just vote for him, right?

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« Reply #453 on: May 03, 2019, 09:34:23 am »
I am not anyone but even for me it will be a tough slog.

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« Reply #454 on: May 03, 2019, 09:40:31 am »
Folks if you think anyone can defeat Trump with this economy you are living in fantasy land. Imagine five more quarters of 3% growth and millions more jobs created....
this is going to be an uphill battle...but let's not give up already

the economy is NOT doing well for the Trump Voter....if we could just make them realize that, we'd have a better chance.  We have to really invest in the independents that did the 'let's give him a chance' vote.  I think at least half of those voters are having buyers remorse.
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« Reply #455 on: May 03, 2019, 09:58:52 am »
Folks if you think anyone can defeat Trump with this economy you are living in fantasy land. Imagine five more quarters of 3% growth and millions more jobs created....
this is going to be an uphill battle...but let's not give up already

the economy is NOT doing well for the Trump Voter....if we could just make them realize that, we'd have a better chance.  We have to really invest in the independents that did the 'let's give him a chance' vote.  I think at least half of those voters are having buyers remorse.

So if the economy is not doing well for the Trump Voter, who is it doing well for? And who is the "Trump Voter?"

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« Reply #456 on: May 03, 2019, 10:08:52 am »
So if the economy is not doing well for the Trump Voter, who is it doing well for? And who is the "Trump Voter?"
I'll assume your response was rhetorical
but I was wrong on the low income worker...

but honestly this amounts to less than $1000 per year for most of these workers (who-hoo, what am I going to spend that extra $40 in my pay check on!)

I gotta imagine that real take home is less with heathcare costs rising so dramatically in the last decade

hardly life changing, but going in a direction that would hurt Dem's chances
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Re: The 2020 thread....
« Reply #457 on: May 03, 2019, 10:25:23 am »
I wonder who could talk to working class folks and speak to their material needs...



Folks if you think anyone can defeat Trump with this economy you are living in fantasy land. Imagine five more quarters of 3% growth and millions more jobs created....
this is going to be an uphill battle...but let's not give up already

the economy is NOT doing well for the Trump Voter....if we could just make them realize that, we'd have a better chance.  We have to really invest in the independents that did the 'let's give him a chance' vote.  I think at least half of those voters are having buyers remorse.

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« Reply #458 on: May 03, 2019, 10:27:30 am »
That just shows how out of touch you are in your DC bubble if you discount an extra grand a year for low income workers ..it can be the difference between make or break

Everybody is benefiting from this economy and you better believe voters will credit the President

And if you think voters will look at a growing economy and increasing take home pay and say “Yeah now is the time to try socialism...look at how well it worked in Venezuela” you are nuts

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« Reply #459 on: May 03, 2019, 10:49:00 am »
Ah yes, that famous DC insider...Bernie Sanders

That just shows how out of touch you are in your DC bubble if you discount an extra grand a year for low income workers ..it can be the difference between make or break

Everybody is benefiting from this economy and you better believe voters will credit the President

And if you think voters will look at a growing economy and increasing take home pay and say “Yeah now is the time to try socialism...look at how well it worked in Venezuela” you are nuts

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« Reply #460 on: May 03, 2019, 10:59:38 am »
I was referring to Sidehatch

Bernie is a non-starter for too many reasons to list

He has no chance to do anything other than play spoiler at a brokered convention

It is important to recognize that in a growing economy with increasing take home pay socialism loses its attractiveness to all but the hardest supporters

But I am glad if people support the candidate that appeals to them as long as they eventually come around to reality

Trump will be almost unbeatable and democrats will need to rally around the strongest candidate to oppose him. This economic recovery began under President Obama’s administration and when the recovery is just picking up steam voters will want someone to ensure it continues not someone to blow it up and try socialism

That someone would be me



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« Reply #461 on: May 03, 2019, 12:29:45 pm »
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honestly this amounts to less than $1000 per year for most of these workers (who-hoo, what am I going to spend that extra $40 in my pay check on!)

I gotta imagine that real take home is less with heathcare costs rising so dramatically in the last decade

hardly life changing, but going in a direction that would hurt Dem's chances
That just shows how out of touch you are in your DC bubble if you discount an extra grand a year for low income workers ..it can be the difference between make or break

Everybody is benefiting from this economy and you better believe voters will credit the President
So you cherry picked there...as I addressed that and stated that the actual take home pay may actually be LESS due to healthcare costs, but sometimes that hard to see as it's not on your paycheck

I'm not discounting that $1000 more means something to someone on the bottom...when you put it like that.  But if you told them they were getting a $4 a day wage increase, but their heathcare costs are going up $5 a day...do you think they'd be excited?

These people on the bottom rarely get employer paid heathcare, so they roll the dice with crappy plans or no plan at all...typically turns out bad
but that is hard to fit this concept into 140 character tweet

I think the dems have to come up with a easy way to understand how they will impact people's heath care costs.  it's becoming the largest line item on most poor families budget
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Re: The 2020 thread....
« Reply #462 on: May 03, 2019, 12:35:12 pm »
People will blame Obama for rising health care costs!!! Trump is running against the health care saying he can do something better


I am sure many lower income people have higher income even after rising health care costs...

Without me democrats are toast even with me we only have 25% chance of winning White House

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« Reply #463 on: May 03, 2019, 12:53:57 pm »
Right, and that's not even accounting for other social safety net benefits that are being cut or are on the chopping block by Republicans.  And honestly, only two candidates are actually talking about that stuff in tangible ways that people can relate to...Warren and Sanders (though even Warren gets muddled into too much wonk-ery sometimes).

Biden is complicit in practically every bad policy decision for the last 30 years, and all of those have made life worse for most folks in the middle class. There's no way that's not going to bite him in the ass in the primaries and beyond (which I can't see him making, but weirder things have happened).  It's the same shit with Hillary...at some point you'd think these folks would learn a lesson but maybe not!

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honestly this amounts to less than $1000 per year for most of these workers (who-hoo, what am I going to spend that extra $40 in my pay check on!)

I gotta imagine that real take home is less with heathcare costs rising so dramatically in the last decade

hardly life changing, but going in a direction that would hurt Dem's chances
That just shows how out of touch you are in your DC bubble if you discount an extra grand a year for low income workers ..it can be the difference between make or break

Everybody is benefiting from this economy and you better believe voters will credit the President
So you cherry picked there...as I addressed that and stated that the actual take home pay may actually be LESS due to healthcare costs, but sometimes that hard to see as it's not on your paycheck

I'm not discounting that $1000 more means something to someone on the bottom...when you put it like that.  But if you told them they were getting a $4 a day wage increase, but their heathcare costs are going up $5 a day...do you think they'd be excited?

These people on the bottom rarely get employer paid heathcare, so they roll the dice with crappy plans or no plan at all...typically turns out bad
but that is hard to fit this concept into 140 character tweet

I think the dems have to come up with a easy way to understand how they will impact people's heath care costs.  it's becoming the largest line item on most poor families budget

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Re: The 2020 thread....
« Reply #464 on: May 03, 2019, 12:56:58 pm »
^This kind of idiocy gave us Trump and yet there is no learning going on....


I was VP for 8 years in an exemplary presidency but apparently am complicit in every bad thing that has happened the past 30 years.

Give me a break