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Title: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on June 18, 2007, 04:11:00 pm
So I'm crossing off another item on my "101 Things To Do Before I Die" list, and I'm running my first marathon this November in NYC.
 
 Prior to this, I've maxed out at about 7 miles at a time, so I'd like to prepare as best I can.  Granted, the race isn't until the first weekend in November, but I'm starting my real training tomorrow.  Any advice for a novice?  Any websites I should check out?  Any excellent training regiments?
 
 For those of you that are experienced, I'm not doing this cold turkey (or is it "hot turkey" if you start something out of the blue???).  I've been running 5 times a week all year so far, building up to my current 5 miles a day.  I'd just like to know what I should do to keep from dying or harming myself, and to find good resources on what to bring during my training/race, what to eat, what not to do, etc.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: vansmack on June 18, 2007, 04:23:00 pm
I'm in the same boat.  Love to hear other peoples advice.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: ggw on June 18, 2007, 04:24:00 pm
I'm jealous.  My back is just now getting back to the condition in which I can start running again.
 
 
 I liked this book:
 
 Four Months to a Four Hour Marathon (http://www.amazon.com/Four-Months-Four-hour-Marathon-Kuehls/dp/0399524150/ref=sr_1_1/105-4802924-4918854?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1182197726&sr=8-1)
 
 My recipe was to run increasingly long runs each weekend, maxing out at 25 miles about 3-4 weeks prior to the marathon.  In between, I would try to do a couple of short runs and/or bike rides or some other form of cross-training.
 
 Try to run some shorter races (10k's; 10-milers; half-marathon) in September or early October.
 
 Drink lots of water on a regular basis.  
 
 Avoid red meat the day before you go on a big run.
 
 Run for a specified amount of time rather than a specified distance; to build up endurance rather than concentrating on pace.
 
 Once a week do sprints at a high school track (sprint 400 meters; walk 800 meters; repeat; repeat...)
 
 Basically, try different things now to find out which seem to work for you and then build on them over the next couple of months.
 
 I always found the best part of marathons to be the discipline you get into in the training months.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on June 18, 2007, 04:25:00 pm
Congratulations on your decision!
 
 25-30 miles spread over four or five days a week is a good start. But you want to spread that out such that one of those days is a long run. Try adding two miles to your long run every second week until you hit a base of 12. Then do that 12 for awhile until it's old hat and easy breezy (or the marathon date dictates that you better start adding more mileage to your long run.) After 12 is easy breezy, again begin adding two miles every other week.
 
 You'd do a long run schedule of:
 
 Week 1: 12 miles
 Week 2:8-10
 Week 3: 14
 Week 4 8-10
 Week 5: 16
 Week 6: 8-10
 Week 7: 18
 
 etc. until you hit 24 two weeks before the marathon. Meanwhile, keep doing your short runs 3-4 times a week. But sticking to your long run is the key.
 
 NYC is a wonderful marathon to run. The crowd support is awesome and keeps you going. I just wish they had the chip in the first few NYC marathons I ran, when I did my personal best. It would have knocked 5-10 minutes off my time.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: vansmack on June 18, 2007, 04:33:00 pm
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Originally posted by ggw?:
  Avoid red meat the day before you go on a big run.
I'm out.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: grotty on June 18, 2007, 05:09:00 pm
my first marathon was one of my fav things ever.
 
 i agree strongly with ggw:
 " always found the best part of marathons to be the discipline you get into in the training months"
 
 it was probably the best I've ever felt.
 
 i used this book: How To Train For And Run Your Best Marathon by Bloch.
 
 i used training program 2 exactly & cruised through my 1st race @ 4:00.
 
 my best advice:
 
 get a training partner. unless you are really going for time - pick someone who actually tends to run @ a slower pace than you. probably the worst thing you can do during training is run too fast. you'll wear out & get injured - guaranteed.
 
 be up to running 7 miles - with the ability to run long ~ 10 miles BEFORE you start official training. Otherwise the jump up in mileage may be a shock that results in injury. (that program above has a 105 min run in the first week)
 
 Cross-train! biking is a good substitute.
 
 i'm sure i'll think of more...
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: grotty on June 18, 2007, 05:14:00 pm
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Originally posted by vansmack:
   
Quote
Originally posted by ggw?:
  Avoid red meat the day before you go on a big run.
I'm out. [/b]
after your first couple long runs - you will feel like crap. stomach will be destroyed. i spent many early weeks curled up on the couch after a 10 - 12 mile long run.
 
 but it's amazing how your body will adapt & get very hardy.
 
 Rhett is correct - something magic happens after about 12-14 miles. i got to the point where i'd carry cold pizza to eat along the way. and i clearly remember craving an all-you-can eat chinese buffett @ about 15 miles one day.
 
 By the time race day came around - i was like a goat. Eating anything/anytime.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Barcelona on June 18, 2007, 05:32:00 pm
I have run five marathons (a couple of mountain marathons included) and never followed a training program, I like running (that is the key) I would run 10-12km 4 days a week on average prior to a marathon. I would say it is important to see how you respond to some longer distances while you are preparing for a marathon. I would do 10 miles at least once every month and would try one or two half marathons a few months before the marathon. I like pasta and I think it was helpful eating it the days before some long distance running, but I am not sure this is recommended, I might be wrong.
 
 One key aspect is how ready you are psychologically. To me the last five miles in the marathons I have run have always been very difficult. I remember being tired and thinking why in hell I had decided to run such a long race. The challenge is to beat that moment during the race.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Mobius on June 18, 2007, 06:09:00 pm
Run with a group for the long runs, if possible.  I think it makes the experience more enjoyable, makes it much easier to break through any walls you might hit on your way to running 18+ miles, and makes it easier to follow through (i.e. it helps to have a scheduled run rather than 'winging it' on your own).
 
 Another good running book is 'Chi Running.'
 
 Down the road, I'd get to NYC Friday if possible, or early Saturday.  Its somewhat of a hassle picking up your stuff at Javitts center . . . and you want to relax and enjoy the day as much as possible.
 
 And this is a biggie for race day - if you take the shuttle from Manhattan it takes awile - like 1.5 hours.  And as of 2 years ago the bus did not have bathrooms.  You'll be hydrating leading up to the race so plan accordingly!
 
 Good luck!!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Celeste on June 18, 2007, 07:42:00 pm
I've done three and agree with GGW and Rhett's advice wholeheartedly (Rhett was my coach). The long runs are really key, in my opinion because during the week I'd just do 4- or 5- mile runs maybe three times a week, nothing too serious, with a long run every other week, alternating 12 miles with a longer one (14, 16, 18, etc. as Rhett said). I never cared too much about speed til race day. If you care about speed, then you gotta do the short ones more seriously, with intervals, sprints, etc. But I don't know if I'd bother with that for my first race.
 
 Running a marathon and even training for one is enormously satisfying.
 
 After NYC, definitely do Chicago. It's flat, cool outside usually when they run it, and the neighborhoods are great fun to run through.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: terry on June 18, 2007, 07:59:00 pm
For my first marathon I used this training program: http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-238-244-255-11937-0,00.html. (http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-238-244-255-11937-0,00.html.) For me, the long run is key. Not only physically but it gets you into a particular mindset. As you've heard and will continue to hear, alot of it is a mental, especially those last few miles.
 
 Also, besides water you need to make sure to drink gatorade or something else with electrolytes. There is such a thing as too much water so be careful, especially when you're training in this heat/humidity. I know, you can't win. Either you drink too much water or not enough. It can drive you crazy. Some of those sport drinks do fun things to my stomach (and by fun I mean ick.)
 
 I'm also a believer in going to a store staffed by experienced runners (Fleet Feet; Metro Run & Walk; or Pacers) and get fitted for a proper pair of running shoes. I did that several years ago and have been wearing the same basic model ever since. Most people get a shoe 1/2 size larger than their normal shoe size because your feet swell on long runs (my running shoes are a full size larger--I had to lose a few toenails to learn that lesson.)
 
 I also tend to race alot when I'm training for a marathon. I run harder plus it's nice to have somebody hand you water/gatorade every few miles. There are a bunch of races available in this area.
 Check out www.runwashington.com. (http://www.runwashington.com.) DCRRCs 20 miler in September is pretty popular. The Army Ten-Miler, if it's not already closed out, is also a good one.  
 
 Good luck!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: PigIron on June 18, 2007, 08:53:00 pm
Hal Higdon (http://www.halhigdon.com/beginrunner/novicesupreme.htm)
 
 Try Hal's program.  Its what I used on my first marathon and it works if you can stick to it.  7 miles is a great place to be with five months to go.  Preparing for a fall marathon can be a bitch though - you have to practice long runs in the summer heat.  
 
 Make sure you drink water when you get in to the longer runs.  Carrying water is a pain in the ass but it works.  Get the clip-on containers and a belt.  It sounds retarded but it works.  I have four 5 oz. containers that I carry for marathon-type training stuff and it doesn't look too bad.
 
 Also, pound down the proper nutrients.  I didn't even hit "the wall" on the first marathon because I was chugging sodium packets every five miles.  They, like water, are a pain to carry but they work and save some pain.  If you want, try carrying something for sugar too - people eat gummi bears.  Bring a small pack and eat one every mile.
 
 Don't overdo it.  Limit long runs to once a week and remember that you can be ready for a marathon without getting too close to the 26.2 miles.
 
 Good luck!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: PigIron on June 18, 2007, 10:40:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
  Congratulations on your decision!
 
 25-30 miles spread over four or five days a week is a good start. But you want to spread that out such that one of those days is a long run. Try adding two miles to your long run every second week until you hit a base of 12. Then do that 12 for awhile until it's old hat and easy breezy (or the marathon date dictates that you better start adding more mileage to your long run.) After 12 is easy breezy, again begin adding two miles every other week.
 
 You'd do a long run schedule of:
 
 Week 1: 12 miles
 Week 2:8-10
 Week 3: 14
 Week 4 8-10
 Week 5: 16
 Week 6: 8-10
 Week 7: 18
 
 etc. until you hit 24 two weeks before the marathon. Meanwhile, keep doing your short runs 3-4 times a week. But sticking to your long run is the key.
 
 NYC is a wonderful marathon to run. The crowd support is awesome and keeps you going. I just wish they had the chip in the first few NYC marathons I ran, when I did my personal best. It would have knocked 5-10 minutes off my time.
No offense, but 24 before the race seems like too much.  That could be the case for some people, but it takes awhile to recover from a run like that, especially for someone going into their first marathon.  There are different programs out there I know, but I wouldn't advise this, and I've been doing races for a long time.  I would top out at 20-21 two weeks prior - just my opinion.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Celeste on June 19, 2007, 04:36:00 am
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Originally posted by PigIron:
  No offense, but 24 before the race seems like too much...I would top out at 20-21 two weeks prior - just my opinion.
This is somewhat true, I seem to recall actually doing more like 22 miles as the highest, and also having two weeks rest before the race (instead of one, and by "rest" I mean 12 mile runs those weekends, continuing short ones during the week).
 
 Whichever you choose, just go as slow as you need to go when you do these runs that are over 20 miles, I'd say. I never got injured, sick to my stomach or f-ed up in any way during training or racing because I pushed myself, but not too much speed-wise. I wasn't like painfully slow, but for me, it was enough just to do the runs. (My thing, though, is I will not walk...which is actually part of some programs...I just won't do it.)
 
 One last tip...I kind of change up HOW I run throughout the longer runs in terms of stride, how  I position my legs, etc. It makes you feel like you're kind of getting a break if you run slightly differently when you start to get a little achy or tired.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: grotty on June 19, 2007, 07:49:00 am
I'm actually a big advocate of the walking bit.
 
 Not much - but for 30 seconds every 5-8 miles - I'd walk fast.
 
 The theory is - as descibed above by Vessel - that your body - legs especially - really benefit from the change. minimizes cramping from repetition.
 
 it's perfect for the water stops. it's hard to drink & run anyway
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: TimCooke on June 19, 2007, 08:56:00 am
All I know is that I'm super surprised that there are so many marathoners here.  I figured most of your habits included sitting at the computer all day updating the Message Board and hanging at 9:30 at night swilling beer.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on June 19, 2007, 09:11:00 am
Agreed.  I figured Rhett & Celeste, GGW and maybe one or two others would chime in.  We're less out of shape than I thought!
 
 Thanks for the advice everyone.  I'm actually using Hal Higdon's guide to get prepped; an out of shape friend of mine used it and he was able to finish relatively easy, so I'm hoping I do even better.  
 
 I may revisit this topic a month out to find out exactly what sort of marathon prep I should do.  Dropping things like "sodium packets" means nothing to me, since the most elaborate running supply I've ever purchased was an iPod Shuffle.
 
 
Quote
Originally posted by CookieMonster:
  All I know is that I'm super surprised that there are so many marathoners here.  I figured most of your habits included sitting at the computer all day updating the Message Board and hanging at 9:30 at night swilling beer.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on June 19, 2007, 09:18:00 am
You're probably right. When I plan for 24, I actually end up doing less. I don't think I've ever done a training run more than 22-23 miles, and I've trained for 13 marathons. It's really tough going over 20 when you're not doing the actual race, at least for me. Still, when I've topped out on training at ONLY 20, it spelled trouble in terms of finishing without walking.
 
 
Quote
Originally posted by PigIron:
   
Quote
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
  Congratulations on your decision!
 
 25-30 miles spread over four or five days a week is a good start. But you want to spread that out such that one of those days is a long run. Try adding two miles to your long run every second week until you hit a base of 12. Then do that 12 for awhile until it's old hat and easy breezy (or the marathon date dictates that you better start adding more mileage to your long run.) After 12 is easy breezy, again begin adding two miles every other week.
 
 You'd do a long run schedule of:
 
 Week 1: 12 miles
 Week 2:8-10
 Week 3: 14
 Week 4 8-10
 Week 5: 16
 Week 6: 8-10
 Week 7: 18
 
 etc. until you hit 24 two weeks before the marathon. Meanwhile, keep doing your short runs 3-4 times a week. But sticking to your long run is the key.
 
 NYC is a wonderful marathon to run. The crowd support is awesome and keeps you going. I just wish they had the chip in the first few NYC marathons I ran, when I did my personal best. It would have knocked 5-10 minutes off my time.
No offense, but 24 before the race seems like too much.  That could be the case for some people, but it takes awhile to recover from a run like that, especially for someone going into their first marathon.  There are different programs out there I know, but I wouldn't advise this, and I've been doing races for a long time.  I would top out at 20-21 two weeks prior - just my opinion. [/b]
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: ggw on June 19, 2007, 12:00:00 pm
I tried the "top out at 20 miles" regime for my first marathon.  The result was that I ran great for the first 20 miles (2 hours 56 minutes).  Then I totally fell apart.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on June 19, 2007, 12:04:00 pm
That was my friends only criticism.  I'm actually starting the real training early (just this morning, in fact) because I already have two weekends were running just won't be possible.  My plan is to shift everything just a bit (rearranging the days, etc.), and I'll probably add a 20+ run to fill in the gap.
 
