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Re: HOLY CRAP - NEW RADIOHEAD ALBUM 10/10/07
« Reply #195 on: October 10, 2007, 04:16:00 pm »
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   but as long as you're droppin all this knowledge of venue sizes of tours across the world, i just thought you might have info on Radiohead too.  its not really much of a discussion if we only know about one of the bands.
 
You're the Radiohead fanboy.  Why do I have to do your HW to prove that Radiohead are dwarfs of their once big selves?  You should have to discover that on your own.  The rest of us already have....
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« Reply #196 on: October 10, 2007, 04:22:00 pm »
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Originally posted by le sonick:
   but as long as you're droppin all this knowledge of venue sizes of tours across the world, i just thought you might have info on Radiohead too.  its not really much of a discussion if we only know about one of the bands.
 
You're the Radiohead fanboy.  Why do I have to do your HW to prove that Radiohead are dwarfs of their once big selves?  You should have to discover that on your own.  The rest of us already have.... [/b]
damn. i am sorry. i like their music not their ticket sales.
 
   i keep forgetting what really counts here!   :(

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Re: HOLY CRAP - NEW RADIOHEAD ALBUM 10/10/07
« Reply #197 on: October 10, 2007, 04:26:00 pm »
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   in fact, one could argue that after Radiohead played, Coachella was never the same and sold out regularly after that.
I'm sure the Pixies reunion had nothing to do with that.  Absolutely nothing.
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« Reply #198 on: October 10, 2007, 04:28:00 pm »
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Originally posted by vansmack:
   
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Originally posted by le sonick:
   in fact, one could argue that after Radiohead played, Coachella was never the same and sold out regularly after that.
I'm sure the Pixies reunion had nothing to do with that.  Absolutely nothing. [/b]
read my whole post next time smackie.  i mentioned that both the Pixies and Kraftwerk played.  all i was doing correcting that the show sold out when Radiohead headlined.
 
  and btw, there wasnt nearly as many ppl over at that stage while the Pixies were on.  barely half.

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« Reply #199 on: October 10, 2007, 04:34:00 pm »
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  read my whole post next time smackie.  
I read it.  I just wasn't approving of your dismissive attitude towards the thought of the Pixies being an add-on to the great life altering event that was Radiohead at Coachella.
 
 Since then, the organizers have made a point to have reunited bands on every bill of Coachella culminating in constant reunion rumors about the only broken up band that still matters - The Smiths.  I think the reunion think worked for ticket sales more than you're alluding to.
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Re: HOLY CRAP - NEW RADIOHEAD ALBUM 10/10/07
« Reply #200 on: October 10, 2007, 04:36:00 pm »
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Originally posted by vansmack:
   I just wasn't approving of your dismissive attitude towards the thought of the Pixies being an add-on to the great life altering event that was Radiohead at Coachella.
 
 Since then, the organizers have made a point to have reunited bands on every bill of Coachella culminating in constant reunion rumors about the only broken up band that still matters - The Smiths.  I think the reunion think worked for ticket sales more than you're alluding to.
I do know 2 people who went to that Coachella almost entirely for the Pixies. Not that they're representative of the entire group there, but I'm sure the Pixies did alot for ticket sales.

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« Reply #201 on: October 10, 2007, 04:37:00 pm »
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Originally posted by vansmack:
   
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Originally posted by le sonick:
  read my whole post next time smackie.  
I read it.  I just wasn't approving of your dismissive attitude towards the thought of the Pixies being an add-on to the great life altering event that was Radiohead at Coachella.
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i mentioned it, i dont know what more you wanted. personally, i thought more ppl came for Kraftwerk than the Pixies.  you were there werent you?  you couldnt even get into the Kraftwerk tent and i went to the restroom and came back to my exact spot, pretty close to the stage..all during "here comes your man"  which was the ONLY song anyone anywhere near me seemed to actually know the words to.

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« Reply #202 on: October 10, 2007, 04:42:00 pm »
only the Talking Heads reunion will ever get me back to the cali-teen festival that coachella has become.
 
   i felt so old typing that. but if JAMC didnt get me there, i dont know what will.

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« Reply #203 on: October 10, 2007, 04:57:00 pm »
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Originally posted by callat703:
  See, I disagree with you.  I would contend that Radiohead is the biggest band in the world.
Bigger than U2? [/b]
Ummmmm . . . Fuck no.
 
