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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Got Haggis? on January 11, 2010, 09:43:59 pm
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Nissan Pavilion will now be known as Jiffy Lube Live..... hahha, what a terrible name.
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/midnight_sun/blog/2010/01/nissan_pavilion_is_now_jiffy_l.html
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We've discussed this at length in the last few days.
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ahh somehow i missed that conversation
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New and Lubier Policies for 2011:
No Tailgating!!!
Parking Lots Won't Open until 1 Hour Before Show!!!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/jiffy-lube-live-bans-tailgating/2011/05/16/AFaL9C5G_story.html
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Ugh.
I couldn't care less about tailgating, but the parking lot change sounds disastrous.
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... but the parking lot change sounds disastrous.
I agree!
Will be interesting to see how this affects general traffic in the area and the ability for the audience to get in before the show starts.
Wonder how many accidents this will inadvertently cause due to the congestion? Maybe even impede emergencies trying to get to the hospital and such. Sometimes I wonder about the logic of those who come up with this stuff when looking at the big picture. If anything, it seems they should provide a few food vendors to provide a little lite fare for those rushing from work without dinner. They don't have to sell alcohol but water and soft drinks would be nice. Make a little money and stagger the traffic which should benefit the entire community.
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this venue is a perfect example of why No Va sucks, I mean objectively speaking -- they just build stuff with no thought as to how people will get there. Everyone knew this venue would be a nightmare to get to even when it was still on the drawing board, and it's also a nightmare for anyone else who happens to be traveling in the area, and years later it is apparently no better.
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?It?s probably going to be an issue for the first concert or two,? Chinn said.
I bet.
No thanks.
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Mission accomplished. No way those Toby Keith, Jimmy Buffett and Lil Wayne fans are going to figure out how to get under the influence now. Although I'd go a step further and close the lots one hour AFTER the show too so that the thousands still sitting in their cars at a standstill in the lot, wondering why they haven't moved, who may try drinking to ward off suicidal thought or to try and salvage positive memories of the show, can't get on the road at all and endanger themselves and others.
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Great, one less reason to travel to NoVa. Now if they could only move DCA.
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now . . . if we could just make merriweather go away, this area would be in business.
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agree, Lube/Nissan is horrible all around. If you haven't been there, go - then comment with your experience.
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Nothing like a bunch of corporate hacks defending eliminating tailgating by standing behind reducing drunk driving. Like they'd give two fucking shits if their profits on beer and concession sales would have been up.
What a disaster of a fucking venue.
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The reasoning is so laughable: "We're trying to eliminate drunk driving after the show by eliminating the activities that go on before the show".
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You guys do realize that if you leave during the encore and have a fast set of walking legs, you can beat the crowd and not wait in the lot 3.5 hours, right?
I haven't been to Nissan, but that's certainly been the case with every other music shed/sporting venue I've been to.
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You guys do realize that if you leave during the encore and have a fast set of walking legs, you can beat the crowd and not wait in the lot 3.5 hours, right?
I haven't been to Nissan, but that's certainly been the case with every other music shed/sporting venue I've been to.
Yeah, real cost effective! Pay too much for a ticket and then run out before what is often the best part of many concerts. Besides, why should one have to forfeit the winning home run, so to speak, just because said venue can't manage their traffic flow properly?
Of course, by your plan, you would still have a traffic mess if the majority of people left before the encore and the band gets confused and sort of insulted by very few fans left for the bonus set. It all just starts earlier but would still go through the same congested motions.
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If you're that much of an idiot that you have to see every last song, then you deserve to sit in a parking lot for 3.5 hours.
Thank god there's alot of idiots out there. Allows for my plan to work every time.
You guys do realize that if you leave during the encore and have a fast set of walking legs, you can beat the crowd and not wait in the lot 3.5 hours, right?
I haven't been to Nissan, but that's certainly been the case with every other music shed/sporting venue I've been to.
Yeah, real cost effective! Pay too much for a ticket and then run out before what is often the best part of many concerts. Besides, why should one have to forfeit the winning home run, so to speak, just because said venue can't manage their traffic flow properly?
Of course, by your plan, you would still have a traffic mess if the majority of people left before the encore and the band gets confused and sort of insulted by very few fans left for the bonus set. It all just starts earlier but would still go through the same congested motions.
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If you're that much of an idiot that you have to see every last song, then you deserve to sit in a parking lot for 3.5 hours.
Just because you are not a big music fan does not make those who prefer to see the entire show idiots. It just makes you an arrogant music fan. It also does not change the fact that there is still a major traffic management problem. ::)
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Well also, the shows that James Ford goes to (apparently to see and be seen since the music isn't a priority for him) are mostly populated by fat old people who take much longer to waddle to their minivans.
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Also you've got to love such a know-it-all post that's introduced with "I've never actually been to this place BUT HERE IS THE SUPREME KNOWLEDGE YOU IDIOTS"
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Well in terms of sporting events, I was referring to leaving the NASCAR race a couple of laps before then end of the race. :)
But how does leaving a song or two before the end make you less of a fan or mean the music is not a priority? I mean really, you two sounds like a couple of dipshit teenagers. When in reality your combined ages probably hits the three figure mark.
Well also, the shows that James Ford goes to (apparently to see and be seen since the music isn't a priority for him) are mostly populated by fat old people who take much longer to waddle to their minivans.
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I've gotta side with Rhett on this one.
Went to see Pearl Jam there last year. After the first verse of Yellow Ledbetter we made a break for it (because, gee, I haven't heard Yellow Ledbetter a thousand times). Got into the car and didn't stop until I got home.
I guess it just depends on what kind of a tradeoff you want to make. I enjoyed the other 2.5 hours of the show, I heard almost all of the last song while walking to the car, and I didn't sit in crap traffic.
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I guess it just depends on what kind of a tradeoff you want to make. I enjoyed the other 2.5 hours of the show, I heard almost all of the last song while walking to the car, and I didn't sit in crap traffic.
Okay, that's a worthwhile consideration. A fair choice. The big problem with Rhett's statement is that he not only assumes, but calls, those who choose to stay 'idiots'.
Again, if we all 'smarten up' and leave the same time you guys prefer to leave, than you still have the same congestion. (That was meant mostly for Rhett since he called us 'idiots'.) Hey, I don't mind. The more of you that leave earlier, the less we 'to the last note' types have to deal with when we finally leave. (Except that I personally avoid arena shows so it's sort of a mute point in my realm of existence.)
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Most Americans are idiots.
What evidence is there that people who choose to see live music in a shed are somehow above that level?
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what an insufferable douche
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...says the idiot who prefers shows at the state fucking theater to shows at the 9:30 club.
what an insufferable douche
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James Ford, have you ever been to the State Theater or is this another one of those things that you just somehow know everything about without actually knowing anything about it?
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...says the idiot who prefers shows at the state fucking theater to shows at the 9:30 club.
what an insufferable douche
Right, because I don't appreciate being packed in like a sardine, I am an idiot. Aren't you the pleb constantly whining about the price of things? Sounds like you haven't done nearly enough in life to distinguish yourself from the average idiot.
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Yes, I have.
So tell me, Mr Thinks PJ Harvey is Hot (haha barf barf), based on your experiences with Jiffy Lube, would my leave a song or two early be the first one out of the lot idea work less successfully at the Lube than other sheds I've been to around the area/country?
James Ford, have you ever been to the State Theater or is this another one of those things that you just somehow know everything about without actually knowing anything about it?
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Maybe you're the one going to shows populated by fat old people.
The last several sold out 9:30 shows I've been to have not been overstuffed.
...says the idiot who prefers shows at the state fucking theater to shows at the 9:30 club.
what an insufferable douche
Right, because I don't appreciate being packed in like a sardine, I am an idiot. Aren't you the pleb constantly whining about the price of things? Sounds like you haven't done nearly enough in life to distinguish yourself from the average idiot.
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what was the last good show that was booked at the State Theater...hmmm
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what was the last good show that was booked at the State Theater...hmmm
Arthur Lee opening for The Zombies!