 
Quote
Originally posted by ggw?:
  I tried the "top out at 20 miles" regime for my first marathon.  The result was that I ran great for the first 20 miles (2 hours 56 minutes).  Then I totally fell apart.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: godsshoeshine on June 19, 2007, 12:08:00 pm
i have a general running question, figure this is a good place to ask
 
 during the week i usually do a quick 3 mile or so run. i would like to wake up early on weekends and do a bit longer, but it seems like i run out of energy. should i eat something first, and if so, how long should i wait to digest?
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: terry on June 19, 2007, 12:11:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by ggw?:
  I tried the "top out at 20 miles" regime for my first marathon.  The result was that I ran great for the first 20 miles (2 hours 56 minutes).  Then I totally fell apart.
That's exactly what happened to me. I didn't totally fall apart but my legs certainly were not accustomed to more than 20 miles and I definitely felt it. Now I make sure I get a 20+ run in 3 weeks before race day. Actually, what you can do is run a marathon 3 weeks before NY and use that as your last long run.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: allmy$to930 on June 19, 2007, 12:32:00 pm
I have done three and plan to start scaling up to run Baltimore this fall.
 
 I generally agree with everything that has been posted here.  
 
 Two additional points:
 
 1) For me, caloric intake and hydration is the key to completing a marathon. Devote a lot of time to testing various ratios of water/sports drink/gels/etc during long runs.  I also highly recommend SUCCEED electrolyte caps. Push fluids and gels early in the marathon...if you start to feel thirsty during the race, you have waited too long.
 
 2) Add some light lifting in your training program.  Strengthen your abs and shoulders so you can maintain good posture at the end of the race. Slouching leads to ineffecient running and even injury.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sonickteam2 on June 19, 2007, 12:35:00 pm
you people are crazy!!
 
 thats all i'm sayin  ;)
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Celeste on June 19, 2007, 12:49:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by allmy$to930:
  Add some light lifting in your training program.  Strengthen your abs and shoulders so you can maintain good posture at the end of the race. Slouching leads to ineffecient running and even injury.
I agree, this is essential.
 
 It seems many runners dismiss non-cardio workouts and protein consumption. (I used to be this way.) But getting a good supply of branched chain amino acids (I like Designer Whey in a smoothie) and weight training made a big difference in my fitness level...and will support your running.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Celeste on June 19, 2007, 12:53:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
  i have a general running question, figure this is a good place to ask
 
 during the week i usually do a quick 3 mile or so run. i would like to wake up early on weekends and do a bit longer, but it seems like i run out of energy. should i eat something first, and if so, how long should i wait to digest?
I would say, depends on your body. For me, I could see eating a slice of whole wheat toast w some peanut butter and an apple and heading out a half hour later...it all depends if & when you have to take a morning crap, too...
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: godsshoeshine on June 19, 2007, 01:00:00 pm
i crap within 20 minutes of waking up
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Celeste on June 19, 2007, 01:12:00 pm
perfect, then
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: vansmack on June 19, 2007, 01:13:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
  i crap within 20 minutes of waking up
There are some things on this board you are never prepared for....
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: PigIron on June 19, 2007, 01:42:00 pm
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Originally posted by vansmack:
   
Quote
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
  i crap within 20 minutes of waking up
There are some things on this board you are never prepared for.... [/b]
Probably, the most interesting thing before any marathon, or even the 10Ks, is the bathroom line of people who need to take a dump.  Its hard to understand this scene unless you are a runner.  But its true, at big races, massive lines of people who wait to take a pre-race dump.  
 During the last Baltimore running festival, I witnessed a woman squat down between two cars (at about mile 2) and take a shit in the road, as runners ran by and spectators watched in horror.  Probably the coolest race spectacle in recent memory.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: vansmack on June 19, 2007, 01:46:00 pm
I understand all of that.
 
 But I still didn't need, and certainly wasn't prepared, to know that God's Shoeshine shits within 20 minutes of waking up.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on June 19, 2007, 01:52:00 pm
I can crap within 2 minutes of waking up.
 
 
Quote
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
  i crap within 20 minutes of waking up
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: dfmcpete on June 19, 2007, 01:58:00 pm
I hope you sleep near a toilet.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Mobius on June 19, 2007, 02:00:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
  I can crap within 2 minutes of waking up.
 
 
I usually crap 2 minutes before waking up.
 
 Regarding eating before a morning run - an energy bar is good (I like the MoJo), or a bagel
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: MaLo on June 19, 2007, 02:28:00 pm
if there's one thing runners can talk about at length, its poop
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on June 19, 2007, 02:48:00 pm
I dedicate this one to Vansmack.
 
 I pulled a Greta Weitz one year at the NYC Marathon. Thank god for portajohns. A couple of Kenyans ended up passing me, but I did alright.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: godsshoeshine on June 19, 2007, 03:15:00 pm
i was just answering a question
 
 i thought people loved poop talk on the internet, though
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: on June 19, 2007, 03:35:00 pm
Marathon Tips?
 
 Is that anything like Rib Tips?  You See That Sign That Says Rib Tips? I wonder if these guys know the Commodores?
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: matts on June 19, 2007, 04:21:00 pm
Another practicality - you will be training in some hot ass weather.  Run early, especially for your long weekend runs.  A 14 mile run could take about 2 1/2 hours.  Be on the trail by 7am to ensure that you are done before the brutal heat starts (which means you wake up at 6am to eat, which means you didn't go drinking the night before...).
 
 Also, dont forget your nipple protection!  I used vaseline - it was ok, not great.  In fact, I still have a running shirt with permanent grease stains at chest level.  Chafed nipples are funny, but not if they're your's.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: redsock on June 19, 2007, 04:39:00 pm
Some advice from the I ran a marathon despite not being a marathon runner and sort of kinda hating to run camp:
 
 -band-aid up those nipples and be sure to Vaseline the family jewels.
 
 -Don't be afraid to walk for a minute now and again, it will save you some energy towards the end
 
 -Whatever anybody else says, if you can run 20 miles, you can run 26.2.
 
 -The mind is your most important tool. At one point during the marathon you will feel awful, but if you can rationalize that it will not get any worse than that moment, and that all you have to do is live with the pain and misery for a few more miles, it will do wonders for your spirit, and you'll actually pick up your pace.
 
 -I am living proof that you can actually will yourself through a marathon, and if i can do that, you'll be a rock star.
 
 -Not everyone is a "group" or partner runner. I personally hate having to tell people "you're doing great Bill, keep it up." And don't me started on them trying to pump me up. Please, i'd rather just focus on something else and pretend i'm not running.
 
 -That last mile or so may end up being one the best times of your life, so enjoy it.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: ggw on June 19, 2007, 04:41:00 pm
Don't forget to sleep in a hyperbaric chamber at least five nights a week.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: PigIron on June 19, 2007, 04:44:00 pm
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Originally posted by matts:
  Another practicality - you will be training in some hot ass weather.  Run early, especially for your long weekend runs.  A 14 mile run could take about 2 1/2 hours.  Be on the trail by 7am to ensure that you are done before the brutal heat starts (which means you wake up at 6am to eat, which means you didn't go drinking the night before...).
 
 Also, dont forget your nipple protection!  I used vaseline - it was ok, not great.  In fact, I still have a running shirt with permanent grease stains at chest level.  Chafed nipples are funny, but not if they're your's.
A great point.  You can buy Bodyglide for that at most running stores.  Also, be wary of the chafed taint as well.  There is absolutely nothing remotely funny about a taint and lower buttocks region rubbed raw from running long distances in the heat.  Try smearing in massive amounts vasoline, Bodyglide or (some say) deodorant across the taint, lower buttocks region, and if you are carrying a belt for water, the hips and waist region.  Also, this method keeps the feet from blistering as well.  Good luck!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on June 19, 2007, 04:44:00 pm
Huh...looks like I already more prepared than I thought  :eek:  
 
 
Quote
Originally posted by redsock:
 be sure to Vaseline the family jewels
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Celeste on June 19, 2007, 04:44:00 pm
a race-day tip came to mind...this is just something that worked for me, not sure what others think...but it's kind of a mental thing that goes into the physical...
 
 it has to do with pacing...I would ask myself at any point throughout the race, could I continue at this pace indefinitely? if I felt like I could, it gave me a lot of peace and confidence knowing I was going at a reasonable enough pace to continue forever if I had to...
 
 it's always cool to run the second half faster than the first and be able to finish strong because you were smart about pacing
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on August 31, 2007, 09:49:00 am
So in case anyone cares, figured I'd give a quick update on my progress.
 
 I just finished the half-way point in training, which is a nice landmark.  Too bad the worst is yet to come.  This weekend is a 16 mile run, and I'm up to 32 miles this week.
 
 So far, even the long distances have been manageable.  The only ones that have killed me have been weather related; both a 12 miler and a 15 miler (last weekend) were just too hot and it wound up killing me.
 
 I think I've finally found what works for me, because normally I've been cruising.  Mile time is down form what I expected, which is a nice treat.
 
 One question, though: what do you do about leg pain while running?  Certain people have mentioned popping aspirin (or more intense pain killers), but I'm not sure if that's a good idea.  So far, it hasn't gotten bad, but if there is anything I can do to hold off the pain, I'd appreciate knowing it.
 
 Oh, and I found out last week why nipple covers are important.  Ouch.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: beetsnotbeats on August 31, 2007, 10:05:00 am
Quote
Originally posted by nkotb:
 
 Oh, and I found out last week why nipple covers are important.  Ouch.
Must...resist...altering...certain...words....
 
 As for painkillers, it probably depends on the kind of pain. Muscle, joint or both? Figure out what reliever works better for whatever kind of pain you have. Considering that aspirin thins the blood, I wonder if it would affect the flow of oxygen to the muscles.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: 6949 on August 31, 2007, 10:06:00 am
I bought a bib for the Army 10 miler but I'll be out of town. I missed the deadline for transfers. Anybody need a bib? I'm assuming you can just pick it up and pretend to be me on race day.
 http://www.armytenmiler.com/index.cfm (http://www.armytenmiler.com/index.cfm)
 
 It??s Never To Early To Plan Your Packet Pick-Up ?? Mark your calendar to pick up your packet, bib number and timing chip at the Crystal Gateway Marriot on either Friday, October 5 from 2:00pm ?? 8:00pm or Saturday from 8:00am ?? 4:30pm. There is no race day pick up and you must have a bib to run the race! If you have a friend pick up your packet for you, they must have a copy of the registered runner??s photo id ?? no exceptions. Visit the Packet Pick-Up page for complete information.
 
 PM me and maybe we can work something out.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on August 31, 2007, 10:10:00 am
Yeah, it's a little absurd the pre-run preparation I go through.  To an outside observer, I'm sure placing nip covers on my chest and lubing up a bunch of areas with Vaseline might seem a little...odd.
 
 The pain is just muscle pain, most likely from fatigue a bit.  So far (knock on wood), my joints have been ok.  And that's exactly what made me nervous about aspirin.  Made the mistake of running a morning after having a few drinks the night before.  I thought my heart was going to explode.
 
 
Quote
Originally posted by beetsnotbeats:
 Must...resist...altering...certain...words....
 
 As for painkillers, it probably depends on the kind of pain. Muscle, joint or both? Figure out what reliever works better for whatever kind of pain you have. Considering that aspirin thins the blood, I wonder if it would affect the flow of oxygen to the muscles.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on August 31, 2007, 10:23:00 am
Do you think if you run another one, you might opt for a Spring marathon? Only three of my 13 marathons have been Spring marathons, but long runs in February in Virginia sure beat long runs in August.
 
 If anybody has a chance to do the Charlottesville Marathon, go for it. The views are quite lovely, and you're not cramped up with 30,000 runners like you are in the big marathons. Totally different feel to it. The hills are deadly though.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on August 31, 2007, 10:27:00 am
I would consider it, although I feel like I've been extremely lucky with the weather.  Of the 11 weeks of training so far, only two long runs have been detrimentally hot.  The weather has been so mild that I've even run some of them in the middle of the day and had no issues with the heat.  I knew my luck would eventually run out, but so far, so good...and with fall right around the corner, I'm hoping it's only going to get better.
 
 
Quote
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
  Do you think if you run another one, you might opt for a Spring marathon? Only three of my 13 marathons have been Spring marathons, but long runs in February in Virginia sure beat long runs in August.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: reggie on August 31, 2007, 02:41:00 pm
i would avoid a book like the "four months to a four hour marathon" for your FIRST marathon.
 here is why.
 the whole point for your first marathon should be to finish. that's it. i assume your 100 things to do before you die list said "run a marathon" and not "run a maraton in X time."
 if you try to set a time goal, like four hours, and you dont meet that goal, that kind of devalues the whole experience. could you imagine running 26.2 miles and feeling like didnt meet a goal? like you failed? it happens all the time when people set up these time goals for their first marathon. so dont do it.
 
 "four months" is a really great book, but I would just save that for another marathon if you plan to run a second.
 
 also, I would throw your watch away for the first marathon. seriously, you dont need it. dont think about time and just enjoy the run as much as possible. you will have much more fun.
 
 for my first marathon i read "The Non-Runner's Marathon Trainer" and it's great. it's the only book first time marathoners need.
 
 edit: whoops. didnt see that this thread was a little old. my bad.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: reggie on August 31, 2007, 02:46:00 pm
also how the hell did you guys get entry into the nyc marathon? every time I try to register I never get in.    :mad:
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on August 31, 2007, 02:54:00 pm
Literally sheer dumb luck.  I had always wanted to run a marathon, and thought I needed to have the spectre of one over my head to keep me training.  The Marine Corps marathon isn't a problem to get into, so I signed up for NYC thinking I'd never get picked in the lottery.
 
 The threat worked and I started off the year running pretty solidly, slowly building up to 5 miles a day 5 times a week.  That's when I got my notice that I was picked.  Pretty insane, but I'm psyched about the chance.
 
 And thanks for the advice, even if it was a little old.  I'm not shooting for any time particularly; I'll be happy to just finish.  I am surprised how much I'm enjoying it though.  I think GGW (maybe not) mentioned how the regiment and willpower is as much a benefit as the accomplishment, and I'd have to agree. It's been a blast so far.
 
 Funny story; before this training, I had never run longer than 5 or 6 miles, and not that frequently.  A few weeks back, I had a 10 mile run (a drop-back week) that I had to do on a Sunday.  When my wife asked when I would do it, I told her that anytime was fine, because it "was only a short 10-miler."  After saying it, it struck me strange it was for me, a guy that's not that into exercise, to saying 10 miles was short.  But it's gotten that way for me, which is an awesome feeling.
 
 
Quote
Originally posted by reggie:
  also how the hell did you guys get entry into the nyc marathon? every time I try to register I never get in.     :mad:  
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on August 31, 2007, 03:00:00 pm
Really? I got into all seven that I applied for. Though those were all in the 90's. Maybe it's harder to get in now? I think it was first come first served then, and I always had my application in by express mail on the first day.
 
 
Quote
Originally posted by reggie:
  also how the hell did you guys get entry into the nyc marathon? every time I try to register I never get in.     :mad:  
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: matts on August 31, 2007, 03:15:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by nkotb:
  So in case anyone cares, figured I'd give a quick update on my progress.
 
 I just finished the half-way point in training, which is a nice landmark.  Too bad the worst is yet to come.  This weekend is a 16 mile run, and I'm up to 32 miles this week.
 
 So far, even the long distances have been manageable.  The only ones that have killed me have been weather related; both a 12 miler and a 15 miler (last weekend) were just too hot and it wound up killing me.
 
 I think I've finally found what works for me, because normally I've been cruising.  Mile time is down form what I expected, which is a nice treat.
 
 One question, though: what do you do about leg pain while running?  Certain people have mentioned popping aspirin (or more intense pain killers), but I'm not sure if that's a good idea.  So far, it hasn't gotten bad, but if there is anything I can do to hold off the pain, I'd appreciate knowing it.
 
 Oh, and I found out last week why nipple covers are important.  Ouch.
Congrats on your progress.  
 