   
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Originally posted by callat703:
  This goes back to the argument that Julian was having - sure, bands have done it before, but NEVER anybody with the reach, market power, or reputation that Radiohead has.  If it isn't Radiohead, that story isn't on the front page of ANY of those news sites.
Before I proceed to berate you, I will state that I like Radiohead & when it's all said & done, they're a lock for a legendary band.  Even in spite of the incorrigible bullshit they've released for the past 7 years.  Now I will proceed to give you what you need . . .
 
 You must be out of your fuckin' mind.  The reason Smashing Pumpkins didn't get as much hype for releasing their online LP is two reasons & two only:
 
 1) This was 7+ years ago, when file-sharing wasn't ANYwhere near as big as it is now & online sales & bootlegging were more or less nonexistent
 
 AND
 
 2) We did not live in the 24-hour information era that we live in now.  That era really dawned upon us roughly 2-3 years ago with more homes having access to high-speed internet & the explosion of blogging.  
 
 I respect that you love your band, & Radiohead are true artists.  But please get your head out of your ass.
 
   
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  I think that's a pretty elementary connection . . .
 
 I'm not saying its an article about what the music sounds like, but how they are going to distribute the music is pretty inextricably linked to the music itself.  You can't write that story without talking about the album at length, as opposed to a story about Britney Spears where you can get through the entire story about her kids, life, party experiences, etc and there is a tag at the end about her new album.
How about you write that she has the #1 selling song on iTunes two weeks running prior to her even having a video out & following the most disastrous performance in MTV VMA history???
 
 In no way am I articulating as to the artistic merit of Britney Spears, but SOMEone's buying the bullshit she's shoveling.  
 
   
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Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
 I just find it ridiculous the levels some of you are taking some of this. Radiohead is not the biggest band in the world, nor does media coverage over a detail only tangentially related to their musical output constitute an affirmation that they're the modern day Beatles. If I ever said any of this nonsense, I'd get flamed so quickly your head would spin. [/QB]
Furthermore, for you to even claim that Radiohead is ANYwhere near the level of the Beatles is completely fuckin' asinine.  And, for the record, I:
 
 1) Think The Beatles are overrated
 2) Listen to Radiohead more than The Beatles
 
 With that being said, it may do Thom Yorke some good to take actual SONGwriting tutelage from Lennon & McCartney's back catalog because Thom will NEVER be as great a songwriter as either one of them.  I'm not even a Beatles fan per se, but cot damn you're trying to compare Sprewell to Jordan.  Please. Seriously.
 
   
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Originally posted by le sonick:
  do you think more aspiring musicians are trying to emulate Thom Yorke or Bono?
You don't read enough magazines/artist interviews.  Bono.  By far.  The man had a fuckin' tribute to him by The Roots (If those aren't musicians, I don't know what is) at the fuckin' NAACP Awards, man.  That's waaaaaaaay outside the rock dempgraphic, fam.
 
 Furthermore, U2's DNA is so in Radiohead it's ridiculous.  Hmmmmmm.  Sweeping, atmospheric guitars over ambiguous lyrics questioning religion, the existence of man, & alienation.  Does it sound a little fuckin' familiar??? Nah.  Not at all.  Never been done.  
 
 It's like pre-OK Computer they were making versions of Achtung Baby.  Post-OK Computer, they were trying to make hybrids of Zooropa & Pop. U2 did it once & moved on.  Unfortunately, Radiohead didn't fuckin' stop.
 
   
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  Actually, at this point?  I think Radiohead could equal U2 in ticket sales.
What the fuck are you smoking???  U2's Vertigo Tour just broke the record for highest gross ever, only to be broken by The Stones Bigger Bang Tour which just ended in August.  This for 2 reasons:
 
 1) The Stones had higher average ticket prices
 2) U2 underplayed EVERY market they went to.  WITHOUT a corporate sponsor, I mind you.  They did 2 dates here in D.C., when they EASILY could have done 5.  And I think 8 total dates @ MSG, when EASILY would sold out 15 on both North American legs, if not 20.
 
 Furthermore, Radiohead has NEVER been a big-selling band.  OK was their biggest seller (U.S.) which Soundscanned under 2 million. No album since that passed platinum.  And it was Kid A by the way.   Hardly, barn-burner numbers.  Unfortantely, bands (I use that term loosely here) like Limp Bizkit & Poison have outsold Radiohead leaps & bounds.  That's WITH UK numbers by the way.  Now in NO way does that speak to Radiohead's unquestioned true artistry - but I reiterate.  Get your head out your ass.
 