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The Legwarmers?
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that explains why fatskippy likes to go there
The Legwarmers?
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Which one is fatskippy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwtprBpG1fA
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saw this tour in the west....Arthur Lee was in top form. The Zombies, not too much (and Argent had big boobs....)
what was the last good show that was booked at the State Theater...hmmm
Arthur Lee opening for The Zombies!
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Boy, I feel like I'm sitting on a fence of a cow pasture watching Rhett step in one cow plop after another. :D
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Legwarmers are a good time, guess they're not hip enough for the skinny jeans crowd
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Skinny jeans crowd? Yeah, that's me. For sure.
I seem to take it front, take it back. Take it in the scrotum sack.
Legwarmers are a good time, guess they're not hip enough for the skinny jeans crowd
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Skinny jeans crowd? Yeah, that's me. For sure.
Ha ha! Unlike Skippy, having met you, I know that that is neither you nor your crowd.
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Love totally killed at this show indeed. Colin can still sing, but yeah Argent is a TOOL!
saw this tour in the west....Arthur Lee was in top form. The Zombies, not too much (and Argent had big boobs....)
what was the last good show that was booked at the State Theater...hmmm
Arthur Lee opening for The Zombies!
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Legwarmers are a good time, guess they're not hip enough for the skinny jeans crowd
And what started off as a goof for them is now a good time that pays a few mortgages.
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Legwarmers are a good time, guess they're not hip enough for the skinny jeans crowd
They've sold out the Nat'l the past 2 times they've played. They're fun and all, but they need to change up their setlists more often (I've seen them at least 3 times in the past year).
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based on your experiences with Jiffy Lube, would my leave a song or two early be the first one out of the lot idea work less successfully at the Lube than other sheds I've been to around the area/country?
Not taking sides on this incredibly entertaining exchange, but I'll say yes - it could be less effective at JL than most other sheds. It's better than waiting until the very end, but you're also underestimating just how terrible parking can be here. JL is one of the worst, if not the worst sheds I've ever been to. I've probably been to 15-20 of them - not a bad sample-size.
Parking at JL is hit-or-miss. It's not _always_ as bad as people make it out to be, but when it's bad, it's horrendous. Leaving early is a good idea, but it's not a surefire way to avoid the crush of getting out, which can take hours.
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the nissan parking lot is a disgrace..part of the problem is they have a bunch of clueless high school kids running it
the bigger problem is the lame acts they been getting
state theatre is a wonderful venue all around..last really good show there i caught was petermurphy...marcia ball was not bad either
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i like def leppard, and my partner likes heart. we were going to go because we had a blast the last time we went to see def leppard at nissan. but ticket prices are too high at jiffy lube for a lot of shows now. same old tired act jimmy buffet is charging what?! so many bands feel like the only way to make money anymore in music is to rip off the consumer who goes to shows.
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so many bands feel like the only way to make money anymore in music is to rip off the consumer who goes to shows.
That pretty much is the only way to make money in music these days
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Apart from promoting drugs
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now . . . if we could just make merriweather go away, this area would be in business.
What is wrong with Merriweather?
I've been to many sheds of similar size all over the country and think it one of, if not the best of them all (maybe second to Alpine Valley) .
Don't take this as snarky, but have you seen anything there besides Phish? If not, you have to realize that their crowd presents its own set of challenges for a venue.
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i have seen plenty of shows at merriwhatever. plenty. don't like that it is too far for me. don't like the parking lot scene. don't like the security. don't like the trees around the place. don't like the food or beer. don't like the lawn or the sound that you get on the lawn. don't like the drive home. don't like the seats. don't like the two sub sections of left and right center. don't like maryland.
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i have seen plenty of shows at merriwhatever. plenty. don't like that it is too far for me. don't like the parking lot scene. don't like the security. don't like the trees around the place. don't like the food or beer. don't like the lawn or the sound that you get on the lawn. don't like the drive home. don't like the seats. don't like the two sub sections of left and right center. don't like maryland.
Well, that explains it.
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walkonby: 32, going on 80.
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Hard to believe someone so crotchety has a partner. If human, I would hope they were a blind deaf/mute. Only way to deal with you.
i have seen plenty of shows at merriwhatever. plenty. don't like that it is too far for me. don't like the parking lot scene. don't like the security. don't like the trees around the place. don't like the food or beer. don't like the lawn or the sound that you get on the lawn. don't like the drive home. don't like the seats. don't like the two sub sections of left and right center. don't like maryland.
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Hard to believe someone so crotchety has a partner. If human, I would hope they were a blind deaf/mute. Only way to deal with you.
i have seen plenty of shows at merriwhatever. plenty. don't like that it is too far for me. don't like the parking lot scene. don't like the security. don't like the trees around the place. don't like the food or beer. don't like the lawn or the sound that you get on the lawn. don't like the drive home. don't like the seats. don't like the two sub sections of left and right center. don't like maryland.
yes . . . my life is so difficult. i just know what i like and what i don't. sorry if i am bashing on your "precious venue."
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what was the last good show that was booked at the State Theater...hmmm
Gin Blossoms January 2009. I was there. It was AWESOME.
Seriously.
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You guys do realize that if you leave during the encore and have a fast set of walking legs, you can beat the crowd and not wait in the lot 3.5 hours, right?
I haven't been to Nissan, but that's certainly been the case with every other music shed/sporting venue I've been to.
I don't understand why people who do that shit even bother going out (unless the show sucks). Stay at home and wait for the video next time.
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To each their own. If they want to leave early that's their deal. Could care less.
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Apparently you really enjoy parking lots.
You guys do realize that if you leave during the encore and have a fast set of walking legs, you can beat the crowd and not wait in the lot 3.5 hours, right?
I haven't been to Nissan, but that's certainly been the case with every other music shed/sporting venue I've been to.
I don't understand why people who do that shit even bother going out (unless the show sucks). Stay at home and wait for the video next time.
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My problem with Merriweather is the loge section. It was built out of greed and shouldn't exist. The sound and sight lines are crap and the tarp covering it cuts off all airflow inside the pavilion. On a hot day it will be cooler in the sun than in the pavilion because of the tarps covering the loge. The sound/view from the lawn is also terrible but I am a pavilion snob so that's irrelevant.
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true: sight lines from lawn at mpp are terrible...
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?It?s probably going to be an issue for the first concert or two,? Chinn said.
I bet.
No thanks.
i'm sure it will be - because after 1 or 2 shows, they will realize what a disaster that decision was and will put a stop to that idiocy. done and done.
do they really think people are only going to show up an hour before the show? of course not. they won't be let in, so then what? they'll start blocking all the access roads. loudoun county police will freak out and start ticketing the cars who can't move b/c the roads are gridlocked, by the time the last car arrive it'll be time for the first ones to start leaving... for those who thought the clusterf*ck at nissan/jiffy couldn't get any worse, think again.
You guys do realize that if you leave during the encore and have a fast set of walking legs, you can beat the crowd and not wait in the lot 3.5 hours, right?
in a properly designed and run venue, that isn't necessary. MPP has several access roads going in all directions, and multiple parking options with multiple exits/entrances = never waited more than 15 minutes to get out of parking lot. for that time investment, i'll stay for the encore.
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RHETT - I did leave before the last song. Even walked out third to last song, BEFORE encore! We knew to get out of there early. Took the long walk, jogged a bit to get a head start to the car -- yet, others did too. The staff opened the gates, we were behind it, it was a cluster*, we asked them to move the gates multiple times to help us, they didn't, even laughed, and by then the show was over. Then the encore was over, and the next thing you knew even the street was backed up. Geez, do I have to tell you allll the details so you don't call me an idiot? The place is messed up whether I stayed for the last song or not. If I had decided to wait for others to leave, it wouldn't have mattered - I would have sat there for five hours. What venue have you been to that you need to wait 3-5 hours for the crowd to drain out?
I'm sorry people criticize you all day and you need attention that you feel inclined to call names and judge others for things that you have no experience.