 Once the runs started getting long (16 mi+) I started popping 800 mg (4 tabs) of ibuprofen about 30 minutes before each run.  It helped with the pain, but did not completely eliminate it.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: ggw on August 31, 2007, 04:20:00 pm
I disagree.  If you read the introduction to the "Four Months" book, the author notes that he wrote the book because his father - a fifty-something couch potato - ran his first marathon in under four hours, as did Oprah and a bunch of other celebrities.  Certainly the celebrities had the benefit of flexible training schedules and personal coaches, but I think the author's point - that it is possible to run your first one in under 4:00:00 - is valid.
 
 I read the book and failed (4:28:17), but it definitely didn't dampen my enthusiasm.  If anything, it had the opposite effect - it motivated me to train better for the next one (3:57:28).
 
 At the same time, I don't think any single book should be a Bible.  Each individual will probably find that different things work better for them than other things.  Reading the different advice books can help one find those things.
 
 
Quote
Originally posted by reggie:
  i would avoid a book like the "four months to a four hour marathon" for your FIRST marathon.
 here is why.
 the whole point for your first marathon should be to finish. that's it. i assume your 100 things to do before you die list said "run a marathon" and not "run a maraton in X time."
 if you try to set a time goal, like four hours, and you dont meet that goal, that kind of devalues the whole experience. could you imagine running 26.2 miles and feeling like didnt meet a goal? like you failed? it happens all the time when people set up these time goals for their first marathon. so dont do it.
 
 "four months" is a really great book, but I would just save that for another marathon if you plan to run a second.
 
 also, I would throw your watch away for the first marathon. seriously, you dont need it. dont think about time and just enjoy the run as much as possible. you will have much more fun.
 
 for my first marathon i read "The Non-Runner's Marathon Trainer" and it's great. it's the only book first time marathoners need.
 
 edit: whoops. didnt see that this thread was a little old. my bad.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: godsshoeshine on August 31, 2007, 04:40:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by The Vessel:
   
Quote
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
  i have a general running question, figure this is a good place to ask
 
 during the week i usually do a quick 3 mile or so run. i would like to wake up early on weekends and do a bit longer, but it seems like i run out of energy. should i eat something first, and if so, how long should i wait to digest?
I would say, depends on your body. For me, I could see eating a slice of whole wheat toast w some peanut butter and an apple and heading out a half hour later...it all depends if & when you have to take a morning crap, too... [/b]
thanks for this too. i now eat a bowl of instant oatmeal and two teaspoons of peanut butter before i head out. works great
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on August 31, 2007, 04:49:00 pm
Unless Oprah ran more than one marathon, she didn't break four hours.
 
 http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=Oprah%20Winfrey (http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=Oprah%20Winfrey)
 
 In 1995, Oprah, a vegetarian, ran the Marine Corps marathon in Washington D.C. for her 40th birthday. It took her 4 hours, 29 minutes and 15 seconds. This is a major triumph, considering her constant televised battle with being overweight, a fight she has now won. Of food, she now says,
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: reggie on September 01, 2007, 08:20:00 pm
yeah, oprah definitely didn??t run a four hour and that book has been criticized for bending that fact. i just think four hours is an unrealistic goal for a first marathon, unless you are in great shape. I sure wasnt when I started training for my first one.
 
 GGW, that's awesome that ??Four Months? was a good fit for your first marathon. I just felt silly working out on a 400 meter track when my goal was just to finish. Part of the thrill, in training, was conquering a 12 mile run when I had never done so before. Running six 2 minute laps at 400 meters just didn't pump me up the same way.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on September 01, 2007, 11:23:00 pm
i did my first marathon in 4:01, and that was before they had the chip system...the first five-plus minutes of my time were spent getting to the starting line (it was NYC Matathon). And I'm definitely not all that athletic. So it seems realistic to me. Of course, I was 24 at the time.
 
 
Quote
Originally posted by reggie:
  yeah, oprah definitely didn??t run a four hour and that book has been criticized for bending that fact. i just think four hours is an unrealistic goal for a first marathon, unless you are in great shape. I sure wasnt when I started training for my first one.
 
 GGW, that's awesome that ??Four Months? was a good fit for your first marathon. I just felt silly working out on a 400 meter track when my goal was just to finish. Part of the thrill, in training, was conquering a 12 mile run when I had never done so before. Running six 2 minute laps at 400 meters just didn't pump me up the same way.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: vansmack on October 14, 2010, 03:04:12 pm
Rather than tie up the Rollcall thread....

I'm running my first half-marathon in Vegas in December and hope to run a full in 2011.  My training kept getting sidetracked for years, but this time I'm motivated and on it.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Vas Deferens on October 14, 2010, 03:14:55 pm
make sure you are fit for it...so you don't drop dead.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on October 14, 2010, 03:15:28 pm
It's funny to read this thread and see my wife giving marathon advice three days before giving birth to our daughter.

I bet running a marathon is easier than a drug-free home birth.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Relaxer on October 14, 2010, 03:18:56 pm
I'm signed up for Marine Corp but am probably going to have to skip it. Developed a mystery pain in my achilles a few weeks ago and I can't walk without hobbling much less run. I thought I could take a week off from the final-leg training and still make it happen, but I went out Tuesday and within five blocks, it was screaming. So pissed.

I was pretty diligent about not overdoing it too. I've been putting in ~25 miles a week since the start of the year, and mostly avoiding running two days in a row, plus I was religious about stretching before and after. Such a crushing blow because I thought this was finally the time I'd make this milestone.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on October 14, 2010, 03:28:38 pm
Stretching? What's stretching?
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Brian_Wallace on October 14, 2010, 03:32:55 pm

Run trail half-marathon/marathons.  But quit before you get to those Ultra/50/100 milers.  Forget the Pavement nonsense.  Sure, you have a greater chance of injury but the lesser pounding on your knees offsets that.  Maryland/Virginia has some of the most beautiful trails/runs in the country.

Trail running is one of those rare things that's both hippie AND punk.  Like My Morning Jacket meets the Descendents.

Brian
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: vansmack on October 14, 2010, 03:37:46 pm
Foot and shin injuries was always what was sidelining my training.  I kept moving the spectrum of support further to the support side in my shoes.

Then I got really sick this spring where running was not an option and my orthopedic gave me some great advice:  While we have a break here, let's try to strengthen your feet instead of compensating for what we perceive as lack of support.

So I switched to a shoe with less support but was designed to strengthen my feet and leg muscles and for three months I walked around in those.  A lot.  And now I'm nearing 3 months into training and haven't had a single problem with my feet or legs.

They're not for everybody, but I think the Nike Free Runs (or insert any other brand that simulates barefoot running) have had a huge impact on my abililty to train this fall.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: godsshoeshine on October 14, 2010, 03:43:32 pm
i am hoping that 2011 is the year for me too. is the marine corps really a bad first marathon? i have heard that from a couple of people
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on October 14, 2010, 03:47:39 pm
I've never stretched, and have never had any foot/knee/shin injuries in the 27 years I've been running.

It's my upper back that experiences great pain when I get beyond 20 miles. Do they make some kind of ice pack I could strap to my back? I've always guessed that this is caused by me being flat footed with one leg longer than the other.

I do my long runs on a hilly, gravelly trail. Hoping that translates to the actual run being easier.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on October 14, 2010, 03:57:13 pm
How much do they run?  I've thought about trying them out for size, but I don't want to waste too much money if I don't like them.

They're not for everybody, but I think the Nike Free Runs (or insert any other brand that simulates barefoot running) have had a huge impact on my abililty to train this fall.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: walkonby on October 14, 2010, 04:31:15 pm
i don't understand running marathons.  they don't get you anywhere in life.  they don't prepare you for anything, besides more running.  what are you running from.  what is there to prove besides, "hey i've run a marathon."  can you get a job from them.  can you invent something that will save humanity by doing it.  you're not going to win it.  are you raising money for a charity by doing it.  how do you the money is going where it is suppose to.  aren't you really just supporting companies (nike, reebok, gatorade, etc..) and cities who love the exposure, that prey on people who run marathons.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: vansmack on October 14, 2010, 04:33:32 pm
How much do they run?  I've thought about trying them out for size, but I don't want to waste too much money if I don't like them.

They retail for $85 and that's pretty standard (though last year's colors are now on sale at Footlocker if they have your size - it's the exact same shoe).

If you know your size, you can get them for less at roadrunnersports.com if you join VIP.  That's 10% off, free shipping and I think I can get you $10 off that if I recommend you.  A friend of mine just got a pair for around $65.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: ggw on October 14, 2010, 04:50:05 pm
I was set to run my fourth Marine Corps Marathon this year but developed a case of metatarsalgia (pain in the ball of my foot), the treatment for which consists mainly of not running.  Glad to see the MCM now offers deferment to the next year.

As for the question of whether it is a good first marathon, I would say maybe.  The course is not tough and there are a lot of other first-timers and weekend warriors, so that is a plus.  It has become way crowded, which is a minus.  But it always well-organized, as opposed to some others (National Marathon - I'm looking at you).  There are plenty of others (such as Chicago and Toronto) that are "easier" courses (as in flatter).  But the start line for the MCM is like a mile and a half from my house so it's always the easiest one for me to get too.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Relaxer on October 14, 2010, 04:57:03 pm
Glad to see the MCM now offers deferment to the next year.

Did not know that. Well, that helps a little.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: godsshoeshine on October 15, 2010, 08:45:46 am
we should get seth to sponsor us next year
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on October 15, 2010, 09:40:08 am
maybe he could run it with us

we should get seth to sponsor us next year
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on October 19, 2010, 11:11:49 am
As for the question of whether it is a good first marathon, I would say maybe.  The course is not tough and there are a lot of other first-timers and weekend warriors, so that is a plus.  It has become way crowded, which is a minus.  But it always well-organized, as opposed to some others (National Marathon - I'm looking at you).  There are plenty of others (such as Chicago and Toronto) that are "easier" courses (as in flatter).  But the start line for the MCM is like a mile and a half from my house so it's always the easiest one for me to get too.

thanks for the insight on the MCM.  any other tips a first-time runner should know?  my wife is curious about what to expect.

is jumping the barrier a possibility, or will the Marines tackle me?

any tips for spectators?  i'm told that the MCM is good for spectators because it's easy to catch runners at several spots along the course.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on October 19, 2010, 11:15:54 am
Please don't jump in at the beginning. The course is already overcrowded with real competitors.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on October 19, 2010, 11:20:11 am
definitely not.  the idea is to provide support at the very end - last 5 or 6 miles.  i have zero interest in jumping in early on... someone might expect me to actually run all 26 miles, and that sure as hell ain't happening.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: ggw on October 19, 2010, 02:21:25 pm
is jumping the barrier a possibility, or will the Marines tackle me?

any tips for spectators?  i'm told that the MCM is good for spectators because it's easy to catch runners at several spots along the course.

Non-registered runners regularly jump in to run a couple of miles with their registered friends/family.  The organizers probably aren't thrilled about it, but I have never heard of them doing anything to prevent/stop it.

As far as spectating - if you hang out near the Lincoln Memorial you can catch the runners twice in the middle sections of the race and then just walk back over the Memorial Bridge to catch them at the end.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: walkonby on October 19, 2010, 02:25:24 pm
have you ever seen anybody ever crap their pants while running.  or one of the water cup people trip a runner. 
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on October 19, 2010, 02:48:45 pm
In regard to the second question: no.

In regard to the first question: yes.

Grete Waitz lost control of her bowels while racing the New York City Marathon, continued running, and won.


http://www.runnersworld.com/community/forums/index.jsp?plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat%3ARunner+CommunitiesForum%3A618106477Discussion%3A7141007552


have you ever seen anybody ever crap their pants while running.  or one of the water cup people trip a runner. 
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on October 19, 2010, 11:12:26 pm
Don't drop dead.

Sincerely,

Jim Fixx
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on October 29, 2010, 02:58:31 pm
I decided fairly last minute to still run on Sunday.  Gave a try-out run of 18 miles last week and did alright; I had to walk a little bit, but I still knocked it out in 3 hours on the dot. 

Look for a guy wearing a Hot Snakes t-shirt (my lucky running shirt) and say hi or cheer me on or pick me up off the pavement and wipe the puke from my face.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: ggw on October 30, 2010, 08:43:18 pm
I will be hanging out at Lorcom and Spout Run. Just look for the dude with the 190lb St. Bernard.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on October 31, 2010, 04:16:47 pm
I didn't see ggw or his dog.

Very happy with my race. My 14th marathon, but my first since 2006. The fastest of my last 10, 30 minutes faster than 2006, and fastest since 1994.

Which is not to say I ran some sort of amazing race or anything. Hell, assuming I'm looking up the right name, it looks like nkotb beat me.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on October 31, 2010, 08:25:55 pm
this missus clocked in at under 4 hours.  i am so amazed and proud of her.  i could barely keep up with her for the last five miles, after she had already run 21... crazy.  she's going to be some kind of sore tomorrow.  met up with her a miles 1, 4, 10, 15 and 21. 

dunno if it was the influence of yesterday's rally but there were some witty signs along the way.

thanks to earlier-than-announced road closures we were diverted into DC instead of parking at a friend's near the finish line, so we took metro to the start line.  after the race, the line to get in to rosslyn station stretched down the block so we decided to walk back to foggy bottom.  only low-point of the day.

what a gorgeous day for a marathon.  what a great weekend.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on October 31, 2010, 08:45:45 pm
Yes, the Rosslyn Metro line sucked.

As did all the people who decided to meet their parties right after the finish line instead of at the family link-up, thus clogging up the exit area. It look me nearly an hour to walk the quarter (half?) mile from the finish to the family link-up.

Oh, and I forgot to mention the best part. About five feet after the finish line, I started projectile vomiting. Threw up probably six times in the span of two minutes. Sat down for ten minutes and was fine.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: ggw on October 31, 2010, 09:03:08 pm
The dog got a little freaked by all the bicycles and noise from the spectators so we were hanging in the back. Perfect weather for the race. Made me sad I wasn't out there. A hearty congrats to the Fords, sweetcellette and nkotb.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on November 01, 2010, 09:13:13 am
As I mentioned here before, I skipped a lot of my long-distance training, but it turned out pretty well in the long run.  I had to walk a bit of this one (last time, I ran the entire distance), but dropped 10 minutes off my time; I came in at 4:02:24, so I'm pretty happy about that. 

This was my first Marine Corps, and I found it pretty badly organized compared to NYC.  I made the mistake of assuming (like NYC) that the start would have some energy drinks, bagels and food, but they didn't, so I started things off with almost nothing on my stomach.  Total rookie mistake.

And the lack of people on the course cheering you on fed into my walking, I think.  The times I needed the most cheering, there was practically no one on the course.  And given that SO much of it is a loop (literally a ton through Crystal City is just up and down the same street during the last 3 miles), it didn't really take your mind off how terrible your legs felt.  And just for the record, they feel terrible today.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on November 01, 2010, 09:59:45 am
dropped 10 minutes off my time; I came in at 4:02:24, so I'm pretty happy about that. 

the course was actually 26.7 miles long, several people with GPS watches confirmed this.  so your 26.2 time was actually under 4:00.  congrats!

