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sweetcell

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Re: once again the jokes write themselves...
« Reply #1170 on: October 29, 2008, 02:40:00 pm »
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Originally posted by manimtired:
  i think its spot on.  whats my analogy?
dude, it breaks down on so many levels.  let's start with this: NO ONE chooses the cowboys head coach except cowboys management.  the person who just moved to dallas doesn't choose him any more than a life-long resident.
 
 the head coach's policy decisions have NO bearing on the populations freedom and well-being unless they choose to let it.  head coach can't change tax policy, foreign policy, trade policy, etc etc etc.
 
 shall i go on?
 
 to recap: president of the usa not equal to football coach.  "LOL."
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Re: once again the jokes write themselves...
« Reply #1171 on: October 29, 2008, 02:42:00 pm »
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Originally posted by manimtired:
  canadians wanting to choose the US president is like me wanting to pick the coach of the cowboys...even if i lived in dallas.
well, careful slim, cause I have lived here for 14 years, I married an american woman, and on 2012, i'll be voting for Obama's re-election.  :)  
 
  (see next post for clarification)_

Venerable Bede

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Re: once again the jokes write themselves...
« Reply #1172 on: October 29, 2008, 02:47:00 pm »
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Originally posted by lagas:
  Look, its not only canadians, it's the whole world who wants the US to choose Obama as president. After 8 years of complete disaster in every major issue (except, I must say, AIDS fight in the world), everybody will welcome change in the White House.
there are at least two issues that should be addressed here- 1) i agree that there are a lot of people around the world who want obama to become president because he is viewed as more enlightened, and believe that his foreign policy will be different. . .i don't dispute that contention...
 
 however, 2) i believe that trade will become a sticking point, and that an obama administration, coupled with a congress hell-bent on using populism to suck the life out of free-market capitalism, by throwing up trade barriers and insisting on unreasonable terms for trade treaties, will cause increased havoc.  the world is heavily integrated (as friedman calls it, the world is flat), and as much as obama and congress would like to, we can't simply raise tariffs and block foreign trade because that's not how the world works anymore.  free trade and agreements bringing down trade barriers are essential to the continued economic growth of not just the u.s., but of the rest of the world.  and having obama threaten to pull out of NAFTA or attempt to re-negotiate NAFTA would be a terrible decision; whatever we think we can get, Canada and Mexico are more than happy to take something else away.  As I posted yesterday, there is concern in India about trade, there is also concern in europe about trade. . .
 
 of course, i dispute the contention that we should make our decisions based on what the world thinks- foreign intervention in american politics was a great concern of the founding fathers, and it is clear that it is still a concern today.
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Re: once again the jokes write themselves...
« Reply #1173 on: October 29, 2008, 02:48:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
 
 
 sonick. . .while i did go to a private college, it certainly wasn't no fancy pants college. . .it was in texas, seersucker is about the fanciest pants you'll find.  i was actually really conservative before going there, but being around religious conservatives, i realized that a lot of them couldn't think themselves out a paper bag. . .so, i moved towards the libertarians, who i also don't fully agree with, but the dems hold nothing of interest for me.  so, here i am. . .stuck.
you are in the situation my wife is in, cept she came from the other side, she was very liberal (maybe thats why she fell for a socialist canadian boy) but as time has gone on (and she got a job with a finance company and got her MBA) she's been scolding the big government and economic policies (read: tax and spend) of the Democrats.  Her moral values are still quite liberal but she's finding herself more and more torn.
 
   She's not voting for Obama but is even less inclined to vote McCain and her preaching endlessly the need for any sort of 3rd party is wearing off on me.
 
   also, while in the heat of the discussion it may come off that i am some sort of "fan" of Obama. its not true. I would choose him over McCain easily. but think hes a somewhat poor substitute for Clinton and generally his best quality is that i think he may very well change washington and our country. whether he makes it better or worse is abour 50-50 in my mind. But i'll just be excited to see something change.

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Re: once again the jokes write themselves...
« Reply #1174 on: October 29, 2008, 02:49:00 pm »
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
     
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Originally posted by manimtired:
  i think its spot on.  whats my analogy?
dude, it breaks down on so many levels.  let's start with this: NO ONE chooses the cowboys head coach except cowboys management.  the person who just moved to dallas doesn't choose him any more than a life-long resident.
 
 the head coach's policy decisions have NO bearing on the populations freedom and well-being unless they choose to let it.  head coach can't change tax policy, foreign policy, trade policy, etc etc etc.
 
 shall i go on?
 
 to recap: president of the usa not equal to football coach.  "LOL." [/b]
lol. i think you know what i was getting at..aka the US isnt canada's "home team" per say so why should i believe canadians would choose whats in the best interest of the US...

sonickteam2

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Re: once again the jokes write themselves...
« Reply #1175 on: October 29, 2008, 02:51:00 pm »
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Originally posted by manimtired:
  canadians wanting to choose the US president is like me wanting to pick the coach of the cowboys...even if i lived in dallas.
allow me to add something else. me, sweetcell and many other people who came here from somewhere else and are showing passion for our new home should make you happy. I know a lot of americans who simply dont give a shit, and thats the real sad part.

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Re: once again the jokes write themselves...
« Reply #1176 on: October 29, 2008, 02:53:00 pm »
if you dont want to argue over what branch of government the vp is in doesnt mean you can treat your view as fact
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sonickteam2

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« Reply #1177 on: October 29, 2008, 02:57:00 pm »
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Originally posted by manimtired:
  lol. i think you know what i was getting at..aka the US isnt canada's "home team" per say so why should i believe canadians would choose whats in the best interest of the US...
you think me and sweetie are trying to sabotage your government?

Venerable Bede

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Re: once again the jokes write themselves...
« Reply #1178 on: October 29, 2008, 02:59:00 pm »
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
  if you dont want to argue over what branch of government the vp is in doesnt mean you can treat your view as fact
except that it is.    :p
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Re: once again the jokes write themselves...
« Reply #1179 on: October 29, 2008, 03:02:00 pm »
except its not
 
 times infinity!
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Re: once again the jokes write themselves...
« Reply #1180 on: October 29, 2008, 03:04:00 pm »
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Re: once again the jokes write themselves...
« Reply #1181 on: October 29, 2008, 03:06:00 pm »
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Originally posted by very sonick:
   
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Originally posted by manimtired:
  lol. i think you know what i was getting at..aka the US isnt canada's "home team" per say so why should i believe canadians would choose whats in the best interest of the US...
you think me and sweetie are trying to sabotage your government? [/b]
the fact you both support our gov going socialist... then yes.

Venerable Bede

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Re: once again the jokes write themselves...
« Reply #1182 on: October 29, 2008, 03:07:00 pm »
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
  except its not
 
 times infinity!
argh. . .the duties and role of the vp are described in article 1 of the constitution, which is about the legislature- the vp is to be the president of the senate. . .the vp's sole role in regards to the executive is when the president dies, where, as president of the senate, the vp is next in the line of succession; there is no other role, duty or responsbility delegated to the vp in article 2. . .tell me how i'm wrong.
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sonickteam2

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Re: once again the jokes write themselves...
« Reply #1183 on: October 29, 2008, 03:23:00 pm »
isnt your point that Biden is wrong about what the VP does and Palin has no idea.
 
  does this sum up the argument?

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Re: once again the jokes write themselves...
« Reply #1184 on: October 29, 2008, 03:25:00 pm »
the vice president is elected in an executive fashion, and given an executive title. his minor legislative role is certainly smaller than the executive powers given to the senate in article ii
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