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Stayng for the entire show at MPP? I've experienced 15-20 min. with a helpful staph waving us goodbye. 30 mins one time but that was a huge festival years ago. so it may have only felt like 30 min. ;P
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I haven't been to Nissan
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Oh, know your subject it's called: JIFFY LUBE LIVE
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don't like the trees around the place.
i thought you were all nature-boy. how can you not love having trees around?? would you rather have concrete pillars and steel tubes? no wonder you're OK with jiffy lube... ;)
don't like the food or beer.
i don't get this at all. MPP has the best food and drink selection of any shed i've been to, and like others here i've been to many. 95% of sheds serve burgers, hot dogs, nuclear natchos and lite beer. i'm not saying MPP is a foodie's dream, but you can get real food there.
don't like maryland.
is this that thing about how VA'ers can't deal with MD, and vice-versa? both sides seem to break out into hives whenever they cross the potomac. i find that shit hilarious.
don't like that it is too far for me.
fuck yeah - i hate chicago, san francisco, the grand canyon, amsterdam and sydney for the same reason. those places all suck.
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Hey, Rhett. For the next time that you are out to see a show:
(http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lht7omLUbe1qc04t7o1_500.jpg)
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You guys do realize that if you leave during the encore and have a fast set of walking legs, you can beat the crowd and not wait in the lot 3.5 hours, right?
in a properly designed and run venue, that isn't necessary. MPP has several access roads going in all directions, and multiple parking options with multiple exits/entrances = never waited more than 15 minutes to get out of parking lot. for that time investment, i'll stay for the encore.
Thanks, sweetie for the extra detail to support. If it had just been my experience (or fault as some have pointed out), I would accept blame. Yet, I haven't heard any good stories from others about The Lube..most state the same mishaps and discontent (no matter what time you leave unless you are missing half the show)
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The real reason Rhett chooses to rush home before the show ends:
(http://www.mamieyoung.com/dailydawdle/WD40,%20lube%20for%20metal.jpg)
Rhett and Celeste get ready to enjoy a good lube job after getting lubed at the Lube.
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I'm sorry my idea didn't work for you. Refer to page 2 and read Eros' experience. It did work for him/her. Maybe he/she could add some additional advice based on his/her personal experience at JL.
I would add to think about where you park in advance and how it will affect your exit. Strategize.
The first couple of times I went to a NASCAR event, I stayed until the end, and then was stuck in the lot and then traffic for hours. Since then, I've been strategic about where I parked and when I departed and have not had a problem. Same thing for the shed where I saw concerts growing up (in upstate NY) and Wolftrap.
Regarding other things in this thread:
I think the State Theater occasionally has a decent show. But to favorably compare it to the 9:30 Club is silly.
And the best food is at Wolftrap. where you can bring your own food and alcohol.
And I've lived in MD (Baltimore and DC bubrbs), VA and DC. I'll take both VA and MD over DC@!
RHETT - I did leave before the last song. Even walked out third to last song, BEFORE encore! We knew to get out of there early. Took the long walk, jogged a bit to get a head start to the car -- yet, others did too. The staff opened the gates, we were behind it, it was a cluster*, we asked them to move the gates multiple times to help us, they didn't, even laughed, and by then the show was over. Then the encore was over, and the next thing you knew even the street was backed up. Geez, do I have to tell you allll the details so you don't call me an idiot? The place is messed up whether I stayed for the last song or not. If I had decided to wait for others to leave, it wouldn't have mattered - I would have sat there for five hours. What venue have you been to that you need to wait 3-5 hours for the crowd to drain out?
I'm sorry people criticize you all day and you need attention that you feel inclined to call names and judge others for things that you have no experience.
(http://www.marketingprofs.com/small-business/files/GSB_90_080108.jpg)
Stayng for the entire show at MPP? I've experienced 15-20 min. with a helpful staph waving us goodbye. 30 mins one time but that was a huge festival years ago. so it may have only felt like 30 min. ;P
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My problem with Merriweather is the loge section. It was built out of greed and shouldn't exist. The sound and sight lines are crap and the tarp covering it cuts off all airflow inside the pavilion. On a hot day it will be cooler in the sun than in the pavilion because of the tarps covering the loge. The sound/view from the lawn is also terrible but I am a pavilion snob so that's irrelevant.
It was built for a Tom Jones concert, to accomodate his crazy fans.
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I had already done all of the things you suggested: left early, ran, parked near the exit, etc. The high schoolers didn't work the lot as soon as they opened them into the traffic which caused the cluster. I went over this. I'm not perfecting the past for you. I only shared an experience at Nissan. Obviously I learned from my and others' experience(s). Sheesh. I'm not that big of idiot where I would do the same thing again -- I didn't say I did. I ask if you want to criticize, name call and offer advice, it is more easily received if you have actually experienced the event. If you haven't and offer a solution (in this case based on your practice at other venues) - don't call me names and insult my actions.
Believe me, I'm strategic in my concert goings more than the average person. I don't need to explain or defend how I see a show to you. It was a mishap experience for me (or perhaps not an isolated incident, as others have "justified" to you), which happens in life even with the most pre-planning possible.
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Enough about you more about the Lube...
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And the best food is at Wolftrap. where you can bring your own food and alcohol.
I just wish they'd schedule an act that I really wanted to see. Same crap every year with a couple of wildcards thrown in. But the idea of a picnic on the lawn simply can't be beat.
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Agreed and agreed.
I was hoping thy had turned a corner the year they booke David Byrne/Devotchka and Wilco.
But apparently that year was an anomaly. Or the stars simply aligned to give two shows that interested me.
And the best food is at Wolftrap. where you can bring your own food and alcohol.
I just wish they'd schedule an act that I really wanted to see. Same crap every year with a couple of wildcards thrown in. But the idea of a picnic on the lawn simply can't be beat.
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i'd see Brian Wilson again but not performing Gershwin songs...
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Concerning live music venues, nothing more boring than one that keeps booking the same worn out acts, year in and year out, with no real regard to any sort of current scene. The old Merriweather was notorious for that! Though I haven't kept up with their shows of late, Pier Six in Baltimore has the same problem. Guess that's what happens when all you do is look at past numbers without having any real sense of the arts themselves. Boring, boring, BORING! I never have traffic problems with such places (unless I just happen to be driving in those areas at those times) because I just don't even bother to pay any attention to their schedules after awhile. Don't like large arena and most shed shows anyway but would consider a few at some of the smaller and much better managed ones such at the newer Merriweather.
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don't like the trees around the place.
i thought you were all nature-boy. how can you not love having trees around?? would you rather have concrete pillars and steel tubes? no wonder you're OK with jiffy lube... ;)
don't like the food or beer.
i don't get this at all. MPP has the best food and drink selection of any shed i've been to, and like others here i've been to many. 95% of sheds serve burgers, hot dogs, nuclear natchos and lite beer. i'm not saying MPP is a foodie's dream, but you can get real food there.
don't like maryland.
is this that thing about how VA'ers can't deal with MD, and vice-versa? both sides seem to break out into hives whenever they cross the potomac. i find that shit hilarious.
don't like that it is too far for me.
fuck yeah - i hate chicago, san francisco, the grand canyon, amsterdam and sydney for the same reason. those places all suck.
i like sweetcell.
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is this that thing about how VA'ers can't deal with MD, and vice-versa? both sides seem to break out into hives whenever they cross the potomac. i find that shit hilarious.
I'm not a native, but here's how I feel about that. As a proud liberal, I'm more of a MD person than a VA person. I'd rather live close to Baltimore and DC than live out in BFE Arlington, Fairfax, Loudon or PW for any reason. But I don't break out in hives going into VA. I just don't prefer the place.
Plus, Fairfax County Public Schools murders its own children and destroys the careers of innocent teachers.
But don't you EVER FORGET: We're Fairfax fucking Public Schools, and we're Number fucking One for a fucking reason. Remember what I said.
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arlington is very nice and a 10 minute drive from dc
i far prefer the republic of arlington to md
we also claim dave grohl and jim morrisson as local heroes
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plus, virginia beach is better than that kiddie land over crowd of a sand step called ocean city . . . which isn't saying much because virginia beach really is horrible too. i'm not saying virginia > or < or +/-/=/% maryland. i just don't like the cops in maryland. they make me mad.
