Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever

[thirsty moore]

If I were Markie, I'd be worried more about England jumping in with us.
 
 

Originally posted by pollard:
 well i wont speak for Markie, but even just by looking at it from the point of view of a non-american who does not support the war, the US went in to a nation and toppled its government with little support from the rest of the world and was already wielding influence around the globe with little concern for who it affected, sounds like a little empire in waiting to me, it is not that far of a reach if you already have little respect or trust in the American government

[ratioci nation]

Originally posted by econo:
  If I were Markie, I'd be worried more about England jumping in with us.
 
 

I am sure he is

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by pollard:
 well i wont speak for Markie, but even just by looking at it from the point of view of a non-american who does not support the war, the US went in to a nation and toppled its government with little support from the rest of the world and was already wielding influence around the globe with little concern for who it affected, sounds like a little empire in waiting to me, it is not that far of a reach if you already have little respect or trust in the American government

i dont see why you have to be non-american to think that way.  
 
    i was talking to a doodle friend of mine about this the other day, and he was saying that america was better than everyone else.  and i said..."why do you feel the need to say you are 'better' than someone else" and it seems like a common train of thought for people here.

[ratioci nation]

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  i dont see why you have to be non-american to think that way.  
 

you don't, was just saying it would be easier for a non-american to come to that conclusion, growing up as an American, or really just in America, you are told again and again to believe certain things about America, the same way a person who grows up in a religious family is more likely to believe in god

[ggw]

I love the fact that people accuse the Republicans of being in the KKK, even though the only man to hold KKK membership and currently be in the Congress is Robert Byrd - Democrat.
 
 

Originally posted by grotty:
  The Republican party is now infested with the descendants of the KKK who inhabit the bible belt along the southern states of America.

[Arthwys]

Whoo, just what I need, more reasons to be completely convinced that we're screwed no matter what.  It was a good article, and the bit at the end about lack of choice is telling.  I'm mostly republican due to my opinion that "conservative, responsible spending" is the best way to go.  That and less tax, hence more consumer spending power.  Basic stuff, yet is any of it really working?  Even if the republican party isn't working the way it should anymore, I sure as heck can't join the democrats.  So who all is running away to Canada? I may join you!   :cool:

[Arthwys]

Whoo, just what I need, more reasons to be completely convinced that we're screwed no matter what.  It was a good article, and the bit at the end about lack of choice is telling.  I'm mostly republican due to my opinion that "conservative, responsible spending" is the best way to go.  That and less tax, hence more consumer spending power.  Basic stuff, yet is any of it really working?  Even if the republican party isn't working the way it should anymore, I sure as heck can't join the democrats.  So who all is running away to Canada? I may join you!   :cool:

[Arthwys]

geeze! i actually have to do some work for 20 minutes or so and i'm already a full page behind in this thread!

[markie]

Ok, thanks for Pollard, in trying to answer in my lunch-break.
 
 I think that going into Iraq and not planning on leaving could be considered building an empire. Kerry plans on leaving, I dont really think Bush does. Hence no exit strategy....?
 
 This election could be fought on much worse battlegrounds.
 
 Personally I dont care if they want to build an empire. I wish they would be more upfront about it.
 
 As for Tony, well when Bush said last night (to paraphrase) " We have many great allies, including, umm, errr, umm,errr, Tony Blair" I really wished Tony would have his heart attack right at that point.

[ggw]

The biggest Republican complaint about Clinton's plan to go into Kosovo was that he "didn't have an exit strategy."
 
 It's a political ploy.  If you set a timetable, you are open to criticism that you are tying yourself to a schedule rather than to accomplishing the task.  If you say "we'll stay until the job is done" then you open yourself up to accusations that you lack an exit strategy.
 
 

Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
  I think that going into Iraq and not planning on leaving could be considered building an empire. Kerry plans on leaving, I dont really think Bush does. Hence no exit strategy....?
 

[grotty]

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  I love the fact that people accuse the Republicans of being in the KKK, even though the only man to hold KKK membership and currently be in the Congress is Robert Byrd - Democrat.
 
   

Originally posted by grotty:
  The Republican party is now infested with the descendants of the KKK who inhabit the bible belt along the southern states of America.

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I don't think he meant KKK literally - just as a point of reference demonstrating a starting point for an evolution of principles.
 
 Either way - I don't necessarily agree with the article. I just found it humorous and extremist.

[markie]

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  The biggest Republican complaint about Clinton's plan to go into Kosovo was that he "didn't have an exit strategy."
 
 
 

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 Sure, but I think you can have a strategy without a timetable. Planning on setting up permanent military camps didn'y sound like much of an exit to me. I think Kerry made that point last night.

[ggw]

Don't get suckered in by politico-speak.  
 
 Here's what Kerry said:
 
 As I understand it, we're building some 14 military bases there now, and some people say they've got a rather permanent concept to them.
 
 
 Notice that Kerry is not saying that this is a fact.  He's simply saying that "some people say" that the bases might be construed as possibly maybe being permanent.
 
 Kerry gets triple bonus debate points for successfully planting the "permanent" idea in people's heads without actually coming out and saying that they are permanent.
 
 

Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
   

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  The biggest Republican complaint about Clinton's plan to go into Kosovo was that he "didn't have an exit strategy."
 
 
 

Sure, but I think you can have a strategy without a timetable. Planning on setting up permanent military camps didn'y sound like much of an exit to me. I think Kerry made that point last night. [/b]

[Sir HC]

Check out the Post's truth squad with transcript of the debate.
 
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/debatereferee/debate_0930.html
 
 Turns out China has *wanted* the US to do bilateral talks with N. Korea but Bush won't.  Many other topics here are amply covered there.
 
 Needless to say, Bush looked like a twit.  When he begged for a rebuttal time and then spent the first 10 seconds just stammering (you would have thought that he would have composed a rebuttal during the time and be ready to state it at the start of his time) it made me think of the 7 minutes in Florida on 9/11.
 
 Best line from Bush:
 
 "That wasn't going to work. That's kind of a pre-September 10th mentality"
 
 He got the friggin' date wrong!

[markie]

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  Don't get suckered in by politico-speak.  
 
 .

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 I remember at the start of the war they war drawing up plans for America's largest foreign land base that would reside permanently in Iraq.
 
 I thought it disturbing at the time.
 
 As for the 14 bases, is that true? I have no idea if there are that many or about their permenance.