And given that SO much of it is a loop (literally a ton through Crystal City is just up and down the same street during the last 3 miles), it didn't really take your mind off how terrible your legs felt. 

on our way in to crystal city the classic rock cover band were at the outro guitar solo of "comfortably numb", on the way out they started "teenage wasteland".  totally worked for me, but yeah - that crystal city in-and-out sucked.  it's not like that area is particularly interesting to look at in the first place, and they subject runners to it twice?  thanks, organizers.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: vansmack on November 01, 2010, 12:50:56 pm
"teenage wasteland"

Baba O'Reilly
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on November 01, 2010, 06:07:59 pm
Looks like they're gone through 38% of the pictures and have started loading them to the site for purchase.  Thanks to those 6 photographers sitting in the middle of the course around the 18 mile mark or so (could've been much earlier), there seem to be some great shots of me almost running them over.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: ggw on November 06, 2010, 12:42:00 pm
Two of the guys in that classic rock cover band live on my block. They were very happy to hear that you enjoyed them. Last year they were at Wisconsin and M. I told them that Crystal City was much better because everyone needs auditory motivation much more after mile 20 than after mile 3
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on November 06, 2010, 11:58:03 pm
definitely better at the 20.  also, they were at the top of the out-and-back in crystal city so we got to catch them twice - great positioning.  the missus was dreading the crystal city out-and-back, the music made it a tad more tolerable.  i was vaguely tempted to let her do the loop by herself while i hung out and listened to the band, and catch her on the way back from the loop.

but i decided the band wasn't worth sleeping on the couch for.  still, please give them a thumbs us from me.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: vansmack on December 07, 2010, 02:23:42 pm
Just a quick thank you to everyone in this thread who passed on tips for running, especially ggw, nkotb, godsshoeshine, Rhett & Celeste, Mobius, Grotty and PigIron...I'm sure there are more.

I finished my first half marathon this weekend and used a lot of the information that was in this thread.

Thanks again,

Smackie
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: walkonby on December 07, 2010, 02:35:53 pm
what . . . none of my information was used?
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: vansmack on December 07, 2010, 02:39:59 pm
what . . . none of my information was used?

Well, I did run the whole time hoping to see someone crap themselves or get tripped by the water volunteers, but it ended up being a huge disappointment.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on February 23, 2011, 03:08:55 pm
Heads up to my fellow runners...Marine Corps Marathon registration started today. Last year it sold out in six days.


This is the 20 year anniversary of my first marathon (NYC, 1991). I thought about doing NYC this year, but since it's a bitch to get into and the entry fee is around $200, I plotted something different. To celebrate 20 years of marathon running, I'm going to attempt to complete two marathons in the month of October 2011.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on February 23, 2011, 03:52:05 pm
Happy 20 year anniversary!  How is the Marine Corps?  Good luck on your goal!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on February 23, 2011, 04:07:45 pm
Thanks. I figured since I did a 23 mile training run last year, why not tack three miles onto the long training run and do two marathons?

What can I say? The Marine Corps is very hard (for me). Just like any other marathon.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: ggw on February 23, 2011, 04:10:43 pm
What are the two?  Marine Corps and Chicago?
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on February 23, 2011, 04:15:54 pm
A good guess, given my Chicago family connection. But I'm probably opting for the upstate New York family option, and going with the Mohawk-Hudson River Marathon the same weekend. Supposedly a very fast course that alot of people use to qualify for Boston. Though there's 0 chance of that happening for me.


What are the two?  Marines Corp and Chicago?
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on February 24, 2011, 08:50:23 am
That sounds pretty.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: walkonby on February 24, 2011, 01:53:57 pm
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3431444/Worlds-first-robot-marathon-begins.html


and they don't drink beer.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on February 24, 2011, 02:20:07 pm
and they don't drink beer.

then why do they bother running?
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: godsshoeshine on February 24, 2011, 04:57:14 pm
Heads up to my fellow runners...Marine Corps Marathon registration started today. Last year it sold out in six days.
i'm in
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Jaguar on February 24, 2011, 07:38:58 pm
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3431444/Worlds-first-robot-marathon-begins.html


and they don't drink beer.

Depends on how they are programmed.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on September 19, 2011, 02:19:26 pm
I slogged through 22 horribly slow miles Saturday on a gravelly/rocky/hilly unpaved trail in preparation for the two marathons I'm running in October.

Anybody else doing one (or more) this Fall?
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: vansmack on September 19, 2011, 02:26:55 pm
Anybody else doing one (or more) this Fall?

I haven't turned the corner on running a full yet, but I have two more half marathon's coming up:  San Jose at the end of this month and Vegas in early December.  That will put me at 6 half marathons this year.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on September 19, 2011, 02:34:26 pm
Congratulations! No doubt you'll do a full one sometime soon...

Anybody else doing one (or more) this Fall?

I haven't turned the corner on running a full yet, but I have two more half marathon's coming up:  San Jose at the end of this month and Vegas in early December.  That will put me at 6 half marathons this year.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: ggw on September 19, 2011, 02:43:41 pm
I slogged through 20 horribly slow miles on Saturday on an unpaved but completely flat C&O Canal towpath. I ran the whole thing with no walk breaks, which was good, but I also finished well over 3 hours, which is not a good thing. I lost 6-7 weeks of prime training time in July and August due to a foot issue, so I can't really complain. I will definitely finish the Marine Corps Marathon again, but it will likely be my slowest one ever.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on September 19, 2011, 02:50:05 pm
Well over three hours aint bad for 20...

I was 59 minutes slower for my 22 miles than I was for my 20 miler two weeks ago on a flat unpaved Seattle trail.

My 22 miler Saturday was 17 minutes slower than my MCMarathon 2010 time.

I did discover that my aching knee actually feels less painful at mile 21 than it does at mile 1. Likely because by then the rest of me is aching as well.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on September 19, 2011, 03:22:35 pm
I am running the Baltimore 1/2 and the Phili Marathon this fall.  First marathon!  I am very slow, but I don't care.  I ran the Charm City Run 20 miler at the NCR Trail in MD a few weeks ago and it took me 4 1/2 hours.  But, it was the farthest I ran thus far and I had a total breakdown at mile 18 and had to walk.  I'm working on not having mental breakdowns.  I figure I used to have them at 8 miles, so...progress!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on October 20, 2011, 08:27:56 am
Anyone running the nation's 1/2 March 17th?
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on October 20, 2011, 02:25:08 pm
Rock-n-Roll Half, no?

And yes, I'm in!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: ggw on October 20, 2011, 02:51:54 pm
I'm in as well. Nice course but not the most organized operation. Hopefully the switch to Rock'n Roll sponsorship will change that.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on October 20, 2011, 03:03:15 pm
I don't know, this makes it sound too tempting to drop out before the finish...


In true Rock ?n? Roll fashion, Washington DC runners will be treated to a post-race finish line concert after the event. All runners receive free entry to the concert, which in 2010 featured headliner acts including Everclear, Five for Fighting, Pat Benatar & REO Speedwagon, Blues Traveler, Neon Trees and Bret Michaels.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on October 20, 2011, 03:04:29 pm
I did my first of two marathons this month on 10/9. Temps were over 80 degrees, a bit of walking was involved, and my finish time was dreadful. One to go, then I'm retired.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on October 20, 2011, 03:29:35 pm
I did my first of two marathons this month on 10/9. Temps were over 80 degrees, a bit of walking was involved, and my finish time was dreadful. One to go, then I'm retired.

Chicago then Marine Corps?  I'm doing Marine Corps, then Rehoboth in December!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on October 20, 2011, 03:30:32 pm
I don't know, this makes it sound too tempting to drop out before the finish...


In true Rock ?n? Roll fashion, Washington DC runners will be treated to a post-race finish line concert after the event. All runners receive free entry to the concert, which in 2010 featured headliner acts including Everclear, Five for Fighting, Pat Benatar & REO Speedwagon, Blues Traveler, Neon Trees and Bret Michaels.

Fortunately, I think those were all *different* races.  Cannot imagine what kind of train wreck it would be with all of them in one place at one time!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on October 20, 2011, 03:40:25 pm
The Mohawk-Hudson Marathon that goes from Schenectadt NY to Albany NY. Supposed to be downhill and easy, many go there to set their PR's. Needless to say, I didn't set mine.

I've never done Chicago and likely never will. My wife has and did her PR.. It's flat and fast. The course, that is.


I did my first of two marathons this month on 10/9. Temps were over 80 degrees, a bit of walking was involved, and my finish time was dreadful. One to go, then I'm retired.

Chicago then Marine Corps?  I'm doing Marine Corps, then Rehoboth in December!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on October 20, 2011, 03:42:48 pm
Is registration still open for this?  I've been way behind looking into races (only ever done two marathons and an 8k), so I'd love to try more.

Anyone running the nation's 1/2 March 17th?
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on October 20, 2011, 03:46:15 pm
Is registration still open for this?  I've been way behind looking into races (only ever done two marathons and an 8k), so I'd love to try more.

Anyone running the nation's 1/2 March 17th?

Yep!

http://runrocknroll.competitor.com/usa
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on October 27, 2011, 03:26:27 pm
Marathon Thoughts

http://youtu.be/NsMw10KVVCk
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on October 27, 2011, 04:15:22 pm
so who's running this sunday?

i'll be there, supporting the missus.  last year i ran the last 5 miles with her, but i'm having issues with my left hammy at the moment.  i'm currently listed as "questionable".

it's going to be another cold one: low saturday night of 37, eventually warming up to 54 (but only well after the marathon).
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on October 28, 2011, 02:53:48 pm
First time I've ever had to go through metal detectors to pick up a free t-shirt. I could see delays for those who go at the wrong time.

Drew Carey is running in it this year. He did the half in 1:57 in May. Which means he's likely to beat me on Sunday.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: ggw on October 28, 2011, 03:13:50 pm
I am skipping it again this year.  I got achilles tendonitis at the end of September and spent 3 weeks in an air cast.  I had done a 20 mile run by that point so I figured I would be fine for the marathon if the tendon healed in time.  It's about 80% healed, which just isn't good enough for 26.2.  Getting old sucks.

I think the weather tomorrow is going to be perfect marathon weather. 

Break a leg Ford.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on October 31, 2011, 09:35:05 am
After many years of trying, I finally won the Marine Corps Marathon!

The marathon itself is nothing. It's trying to navigate your way through the bullshit beyond the finish line that's the real bitch.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on November 01, 2011, 11:28:33 am
Fell short of my time goal, but cut 50 minutes off my previous MCM time....   :)
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on November 01, 2011, 03:19:36 pm
sunday was a gorgeous day for watching the marathon after it warmed up a few degrees.  i caught the missus at miles 1, 4, 10, 15 and 17.  ran 20-22 and 24-end with her.  the was in total pain for the last few miles and it was the cheering of the crowd that got her up that last little hill at the finish (i had a great time running behind her and pumping up the crowd).  just like last year, she pushed herself in ways that i didn't know a person could.  finished in a time that would have qualified her for boston last year but this year they moved it back 5 mins so she's just out. 

is there a word that combines indescribable admiration, immense pride and total awe?  'cause that's how i feel about her performance on sunday.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on November 01, 2011, 04:00:22 pm
So when are you going to get off your lazy ass and do one, Sweetcell?  ;)
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: hutch on November 01, 2011, 04:08:15 pm
is a little more than 4 hours to complete the marathon a good time?

Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on November 01, 2011, 04:13:48 pm
The average marathon times slowed a bit in 2010 compared to 2009. Median times dropped from 4:25:49 to 4:28:48 across all runners from 2009 to 2010; from 4:41:54 to 4:44:19 for women; and from 4:14:23 to 4:17:36 for men.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on November 01, 2011, 11:18:06 pm
So when are you going to get off your lazy ass and do one, Sweetcell?  ;)

short answer: never.  long answer: definitely never :)  running 26.2 is an amazing accomplishment but i'm not naturally built for endurance and i don't have the discipline nor the motivation (currently) to carry me through the required months of training.  yet another reason why i admire my wife!  i have a decent tolerance for pain when needed, but i don't see myself carrying on for the sake of completing the race.  i have no doubt that somewhere between miles 14 to 18, i'd say "eff this" and collapse on the nearest sidewalk.  then i'd call a cab (or an ambulance).  it's just not my thing but i admire those who can pull it off.

is a little more than 4 hours to complete the marathon a good time?
as a non-marathoner but someone who is a little familiar with the realities of marathoning, i say that 4 hours is very impressive.  i'm an occasional runner (always less than 8 miles) and if i were to run 26.2, my stretch goal would probably be ~4:30 with ~4:45 being more realistic.  so anything around 4:00 is damn impressive, IMO.  my wife, who is very fit and trains seriously, finished her first marathon a little under 4:00 and was over the moon with her result.  this year she ran 3:36 ;D
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: hutch on November 01, 2011, 11:25:22 pm
well this wasn't my friends first marathon...

he was on pace to do better but lost some speed the last 10 miles..basically he struggled at the end.



i'm a pretty tough judge and if i ran a marathon and couldn't finish strong i'd be pretty dissapointed..



then again i've never run more than a mile.

Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on November 02, 2011, 11:14:30 am
Celeb running report from Marine Corps:  Drew Carey

http://drewfromtv.blogspot.com/2011/10/ol-blood-and-guts.html
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on November 02, 2011, 12:22:10 pm
Quote


I want to do it again next year.
 

rock on.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on November 03, 2011, 08:20:18 am
sunday was a gorgeous day for watching the marathon after it warmed up a few degrees.  i caught the missus at miles 1, 4, 10, 15 and 17.  ran 20-22 and 24-end with her.  the was in total pain for the last few miles and it was the cheering of the crowd that got her up that last little hill at the finish (i had a great time running behind her and pumping up the crowd).  just like last year, she pushed herself in ways that i didn't know a person could.  finished in a time that would have qualified her for boston last year but this year they moved it back 5 mins so she's just out. 

is there a word that combines indescribable admiration, immense pride and total awe?  'cause that's how i feel about her performance on sunday.

That is so sweet.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on November 03, 2011, 08:22:27 am

is a little more than 4 hours to complete the marathon a good time?
as a non-marathoner but someone who is a little familiar with the realities of marathoning, i say that 4 hours is very impressive.  i'm an occasional runner (always less than 8 miles) and if i were to run 26.2, my stretch goal would probably be ~4:30 with ~4:45 being more realistic.  so anything around 4:00 is damn impressive, IMO.  my wife, who is very fit and trains seriously, finished her first marathon a little under 4:00 and was over the moon with her result.  this year she ran 3:36 ;D
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Finishing in 4 or under 4 is definitely impressive.  I ran my first 1/2 in May and am running my first marathon in 2 weeks and figure my finishing time to be about 5 1/2 hours.  If I'm lucky.  Working up to that speed takes alot of work!  Kudos to your wife!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Ardamus on November 03, 2011, 10:33:09 am
yep. will be looking at this thread for more advice on running a marathon. i've considered it before but i'm so out of shape, i gave up on the whole notion.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: ggw on November 03, 2011, 10:50:52 am
Does anybody do that barefoot / Vibram 5-Finger thing? 

Given the nagging injuries I have had over the past couple of years, I am thinking about giving it a try.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on November 03, 2011, 11:00:18 am
Speaking of barefoot, my friend and I hiked Old Rag a couple of weeks ago on a weekday. While there, we saw this hippie guy with a gaggle of really young kids and a couple of women. The guy and kids were hiking BAREFOOT. Any of you who have been to Old Rag know how crazy that is.

My second thought (after "barefoot!") when i saw them was "homeschoolers". My friends was "polygamists".

Sorry for the thread hijack. With my flat feet i don't think i'm a good candidate for barefoot running!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on November 03, 2011, 11:51:59 am
Does anybody do that barefoot / Vibram 5-Finger thing? 

Given the nagging injuries I have had over the past couple of years, I am thinking about giving it a try.