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music venues in my area: iotas, state theatre, wolftrap, jammin java
guess if i lived in silver spring i'd have the fillmore
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Rehoboth is way, way better than ocean city or virginia beach.
As a beer lover (Dogfish Alehouse) and a gay guy, you should prefer it as well.
plus, virginia beach is better than that kiddie land over crowd of a sand step called ocean city . . . which isn't saying much because virginia beach really is horrible too. i'm not saying virginia > or < or +/-/=/% maryland. i just don't like the cops in maryland. they make me mad.
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Maryland also has the world's worst drivers.
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I've been commuting to work by bike for more than a decade and as such, I tend to categorize them thusly:
Maryland drivers are assholes
DC drivers are idiots
Virginia drivers are pussies
This applies across the board, 100%, black if black, white if white, no exceptions, no remorse.
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Arlington is far from BFE...I lived there for a looong time. Could easily beat a lot of my Petworth/Tacoma Park/Silver Spring friends to locations in NW.
But it is too damn expensive. So now i live in Falls Church.
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But we (Baltimore) have Zappa, David Byrne and Ric Ocasek
arlington is very nice and a 10 minute drive from dc
i far prefer the republic of arlington to md
we also claim dave grohl and jim morrisson as local heroes
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Rehoboth is way, way better than ocean city or virginia beach.
As a beer lover (Dogfish Alehouse) and a gay guy, you should prefer it as well.
plus, virginia beach is better than that kiddie land over crowd of a sand step called ocean city . . . which isn't saying much because virginia beach really is horrible too. i'm not saying virginia > or < or +/-/=/% maryland. i just don't like the cops in maryland. they make me mad.
never been. i always thought that place was full of people with their noses in the air, spending money like it's made of paper, and all being like, "hey look at me . . . i'm in rehoboth. ooh, ooh, let's go spend some more money over there."
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Maryland also has the world's worst drivers.
This is the sole reason I can't stand Maryland. I grew up in VA, lived for a few years and still work in MD, just moved to DC (so, can't comment on that).
But wow, Maryland drivers are the worst I have ever seen. It's the king of one car accidents. I don't go more than a week without seeing a carbeque on the side of the road just blazing away. Everytime there's a merge, construction, an exit/entrance-ramp, or if the interstate takes the slightest of turns everyone slams on their brakes, changes lanes like 8 times, speeds up abruptly only to do it all again in 50 feet, and generally freaks the fuck out.
Yeah, Northern VA is a mess and DC is a bit of a disaster with the tourists and strange intersections, but they've nothing on Maryland. I'm not sure if it's the lack of annual inspections which allow for complete wrecks to be on the road, if their licensing tests are inadequate, lack of enforcement for traffic idiocy fines, or what.
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Maryland also has the world's worst drivers.
incorrect. as soon as a single drop of rain or a snowflake drops, VA drivers slam on the brakes and proceed at 8 miles an hour until the sun returns. i'm assuming this is what relaxer meant by his "pussy" comment.
i lived 2 years in massachusetts - MD drivers are down-right enjoyable!
wait - what is this thread about again?
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md drivers ARE the worst...
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Maryland also has the world's worst drivers.
this is the truth. i blame sweetcell
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Pittsburg drivers are the worst! They are well known for constantly making left hand turns from the far right lane and visa versa.
Virginians are like displaced Germans, rushing 85 mph on a 55 mph road, regardless of weather conditions, that are well set up with radar traps. Not what I'd call a 'pussy'. Crazy, maybe.
This intolerance towards various places drives me crazy. Maybe it's because I'm the kind of person who loves exploring that I tend to like each of these places you've all mentioned. They each have their pros and cons and best for different reasons.
Oh, regarding Rehoboth and Dewey Beaches, be very, very careful while driving through Delaware, especially the beach areas. Their cops invented revenue generation! Coastal Hwy is a roller coaster of speed zones that constantly switch between 55 mph to 35 mph and they sit out there just waiting for the unsuspecting and not all that cognizant of the changes to issue those tickets.
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problem with md drivers in the beltway area is they are so agressive and dont follow the laws thus endangering everyone around them
in this respect- and i have lived in this area for 18 years- they are diferent from dc/va drivers
nationally the worst i have seen are south florida drivers...they make md drivers look like boy scouts
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i far prefer the republic of arlington to md
The People's Republic of Arlington is almost the only redeeming quality about VA. Unfortunately its full of DOUCHEBAGS.
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this is all so silly.
maryland shmaryland. virginia shmirginia.
The experience of living in either of these places is pretty much the same (at least within dc metro region). seperated merely by a river in some places, by just miles in others.
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this is all so silly.
maryland shmaryland. virginia shmirginia.
The experience of living in either of these places is pretty much the same (at least within dc metro region). seperated merely by a river in some places, by just miles in others.
i think they are different....
one big difference is their racial makeup
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Uh, oh.
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i think they are different....
one big difference is their racial makeup
virginia is too lily-white for ya?
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If Springfield is lily-white, what does that make Bethesda?
i think they are different....
one big difference is their racial makeup
virginia is too lily-white for ya?
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I always get amused when people say "-such and such location- are the worst drivers ever."
everyone says that about everywhere. well, where are the good drivers then?
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I always get amused when people say "-such and such location- are the worst drivers ever."
everyone says that about everywhere. well, where are the good drivers then?
I drive through downtown daily and can attest that those with DC license plates drive much better than their suburban counterparts (taxis and trucks excepted)
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I always get amused when people say "-such and such location- are the worst drivers ever."
everyone says that about everywhere. well, where are the good drivers then?
driving is socialized so there are better and worse areas
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I always get amused when people say "-such and such location- are the worst drivers ever."
everyone says that about everywhere. well, where are the good drivers then?
I drive through downtown daily and can attest that those with DC license plates drive much better than their suburban counterparts (taxis and trucks excepted)
Of course. They know the area better. DC is a very confusing place to get around in, especially while driving. The locals are use to it and know the area and traffic patterns much better. Of course they will tend to be better drivers while in their own neighborhoods. Take them out of their usual environments and they'll probably seem like yahoos compared to that other area's drivers.
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Uh, oh.
a few facts before we proceed with any discussion about the racial makeup of states/districts:
DC census stats: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/11000.html
MD census stats: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/51000.html
VA census stats: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/24000.html
ok, back to arguing about who has the worse drivers... or, you know, how much jiffy lube live SUCKS.
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Uh, oh.
a few facts before we proceed with any discussion about the racial makeup of states/districts:
DC census stats: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/11000.html
MD census stats: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/51000.html
VA census stats: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/24000.html
ok, back to arguing about who has the worse drivers... or, you know, how much jiffy lube live SUCKS.
come on!
we are obviously talking about the area around dc
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jiffy lube sucks so bad...i may never go back....
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this is all so silly.
The experience of living in either of these places is pretty much the same (at least within dc metro region). seperated merely by a river in some places, by just miles in others.
Agree and disagree. I live in the MD burbs and have great access to both DC and Baltimore. There is no equivalent in NOVA.
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jiffy lube sucks so bad...i may never go back....
it's gonna take something like radiohead, daft punk, or jesus v.2, to get me back there - i.e. something that i'd be willing to get on a plane to go see elsewhere.
for all intents and purposes, JLL isn't a local venue for me. it might as well be in west virginia, or north carolina.
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In terms of lily-white it doesn't get much more lily-white than
(http://dctees.net/images/WOMENS/BUY_Women/Buy_NWDC_W.jpg)
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jiffy lube sucks so bad...i may never go back....
it's gonna take something like radiohead, daft punk, or jesus v.2, to get me back there - i.e. something that i'd be willing to get on a plane to go see elsewhere.
for all intents and purposes, JLL isn't a local venue for me. it might as well be in west virginia, or north carolina.
You know, I think that we've stumbled upon something that we all can pretty much agree on.