   
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  U2 aint playin Stadiums anymore either, though.
Wrong again.  I was AT the closing Vertigo tour show in Honolulu.  There's NO way Radiohead would sell that out.  50,000 people were there.  Radiohead's not on that level anywhere outside the U.K.  And it wouldn't be a stretch to say that Radiohead wouldn't sell out Wembley, O2, or any of those other stadiums around there unless it's part of a festival package.

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Re: HOLY CRAP - NEW RADIOHEAD ALBUM 10/10/07
« Reply #204 on: October 10, 2007, 05:03:00 pm »
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  Post-OK Computer, they were trying to make hybrids of Zooropa & Pop.
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 And it wouldn't be a stretch to say that Radiohead wouldn't sell out Wembley, O2, or any of those other stadiums around there unless it's part of a festival package.
These are the only two sentences I disagreed with.

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« Reply #205 on: October 10, 2007, 05:04:00 pm »
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
 
 It's like pre-OK Computer they were making versions of Achtung Baby.  Post-OK Computer, they were trying to make hybrids of Zooropa & Pop. U2 did it once & moved on.  Unfortunately, Radiohead didn't fuckin' stop.
 
although there are like 20 pointless comments in your post.  i'll take this one to discredit everything else in it.
 
  you sir, need your head out of your ass!!!!!
 
  and would everyone quit talking about fucking concert sales = musical talent!!!!!!!!!!!
 
   ITS
 
   NOT
 
   RELEVANT
 
  if ticket sales meant shit in the grand scheme of ART, then the Velvet Underground and the Sex Pistols, Ramones and countless other timeless acts would be seen less worthy than Blink 182.
 
   just stop it.
 
  U2's nothing but a  super bowl halftime show anymore!
 
 Radiohead kicks U2's ass and until Thom Yorke makes friends with Oprah Winfrey, you won't be able to change my mind!

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« Reply #206 on: October 10, 2007, 05:06:00 pm »
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  I think Radiohead is as close as we'll ever get to a band like the Beatles, where the world essentially stopped when they put out a new album.  Everybody took an hour and listened to it to see what they thought.  Everybody is paying attention.
 
Nothing personal, but that's just such a stupid fucking statement (not that you are the only one to make it).  
 
 The Beatles were not only a massive cultural phenomenon (to which Radiohead does not even come approach), but they also shaped the way other bands recorded and produced their albums.  Other than Muse - who are a joke - and perhaps Clinic, what other bands have really been shaped by the way Radiohead makes music.
 
 If you want a good analogy, try Lemmy's take on Motorhead: "We may not have had a huge amount of fans, but those that we had would murder for us.  And that's saying a lot."

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« Reply #207 on: October 10, 2007, 05:07:00 pm »
and FYI
 
 
  Bonnaroo DID sell out the year Radiohead played.
 
  in case you were still wondering
 
 
 but as Vansmack will point out, they werent the only band to play that year....

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Re: HOLY CRAP - NEW RADIOHEAD ALBUM 10/10/07
« Reply #208 on: October 10, 2007, 05:08:00 pm »
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  Other than Muse - who are a joke - and perhaps Clinic, what other bands have really been shaped by the way Radiohead makes music?
Travis. Coldplay. Keane.

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« Reply #209 on: October 10, 2007, 05:08:00 pm »
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Originally posted by callat703:
  I think Radiohead is as close as we'll ever get to a band like the Beatles, where the world essentially stopped when they put out a new album.  Everybody took an hour and listened to it to see what they thought.  Everybody is paying attention.
 
Nothing personal, but that's just such a stupid fucking statement (not that you are the only one to make it).  
 
 The Beatles were not only a massive cultural phenomenon (to which Radiohead does not even come approach), but they also shaped the way other bands recorded and produced their albums.  Other than Muse - who are a joke - and perhaps Clinic, what other bands have really been shaped by the way Radiohead makes music.
 
 If you want a good analogy, try Lemmy's take on Motorhead: "We may not have had a huge amount of fans, but those that we had would murder for us.  And that's saying a lot." [/b]
so we've finally stopped the Coldplay comparison?
 
 thank god!