I don't run in those, but I do run in Newtons.  They were recommended to me by my sister, who also runs in them after 2 ACL surgeries.  I love them.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on November 03, 2011, 12:14:19 pm
But for the love of god, whatever you do GGW, don't wear then in public when not running.

Does anybody do that barefoot / Vibram 5-Finger thing? 

Given the nagging injuries I have had over the past couple of years, I am thinking about giving it a try.

I don't run in those, but I do run in Newtons.  They were recommended to me by my sister, who also runs in them after 2 ACL surgeries.  I love them.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on November 03, 2011, 02:01:09 pm
But for the love of god, whatever you do GGW, don't wear then in public when not running. Because if you do, we're no longer related!

Does anybody do that barefoot / Vibram 5-Finger thing? 

Given the nagging injuries I have had over the past couple of years, I am thinking about giving it a try.

I don't run in those, but I do run in Newtons.  They were recommended to me by my sister, who also runs in them after 2 ACL surgeries.  I love them.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: ggw on November 03, 2011, 02:24:32 pm
When I'm not running, I am in my Crocs.

But for the love of god, whatever you do GGW, don't wear then in public when not running.

Does anybody do that barefoot / Vibram 5-Finger thing? 

Given the nagging injuries I have had over the past couple of years, I am thinking about giving it a try.

I don't run in those, but I do run in Newtons.  They were recommended to me by my sister, who also runs in them after 2 ACL surgeries.  I love them.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on November 03, 2011, 03:02:31 pm
Does anybody do that barefoot / Vibram 5-Finger thing? 

Given the nagging injuries I have had over the past couple of years, I am thinking about giving it a try.

yeah, the missus has been running in them a little.  hasn't recently only because marathon training got in the way - you need to work your way into them, a little at a time and gradually ramping up the distance.  when she runs again i'm sure she'll get more into them.  feel free to ask her about 'em next time we meet up, she loves geeking out about running.  if anything, it'll prevent you two from launching into a dorky international policy debate... ;D

another reason to get into barefoot running, even if you never plan to run a race barefoot: i saw a number of people cross the finish line in their socks with their shoes in their hands.  over 26 miles their shoes gave them blisters, and the only way to finish was to take them off.  i bet those folks wishes they had practiced running barefoot a little.

if only bras could cause blisters... ;D
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on November 08, 2011, 11:50:00 pm
Does anybody do that barefoot / Vibram 5-Finger thing? 

Given the nagging injuries I have had over the past couple of years, I am thinking about giving it a try.

yeah, the missus has been running in them a little.  hasn't recently only because marathon training got in the way - you need to work your way into them, a little at a time and gradually ramping up the distance.  when she runs again i'm sure she'll get more into them.  feel free to ask her about 'em next time we meet up, she loves geeking out about running.  if anything, it'll prevent you two from launching into a dorky international policy debate... ;D

hey ggw: the missus sends you this link (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/magazine/running-christopher-mcdougall.html?_r=2&src=me&ref=general).  happy reading.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: vansmack on November 09, 2011, 01:08:16 pm
if anything, it'll prevent you two from launching into a dorky international policy debate... ;D

I miss ggw...
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: ggw on November 09, 2011, 02:28:25 pm
if anything, it'll prevent you two from launching into a dorky international policy debate... ;D

I miss ggw...

When are you in town?  We need to have the High Rollers Survival Pool Payoff Lunch.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on November 16, 2011, 05:54:40 pm
(moving threads)

For only $10 more the Founders brunch at Meridian is a slam dunk compared to that one.

this is the first i've heard of this brunch - why didn't you tell us about it before?!?
http://dcbeer.com/2011/11/15/meridian-pint-hosts-founders-beer-brunch/

the founders brunch is actually $25 more - there is an obligatory $10 gratuity and $5 tax, so $65 total.

i'm running a 15 km that morning... this might be the perfect recoup meal ;D

You running the hot chocolate race?? Pretty sure I'm doing the same...but 5k, I'm a wuss.

yup.  15k (9.3 miles) will be the longest distance i've ever run.  did a 7-mile training run on sunday and it went just fine, so another few weeks of training and i should be in good shape to achieve my desired time of 1:15.

realistically i won't make it to the founders' brunch.  i'd either have to go straight from the race to the 11 am seating and smell like someone who just came from a race; or rip myself up off the coach once i got home to make the second seating... doubtful that will happen.  i'll buy myself a few bottles of founders and enjoy them at home.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on November 17, 2011, 10:04:44 am
That looks like it will be a really fun race.  I would have also run it (the 5K), but it's the week after the Philly marathon, so I'm out.  It also ticked me off that they don't have day-of packet pickup for that race and i didn't want to drive to the national harbor 2 days in a row!  BUT, it looks like it will be a good time!

Good luck!  That's a pretty lofty 9 mile time!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on November 21, 2011, 03:34:49 pm
Official marathon finisher :)
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Brian_Wallace on November 21, 2011, 03:38:39 pm
Official marathon finisher :)

Congratulations.  Fantastic accomplishment.  I was going to add, as a marathon tip, don't run one in Philadelphia.

Brian
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: vansmack on November 21, 2011, 07:49:36 pm
Official marathon finisher :)

Damn - that was fast.  You went from a non runner to a marathon finisher in under a year, right?
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: ggw on November 22, 2011, 09:50:59 am
Congratulations!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on November 22, 2011, 11:01:11 am
Official marathon finisher :)

Damn - that was fast.  You went from a non runner to a marathon finisher in under a year, right?

I started running in 2002, but only 1-2 miles until 2009.  Ran some 5Ks/10Ks in 2009/2010 and decided to train for a 1/2 last February.  Ran my first 1/2 in May and trained for a marathon this summer.  So, pretty much, yes!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on November 22, 2011, 11:01:56 am
oops.  This February.  So, yeah, in 2010, I went from having run 3 5Ks and 2 10Ks to completing a marathon.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on November 22, 2011, 11:10:01 am
oops.  This February.  So, yeah, in 2010, I went from having run 3 5Ks and 2 10Ks to completing a marathon.

in 2011?
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on November 22, 2011, 12:00:52 pm
yes, 2011.  I'm out of it!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on March 07, 2012, 04:42:38 pm
Just registered for Marine Corps 2012! 
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on March 07, 2012, 04:54:46 pm
The pain I'm experiencing in my knee is telling me I should sit this one out.

Just wish you didn't have to decide on a late October race in early March.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on March 09, 2012, 09:45:05 am
Just registered for Marine Corps 2012! 

Fastest sell-out of a marathon ever! 

Anyone running Rock and Roll DC next Saturday?  I'm in for the 1/2.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on March 09, 2012, 10:43:13 am
Yep - I'm running the 1/2 also!  I'll be the sweaty guy at the finish line trying to find a place where I don't have to listen to Switchfoot.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on March 09, 2012, 10:46:27 am
I will also be running away from that. 
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on April 09, 2012, 03:30:07 pm
Not necessarily "marathon" related, but for you guys/gals that run during lunch...how do you do it?

With a kid at home and another on the way, my time is super limited.  I've been trying to work out in the evenings, but still want to get a run in.  And I hate waking up early, so I've been trying to run at lunch.  It was fine during the cooler months, but even today after 5 miles, I'm sweating like a pig.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on April 09, 2012, 03:36:19 pm
Will I get in trouble if I say that i run for more than my 30 allotted lunch minutes? And that i do it any time of the day i feel like going? I have a gym with showers that is part of my work.

My wife used to work out (and sometimes run) at lunch, she had a gym next door to her work building.


Is is the shower you are lacking, or do you just hate running midday because of the heat?


Not necessarily "marathon" related, but for you guys/gals that run during lunch...how do you do it?

With a kid at home and another on the way, my time is super limited.  I've been trying to work out in the evenings, but still want to get a run in.  And I hate waking up early, so I've been trying to run at lunch.  It was fine during the cooler months, but even today after 5 miles, I'm sweating like a pig.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on April 09, 2012, 03:38:45 pm
Mostly the shower.  I've take to wiping down with baby wipes, so while that's OK...I'm not at my freshest, let's say.

The heat during midday is going to get back, so we'll see what happens then.  But I can pretty much take my jog whenever I like, given my time during the day.

Will I get in trouble if I say that i run for more than my 30 allotted lunch minutes? And that i do it any time of the day i feel like going? I have a gym with showers that is part of my work.

My wife used to work out (and sometimes run) at lunch, she had a gym next door to her work building.


Is is the shower you are lacking, or do you just hate running midday because of the heat?


Not necessarily "marathon" related, but for you guys/gals that run during lunch...how do you do it?

With a kid at home and another on the way, my time is super limited.  I've been trying to work out in the evenings, but still want to get a run in.  And I hate waking up early, so I've been trying to run at lunch.  It was fine during the cooler months, but even today after 5 miles, I'm sweating like a pig.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on April 09, 2012, 03:55:45 pm
Sorry - not much help here.  I wake up around 5:00 and run before work.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: vansmack on April 09, 2012, 05:56:53 pm
First off, don't have kids.  They ruin your life.  Have friends who have kids so you can get your fill and leave when you've had enough.

Since you've already blown the first rule, there are a couple of options.  I used to let a buddy use my place during the day to change/shower as his place of work was right next to my apt.  He'd leave a bottle of wine on my counter every now and then as a thank you.  Does anybody you know live by where you work?

Because you live in a too cold then too hot weather city, a gym membership is another possibility that was already mentioned.  You could get better use of it when it's too cold to run outside, and just as a place to shower during the spring and fall.

Lastly, any Turkish Bath houses around?
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on April 10, 2012, 08:28:58 am
I run after work.  I just can't get motivated to run at 5am.  I would run at lunch if we had a shower here.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on April 10, 2012, 09:39:16 am
I wish we had talked 3 years and one month ago :(

It's really not that big of a deal...if I don't have meetings, I don't mind stinking a bit.  I was more curious how people were able to pull it off during the day.  I live really close to my office...but adding in the extra 30 minutes to drive home, shower, and get back cuts into my run time, so I'd rather not do that.

Not a bad idea about the gym, though.  There's one of those 24 hour places up the street.  I'll have to check in on the cost, but that could work.

First off, don't have kids.  They ruin your life.  Have friends who have kids so you can get your fill and leave when you've had enough.

Since you've already blown the first rule, there are a couple of options.  I used to let a buddy use my place during the day to change/shower as his place of work was right next to my apt.  He'd leave a bottle of wine on my counter every now and then as a thank you.  Does anybody you know live by where you work?

Because you live in a too cold then too hot weather city, a gym membership is another possibility that was already mentioned.  You could get better use of it when it's too cold to run outside, and just as a place to shower during the spring and fall.

Lastly, any Turkish Bath houses around?
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on April 10, 2012, 09:40:53 am
And yeah, I can't get motivated to do anything earlier than about 7am.

It was nice when my kid was a bit younger; he was light enough that jogging in the running stroller wasn't too bad, and was content to sit or even nap while I ran in the morning.  But once he learned to walk/run, and once he got to 30 pounds, it's been a little more difficult to take him in the mornings.  Especially since every running route for me has at least one killer hill.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on April 10, 2012, 10:44:41 am
My friends who have kids are the only runners in the family.  So, their spouse/signif other watches the kid(s) while the other goes for a run.

Pushing kids in jogging strollers is hard work!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: vansmack on August 16, 2012, 02:11:47 pm
Yes, that Boff Whalley....


Running in the wild
Aug 4th 2012 | from the Economist print edition

Run Wild. By Boff Whalley. Simon & Schuster; 279 pages; 14.99. To be published in America in September; $27.95.

TO BOFF WHALLEY, running isn?t about pounding the pavements or a treadmill. It?s the ?mud, spit and sweat? of running in the wild, through forests, up and down scraggy hills, in sunshine, rain and snow. In ?Run Wild? Mr Whalley took a year out to write a paean to fell running, the sport he first discovered with his father near his home in Lancashire, and has been enjoying around the world for the past quarter-century, alongside his day job playing in a rock band, Chumbawamba.

Urban running never appealed to Mr Whalley. The marathon is his bugbear. He wonders why so many people suffer pain and boredom in order to join the ?Sunday service at the shrine of concrete?. (He tried it once.) He reiterates this point to the verge of ranting, but his disdain for marathons is inversely proportional to his love of wild running, which sings from the pages.

Running into the wilderness seems like a simple adventure, but Mr Whalley describes some singular experiences. He conveys the lashing of a dash through a Delaware rainstorm, and the elation of feeling ?closer to sky than to sea? on the Bob Graham Round, a gruelling 24-hour circuit of England?s highest peaks. He recalls a winter?s run at dusk in the Lake District, where his panting figure on a ridge cast two shadows, one from the setting sun, the other from the rising moon. Mr Whalley?s stories tempt readers to put down the book and run for the nearest mountain.

But the rewards of this book come when Mr Whalley ventures further than his two feet into literature, science and social history. He runs a trail near Leeds trudged by thousands of 19th-century millworkers, where ?history sticks to the soles of your feet?, and he remembers the textile workers of the Luddite rebellion who protested against new mechanised looms. Mr Whalley cites research that blames built environments for the rise in obesity (all those cars and escalators), and he considers the psychology of the runner?s mind. A wintry run around Walden Pond in Massachusetts finds him musing on the transcendentalist writings of Henry David Thoreau. Other nature evangelists get a mention too, such as John Muir and Samuel Taylor Coleridge.

Mr Whalley admits that his book gets lost at times, claiming that his head follows his feet. But his tug-you-by-the-sleeve style and thoughtful asides make for an engaging journey. On one run in Yosemite national park, he escapes the tourist trail for the mountaintop and stops to exclaim, ?This is a place to shout poetry into.? So he does, choosing Muir: ?The power of imagination makes us infinite!?

Books by professional sportsmen can read like divine proclamations for the consumption of mere mortals. Mr Whalley?s amateur approach feels more egalitarian?an ethos developed perhaps during a youth of odd jobs and guitar-strumming in a squat in Leeds. This is not a how-to guide, but a call to legs: anyone can, and should, escape urban life and run, he writes. And it should be fun. This energising read will spark a desire to head for the hills.

http://www.economist.com/node/21559910
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on October 09, 2012, 08:25:52 am
So who's doing what marathon in the next few weeks?

I did a 20 mile training run at the end of August and was planning on entering the Baltimore Marathon. Then I broke a rib 3.5 weeks ago, and haven't run since. Sucks to sit on the sidelines this year after I was that close.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on October 09, 2012, 11:18:13 am
Marine Corps (again) on the 28th.  Had to slow waaaay down the last couple of weeks due to nagging leg pain.  I guess I won't PR this year....
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on October 09, 2012, 11:34:36 am
No big races for me for a while...way too busy.  I need to start looking into smaller ones, just to keep moving.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on October 09, 2012, 11:57:38 am
helping the missus with her MC prep, and i will run the last 5 miles with her... do i get partial credit for that?  
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on October 09, 2012, 01:04:11 pm
I am running Baltimore (marathon) on Saturday.  Hoping I get over this stupid fall cold by then!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on October 15, 2012, 12:22:31 pm
Congratulations on your marathon victory! Seems like it was a good weather day.