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I always get amused when people say "-such and such location- are the worst drivers ever."
everyone says that about everywhere. well, where are the good drivers then?
I drive through downtown daily and can attest that those with DC license plates drive much better than their suburban counterparts (taxis and trucks excepted)
Of course. They know the area better. DC is a very confusing place to get around in, especially while driving. The locals are use to it and know the area and traffic patterns much better. Of course they will tend to be better drivers while in their own neighborhoods. Take them out of their usual environments and they'll probably seem like yahoos compared to that other area's drivers.
I disagree - 99% driving in downtown DC ("golden triangle" area) on a weekday don't live there, they're commuting - DC/MD/VA drivers are all on the same footing, DCists just do it better
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In terms of lily-white it doesn't get much more lily-white than
(http://dctees.net/images/WOMENS/BUY_Women/Buy_NWDC_W.jpg)
i know you're all down on NWDC, but i suspect that it's still more diverse than fairfax.
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Demographics of my daughter's (future) elementary school (hence, my Fairfax neighborhood).
African American: 10.4%
American Indian: .3%
Asian American: 18.8%
Hispanic: 18.1%
Multiracial: 5.9%
White: 45.3%
I'll bet NWDC is alot whiter than that.
i know you're all down on NWDC, but i suspect that it's still more diverse than fairfax.
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Demographics of my daughter's (future) elementary school (hence, my Fairfax neighborhood).
African American: 10.4%
American Indian: .3%
Asian American: 18.8%
Hispanic: 18.1%
Multiracial: 5.9%
White: 45.3%
I'll bet NWDC is alot whiter than that.
N=1 is not a representative sample. i'm sure i could find one school in NWDC that would make your school look like pure vanilla.
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i know you're all down on NWDC, but i suspect that it's still more diverse than fairfax.
Ward 3 is whiter than Fairfax:
http://www.neighborhoodinfodc.org/wards/nbr_prof_wrd3.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairfax,_Virginia#Demographics
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why does dc hate on the asians
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i know you're all down on NWDC, but i suspect that it's still more diverse than fairfax.
Ward 3 is whiter than Fairfax:
http://www.neighborhoodinfodc.org/wards/nbr_prof_wrd3.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairfax,_Virginia#Demographics
Well duh. People who live in Fairfax live there because they can't afford to live in Arlington or Ward 3.
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i know you're all down on NWDC, but i suspect that it's still more diverse than fairfax.
Ward 3 is whiter than Fairfax:
http://www.neighborhoodinfodc.org/wards/nbr_prof_wrd3.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairfax,_Virginia#Demographics
Well duh. People who live in Fairfax live there because they can't afford to live in Arlington or Ward 3.
Arlington is less white than either Ward 3 or Fairfax:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlington_County,_Virginia#Demographics
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Hey idiot. How hard is it for you to grasp that some people might prefer green lawns to rat infestation?
Not everyone wears skinny jeans.
i know you're all down on NWDC, but i suspect that it's still more diverse than fairfax.
Ward 3 is whiter than Fairfax:
http://www.neighborhoodinfodc.org/wards/nbr_prof_wrd3.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairfax,_Virginia#Demographics
Well duh. People who live in Fairfax live there because they can't afford to live in Arlington or Ward 3.
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Not even close. I'm pretty sure Wilson is NW (and DC's) whitest public high school.
African American: 51%
Asian American: 9%
Hispanic: 16%
White: 25%
But what does it matter. The lillywhite areas in NW you speak of, around AU, Cathedral, all the way to Georgetown, those folks send their kids to fancy private schools anyway. So it's hard to get an accurate picture of NW DC base on school enrollment.
Demographics of my daughter's (future) elementary school (hence, my Fairfax neighborhood).
African American: 10.4%
American Indian: .3%
Asian American: 18.8%
Hispanic: 18.1%
Multiracial: 5.9%
White: 45.3%
I'll bet NWDC is alot whiter than that.
i know you're all down on NWDC, but i suspect that it's still more diverse than fairfax.
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Not even close. I'm pretty sure Wilson is NW (and DC's) whitest public high school.
African American: 51%
SW in da house!
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i know you're all down on NWDC, but i suspect that it's still more diverse than fairfax.
Ward 3 is whiter than Fairfax:
http://www.neighborhoodinfodc.org/wards/nbr_prof_wrd3.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairfax,_Virginia#Demographics
DAVID BROOKS BAT SIGNAL
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/03/opinion/03brooks.html
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thread progression is an interesting thing.
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This is pretty cool.
http://www.loc.gov/jukebox/
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I'll bet NWDC is alot whiter than that.
You're one of those types who assumes NW DC is only Adams Morgan, Dupont, & Georgetown, right? And all the other areas are "bad" and therefore are Southeast?
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No, I'm not one of those people.
But you are proving my point. Over here in AM, Dupont and Georgetown, you have the whiteys and a sprinkling of other. In the other parts of NWDC ,you have the darkies and a sprinkling of other. RIGHT???
On my block of 15 or so houses, we have Caucasian, African-American, Latino, Arab, Asian, and (I think) Indian families. That includes senior citizens, middle aged people (er, that would include me), and young families. Now if we could only get a gay family to move in.
I'll bet NWDC is alot whiter than that.
You're one of those types who assumes NW DC is only Adams Morgan, Dupont, & Georgetown, right? And all the other areas are "bad" and therefore are Southeast?
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jiffy lube live needs an oil change service done in the parking lot while you attend the concert. this could be included in the price of the ticket and you would park in a specific area of the lot. maybe they could rotate the tires also.
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No, I'm not one of those people.
But you are proving my point. Over here in AM, Dupont and Georgetown, you have the whiteys and a sprinkling of other. In the other parts of NWDC ,you have the darkies and a sprinkling of other. RIGHT???
On my block of 15 or so houses, we have Caucasian, African-American, Latino, Arab, Asian, and (I think) Indian families. That includes senior citizens, middle aged people (er, that would include me), and young families. Now if we could only get a gay family to move in.
I'll bet NWDC is alot whiter than that.
You're one of those types who assumes NW DC is only Adams Morgan, Dupont, & Georgetown, right? And all the other areas are "bad" and therefore are Southeast?
I don't really see what your point is... where you're living is still boring as shit and requires a car to do anything. To each their own, but not for me, ever!
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My point is that the suburbs aren't as lily-white and nonintegrated as some ignorant people would lead you to believe. Whereas DC has become a dual city: arrogant upwardly mobile white douchebags, and poor people too poor to leave the ghetto.
You're a typical arrogant "aint I cool because I live in the city" aging white hipster douche. No wonder so many people prefer the suburbs....to stay away from the likes of you! ;)
No, I'm not one of those people.
But you are proving my point. Over here in AM, Dupont and Georgetown, you have the whiteys and a sprinkling of other. In the other parts of NWDC ,you have the darkies and a sprinkling of other. RIGHT???
On my block of 15 or so houses, we have Caucasian, African-American, Latino, Arab, Asian, and (I think) Indian families. That includes senior citizens, middle aged people (er, that would include me), and young families. Now if we could only get a gay family to move in.
I'll bet NWDC is alot whiter than that.
You're one of those types who assumes NW DC is only Adams Morgan, Dupont, & Georgetown, right? And all the other areas are "bad" and therefore are Southeast?
I don't really see what your point is... where you're living is still boring as shit and requires a car to do anything. To each their own, but not for me, ever!
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My point is that the suburbs aren't as lily-white and nonintegrated as some ignorant people would lead you to believe. Whereas DC has become a dual city: arrogant upwardly mobile white douchebags, and poor people too poor to leave the ghetto.
You're a typical arrogant "aint I cool because I live in the city" aging white hipster douche. No wonder so many people prefer the suburbs....to stay away from the likes of you! ;)
dunno, pretty clear that there are some ignorant douchebags in the 'burbs too...
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Oh yeah, that's right. You live in Maryland. ;)
Has Doctor Doom ever even tried to live a suburban life with a wife and children that he so shuns?
