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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
« Reply #270 on: October 15, 2004, 03:03:00 pm »
i'm off to see John Edwards, No Loyaly oath or eassy required...
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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
« Reply #271 on: October 17, 2004, 01:59:00 am »
The whole time I watched this, I thought for sure that something was going to happen to the people walking down the pathway, like getting bitten by that rabid squirrel that ran by.
 
 
 
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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
« Reply #272 on: October 18, 2004, 09:20:00 am »
Every time I see a picture of W, he's wearing pleated pants. PLEATED PANTS! Talk about being "out of touch"!

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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
« Reply #273 on: October 19, 2004, 11:06:00 am »
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  I've said that I'm not at all satisfied with the way Bush has run the war.  I think he should have listened more to Powell (If you go in, do it with overwhelming force) and less to Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz (We can get this done quickly and cheaply).
 
 But on the issue of Iraq possessing WMD, I don't think one can say Bush was mistaken unless one also says Kerry was mistaken, Al Gore was mistaken, Hillary Clinton was mistaken, the United Kingdom was mistaken, Russia was mistaken, Germany was mistaken, etc....
 
 The disagreement wasn't about whether Iraq had the capacity for building weapons. The disagreement between the U.S. and other nations was whether a military solution was warranted or whether inspections would keep him in check.
   
 I don't think there is evidence that he "manipulated" information.  Did he "spin" it?  Sure. I think the chances that Bush faked intelligence or suppressed contrary evidence so successfully that he not only fooled his domestic opposition but many foreign intelligence agencies also, to be highly, highly unlikely.
 
 The Clinton Administration believed that Iraq still had the capacity to build WMD.  As did non-US intelligence sources.  If you want to criticize everybody for being wrong on the intelligence that's entirely fair.  However, the practice seems to be to blame "Bush" alone.  If you want to blame Bush for being too aggressive or for not giving inspections more of achance, that's fair also.  But this whole "Bush lied about WMD" is a sham.  
 
 I could find several other things on which to criticize Bush.  The "Bush Doctrine" for instance, may well be the stupidest foreign policy ever enacted.  As Kerry pointed out, the U.S. always reserved the right to act alone and strike first if we felt it was necessary.  There was no need to put it down in writing and piss people off.
 
 I also think Bush has been spending too much money.  However, I chalk that up to first-term campaigning.  If he were to be elected to a second term (which I find highly unlikely) spending would come way down.
 
   
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 ggw, have you ever criticized Bush on this board or admitted that he might have been mistaken? Even The Economist has been critical of Bush (even though they supported him at the beginning). You should at least admit that there is a chance that this people were so eager to go to war against Saddam that they might have manipulated information to make the case. You deny this? Don't you see a chance that this might have happened?
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Not that I believe on all these neoconservative conspiracies, I don't have enough information (although I am inclined to think that Bush is influenced by a group of far-right people). I think they might have manipulated information, I recall that issue over the leak regarding a CIA undercover official or somehthing like this, which was related to some flawed information about some nuclear stuff being shipped to somewhere in Africa (Nigeria, Niger? don't remember the country). Anyway, I believe that more than 1,000 American troops have been killed in Irak and up to 10,000 or 15,000 Irakis by some estimates have been killed in a war where all the arguments to go to war have proved to be wrong. I believe all these deaths due to wrong beliefs of WMD or wrong links with Al-Qaida require some resignations, to me Bush should resign because he took the risk to go to war and not only those arguments were wrong, but he has made the world more dangerous than it was before September 11 (although someone could argue that the world is safer now, I don't have data to back up my argument that we live in a more unsecure world than before September 11), I just think there should be an investigation to see if the Bush administration manipulated information, I think that the analysis done by that 9/11 commission was not enough, there should be responsabilities.
 
 By the way, the thing I like the least about this Republican Party? this "Compassionate conservatism" that they claim, I hate this term, I think Bush can be anything but compassionate. And the reference in the last debate that Bush felt that people pray for him, that made me think that this guy is just crazy.

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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
« Reply #274 on: October 19, 2004, 11:57:00 am »
Sinclair Broadcasting stock is still getting pounded... The company is carrying a huge debt in order to buy all those TV stations, and making marginal profit to support that debt.  And now it's going to get hit with a stockholders lawsuit regarding insider trading.  and yes i've become addicted to dailykos.com
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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
« Reply #275 on: October 19, 2004, 12:24:00 pm »
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« Reply #276 on: October 19, 2004, 12:29:00 pm »
kos, atrios, pandagon, tpm - they're all great!
 