I am running Baltimore (marathon) on Saturday.  Hoping I get over this stupid fall cold by then!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on October 15, 2012, 03:32:04 pm
Thanks!  It was a really great day for running Saturday!  And I met Lew Ford and Troy Patton on the way to the car!  I was running in my Orioles colors, of course!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: stevewizzle on October 15, 2012, 06:40:48 pm
anyone know anyone who has run the great wall marathon?  i'm thinking about doing it, but perhaps just the half.  i'm not sure my first marathon should be this insane, but it's still far enough away to train for.

http://www.great-wall-marathon.com/Themarathon.aspx
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on October 16, 2012, 09:01:24 am
You're going to go all the way to China to run a half marathon? Please tell me you're joking.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on October 16, 2012, 09:55:33 am
You're going to go all the way to China to run a half marathon? Please tell me you're joking.

ford, in all seriousness, what's the problem with this?  your "tell me you're joking" comment makes you sound really... boring.  but maybe i'm misinterpreting.

i think it's a wonderful idea.  talk about motivation to train, and what amazing views you'll have during the race.  i've been to the great wall before - heed the website's warning that it will be a very VERY hilly course.  you'll be running up and down stairs at some points.  if you can swing this trip, do it!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on October 16, 2012, 10:26:17 am
I know this is going to sound harsh, but I'm just amazed that anyone who is able bodied and under the age of 90 would find any kind of challenge at all in running 13.1 miles. Half marathons are for 300 pound middle aged fat chicks. You're going to travel all the way to China to run something as pedestrian as a half marathon? Come on, step up your fucking game!

You're going to go all the way to China to run a half marathon? Please tell me you're joking.

ford, in all seriousness, what's the problem with this?  your "tell me you're joking" comment makes you sound really... boring.  but maybe i'm misinterpreting.

i think it's a wonderful idea.  talk about motivation to train, and what amazing views you'll have during the race.  i've been to the great wall before - heed the website's warning that it will be a very VERY hilly course.  you'll be running up and down stairs at some points.  if you can swing this trip, do it!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: stevewizzle on October 16, 2012, 10:32:44 am
i think it's a wonderful idea.  talk about motivation to train, and what amazing views you'll have during the race.  i've been to the great wall before - heed the website's warning that it will be a very VERY hilly course.  you'll be running up and down stairs at some points.  if you can swing this trip, do it!

thanks sweetcell. the pictures seem to be a pretty hefty warning.  better start getting that hill training in if i'm doing this.

You're going to go all the way to China to run a half marathon? Please tell me you're joking.


friend lives in beijing, i was planning a two-week visit, and a couple friends who are coming along started the idea. it's not like i'm flying in the day before and flying out the day after.

and shit man... it's the great wall.  i'm not much for competitive running, but if i'm already going, and i'm already going to see the great wall, why not run it?  whenever friends come into town, we "run dc", which basically is a half marathon seeing all the different monuments, etc. it pretty much cuts the tourist time in half, and it's a good workout.  
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: stevewizzle on October 16, 2012, 10:34:32 am
I know this is going to sound harsh, but I'm just amazed that anyone who is able bodied and under the age of 90 would find any kind of challenge at all in running 13.1 miles. Half marathons are for 300 pound middle aged fat chicks. You're going to travel all the way to China to run something as pedestrian as a half marathon? Come on, step up your fucking game!

You're going to go all the way to China to run a half marathon? Please tell me you're joking.

ford, in all seriousness, what's the problem with this?  your "tell me you're joking" comment makes you sound really... boring.  but maybe i'm misinterpreting.

i think it's a wonderful idea.  talk about motivation to train, and what amazing views you'll have during the race.  i've been to the great wall before - heed the website's warning that it will be a very VERY hilly course.  you'll be running up and down stairs at some points.  if you can swing this trip, do it!

damn, hate!

that's why i'm asking for advice, ford.  i said "maybe half" as in, i'm in between the half and the full.  the full looks insane, look at that altitude map.  i'm not gonna sign up for the full just so i can roll down the downhill portion of the wall and die.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on October 16, 2012, 10:35:19 am
Well if you were already going anyway...that changes my whole answer.

Go for it. You gotta do it! 13.1 or 26.2, doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on October 16, 2012, 11:42:37 am
I know this is going to sound harsh, but I'm just amazed that anyone who is able bodied and under the age of 90 would find any kind of challenge at all in running 13.1 miles. Half marathons are for 300 pound middle aged fat chicks. You're going to travel all the way to China to run something as pedestrian as a half marathon? Come on, step up your fucking game!

not so much harsh as completely up your own ass ;D
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on October 16, 2012, 02:10:26 pm
1/2 Marathons are still challenging.  I don't think anyone should be disparaging anyone else for wanting to get off the sofa and run a bit.  Be it a 5K, 10K, 1/2, or full.  Marathons are difficult and 1/2 Marathons are also very challenging.  Do what you want and have fun.

Would I recommend the great wall marathon for your first?  No, but that's only because the distance itself is quite a challenge and I can't imagine running 26.2 when it seems like alot of it would be climbing A TON of stairs, but it also might be really beautiful and different.

I would try one stateside first before committing to China though.  Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on November 09, 2012, 11:33:24 am
Hey runners, any tips on good heart rate monitors?  I bought a shitty one that turned out to be really shitty, and was smashed in a rage during a run.

I don't need one with the GPS or anything...and I'd like one that I can use during other workouts, etc.  Ideally it will auto-take my heartrate without me doing anything, but that's not the end of the world if not.  Any tips?
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on November 09, 2012, 11:51:28 am
I have heard good things about Polar heart rate monitors.  But, I don't have personal experience with one.  I run with the Garmin 410.  You can add the heart rate monitor to that, but I never have.

Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: vansmack on November 09, 2012, 01:30:26 pm
Hey runners, any tips on good heart rate monitors? 

The only one I've ever used was a beta version of the MOTOACTV one.  I was an early adopter of the motoactv watch/mp3/gps and they sent me a HR monitor to use.  It worked really well with the watch, but it's not useful without the watch.

Personally, HR monitors have never been something I've needed, so I haven't tried any. Sorry.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on November 09, 2012, 02:20:25 pm
Hey runners, any tips on good heart rate monitors?  I bought a shitty one that turned out to be really shitty, and was smashed in a rage during a run.

I don't need one with the GPS or anything...and I'd like one that I can use during other workouts, etc.  Ideally it will auto-take my heartrate without me doing anything, but that's not the end of the world if not.  Any tips?

the missus has a garmin watch with the optional chest-band heart monitor, but she doesn't use it.  i tried it once and didn't quite get the point.  then again i'm not a serious runner and i'm not training for anything. 

nkotb, what do you use heart info for?  do you vary your pace based on heart rate?  do you analyze afterwards and tweak future runs?  is it just for curiosity's sake?
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Relaxer on November 09, 2012, 03:20:48 pm
Well I believe nkotb is 74 years old, so heart monitoring is a keen interest of his.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on November 09, 2012, 03:23:17 pm
DING DING DING!

Nah, mostly for calorie burns, tracking conditioning, etc.  My ideal combo is one that keeps time and monitors heart rate..

Well I believe nkotb is 74 years old, so heart monitoring is a keen interest of his.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on December 10, 2012, 09:27:26 am
Anyone have any spring races planned?  Am running the Shamrock 1/2, Pittsburgh 1/2, and Nike Women's 1/2 (with team in training).  Will hopefully get into Marine Corps Marathon this year.

Training starts Saturday!  Which is good because it's time to start running for real again.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on December 10, 2012, 12:07:43 pm
Ran Rehoboth over the weekend with a 16-minute negative split :o  Gonna take some time off from racing until the Rock-n-Roll Half in March.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: vansmack on December 10, 2012, 03:06:47 pm
Anyone have any spring races planned? 

Kaiser Half through Golden Gate Park on Super Bowl Sunday and one other one before the Napa to Sonoma Half in July.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on March 14, 2013, 11:12:26 am
It sucks that they made the MCM registration this year on a day smack dab in the middle of what is Spring Break week for alot of people/families. I'm going to have to put off going to the beach until later in the day so I can get my ass to an internet cafe where hopefully I'll be able to register and nobody will steal my credit card info.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Relaxer on March 14, 2013, 11:36:30 am
You should probably post your credit card info here so that we can all be on the lookout for it and let you know if we see it being used for nefarious purposes.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on March 14, 2013, 12:08:21 pm
It sucks that they made the MCM registration this year on a day smack dab in the middle of what is Spring Break week for alot of people/families. I'm going to have to put off going to the beach until later in the day so I can get my ass to an internet cafe where hopefully I'll be able to register and nobody will steal my credit card info.

Good.  Maybe it will be easier for some of us to register.  I'm worried that it's going to be a fiasco like chicago.

anyone running shamrock this weekend?  I will be there!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: vansmack on March 14, 2013, 01:09:05 pm
I'm worried that it's going to be a fiasco like chicago.

I was just asked to run Chicago - tell me more......
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on March 14, 2013, 01:18:31 pm
anyone running shamrock this weekend?  I will be there!

I'm running the RNR half...
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on March 14, 2013, 01:45:30 pm
My wife did her personal record at Chicago. Very flat, fast course. Didn't seem to sell our quickly, but that was a number of years ago.

I'm worried that it's going to be a fiasco like chicago.

I was just asked to run Chicago - tell me more......
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on March 14, 2013, 01:46:53 pm
It took 2 hours, 47 minutes to sell out last year. How does that equate to being difficult to register for?

It sucks that they made the MCM registration this year on a day smack dab in the middle of what is Spring Break week for alot of people/families. I'm going to have to put off going to the beach until later in the day so I can get my ass to an internet cafe where hopefully I'll be able to register and nobody will steal my credit card info.

Good.  Maybe it will be easier for some of us to register.  I'm worried that it's going to be a fiasco like chicago.

anyone running shamrock this weekend?  I will be there!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on March 14, 2013, 02:41:50 pm
I'm worried that it's going to be a fiasco like chicago.

I was just asked to run Chicago - tell me more......

So many people tried to register for it that the site kept crashing.  After 30,000 people registered (and it was crazy trying to figure out if you were...people were charged multiple times, etc.)  They ended up going lottery for the last 10,000 spots.  My friend tried for 4 hours to register.

I'm just a little worried that everyone knows MCM sold out so fast last year and the same thing is going to happen next week...
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on March 14, 2013, 02:52:02 pm
looks like i've got a bib for the cherry blossom 10 miler.  i believe it will be the longest distance i have ever run, pretty sure that 9 is my current long.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on March 14, 2013, 03:39:10 pm
looks like i've got a bib for the cherry blossom 10 miler.  i believe it will be the longest distance i have ever run, pretty sure that 9 is my current long.

Great race!  Looks like the cherry blossoms will actually be around for it this year!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on March 14, 2013, 03:48:53 pm
Peak dates were announced as March 26-30. Race is April 7.

looks like i've got a bib for the cherry blossom 10 miler.  i believe it will be the longest distance i have ever run, pretty sure that 9 is my current long.

Great race!  Looks like the cherry blossoms will actually be around for it this year!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on March 14, 2013, 04:35:31 pm
Great race! 

i've heard that it's a less-than-awesome race because it's so damn crowded.  you're pretty much stuck running at the speed of the pack, which may or may not be your desired or optimal speed.

Peak dates were announced as March 26-30. Race is April 7.

blossoms should last a week after peak, so they will be around...
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on March 15, 2013, 09:01:39 am
I ran it last year.  There were ZERO blossoms as it was 2 weeks after the peak date.  And it was still fun.  it's a crowded race, but I'm not running to win it.  I just like to run different races and have a good time.

I decided not to run it this year because I ran too many in a row last year.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on March 18, 2013, 11:28:42 am
I ran it last year.  There were ZERO blossoms as it was 2 weeks after the peak date.  And it was still fun.  it's a crowded race, but I'm not running to win it.  I just like to run different races and have a good time.

I decided not to run it this year because I ran too many in a row last year.

FWIW, Pike's Peek is a far superior race.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on March 18, 2013, 12:16:27 pm
FWIW, Pike's Peek is a far superior race.

yup, i'll be running that too however it's a 10K, not a 10 miler.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on March 19, 2013, 08:04:50 am
That's too close to Clyde's/Nike for me.  I run the Clyde's 10K every year.  It was my first race and it's down the street from my house.  Also, it's a really fun after-race party!

Beat my PR by 10 minutes at the Shamrock 1/2 on Sunday!  Probably would have beat it by more, but I hit a little wall at mile 11.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on March 19, 2013, 09:03:24 am
I've never understood why people pay money and get up early and travel to do 5K and 10K races. It seems like alot of time and effort to do something that you can do on your own anyway.

For me, that extends right up to a half marathon, as I typically run 13 miles EVERY Saturday (actually i've cut back to 9 while not training for a marathon, but it used to be 13).

Now a marathon I can understand. Having others going through the agony with you helps to push you to the finish, and having 26.2 miles of pavement without cars helps too.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on March 19, 2013, 10:09:49 am
I've never understood why people pay money and get up early and travel to do 5K and 10K races. It seems like alot of time and effort to do something that you can do on your own anyway.

For me, that extends right up to a half marathon, as I typically run 13 miles EVERY Saturday (actually i've cut back to 9 while not training for a marathon, but it used to be 13).

A race is completely different from a training run.  I ran the RNR 1/2 at an 8:15 pace, but will likely run a fun 16-miler this weekend at a 10:30.  For my next 5K, I'm hoping to break a 7:00...but would never even attempt to do that on a Tuesday morning...
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on March 19, 2013, 10:14:02 am
I've never understood why people pay money and get up early and travel to do 5K and 10K races. It seems like alot of time and effort to do something that you can do on your own anyway.
 
For me, that extends right up to a half marathon, as I typically run 13 miles EVERY Saturday (actually i've cut back to 9 while not training for a marathon, but it used to be 13).

Now a marathon I can understand. Having others going through the agony with you helps to push you to the finish, and having 26.2 miles of pavement without cars helps too.

we're not all you.

you're an accomplished long distance runner, WE GET IT.  for some people, 10K is a big deal.  i'm fairly confident in saying that the average american can't run 5 miles in under 50 minutes so participating in a 10K makes you above-average.

running any distance on your own - whether it's 5K or 26.2 miles - isn't the same as doing it in a timed race.  you don't push yourself in the same way, you don't have the encouragement, you don't have the resources (water, cleared roads, etc).  i've never run as hard on sunday morning as i have at a race.

your constant berating of any distance other than a full marathon makes you come across like a prick.  i'm sure that's not be your intention.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on March 19, 2013, 10:15:50 am
I've never understood why people pay money and get up early and travel to do 5K and 10K races. It seems like alot of time and effort to do something that you can do on your own anyway.

For me, that extends right up to a half marathon, as I typically run 13 miles EVERY Saturday (actually i've cut back to 9 while not training for a marathon, but it used to be 13).

Now a marathon I can understand. Having others going through the agony with you helps to push you to the finish, and having 26.2 miles of pavement without cars helps too.

I don't typically travel for 5K/10Ks.  I like running the BWC 5K every year because it's an inspiring 5K and I coach beginning runners for it.  Most of the women are running their first ever race and it's a very supportive one! (and for a great cause).  

I don't have to travel for Clyde's b/c it's basically next door to my house.

I like running 1/2 marathons.  I think it's the perfect race distance.  My IT band can't take training for marathons year-round at this time so I only run those in the fall.

Every race is different and every runner is different.  I just like running in different places!  The Shamrock was a great time and they have a marathon for those marathon snobs :)
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Relaxer on March 19, 2013, 10:15:59 am
Well that is because he is a dick.
Plus, you gotta love a statement that says "I run 13 miles EVERY Saturday (well, actually, no I don't, but I used to once!!!!! But not anymore. And yet I did do it! A couple times back in the 90s.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on March 19, 2013, 10:18:05 am
Well that is because he is a dick.
Plus, you gotta love a statement that says "I run 13 miles EVERY Saturday (well, actually, no I don't, but I used to once!!!!! But not anymore. And yet I did do it! A couple times back in the 90s.