I bet he's a never married (commitment-phobe) 40something guy who lives in a one bedroom condo in an "edgy" part of town and still chases 20 year old girls in black at Black Cat Cure vs. Smiths nights. Or maybe I'm completely wrong.
My point is that the suburbs aren't as lily-white and nonintegrated as some ignorant people would lead you to believe. Whereas DC has become a dual city: arrogant upwardly mobile white douchebags, and poor people too poor to leave the ghetto.
You're a typical arrogant "aint I cool because I live in the city" aging white hipster douche. No wonder so many people prefer the suburbs....to stay away from the likes of you! ;)
dunno, pretty clear that there are some ignorant douchebags in the 'burbs too...
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I see you've descended into personal attacks, which must mean I made my point and you have no valid retort. :D
I'm always struck by the lack of imagination of people who think suburbia is the only place to raise kids -- there are plenty of families living in my "edgy" neighborhood and they and their parents seem to be doing just fine.
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Retort this one:
i'm always struck by the arrogance of people who think they are above car culture. Because unless you're growing all your own food, building your own bicycle or salvaging the other consumer goods you're using from somebodies junk pile, etc. etc.....you're not.
I could live without a car where I live, if I chose. I'm on a bus line to the Metro, VRE is easily bikeable, and I'm within walking distance of Giant, Whole Foods, Starbucks, CVS, JAXX, a large park, and a smattering of restaurants.
And how much imagination does it take to pick out your kids private school?
I see you've descended into personal attacks, which must mean I made my point and you have no valid retort. :D
I'm always struck by the lack of imagination of people who think suburbia is the only place to raise kids -- there are plenty of families living in my "edgy" neighborhood and they and their parents seem to be doing just fine.
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i love dc...lived there for 15 years..miss it at times
just cant afford it at this point..not if i want a little yard for my 18 month old son...not if i want to live close to the metro...not if i want to live somewhere were i don't have to worry about crime
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I could live without a car where I live, if I chose. I'm on a bus line to the Metro, VRE is easily bikeable, and I'm within walking distance of Giant, Whole Foods, Starbucks, CVS, JAXX, a large park, and a smattering of restaurants.
So do you choose? Do you actually take the bus and the metro and ride your bike and walk to all of those places? And I mean more than once every three months. Because I could learn to speak 30 languages fluently "if I chose". That's a pretty stupid argument.
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But since this is the thread where you insisted you were the authority on attending Jiffy Lube Live shows, despite having never been to Jiffy Lube Live, it's not surprising in the least.
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I expect that soon you will tell walkonby what it's really like to grow up as a gay man since you know so much better than he does.
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what an insufferable douche
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is it now a given that threads will go one, if not all, of three routes?
political
attack
pics of cats
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No, i'm not as much of a self-righteous douche as doctor doom.
I could live without a car where I live, if I chose. I'm on a bus line to the Metro, VRE is easily bikeable, and I'm within walking distance of Giant, Whole Foods, Starbucks, CVS, JAXX, a large park, and a smattering of restaurants.
So do you choose? Do you actually take the bus and the metro and ride your bike and walk to all of those places? And I mean more than once every three months. Because I could learn to speak 30 languages fluently "if I chose". That's a pretty stupid argument.
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Remind he where I said that I was the authority???
"You guys do realize that if you leave during the encore and have a fast set of walking legs, you can beat the crowd and not wait in the lot 3.5 hours, right?
I haven't been to Nissan, but that's certainly been the case with every other music shed/sporting venue I've been to."
But since this is the thread where you insisted you were the authority on attending Jiffy Lube Live shows, despite having never been to Jiffy Lube Live, it's not surprising in the least.
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No, i'm not as much of a self-righteous douche as doctor doom.
i swear i'm being objective when i say that in the context of this particular debate, your above statement is highly debatable ;D
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My decision to live outside of DC comes down to one thing, and one thing only. Sub-standard public schools. I've been raising two kids by myself on a single income for the past 2 or so years. So shelling out the cash for private schools is out of the question. And rolling the dice on getting into one of the better charter schools is also out of the question.
That said, we've been really happy in Arlington, and now Falls Church in a neighborhood that is probably 50/50 latino/white. I'm getting married in October, so for the first time in a long time I'm now enjoying a two income home...but we are staying put.
For me, and for everyone else, either location has it's ups and downs. But for ME, all things considered, the burbs are the better fit.
To each their own. If I had no kids, I'd most certainly not live where I am, but if that were the case I probably would have left the area altogether quite some time ago.
PS - If I were a city dweller I'd still no doubt have a car. I lived without one until I was almost 30 years old, so clearly I know it can be done. But I like road trips and self-reliance, so I need that flexibility in my life.
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i.e. I agree with Doctor Doom's opinion.
No, i'm not as much of a self-righteous douche as doctor doom.
i swear i'm being objective when i say that in the context of this particular debate, your above statement is highly debatable ;D
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"I don't really see what your point is... where you're living is still boring as shit and requires a car to do anything. To each their own, but not for me, ever!"
My decision to live outside of DC comes down to one thing, and one thing only. Sub-standard public schools. I've been raising two kids by myself on a single income for the past 2 or so years. So shelling out the cash for private schools is out of the question. And rolling the dice on getting into one of the better charter schools is also out of the question.
That said, we've been really happy in Arlington, and now Falls Church in a neighborhood that is probably 50/50 latino/white. I'm getting married in October, so for the first time in a long time I'm now enjoying a two income home...but we are staying put.
For me, and for everyone else, either location has it's ups and downs. But for ME, all things considered, the burbs are the better fit.
To each their own. If I had no kids, I'd most certainly not live where I am, but if that were the case I probably would have left the area altogether quite some time ago.
PS - If I were a city dweller I'd still no doubt have a car. I lived without one until I was almost 30 years old, so clearly I know it can be done. But I like road trips and self-reliance, so I need that flexibility in my life.
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I were a city dweller I'd still no doubt have a car.
especially as a parent
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I were a city dweller I'd still no doubt have a car.
especially as a parent
I'd have one even if I were not a parent.
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Is everyone in this forum married with kids?? You guys should get a big playdate together ;D
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Is everyone in this forum married with kids?? You guys should get a big playdate together ;D
No way...then I'd have to travel outside of my comfort zone into shitholes like DC, MD, Springfield....
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might require a car so i'm out
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might require boardees to meet up IRL at an agreed time... everyone is out ;D
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No way. People might meet me and think I'm a nice mild mannered guy who keeps his opinions to himself.
Is everyone in this forum married with kids?? You guys should get a big playdate together ;D
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I bet he's a never married (commitment-phobe)
Not a commitment-phobe, but probably poverty-phobe, as he rightfully should be. Ever been through a divorce? Of course not, that'll NEVER happen to you.
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But I like road trips and self-reliance
How does owning a car have anything to do with self-reliance?
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But I like road trips and self-reliance
How does owning a car have anything to do with self-reliance?
Meaning I don't have to rely on Greyhound, Metro, Airlines, Amtrak, friends or family to get me where I want to go when I want to go there.
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Is everyone in this forum married with kids?? You guys should get a big playdate together ;D
kid on its way in two weeks ;D
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hoya - congrats! i didn't know. what an adventure you're up for :)
Is everyone in this forum married with kids?? You guys should get a big playdate together ;D
i'm married and living in the 'burbs - but no kids.
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How does owning a car have anything to do with self-reliance?
Meaning I don't have to rely on Greyhound, Metro, Airlines, Amtrak, friends or family to get me where I want to go when I want to go there.
Cool. I don't rely on any of those listed either to get where I want to go when I want to go there. Isn't that great?
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How does owning a car have anything to do with self-reliance?
Meaning I don't have to rely on Greyhound, Metro, Airlines, Amtrak, friends or family to get me where I want to go when I want to go there.
Cool. I don't rely on any of those listed either to get where I want to go when I want to go there. Isn't that great?
Yes, that is great. Just as for me, having a car is great.
Nip at somebody else's heels if you want to start an argument, Toto.
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You still haven't answered my question: How does owning a car have anything to do with self-reliance? I already debunked your answers.
