The 2020 thread....

[hutch]

I don’t see it like that...they are laying the groundwork for the huge political cost democrats will pay if they win control and eliminate filibuster


Democrats will be accused of being dictatorship

Also these specific senators are saying to their constituents “Don’t abandon me or you will get a liberal dictatorship”


It’s a way of helping their chances..more than whining

The filibuster has a real long history..it’s a big deal if it’s eliminated

[ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl]

The filibuster has a real long history..it’s a big deal if it’s eliminated

I do agree ...but in the last few decades the use has stopped congress from working at all
I'm for getting rid of it now because of the massive obstruction it has caused

Also, I really don't see it becoming a huge political cost democrats will pay at all
It's all about messaging tho...and the Dems suck at it
Thank god for Project Lincoln

[hutch]

Well you are kind of being Captain Obvious and hopping from point to point



You and I may want democrats to eliminate filibuster if they win control of Senate but Americans in the middle not so much and the right wingers will go rabid

We have no choice..we must do it but reality is our odds of winning WH are far greater than winning control of Senate

Also, you trust every democratic Senator to vote to eliminate filibuster? Even Manchin??

You are getting way ahead of yourself for someone that claims not to want to buy into polls


All I am saying is Biden will win..am not yet predicting democrats win Senate..much less 52+ seats

[ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl]

You are getting way ahead of yourself for someone that claims not to want to buy into polls

who said that...I love polls
some of best friends are Polls
I always wanted to be a Poll-Vaulter
I love Bees because they pollinate

[gavroche]

I don’t see it like that...they are laying the groundwork for the huge political cost democrats will pay if they win control and eliminate filibuster
The filibuster has a real long history..it’s a big deal if it’s eliminated

There is NO chance the Dems will eliminate the filibuster.  There aren't 25 votes to get rid of it in the caucus.  Way too scared of what happens when Mitch and company regains the Senate to do it. 

[hutch]

Really!


I think they should or welcome to Obama 2009

[gavroche]

Really!


I think they should or welcome to Obama 2009

I think they should get rid of it too, but the votes aren't there, not even close. Bernie doesn't support eliminating it.  I'd be surprised if there are 10 votes for it in the Dem Caucus (I was being conservative with 25). 

[hutch]

Well Biden has to talk to them and be like “Guys it’s us against fascists and if we don’t do this they won’t let us do anything and in four years we will have either Trump back or Trump Jr”


I saw this very thing play out in Argentina..

[hutch]

124!!!

[hutch]

This doesn’t seem at first glance to support some of what our esteemed boardies have been saying here as gospel

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poll-white-people-most-excited-about-kamala-harris-for-vp-and-most-likely-to-find-elizabeth-warren-unacceptable/ar-BB16fPZG?li=BBnbfcL

[ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl]

Like 2020 already wasn’t totally whacked out
Ye@kanyewest

We must now realize the promise of America by trusting God, unifying our vision and building our future. I am running for president of the United States 🇺🇸! #2020VISION

[hutch]

Yeezus

[ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl]

I'd be happier if TayTay announced...but we got a new contender  (I mean, let's not forget it's too late to be on most state ballots)
Paris Hilton @ParisHilton
PARIS FOR PRESIDENT

Would it be possible to win the presidency as a write-in?  asking for a friend

[hutch]

From what I read it’s not at all too late to be on most ballots and he has time to get on ballot in pretty much every state

Just to take it seriously for a second, Kanye would only cost Biden votes..

And we know Kanye was singing Trump’s praises....

If Kanye decided to spend $ and the race between Trump and Biden tightened Kanye could become a problem particularly if he ran on a message targeted to black people (or whatever term they are comfortable with this week) of “Democrats take your vote for granted and don’t do anything for you!”

I am hoping it’s a joke candidacy but not sure I feel comfortable assuming so yet

[ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl]

I am hoping it’s a joke candidacy but not sure I feel comfortable assuming so yet

I can't believe this is serious
Yes, he would certainly pull Biden votes, but this actually happening is highly unlikely

My understanding is his MAGA love has faded, he just wanted to make sure Kim got her voice heard by trump on releasing the prisoner she was advocating for.  I'm sure his involvement and public displays were a huge impact on Trump acting on Kim's wishes

But don't make any bets on what is going on in Kanye's mind...that's a fool's gambit


I will say this did make me giggle this morning
Eric Swalwell @ericswalwell
I’m running for President. Wait. I tried that and it didn’t end well. Take two: I’m voting for @JoeBiden
 to end this national nightmare. You with me?