 :D
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on March 19, 2013, 12:44:49 pm
I still don't see the point.

For me, running is best when it's solitary experience. I want to be in touch with my natural environment, not bumping elbows with strangers. To me, running is about being healthy and fit, not about beating other people or beating personal bests.

Convince me otherwise of the appeal, instead of reacting defensively and calling names.


I've never understood why people pay money and get up early and travel to do 5K and 10K races. It seems like alot of time and effort to do something that you can do on your own anyway.
 
For me, that extends right up to a half marathon, as I typically run 13 miles EVERY Saturday (actually i've cut back to 9 while not training for a marathon, but it used to be 13).

Now a marathon I can understand. Having others going through the agony with you helps to push you to the finish, and having 26.2 miles of pavement without cars helps too.

we're not all you.

you're an accomplished long distance runner, WE GET IT.  for some people, 10K is a big deal.  i'm fairly confident in saying that the average american can't run 5 miles in under 50 minutes so participating in a 10K makes you above-average.

running any distance on your own - whether it's 5K or 26.2 miles - isn't the same as doing it in a timed race.  you don't push yourself in the same way, you don't have the encouragement, you don't have the resources (water, cleared roads, etc).  i've never run as hard on sunday morning as i have at a race.

your constant berating of any distance other than a full marathon makes you come across like a prick.  i'm sure that's not be your intention.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on March 19, 2013, 12:49:02 pm
Actually, it was 2011-2012, but whatever. My wife didn't like me being away for so long, so I cut back.

Well that is because he is a dick.
Plus, you gotta love a statement that says "I run 13 miles EVERY Saturday (well, actually, no I don't, but I used to once!!!!! But not anymore. And yet I did do it! A couple times back in the 90s.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: vansmack on March 19, 2013, 12:53:24 pm
I....

For me......        I...      my..... To me......

 me.......

Just type this next time. We've known you long enough to fill in the blanks if we so choose.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on March 19, 2013, 01:03:09 pm
Sorry, I guess I should have started my post with "Things about running James Ford thinks you should know."


Because it's so much fucking cooler to refer to yourself in the third person instead of the first.


I....

For me......        I...      my..... To me......

 me.......

Just type this next time. We've known you long enough to fill in the blanks if we so choose.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: vansmack on March 19, 2013, 01:05:39 pm
Sorry, I guess I should have started my post with "Things about running James Ford thinks you should know."


Because it's so much fucking cooler to refer to yourself in the third person instead of the first.

Exactly. And then I won't have to click it unless I REALLY want to.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: showlistdc on March 19, 2013, 02:08:51 pm
My wife didn't like me being away for so long, so I cut back.

Really?  The way you act on this board, I would think she'd encourage you to take longer runs, so she could have more quiet time at home.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on March 19, 2013, 02:47:49 pm
You've obviously never been a work at home mom of a toddler.
 ;)
My wife didn't like me being away for so long, so I cut back.

Really?  The way you act on this board, I would think she'd encourage you to take longer runs, so she could have more quiet time at home.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on March 20, 2013, 11:56:10 am
BTW, I CRUSHED my PR at Shamrock by 9:40. 

Crushed.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on April 10, 2013, 01:33:59 pm
Anyone running the Nike 1/2 in a few weeks?

Got into the Marine Corps Marathon.  What a cluster...
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on April 10, 2013, 02:17:59 pm
marathon tip: if during a training run you start to develop a pain in both your lower hamstring and your shins, don't tell yourself you can push through it and run it off.  i tried this approach and i'm now off running for the next few weeks, who knows what i'll come back to.

i had a bib for the cherry 10-miler this past sunday but couldn't use it.  i went down to cheer on the missus and our other friends.  GORGEOUS morning for a run.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on April 10, 2013, 02:31:22 pm
Didn't get into MCM, what a cluster...

Tried for 45 mins from a pay as you go internet cafe pc in St John. Family was waiting back at our cottage to have lunch and go to beach, so i gave up.


Anyone running the Nike 1/2 in a few weeks?

Got into the Marine Corps Marathon.  What a cluster...
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on April 10, 2013, 03:39:46 pm
marathon tip: if during a training run you start to develop a pain in both your lower hamstring and your shins, don't tell yourself you can push through it and run it off.  i tried this approach and i'm now off running for the next few weeks, who knows what i'll come back to.

i had a bib for the cherry 10-miler this past sunday but couldn't use it.  i went down to cheer on the missus and our other friends.  GORGEOUS morning for a run.

So sorry to hear that!

If you need a good PT, I have an excellent one in Ellicott City.  But, I'm guessing that might be a little far for you.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: reggie on April 23, 2013, 12:35:18 pm
any runners in this thread ever had bunion surgery? how long before you could start running again? thinking about going under the knife.... :(
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on April 24, 2013, 09:15:31 am
One of my good friends had bunion surgery.  Hers were really bad and she was sidelined for a few months.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on June 05, 2013, 01:57:31 pm
Celebrate National Running Day with $20 off any Rock-N-Roll race (today only)

http://runrocknroll.competitor.com/2013/06/series/celebrate-national-running-day-2_49099
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on June 06, 2013, 03:55:52 pm
Anyone going to see Spirit of the Marathon II next Wednesday?  I'm going to Snowden Square.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: betao on June 06, 2013, 04:02:31 pm
doing Tough Mudder this Saturday. anyone ever done this?
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on June 10, 2013, 08:19:11 am
doing Tough Mudder this Saturday. anyone ever done this?

I haven't, but have alot of friends who have.  they had a great time, but it takes a long time because some of the obstacles have long lines.

I'm not into the mud races myself.  Just give me a road!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on September 16, 2013, 12:51:01 pm
September 15, 2012: I'm nearing the end of a Saturday afternoon mountain bike ride, going down a hill. Wearing eyeglasses instead of my usual contacts and sunglasses. I hit a tree root, loose control of the bike, flip over the handlebars, land on my head (thank god for helmets), break my eyeglasses, and break a rib. My quest to run my 17th marathon is over for 2012.

September 15, 2013: I set off on a 23 mile training run (20 on unpaved trail), unaware that it's the one year anniversary of my accident. For some reason I decide to run in my eyeglasses instead of contacts/sunglasses. I'm on my eighth mile and I trip over a tree root. I flip, bloodying my knee and leaving scrapes on my back and hands. No broken glasses, no broken rib. I continue and complete my run. As I'm running, the date dawns on me, and it also downs on me that both falls were probably caused by burst of sunlight peering out from the shaded trail, hitting my unprotected eyes and blinding me for a split second, enough the make trip and fall.

That's my story. Anybody else training for Fall Marathon? Baltimore is only 26 days away for me.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on September 16, 2013, 01:04:18 pm
Ouch!  At least you are alright.

I am running the 3rd and 4th legs of the Baltimore Marathon for the relay (running the 3rd one to count and then running the rest as a training run for MCM).  I ran Baltimore last year and loved it.  I think their course run is Saturday.  It's free and sponsored by Falls Road Running.  That run is always really fun if you haven't participated.

Running Marine Corps Marathon on October 27th!  First time running it for me and my third marathon. Been following the Hansons Marathon Method and it's been time consuming, but I really love it.

Then in January I'm running Jackson, MS 1/2 marathon on Saturday and the Mobile, AL full on Sunday as my own "goofy" race without the insane price of Disney (and even better because dinner Sunday night will be in New Orleans).
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: brennser on September 16, 2013, 02:00:22 pm
September 15, 2012: I'm nearing the end of a Saturday afternoon mountain bike ride, going down a hill.

As I'm running, the date dawns on me, and it also downs on me that both falls were probably caused by burst of sunlight peering out from the shaded trail, hitting my unprotected eyes and blinding me for a split second, enough the make trip and fall.

That's my story. Anybody else training for Fall Marathon? Baltimore is only 26 days away for me.

I was MTBing this weekend and the glare was ridiculous at times. Definitely riding blind. I have dodgy knees so no running for me but I just did the Civil War Century and will be doing the Seagull (road) and MoCo Epic (MTB) in October
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: ggw on September 16, 2013, 02:03:41 pm
I hate you people.  Over the past two years I have had torn meniscus surgery, Achilles tendonitis, bursitis, chronic patellar syndrome, etc...   I miss running so much.  Riding a bike isn't the same. 
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on September 16, 2013, 02:29:44 pm
I'm running Marine Corps in October, Rehoboth in December and Rock-n-Roll DC (full) in March.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on September 16, 2013, 02:29:53 pm
Sorry ggw.  Plus, you're fast...
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on September 16, 2013, 02:32:13 pm
I'm never running another Rock and Roll or CGI event ever again.  They pulled all the funding for elites (of which I am not one, but still think that's crappy).  And their medals are no longer city specific.  My friends who ran Philly said there was hardly any music this year.  And it makes me sad that they seem bent on taking over all these nice local races and sort of becoming the WalMart of racing.

Crappy too because I really enjoyed DC and Philly when I ran them. 

I realize by this rationale I should also not run Baltimore this year as they pulled the prize money when they were defunded by Under Armour, but I love that race.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on September 16, 2013, 02:41:12 pm
I agree that the RNR DC kinda sucks.  I've done the 1/2 twice now, and wanted to do a Full in the spring.  Seemed convenient at the time, but I may never do it again.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on September 16, 2013, 02:51:31 pm
I think I'm going to run the Hatfield McCoy Marathon in June.  Seems like fun!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: vansmack on September 16, 2013, 02:53:14 pm
I'm never running another Rock and Roll or CGI event ever again. 

I ran my last RnR in Vegas 2011.  I won't even tell you the more disgusting horror stories from a first hand account, but this is a good start:

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/dec/08/marathon/
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on September 16, 2013, 02:59:09 pm
I heard about that race from a friend.  Sounded awful.  I can't believe they're still allowed to hold it!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on September 16, 2013, 03:00:22 pm
Also, the Shamrock Marathon in VA beach had water from hydrants/hoses in lined trash cans.  I got to the start in the morning and accidentally threw my gel top in the "water" which I thought was the trash...not running that one again!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on October 08, 2013, 09:20:03 am
Baltimore is Saturday!  Should be great weather!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on October 09, 2013, 04:01:52 pm
If you call 50% showers great weather.

Baltimore is Saturday!  Should be great weather!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on October 09, 2013, 04:04:10 pm
Temperature is waaay more important than rain.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on October 09, 2013, 04:38:31 pm
I've run one in 90 degree heat, another in 20sih cold, and yet another in soaking rain. And they all sucked equally hard.

quote author=grateful link=topic=10107.msg371650#msg371650 date=1381349050]
Temperature is waaay more important than rain.
[/quote]
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Yada on October 09, 2013, 04:39:38 pm
I've run one in 90 degree heat, another in 20sih cold, and yet another in soaking rain. And they all sucked equally hard.

quote author=grateful link=topic=10107.msg371650#msg371650 date=1381349050]
Temperature is waaay more important than rain.
[/quote]

I think I would prefer the 20 degree marathon.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on October 09, 2013, 04:46:16 pm
upon five seconds more reflection, yes, that was the least evil of the three. some intersting findings on marathons and weather here (I'm definitely in the slow runner category):


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/03/sports/sportsspecial/03marathon.html?_r=0


Elite runners ran fastest in the coldest conditions ? 41 to 50 degrees. But the slowing effect with heat was not as great as had been previously reported. For every five-degree increase in temperature, times slowed by 0.4 percent.

Warmer weather had a greater effect on slower runners. On a 77-degree day, an elite runner would be about 5 percent slower than on a 41-degree day. But a runner who finished in three hours on a 41-degree day would be slowed by about 12 percent on a 77-degree day, finishing in 3 hours 21 minutes.

I've run one in 90 degree heat, another in 20sih cold, and yet another in soaking rain. And they all sucked equally hard.

quote author=grateful link=topic=10107.msg371650#msg371650 date=1381349050]
Temperature is waaay more important than rain.

I think I would prefer the 20 degree marathon.
[/quote]
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on October 10, 2013, 09:39:41 am
It's only supposed to drizzle a little bit. Just put duct tape over the top of your shoes.  Works like a charm!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on October 14, 2013, 01:45:48 pm
Anecdotal reports of 30+mph headwinds for the last 5 miles of the Atlantic City Marathon this past weekend...
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on October 14, 2013, 03:47:58 pm
Thumbs up for Baltimore Marathon.

Basically I signed up for it because I didn't get into the Marine Corps Marathon. But it was so well organized (especially the finish area) and uncrowded that I'd consider putting up with the Friday afternoon drive and the hotel bill to do it again next year, over the MCM.

What's the deal with so many people walking (the entire?) half marathon though? If you can't run it. don't sign up.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on October 15, 2013, 09:39:24 am
I ran the 3rd and 4th legs of the relay for the marathon and could not believe all the fucking walkers for the 1/2 marathon.  They were annoying. I know Baltimore has a ton of hills, but seriously.  I don't know how much time I wasted with all the weaving in and out of people!

That said, it didn't really matter.  Baltimore seemed even more fun to me this year than in years past. It was my third time participating in the festival (1/2, full, relay) and it just keeps getting better!

I'm running Marine Corps next Sunday and killing those hills gave me confidence...
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on October 15, 2013, 09:39:45 am
and my favorite sign "Run...Omar comin'"
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on October 15, 2013, 09:44:18 am
I'm running Marine Corps next Sunday and killing those hills gave me confidence...

Hoping the government shutdown will be over by the 27th, but if it isn't, I keep wondering if they'll let us finish at Iwo Jima!  I don't care too much about the rest of the course, but the finish is always awesome!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on October 15, 2013, 09:46:39 am
It will be my first time running it.  I have a feeling that people will be running up to it, even if it's not technically part of the course.  I know that Sid (who's the unofficial mascot for b'more) has pledged to run to it even if he gets arrested doing so.  He always runs for a specific military family and carries an American Flag the entire race.

I have a feeling the shutdown will end this week though.  People are getting annoyed (not like they weren't already)
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: ggw on October 15, 2013, 02:32:40 pm
According to www.arlnow.com the Marathon is facing some serious headwinds if the gov't isn't open soon. 60% of the race is run on NPS property.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on October 15, 2013, 02:50:48 pm
NOT GOOD.

If I have to run the f'ing sidewalks, I am running this race.  I have not been getting up at 5;15am every single day but Thursday and running 6-16 miles to have these total idiots cancel it!

SO FRUSTRATED.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: vansmack on October 15, 2013, 02:58:11 pm
NOT GOOD.

If I have to run the f'ing sidewalks, I am running this race.  I have not been getting up at 5;15am every single day but Thursday and running 6-16 miles to have these total idiots cancel it!

SO FRUSTRATED.

Just round up a bunch of WWII Vet Marathon runners....
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on October 15, 2013, 03:07:19 pm
with their confederate flags.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on October 15, 2013, 03:16:37 pm
NOT GOOD.

If I have to run the f'ing sidewalks, I am running this race.  I have not been getting up at 5;15am every single day but Thursday and running 6-16 miles to have these total idiots cancel it!

SO FRUSTRATED.