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You still haven't answered my question: How does owning a car have anything to do with self-reliance? I already debunked your answers.
You are hilarious, and in this instance, quite dense. Obviously explaining to you how owning an automobile affords me a level of flexibility, spontaneity, convenience and independence (ie self-reliance) that I would otherwise not have, is a waste of breath. So I will not even attempt to explain it any further.
Really, I'm glad for you that you happily manage without a car. One less car in the world is a good thing.
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now we know why . . . no more tailgaiting at jiffy lube.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43095099
not so great is it now, relaxer?
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now we know why . . . no more tailgaiting at jiffy lube.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43095099
not so great is it now, relaxer?
is this why?
makes no sense...one kid dies at home cause he pounded back a couple of blackouts and i cant enjoy a few tecates with my jalapeno chips and olives before a show?
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The kid was 15 and clearly a wiener who couldn't handle his 4loko. That's not the drink's fault. If anything, 4loko is the real victim here. Besides, the days of awesome 4loko are over. All you can get now is the stuff that doesn't have caffeine (which is why I have a bunch of OG loko in my fridge -- don't touch them, my children!) and if we're going to allow suits of 4loko because it's 12% alcohol, I shudder for my friends in the vodka and rum industries.
I also assume that they will be suing Toyota, as the car that struck him was a Tercel. BAN JAPANESE IMPORTED CARS BECAUSE DIPSHIT DRUNK MINORS MIGHT RUN IN FRONT OF THEM.
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?He and several classmates had wanted to ?tailgate? for about three hours before the concert, but I insisted that he cut that back to one hour,? said Karla Rupp, Bo's mother. ?I figured, ?What could happen in an hour?? Well, it turns out a lot can happen in an hour."
truer words....
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Hell, I went from a footloose and fancy-free bachelor to a baby-daddy with a wife and a mortgage in the span of about, oh, 3 seconds.
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Hell, I went from a footloose and fancy-free bachelor to a baby-daddy with a wife and a mortgage in the span of about, oh, 3 seconds.
much to the disappointment of the future mrs. relaxer.
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"Get used to it honey! oh! oh! oh! zzzzzzzzzzzz"
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hoya - congrats! i didn't know. what an adventure you're up for :)
Is everyone in this forum married with kids?? You guys should get a big playdate together ;D
i'm married and living in the 'burbs - but no kids.
thanks!
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This is one of those threads I knew was heading into awesomeness so I saved it until today's marathon conference call.
Thanks for the entertainment.
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I think what makes Rhett (that's who James Ford is, right?) a douche is that he actually thinks it's interesting to people that he lives near a Starbucks, in an ethnic diverse neighborhood, where he could walk places if he chose.
He's also a douche for making huge assumptions about other people based entirely on his prejudices.
He's also kind of a douche for habitually walking out of shows before they're over. Sure, on one hand who cares what other people are doing... on the other hand, the DC metro area is the only place in the country where people do that en masse, and it's part of the reason for our overblown reputation as a region of aholes. The best shows depend on positive feedback between an audience and a band, and it can't be good for the musicians to see 1/4 of the audience leaving in the last half of the set.
Plus at a sold out show Rhett's wasting a ticket that someone who actually enjoys the music and isn't just there to check a box could've used.
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Rhett just acts like his lifestyle choices are better than others because he's a bored government worker and suburban homeowner and can entertain himself by getting everyone on the board into a tizzy.
Doktor Douche, on the other hand, appears to sincerely believe in his own superiority.
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It's kind of presumptous of you to think that I walk out early on all rock shows. I said I've left (a song or two, not half the set) early from shed shows. For me, I can count the number of shed shows I've been to in the last 20 years on one hand. Whereas the number of club shows is probably in the 300 range.All of which I've stayed until the end, except for the occasional sucky shoe that deserved to be walked out of.
I can't believe I'm spending part of my dogwalking time actually responding to you.
But anyway, I look at it this way. As the paying customer, I'm entitled to come and go as I please.
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Gotta admit it's kind of funny how much people dislike each other on this board.
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Back-handed compliment or not...that's still the nicest thing you've ever said about Rhett on this board. Makes me all misty eyed to see us coming together like this...
Rhett just acts like his lifestyle choices are better than others because he's a bored government worker and suburban homeowner and can entertain himself by getting everyone on the board into a tizzy.
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Rhett just acts like his lifestyle choices are better than others because he's a bored government worker and suburban homeowner and can entertain himself by getting everyone on the board into a tizzy.
Doktor Douche, on the other hand, appears to sincerely believe in his own superiority.
thank you for your observations... I must admit I've never really taken notice of you in any capacity so I don't have anything to respond with.
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yes indeed
http://dyepics.blogspot.com/2010/01/love-warthur-lee-state-theatre-falls.html (http://dyepics.blogspot.com/2010/01/love-warthur-lee-state-theatre-falls.html)
http://dyepics.blogspot.com/2010/01/few-more.html (http://dyepics.blogspot.com/2010/01/few-more.html)
http://dyepics.blogspot.com/2010/01/thats-incredible-mike-randle-on-guitar.html (http://dyepics.blogspot.com/2010/01/thats-incredible-mike-randle-on-guitar.html)
Love totally killed at this show indeed. Colin can still sing, but yeah Argent is a TOOL!
saw this tour in the west....Arthur Lee was in top form. The Zombies, not too much (and Argent had big boobs....)
what was the last good show that was booked at the State Theater...hmmm
Arthur Lee opening for The Zombies!
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ggw was pretty spot on in his assessment of me, I must say.
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Rhett just acts like his lifestyle choices are better than others because he's a bored government worker and suburban homeowner and can entertain himself by getting everyone on the board into a tizzy.
ah, good observation. as any bully or 10-year-old brat will tell you, it's pretty easy to hide behind the "i was just kidding"/"i was fishing for a reaction" excuse. can make for a great back-peddling strategy too.
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Gotta admit it's kind of funny how much people dislike each other on this board.
this
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Maybe the next forum event should be a dunk tank for charity at Freefest. I'd sure like to drop EvilSanta in it a few times.
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Maybe the next forum event should be a dunk tank for charity at Freefest. I'd sure like to drop EvilSanta in it a few times.
i'm shooting for relaxer . . . i bet he's all hot and bothersome in a wet, skin tight shirt.
meooow.
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(http://community.travelchinaguide.com/photo/9070/90706030216305.jpg)
Relaxer: Stick this cat in your lol!
Walkonby: BITCH PLEASE
Relaxer: You think you cute?!? YOU AINT!
Walkonby: Where is the love to be found on this gentle plain I don't even know what time is it because its a question.
Relaxer: unh unh unh
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Note to self: Be careful what one asks for.
First rule will be of course no Moderators will be involved. Someone has to collect the money :)
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Gotta admit it's kind of funny how much people dislike each other on this board.
Are you like new to this whole bbs thing?
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I guess what I meant is that it's funny how everyone on this board is fighting right now. It's kinda sexy/horny.
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So no, I'm not like new to this whole bbs thing becuz like ohmahgod 4rlz u r a mountn douche lol lez kiss
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bbs? what, is it 1995 all of a sudden? rockin' at 28.8 over here... check out the baud on that one! etc etc.
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Ohhhhh, see I thought he was referring to big bottomed squirrels. Now my boner doesn't know what to think!
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did u mean BBC? (for walkonby...)
So no, I'm not like new to this whole bbs thing becuz like ohmahgod 4rlz u r a mountn douche lol lez kiss
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no, he meant BBW (for rhett)
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Oh I thought he meant
(http://7.media.tumblr.com/dMRnBANbqivq7mk5xspBddlSo1_500.jpg)
Which means you have to disregard my earlier post where I made mention of a different theory.
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bbs? what, is it 1995 all of a sudden? rockin' at 28.8 over here... check out the baud on that one! etc etc.
Are you kidding me? I'm still rocking Prodigy.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-state-of-nova/post/jiffy-lube-live-why-not-live-nation-disaster-hole/2011/05/25/AGWb9RBH_blog.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-state-of-nova/post/jiffy-lube-live-why-not-live-nation-disaster-hole/2011/05/25/AGWb9RBH_blog.html)
I do like "The Lube", but "Live Nation Disaster Hole" has a certain ring to it.