 
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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
« Reply #277 on: October 19, 2004, 01:37:00 pm »
From the W. Post:
 
 Sinclair Fires Critic of Plan to Broadcast Anti-Kerry Film
 By Howard Kurtz, Page C01
 
 The Washington bureau chief of Sinclair Broadcast Group was fired yesterday after accusing the media company of "indefensible" conduct for planning to air a movie attacking Sen. John Kerry's Vietnam record in the coming days.

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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
« Reply #278 on: October 19, 2004, 01:45:00 pm »
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« Reply #279 on: October 19, 2004, 04:04:00 pm »
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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
« Reply #280 on: October 19, 2004, 04:44:00 pm »
So lets see the Sinclair stock continues to slide, which appears to be hurting thier own since a signficant amount is owned by company official.
 
 The NY State Comptroller and manager of the Pension fund has sent a letter to Sinclair.  Turning the heat up a bit.
 
 Sinclair has fired back claiming that everything was based on misrepresentation blah blah blah...
 
 http://sbgweb2.sbgnet.com/press/release_20041019_87.shtml
 
 
 But I find this a bit rich coming from them.  :roll:  
 
 Mr. Smith further stated, "We cannot in a  free  America  yield  to  the
 misguided attempts by a small but vocal minority to influence  behavior  and
 trample on the First Amendment rights of those  with  whom  they  might  not
 agree.
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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
« Reply #281 on: October 20, 2004, 12:29:00 pm »
nothing new...just entertaining to read (if you believe a certain way):
 
 JOCK POLITICS
 
 Who is the most popular person at your school? Is it the smartest person at your
 school ?? the President of the Math Club or the Vice President of the Science
 Club or is it the quarterback or the captain of the football team?
 
 In watching the third and final debate between the presidential candidates, I
 want to encourage you to take a hard look, or in this case, a hard listen at
 what is actually being said. In the past two debates, one has laid out fact
 after fact to explain, as best he can, the issue at hand. Albeit, some of these
 facts were embellished, even misquoted in the heat of a campaign, as it??s been
 pointed out by non-partisan fact checking pundits, but 90% of his explanations
 actually refer back to DATA that he puts forth into the conversation.
 
 In rebuttal, the other candidate will answer most of the time with a ??that??s
 just wrong? or ??that won??t work, it just won??t? or a bag full of one liner
 clichés written by a campaign manager with no further facts to back up his
 opinion. This is what I refer to as a ??pep rally candidate? ?? and I hope I??ve
 just coined that term.
 
 This is a candidate who will scare you, inspire you, rally you, make you laugh,
 put down his opponent in no uncertain terms, and in the end have passed on to
 you absolutely nothing of substance ?? no new data, no new information to
 REASSURE you that what he just said was in fact a fact. This is a simple "go
 team", wave your flag campaign and guess what ?? it??ll win this election if you
 don??t start listening.
 
 Think back to the last pep rally you were at. Your coach or the captain of the
 football team came out and gave a speech to the student body. Did they tell you
 how they were going to defeat the other team on Friday night? Did they go into
 detail about how your offensive linemen out weigh the other offensive linemen by
 25 pounds, and that your running back can run the mile 2.7 seconds faster than
 the other teams? Or did they just stand there, and tell you how great you were,
 how proud you should be to go to the school you??re at, what a great bunch of
 young men your team has and that ??they??re working hard every day? to bring home
 a win, and they??re going to bring home that win - you can count on it? How did
 you feel after that speech while everyone was standing on their feet applauding?
 Were you inspired? Did you trust that they were going to bring home that win
 Friday night?
 
 Do we as a country elect people of presidential standards or are we captivated
 by this grand illusion? There??s a political party out there that knows how to
 campaign like nobody??s business. If you??ve got a question, then they have a flat
 out yes or no answer for you; that??s how they see things ?? yes or no ?? black and
 white, and again, it works for them because people understand that language. But
 I??m asking you to listen a little harder, ask the NEXT question, and see if
 their answer still fits.
 
 You??ll find out in years to come the world isn??t made up of yes and no, black
 and white. Campaigns are made to simplify the issues down to bullet points so
 voters can take it all in. Don??t let them simplify you; the world and the issues
 in this campaign are far more complex than some candidates would have you
 believe. These issues deserve better than a ??yes or no?; ??you agree with me or
 you don??t?; ??it??s us versus them?; and ??we??re going to win it on Friday night?.
 Just listen.
 
 
 By Pepper Berry of Bobot Adrenaline
 http://www.bobotadrenaline.com

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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
« Reply #283 on: October 21, 2004, 12:55:00 pm »
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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
« Reply #284 on: October 21, 2004, 07:44:00 pm »
The could be a little house cleaning go on over at  The White House
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