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Mobius

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« Reply #1575 on: November 10, 2008, 04:06:00 pm »
The paper sounds interesting and worth reading.  I'm very wary of revisionist history.  Hindsight is 20/20, you're free to make conclusions that would not have necessarily played out as you predicted, and various factors, social and other, may not be fully appreciated.  Some people argue that the Beatles were the worst band ever, you know.

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« Reply #1576 on: November 10, 2008, 05:42:00 pm »
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  The paper sounds interesting and worth reading.  I'm very wary of revisionist history.  Hindsight is 20/20, you're free to make conclusions that would not have necessarily played out as you predicted, and various factors, social and other, may not be fully appreciated.  Some people argue that the Beatles were the worst band ever, you know.
yeah, i'm leery of revisionist history too. . .but that's mainly because original revisionist history was written by the left, such as howard zinn or eric foner. . .liberal revisionists take on the gilded age and its greed and corruption, conservative revisionists take on wilson, fdr and the warren court and the excesses of government interference.  you say tomato, i say tomahto. . .
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« Reply #1577 on: November 10, 2008, 08:56:00 pm »
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the truth is that the New Deal wasn??t as successful in the short run as it was in the long run. And the reason for F.D.R.??s limited short-run success, which almost undid his whole program, was the fact that his economic policies were too cautious.
 
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 But the new administration should try not to emulate a less successful aspect of the New Deal: its inadequate response to the Great Depression itself.
 
 Now, there??s a whole intellectual industry, mainly operating out of right-wing think tanks, devoted to propagating the idea that F.D.R. actually made the Depression worse. So it??s important to know that most of what you hear along those lines is based on deliberate misrepresentation of the facts. The New Deal brought real relief to most Americans.
 
 That said, F.D.R. did not, in fact, manage to engineer a full economic recovery during his first two terms. This failure is often cited as evidence against Keynesian economics, which says that increased public spending can get a stalled economy moving. But the definitive study of fiscal policy in the ??30s, by the M.I.T. economist E. Cary Brown, reached a very different conclusion: fiscal stimulus was unsuccessful ??not because it does not work, but because it was not tried.?
 
Read the rest for yourselves, or continue your silly argument, I don't care.
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« Reply #1578 on: November 11, 2008, 02:28:00 am »
It's silly to claim that World War II got us out of the Depression as a way of arguing that Government spending a la the New Deal is ineffective.  World War II is nothing less than the most massive public works program in history.  The logical conclusion to draw is that had FDR been facing a peacetime scenario, he should have amped up Government spending even more.
 
 Nothing short of a monstrous infrastructure program is what is needed now.  Unparallelled, staggering government investment focused on the sectors of the economy which will breed the largest multiplier effects.  
 
 My vote is for huge investment in a high speed national rail network to rival the Interstate system in its scope, as well as hundreds of billions of dollars devoted to nuclear energy and green technology development.  I would also devote renewed effort to boosting public education.
 
 Finally I'd ship anyone who still thinks Ayn Rand offers serious insight into how our world works off to Gitmo.   ;)
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« Reply #1579 on: November 11, 2008, 03:48:00 am »
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Originally posted by Doctor Hussein Doom:
  It's silly to claim that World War II got us out of the Depression as a way of arguing that Government spending a la the New Deal is ineffective.  World War II is nothing less than the most massive public works program in history.  The logical conclusion to draw is that had FDR been facing a peacetime scenario, he should have amped up Government spending even more.
 
 Nothing short of a monstrous infrastructure program is what is needed now.  Unparallelled, staggering government investment focused on the sectors of the economy which will breed the largest multiplier effects.  
 
 My vote is for huge investment in a high speed national rail network to rival the Interstate system in its scope, as well as hundreds of billions of dollars devoted to nuclear energy and green technology development.  I would also devote renewed effort to boosting public education.
 
 Finally I'd ship anyone who still thinks Ayn Rand offers serious insight into how our world works off to Gitmo.    ;)  
who's ayn rand?  yeah, i know who she is, but, honestly, i've never read her.
 
 i can only assume that the rest of this post is a joke it's so preposterous.  
 
 it matters what government is doing restricting the free movement of capital and allowing business to operate efficiently.  by propping up wages, setting prices and setting output, the government arbitrarily intervened in the market in the face of well settled economic theory.  bernanke in his books blamed the Fed for restricting capital, which caused panic in the markets, but through FDR's policies of intervening and causing havoc most definitely hindered business from recovering after the panics.  
 
 for some reason, i would imagine the Keynes himself would question the wisdom of increasing government spending and adding onto our current deficits.
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Re: once again the jokes write themselves...
« Reply #1580 on: November 11, 2008, 09:43:00 am »
are you two going to say the same thing over and over again for the next few weeks?

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« Reply #1581 on: November 11, 2008, 01:47:00 pm »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTDH4
 
 ok, just watch the whole thing cause its funny, k?

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« Reply #1582 on: November 11, 2008, 02:14:00 pm »
sonick - that's f*ckin hilarious.  the first related video link is pretty funny too - mccain gets barack'rolled!
 
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 "Barack Star"
 
 from   Obama Action Figures, in the Village Voice
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« Reply #1583 on: November 11, 2008, 03:36:00 pm »
If you cut gov't spending during recessions, you deepen the recession.   Deficits are a concern, but should be the focus during times of growth.  During recessions there are more important concerns.  This is Economics 101.
 
 One way to reduce the rate of growth in the deficit is to get out of the war in Iraq, which I expect the Obama Administration will be working on diligently.    Wars do not have an optimal multiplier effect anyway.
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« Reply #1584 on: November 11, 2008, 03:44:00 pm »
fixed the pic - apparently the Village Voice doesn't like you linking to their images  
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 "Barack Star"
 
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Re: once again the jokes write themselves...
« Reply #1585 on: November 25, 2008, 12:10:00 pm »
for manimtired: Pretty in Mink: Conservative Leading Ladies.
 
 mmmmmmmmmmmm, coulter...
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« Reply #1587 on: June 10, 2011, 03:57:43 pm »
so apparently the 2008 election was a kind of a big deal around here
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« Reply #1588 on: June 10, 2011, 05:16:19 pm »
so apparently the 2008 election was a kind of a big deal around here

I heard it was a sellout.

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« Reply #1589 on: June 10, 2011, 05:17:41 pm »
so apparently the 2008 election was a kind of a big deal around here

I heard it was a sellout.

Don't you mean buyout?