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Pretty sure Lindsey Lohan has that name trademarked for her eventual forray into professional mud wrestling.
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jiffy lube sucks so bad...i may never go back....
and if a tornado was to destroy it to shit - I wouldn't miss for the world. The parking, or the lackthereof is just painful
sucks that IDENTITY fest is there, that should have been over at the DC Armory
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New and Lubier Policies for 2011:
No Tailgating!!!
Parking Lots Won't Open until 1 Hour Before Show!!!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/jiffy-lube-live-bans-tailgating/2011/05/16/AFaL9C5G_story.html
Jiffy Lube Live lifts tailgating ban
The tailgaters won.
Jiffy Lube Live, the 25,000-capacity concert venue in Bristow said Wednesday that it is lifting the tailgate ban it enacted last year, a decision that irritated concert-goers who ventured to see performances from Jimmy Buffett, Lil Wayne, Stevie Nicks, Kid Rock and others in 2011.
Jiffy Lube Live, which is owned and operated by concert promotion colossus Live Nation, says that the decision was inspired by their patrons? unhappiness over the ban.
?Fan feedback is critical to help improve our operations and create the best possible concert experience for our fans,? Matt Rogers, the venue?s general manager, said in an email. ?The decision was made after listening to our fans and doing our due diligence.?
Rogers says that meant researching the tailgating policies of more than 30 sports arenas and concert venues across the country to find out what works and what doesn?t.
?With the new policy and guidelines, we want nothing more than to work with our fans to create a safe and friendly ?pre-concert? environment,? he said.
So here are the rules. Grills will now be allowed. Tents and canopies will still be forbidden. Driving aisles must be kept clear of chairs and tables. And members of the Prince William County police, the Virginia Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control and Jiffy Lube Live staff will continue to enforce a ban on open alcohol containers in the parking lot. Underage drinking will also be targeted aggressively, Rogers said.
?Jiffy Lube [live] coordinated with us in making this policy change and we feel that their operational plan will create a safe and manageable environment in the parking lot,? said Maj. Stephen Hudson, Assistant Chief of the Prince William County police in an email.
Jiffy Lube Live would not share its attendance figures for 2010 and 2011, but with the struggling economy continuing to erode the concert biz summer after summer, the venue has good reason to be sensitive to fan feedback.
Pollstar, the concert industry?s leading trade publication, says that the 25 top grossing tours to zig-zag across North America slipped four percent in 2011, from $1.24 billion to $1.19 billion. That was bad news for Live Nation, the largest concert promoter on that planet.
And while this frosty January weather makes the upcoming concert season feel far, far away, Jiffy Lube Live expects to begin announcing this summer?s bookings as early as next month.
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For complete details on Jiffy Lube Live?s new tailgating policy, visit www.livenation.com/jlltailgating
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/click-track/post/jiffy-lube-live-lifts-tailgating-ban/2012/01/04/gIQAeGj9aP_blog.html
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sweet! I CAN END my boycott..didn't go to any shows there last year.
we'll see if they get one show i care about this year...
i'd expect tom petty but i've seen him there twice so not going to do it..
KISS ? not sure they'll tour the US this year...
Black Sabbath? maybe....
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one thing people are suspicious of: last year, they waited until most shows were already on sale (i.e. most tickets already sold during initial rush) before announcing the no-tailgaiting policy. let's hope they're not stupid enough to pull that move again.
black sabbath might be enough to get me back there. maybe. but the whole tailgaiting thing last year was a symptom of the suck, not its cause.
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first three shows
phish
widespread
furthur / with moe / with bob weir acoustic solo
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one thing people are suspicious of: last year, they waited until most shows were already on sale (i.e. most tickets already sold during initial rush) before announcing the no-tailgaiting policy. let's hope they're not stupid enough to pull that move again.
oh they are, are they? You been taking the "pulse" since this change was announced a few hours ago?! what else are "people" saying?
obviously they are announcing this change for the upcoming season so they're no going to change the policy back again.. now if a couple of people drop dead from alcohol poisoning or crash into trees on the side of the road on their way home, well then they may just change...
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first three shows
phish
widespread
furthur / with moe / with bob weir acoustic solo
For awhile, this is going to look like an 'occupy the Lube' moment. ;D
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one thing people are suspicious of: last year, they waited until most shows were already on sale (i.e. most tickets already sold during initial rush) before announcing the no-tailgaiting policy. let's hope they're not stupid enough to pull that move again.
oh they are, are they? You been taking the "pulse" since this change was announced a few hours ago?! what else are "people" saying?
the change was announced early yesterday (wednesday), so it's had 36 hours to generate a public response (hint: just because it's news to you doesn't mean it's new). multiple blogs and a least one facebook group (that i'm aware of) have been covering this and lots of comments have been made. but way to "come across" as "ignorant" and a "dick".
definitely agree with you that as soon as an attendee wraps him/herself around a tree, the ban will be back.
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one thing people are suspicious of: last year, they waited until most shows were already on sale (i.e. most tickets already sold during initial rush) before announcing the no-tailgaiting policy. let's hope they're not stupid enough to pull that move again.
oh they are, are they? You been taking the "pulse" since this change was announced a few hours ago?! what else are "people" saying?
the change was announced early yesterday (wednesday), so it's had 36 hours to generate a public response (hint: just because it's news to you doesn't mean it's new). multiple blogs and a least one facebook group (that i'm aware of) have been covering this and lots of comments have been made. but way to "come across" as "ignorant" and a "dick".
definitely agree with you that as soon as an attendee wraps him/herself around a tree, the ban will be back.
yeah i guess there's lots of idiots out there.. the idea that they are going to announce this change, sell tickets and then change the policy again is laughable.
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though "jiffy lube live" is a horrible name for a place to see a concert . . . is it any worse than:
1-800-ASK-GARY amphitheatre - tampa
sleep country amphitheater - portland
quicken loans arena - cleveland
taco bell arena - boise
superpages.com center - dallas
dunkin donuts center - providence
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Welcome to the KFC Yum! Center
http://www.kfcyumcenter.com/
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America's 9 Worst Music Venue Names: When Shoddy Sponsorship Deals Embarrass an Entire City
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/uponsun/2011/03/americas_worst_venue_names_whe.php
my pick: "Comfort Dental Ampitheatre".
Welcome to the KFC Yum! Center
http://www.kfcyumcenter.com/
as a fan of the UK Wildcats who play at the infinitely better-named Rupp Arena, the missus takes endless joy in pointing out the tackiness of her in-state rivals.
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infinitely better-named Rupp Arena
Yeah, naming arenas after avowed racists is always fresh.
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The Dunkin Donuts Center is fine!
I am a huge Providence basketball fan and we call it The Dunk. What's better than that?
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We also have Farm Bureau Live down here in Va Beach.
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Black Sabbath is the only group that could make me go back to the Lube.
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Black Sabbath is the only group that could make me go back to the Lube.
Don't think that will be happening.
http://www.jambase.com/Articles/56324/Tony-Iommi-Diagnosed-with-Lymphoma
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Just got an email announcing their summer season but what I found interesting were some changes like no more plastic straws, recycling stations, water bottle filling stations, the reserved lawn seats and even some new food options like questlove impossible meat sandwich
They are obviously trying to up their game a bit
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say most people heading to the lube will not be interested in the vegan burger.
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I think the idea is to try to appeal to people who have written the place off....
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Not sure if the vegan diet options will get people to drive an hour out of the city to see Journey.
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Non plastic straw?
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Top Chef’s Art Smith brings Art Bird Buttermilk chicken!
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Not sure if the vegan diet options will get people to drive an hour out of the city to see Journey.
I think your point might be better made that the people who are willing to drive an hour away to see Journey do not overlap significantly with people who would purchase the Impossible burger (which is tasty and highly Julian-recommended).
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DogHaus Famous dogs, sausages and burgers?!?