once again the jokes write themselves...

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
 
 so, you think that obama promising to renegotiate NAFTA was a lie?  wow. . .color me shocked. . .just another broken promise.  change you can believe in!

i never heard him promise to renegotiate NAFTA and furthermore, i said he wouldnt pull out of it.  you're twisting again.

[sweetcell]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
 the vp has ZERO executive powers, his sole duty is to replace the president either when the president dies or is declared incapacitated; as president of the senate (a legislative title), he is the presiding officer and shall cast any tie-breaking vote. . .

aside: cheney seems to have a different interpretation of what the VP does.  cheney having his own special interpretation of the constitution - shocking!
 
 aside over, back to chatter about and around the '08 election.

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by very sonick:
   

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
 
 so, you think that obama promising to renegotiate NAFTA was a lie?  wow. . .color me shocked. . .just another broken promise.  change you can believe in!

i never heard him promise to renegotiate NAFTA and furthermore, i said he wouldnt pull out of it.  you're twisting again. [/b]

from the  globe and mail:
 
 Mr. Obama agreed with Ms. Clinton's stand. �??I will make sure that we renegotiate in the same way that Senator Clinton talked about,�?� he said. �??I think, actually, Senator Clinton's answer on this one is right. I think we should use the hammer of a potential opt-out as leverage.
 
 now, what did Clinton say?
 
 �??I'm confident that as president, when I say we will opt out unless we renegotiate, that we will be able to renegotiate,�?� Ms. Clinton said.
 
 according to the hill, obama reiterated his plan to renegotiate NAFTA (along with passing union card check legislation, which is terrible in its own right).
 
 as stephen harper  noted: "Canada is the United States' No. 1 supplier of energy. We are a secure and stable supplier," he said, standing at a lecturn next to Bush and Calderon.
 
 Canada exported some 2.4 million barrels of oil a day in 2007 to the United States, worth about $55 billion. Along with natural gas and electricity exports, Canada is the largest foreign source of energy for the American market.
 
 "That is of critical importance to the future of the United States," said Harper.
 
 "And if we had to look at this kind of a (renegotiation) option, I think quite frankly, you know, we would be in an even stronger position now than we were 20 years ago. And we'll be in a stronger position in the future."
 
 more from  harper: "If any American government ever chose to make the mistake of opening [NAFTA], we would have something we would want to talk about as well."

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by sweetcell:
   

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
 the vp has ZERO executive powers, his sole duty is to replace the president either when the president dies or is declared incapacitated; as president of the senate (a legislative title), he is the presiding officer and shall cast any tie-breaking vote. . .

aside: cheney seems to have a different interpretation of what the VP does.  cheney having his own special interpretation of the constitution - shocking!
 
 aside over, back to chatter about and around the '08 election. [/b]

correct. . .and cheney's interpretation of the role of the vp is the issue, since he basically used legal protections afforded to legislative offices (which historically has included the office of the vp) to cover work associated with executive decision-making (a violation of the separation of powers).  i think where shoeshine and i ended up is that we both agreed the vp can't be both, they can only be one or the other- i say the vp is legislative, he says the vp is executive; but we both agreed that biden was wrong in his explanation.

[godsshoeshine]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
 correct. . .and cheney's interpretation of the role of the vp is the issue, since he basically used legal protections afforded to legislative offices (which historically has included the office of the vp) to cover work associated with executive decision-making (a violation of the separation of powers).  i think where shoeshine and i ended up is that we both agreed the vp can't be both, they can only be one or the other- i say the vp is legislative, he says the vp is executive; but we both agreed that biden was wrong in his explanation.

yes, this is true

[manimtired]

i guess al queda had a change of heart.
 
 http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE49T76620081030?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

[godsshoeshine]

are they using reverse psychology again

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

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Originally posted by manimtired:
  i guess al queda had a change of heart.
 
   http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE49T76620081030?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true  

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Obviously, some of them are Dems, some are Repubs.
 
 

Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
  are they using reverse psychology again

[Bags]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
   biden confidently declares that he knows what the role of the vp is and that it's part of the executive branch, except that it's not.  

Cheney disagrees with you.  He has often cited his executive privilege to deny congressional information requests.

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by Bags:
   

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
   biden confidently declares that he knows what the role of the vp is and that it's part of the executive branch, except that it's not.  

Cheney disagrees with you.  He has often cited his executive privilege to deny congressional information requests. [/b]

see above. . .we've already gone over this.

[Herr Professor Doktor Doom]

Hey Bede!  Apparently Nick Kristof reads this forum and wrote a column for you:
 
 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/30/opinion/30kristof.html

[sweetcell]

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[kosmo vinyl]

the AP is reporting
 
 "Joe The Plumber Hires Eddie Money's Publicity Team, Eyes Book"
 
 guess they only handout development deals to b-list and above instacelebrites... books deals for the rest    :roll:

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Eddie Money has put out two albums of original material in the last 20 years. Hope Joe the Plumber is equally prolific in his book writing and country music career.