Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever

[chaz]

Originally posted by Arthwys:
  I think i'm gonna do a bit of research on this....

Arthwys...Son of GGW.

[ratioci nation]

Originally posted by econo:
 
 
 I won't be voting Nader because I don't think he'd make a very good president.  Last time I saw him as a decent man, and voted for him because I believed it was the right thing to do.  Morals are one thing, and a very good thing, but that's not the only aspect of a leader.
 

that is pretty much my same reasoning on why I wont be voting for him this time and why I did vote for him last time, not that either of our votes matter as DC residents

[ggw]

Just because the criticism isn't new does not mean it is valid.
 
 

Originally posted by pollard:
  Its hardly a new criticism that the Iraq war smacks of Empire building.  If you were one to believe the U.S. is occupying Iraq, then you are probably one who could believe it is empire building
 
 empire - a group of countries ruled by just one of them

[grotty]

Originally posted by pollard:
  Its hardly a new criticism that the Iraq war smacks of Empire building.  If you were one to believe the U.S. is occupying Iraq, then you are probably one who could believe it is empire building
 
 empire - a group of countries ruled by just one of them

All we hear about is the cost of the Iraqi war in terms of $$ and American lives, but the real 'cost' of this war and the way it's being managed won't be felt for years. Not until an entire generation of American-hating militant-leaning Middle Easterners come of age.
 
 Bush will be long gone by then though. Someone else can deal with that mess.   :roll:

[ratioci nation]

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  Just because the criticism isn't new does not mean it is valid.
 
 

I was not saying it was valid, your response seemed like one of surprise that the idea was even there

[ggw]

Testify brother.
 
 Thirsty is a closet Republican.
 
 

Originally posted by econo:
 To further make you all think I'm a loon, I believe government should be far more local than it already is.  Put more trust in States, hell, Counties even.    
 

[grotty]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  theocratic beliefs?  

<img src="http://www.allhatnocattle.net/name%20that2.jpg" alt=" - " />
 
 
 The Bush Theocracy
 
 By Beto Segovia
 
 America's president, George W. Bush, God bless him and God help the world, talks with God before he makes important decisions. Needless to say, based on his record, he doesn't fully understands the Divine.  What he does understand, however, is fundamentalist Christianity. In Houston, at a recent interview, he stated that the doors of Heaven are only open to those who accept Jesus Christ, Christianity, as their religion. So much for Muslims, Hindus, Jews and, of course, the agnostics.
 
 The Republican party is now infested with the descendants of the KKK who inhabit the bible belt along the southern states of America. Christian right fundamentalists - Robertson, Buchanan, Ashcroft - regardless of their actual residence are the controlling leadership of the Republican party. By capturing and controlling the party they have set the road map that guides the Republican platform, which is essentially, anti-abortion, anti-stem research, anti same couple unions ... anti United Nations, pro imperialistic, pro unilateral international policies ... additionally, supremacy of government over its citizens.
 
 The Christian right Republican party has become a theocracy with Bush as its 'Pope' and Ashcroft as its enforcer. Not much unlike the regimes that the 'Pope' is seeking to replace. Preaching Christianity, democracy and patriotism to camouflage the invasion of human rights and civil liberties, unwarranted military intervention and civilian casualties, the theocracy sells its agenda to the gullible, trusting American who regrettably is guided by bullet sounds, slogans and the appeal to God and Country.
 
 What is most perplexing about the new Republican Party is its dramatic departure from the policies and values that were the linchpin of the faithful: States rights, individual rights and liberties, separation of church and state, non-intervention in foreign entanglements, limitation of Federal government interference with the states and citizens ... The Theocracy now wants to override the Constitutional right of the States to legislate on internal welfare issues, such as same sex unions; wants to invade the right of its citizens to decide on issues such as abortion by imposing government moral values on the individual, is funding 'faith' based groups to implement the above and to form political cells to support the theocracy and its candidates.
 
 It's a sorry state of affairs for the once noble Republican Party. But worse, it's a calamity to Americans and the international community. God help us!

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by grotty:
 but the real 'cost' of this war and the way it's being managed won't be felt for years. Not until an entire generation of American-hating militant-leaning Middle Easterners come of age.
 
 Bush will be long gone by then though. Someone else can deal with that mess.    :roll:  

applause applause applause

[ggw]

Markie is usually a bit smarter than the average person who trots out the empire accusation.  The surprise is that he would make it.  I hoped he would explain the thought process behind that belief.
 
 

Originally posted by pollard:
   

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  Just because the criticism isn't new does not mean it is valid.
 
 

I was not saying it was valid, your response seemed like one of surprise that the idea was even there [/b]

[ggw]

Right.  Because before Bush took office, we were all sitting around sharing the hooka and singing Kumbayaa.
 
 World Trade Center 1993
 African Embassies 1998
 Khobar Towers 1996
 
 
 

Originally posted by grotty:
 All we hear about is the cost of the Iraqi war in terms of $$ and American lives, but the real 'cost' of this war and the way it's being managed won't be felt for years. Not until an entire generation of American-hating militant-leaning Middle Easterners come of age.
 
 Bush will be long gone by then though. Someone else can deal with that mess.    :roll:  

[thirsty moore]

That was just my stump speech.  I'll be shaking hands outside of the Au Bon Pain later on to rake in some liberals.
 
 

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  Testify brother.
 
 Thirsty is a closet Republican.

[chaz]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  I find it hard to believe there are Republicans who are actually into indie rock.

I find it even harder to believe that there are Democrats who are into country music.  

[ratioci nation]

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  Markie is usually a bit smarter than the average person who trots out the empire accusation.  The surprise is that he would make it.  I hoped he would explain the thought process behind that belief.
 

well i wont speak for Markie, but even just by looking at it from the point of view of a non-american who does not support the war, the US went in to a nation and toppled its government with little support from the rest of the world and was already wielding influence around the globe with little concern for who it affected, sounds like a little empire in waiting to me, it is not that far of a reach if you already have little respect or trust in the American government

[grotty]

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  Right.  Because before Bush took office, we were all sitting around sharing the hooka and singing Kumbayaa.
 
 World Trade Center 1993
 African Embassies 1998
 Khobar Towers 1996
 
 
   

Originally posted by grotty:
 All we hear about is the cost of the Iraqi war in terms of $$ and American lives, but the real 'cost' of this war and the way it's being managed won't be felt for years. Not until an entire generation of American-hating militant-leaning Middle Easterners come of age.
 
 Bush will be long gone by then though. Someone else can deal with that mess.     :roll:  

[/b]

Good point, but I think - "You ain't seen nothin' yet."

[thirsty moore]

Sharing meth with Fundamentalists singing BTO?  Wow!
 
 

Originally posted by grotty:
 Good point, but I think - "You ain't seen nothin' yet."