You won't be alone!  I've run over 1,000 miles since June to be in marathon shape.  I'll be running 26.2 that day, with or without the Tea Party's approval.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on October 15, 2013, 03:56:51 pm
You are faster than myself :)  I have run 500!  Wow!  I took a big break in the spring because I had been overtraining.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on October 17, 2013, 01:22:56 pm
My favorite Baltimore Marathon quote:

Old guy volunteer handing out cups of Deer Park water at water stop: "Here have some real water. None of that French crap."
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: ggw on October 17, 2013, 02:02:32 pm
My favorite marathon quote is from the old National Marathon. About mile 10, the Lululemon girls were holding up signs that said "you've got real stamina. Call me."
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on October 17, 2013, 02:18:23 pm
My favorite marathon quote is from the old National Marathon. About mile 10, the Lululemon girls were holding up signs that said "you've got real stamina. Call me."

they still hold up that sign at the Marine Corps.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: vansmack on October 17, 2013, 02:20:07 pm
My favorite marathon quote is from the old National Marathon. About mile 10, the Lululemon girls were holding up signs that said "you've got real stamina. Call me."

I called them.  It's not what you think it is...
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: glorifying peace-hatch ılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|lıl on October 18, 2013, 10:53:05 am
this site has some funny race quotes
spectator support signs (http://www.fleetfeetstlouis.com/news/signs-of-the-times)
Worst Parade Ever!!!
Run faster.  Holding this sign is tiring.
Remember, you paid to do this.
This seemed like a good idea a few months ago, didn't it?
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: ggw on October 26, 2013, 03:00:28 pm
Best of luck tomorrow to grateful, K8teebug, and anyone else running the MCM. It sounds like the weather is going to be near perfect.

I may be spectating. If you see a tall, devestatingly handsome dude with a 180 lb. St. Bernard just before mile 3, please wave.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on October 26, 2013, 03:41:55 pm
Thanks ggw!  I'll definitely keep any eye out :)
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on October 28, 2013, 09:04:46 am
Thank you!  I missed a sub-5 by 2 seconds, but felt really strong almost the entire race.  It was nice to run the whole bridge when everyone else was starting to walk.  Yay Hanson Marathon Method!

Now to work on beating Oprah...

Hope everyone had a great race yesterday!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on October 28, 2013, 09:23:40 am
I blew past my PR by 27 minutes and scored a 3:44!  I'm still in disbelief   :o
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: betao on October 28, 2013, 09:59:36 am
I ran my first Tough Mudder a last Saturday (www.toughmudder.com). 10-12 miles of obstacles featuring mud, ice-water, fire, and electric shock. It was awesome.

Some classic "motivational" signs along the course:

- When was the last time you really earned a free beer?
- Quit complaining. Start Running.
- You're almost done! (at like mile 2)
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on October 28, 2013, 01:11:43 pm
I blew past my PR by 27 minutes and scored a 3:44!  I'm still in disbelief   :o

Amazing!!!!  Congratulations!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on October 28, 2013, 01:12:56 pm
Of course, my favorite sign from yesterday was the grumpy cat sign -

"They say running hurts - GOOD"
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: shemptiness on October 31, 2013, 04:41:46 pm
http://regressing.deadspin.com/the-terrifying-hell-running-a-marathon-inflicts-on-the-1455987210/@kylenw
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on October 31, 2013, 04:56:02 pm
That article seems to conclude that marathoners don't have heart attacks as much as non-marathoners, and runners who don't manage their water / electrolyte consumption well are, well, setting themselves up for potential problems.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on November 01, 2013, 08:40:02 am
It's called take electrolyte tablets and TRAIN.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on November 01, 2013, 09:14:35 am
Precisely.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on November 01, 2013, 10:16:01 am
I have a friend who ran MCM on a whim.  13 days of training.  She's fit, but still.  I thought it was a little crazy.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Justin Tonation on November 05, 2013, 04:49:20 pm
(https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/1454970_10151941618519020_707014255_n.jpg) (https://www.facebook.com/events/541531972595019/)
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on November 12, 2013, 12:14:12 pm
JIC you were considering running a marathon:

http://www.runnersworld.com/fun/7-surprising-dangers-of-running-a-marathon?page=single
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on December 05, 2013, 10:22:45 am
Revving up for the Rehoboth Marathon on Saturday.  Looks like it could be 34F and snowy at the start...
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on December 05, 2013, 10:42:53 am
I really want to run that one.  Let me know what you think!

Training for the Jackson, MS 1/2 and Mobile, AL full in the same weekend in 5 weeks!  Dinner and drinks in NOLA afterwards!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on December 05, 2013, 11:07:51 am
This will be my 3rd Rehoboth - it's fast and flat, theres a great after-party with great food, free massages and free beer!  Then you've got the run of the town (hah!) at night, since its off season :)
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on January 14, 2014, 10:06:52 am
I just got back from running the back to back challenge in Jackson, MS (blues 1/2 marathon) and Mobile, AL (first light) this weekend and it was a wonderful experience (even despite food poisoning before Mobile).  Would highly recommend if anyone wants a cheaper alternative to the Disney Goofy race.  Both races were 100 bucks.  Super friendly people, nice courses, and a great time.  Plus, you can tack on a night in New Orleans for dinner!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on March 16, 2014, 08:37:56 pm
Just ran a highly medicre Rock-n-Roll marathon.  I was sick on race day, and got less than 3 hours sleep the night before.  10 minutes off my goal, and almost 20 off my PR.  Gave it all I had, though.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on March 16, 2014, 09:19:00 pm
Gave it all I had, though.

not sure this will make you feel any better, but: isn't that the goal?  you could have taken it easy, or not run at all, but you still got out there and did the whole course.  there should be pride in that.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on March 17, 2014, 08:33:38 am
No, you're exactly right - thanks for that.  I couldn't have done anthing different on race day, for sure.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: ggw on March 17, 2014, 09:47:59 am
My wife used to get a little freaked out by people puking or collapsing in a heap after they crossed the marathon finish line.  I told her that if I didn't feel like puking or collapsing in a heap, that meant that I hadn't really given it my all.  She thinks I'm a little touched in the head.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on March 17, 2014, 06:01:38 pm
this was taken today in dc

(http://image.vam.synacor.com.edgesuite.net/1c/a6/745d8bc7b9d72014486528feb940a7af6a084fc2.jpeg)

runners . . . are dumb
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on March 17, 2014, 07:30:29 pm



I've puked several times at the end of marathons. I wonder why it's always after finishing and not during?

I f'd up my back a couple of months ago sledding. The 7-9 mile easy runs I was doing two months ago have now become slow, painful slogs. Might be time to see a doctor.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on March 18, 2014, 07:11:58 pm
Ummmm, yeah.  You could just need a good PT and sports massage therapist.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: shemptiness on March 28, 2014, 11:29:14 am
'A small body of research suggests that heart problems may arise not in spite of extreme-endurance exercise but because of it. That has led some cardiologists to theorize that, beyond a certain point, exercise stops preventing and starts causing heart disease.

...found that 50 men who had run at least one marathon a year for 25 years had higher levels of coronary-artery plaque than a control group of sedentary men. A British Medical Journal study published this year compared the carotid arteries of 42 Boston Marathon qualifiers with their much-less active spouses. "We hypothesized that the runners would have a more favourable atherosclerotic risk profile," says the article. As it turned out, that hypothesis was wrong.'

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303949704579461381883678174?mod=e2fb
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: vansmack on March 28, 2014, 11:49:34 am
...found that 50 men who had run at least one marathon a year for 25 years had higher levels of coronary-artery plaque than a control group of sedentary men. A British Medical Journal study published this year compared the carotid arteries of 42 Boston Marathon qualifiers with their much-less active spouses. "We hypothesized that the runners would have a more favourable atherosclerotic risk profile," says the article. As it turned out, that hypothesis was wrong.'


Wait a minute.

They compared men who run marathons with their wives, and determined that men have worse arteries?  It makes absolutely no sense to compare men and women.

Maybe a better control would have been active brothers to their less active brother?



Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Relaxer on March 28, 2014, 11:57:23 am
No need to bring race into this.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on March 28, 2014, 11:58:11 am
Men are much more likely to have diet similar to their wives than less active brothers (?)

Then again men will have genetics more closely aligned with their less active brother than with their wife.


...found that 50 men who had run at least one marathon a year for 25 years had higher levels of coronary-artery plaque than a control group of sedentary men. A British Medical Journal study published this year compared the carotid arteries of 42 Boston Marathon qualifiers with their much-less active spouses. "We hypothesized that the runners would have a more favourable atherosclerotic risk profile," says the article. As it turned out, that hypothesis was wrong.'


Wait a minute.

They compared men who run marathons with their wives, and determined that men have worse arteries?  It makes absolutely no sense to compare men and women.

Maybe a better control would have been active brothers to their less active brother?




Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: vansmack on March 28, 2014, 12:13:33 pm
Then again men will have genetics more closely aligned with their less active brother than with their wife.

I was going for that and the fact that mens and womens hearts are not identical.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on March 28, 2014, 12:25:03 pm
'A small body of research suggests that heart problems may arise not in spite of extreme-endurance exercise but because of it. That has led some cardiologists to theorize that, beyond a certain point, exercise stops preventing and starts causing heart disease.

...found that 50 men who had run at least one marathon a year for 25 years had higher levels of coronary-artery plaque than a control group of sedentary men. A British Medical Journal study published this year compared the carotid arteries of 42 Boston Marathon qualifiers with their much-less active spouses. "We hypothesized that the runners would have a more favourable atherosclerotic risk profile," says the article. As it turned out, that hypothesis was wrong.'

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303949704579461381883678174?mod=e2fb

NPR published an article the very next day citing a study that evaluated men's cardiovascular risk, both before and after training for a marathon.  Conclusion:  Running is good for you

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/03/27/295252726/marathon-training-lowers-heart-disease-risk-in-middle-aged-men
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on March 28, 2014, 01:04:19 pm
Xray results are in. Small compression fracture of spine. I guess that explains why it's painful for me to run.






I've puked several times at the end of marathons. I wonder why it's always after finishing and not during?

I f'd up my back a couple of months ago sledding. The 7-9 mile easy runs I was doing two months ago have now become slow, painful slogs. Might be time to see a doctor.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on March 28, 2014, 02:06:40 pm
Ouch!  What's the prognosis?  Hope you feel better soon.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on April 23, 2014, 12:57:18 pm
Hey gang, sorry for the spam/sob story, but it looks like I'll be running the Chicago Marathon this year with Team Fox, the Michael J. Fox Foundation?s (MJFF) grassroots community fundraising program, which generates funds and awareness for Parkinson?s disease research.

Pretty stoked, not just to run another race (it's been a few years), but also since my father-in-law had Parkinson's, so it's an insane honor to have the chance to make a small difference here, especially in light of everything my wife's family has done for me over the years.

If you're so inclined, please feel free to donate to a good cause; you can find my donation page here: http://www2.michaeljfox.org/goto/aobehr.  I'm trying to raise $2,000 and thanks mostly to family & friends, have already hit the 50% mark in a day, so your contributions would be most appreciated as well.

And if not, thanks to this board for actually giving me the support to run my first marathon way back in 2007 (man, I forgot this thread was actually mine originally).  All of those tips were a big help both other marathon's I've run.

Thanks!
Andy
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on April 23, 2014, 03:57:29 pm
I will support!  Everyone has been really cool about supporting me on this board!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: vansmack on April 23, 2014, 05:05:46 pm
Of course.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on April 23, 2014, 07:07:43 pm
You guys are seriously the best.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on October 23, 2014, 04:54:43 pm
Gearing up for Marine Corps Marathon this weekend - who's in?
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on October 23, 2014, 05:16:53 pm
are there marines with no shirts on . . . oh id be all over that.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on October 24, 2014, 07:32:02 am
I'm in! Hoping to redeem myself after a total breakdown miles 14-20 last weekend at Baltimore. Went out too fast. Too much adrenaline at the beginning.

But, I finally broke 5 hours, despite the total meltdown.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: James Ford on October 24, 2014, 08:02:54 am
Not that a total stranger's story can serve as inspiration, but...

A few years ago I did marathons three weeks apart. The first one I had a total meltdown, did a lot of walking, and had a terrible time.

Three weeks later, I came back and ran a kick ass Marine Corps Marathon.

You can do it!


I'm in! Hoping to redeem myself after a total breakdown miles 14-20 last weekend at Baltimore. Went out too fast. Too much adrenaline at the beginning.

But, I finally broke 5 hours, despite the total meltdown.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on October 24, 2014, 09:35:59 am
Sounds like we're in the same boat - I missed a PR at Wineglass 3 weeks ago, and I may just have to race MCM.  I had originally thought it was going to be a fun run....

Looks like there could be a decent headwind coming out of Hains Point.  My plan is to find a...larger runner, and draft behind him (or her) until we turn towards the tidal basin.  I used this strategy in 2012 when Hurricane Sandy kicked up the winds, and it really worked.  It also kind of forces a "rest" and gives you time to think about race strategy.

Have a great race!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: koshmar on October 24, 2014, 11:06:40 am
I like the drafting idea.  I'll be behind you behind the person you're drafting off.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on October 24, 2014, 06:31:29 pm
You guys are all faster than myself. Have a great race everyone!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on October 26, 2014, 06:55:52 am
Let's do this!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on October 27, 2014, 08:25:52 am
Well, not my best time ever, but not the worst either. That race is so fun. Love all the cute Marines!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on October 27, 2014, 08:40:00 am
Love all the cute Marines!
You forgot to log into the Walkonby account.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on March 01, 2015, 05:27:59 pm
sorry, missed this in the other thread:

I really want to go to this on Friday, but it's my last long run before my ultra this weekend and I have to be responsible and go to bed early.

http://americanart.si.edu/calendar/event.cfm?trumbaEmbed=view%3Devent%26eventid%3D112459056

wait, what?!?  you're running ultras now???  you go girl (and go, and go, and keep on going, and go some more, etc etc etc...)
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: ggw on March 01, 2015, 05:42:21 pm
Anyone else run the lovely St Pats 10k this morning?  27 degrees with sleet and snow - perfect running weather.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on March 01, 2015, 08:14:30 pm
Nope, but I did manage to do a 20-mile training run.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on March 02, 2015, 11:34:31 am
I managed an 18 mile training run. On the road. Been running trails/ice/snow all winter to prep for my first ever 50K in two weeks! A little worried about the cut off time at mile 17, but I think I can make it.

What does everyone have on the docket this year? I'm doing the HAT 50K, Hatfield-McCoy marathon in June, King Crab (just the Baltimore 1/2 this year though), and MCM.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: ggw on March 02, 2015, 12:03:29 pm
I did the St. Pats 5k + 10k double yesterday.  Felt great, but man...was I slow.  That was my first race since December 2012 due to knee and achilles issues.  I am already registered for the following:

Share the Love 14k
GW Parkway Classic (10-miler)
St. Michaels Half Marathon
Baltimore Ten Miler

Contemplating:
Frederick Mission Ten Miler
Frederick Half Marathon
If all goes well - NY or Chicago Marathon in the fall.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on March 02, 2015, 12:38:43 pm
Reston Runners Marathon
Pike's Peek 10K
Parks Half
MCM
Rehoboth Marathon

Then it's a tossup between Erie, Chicago or Wineglass...

I usually find a couple of 5Ks to throw in there...
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on March 03, 2015, 12:20:11 pm
When is Parks Half? Do you like it?

I want to run Rehoboth this year too!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on March 03, 2015, 02:48:29 pm
I love the Parks Half - one of my favorite races!  This year its on September 13th...a nice tune-up race while you're training for MCM.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on March 03, 2015, 03:10:54 pm
Cool. I will register for it!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on March 03, 2015, 05:37:49 pm
the parks half goes a block away from my place.  lemme know if you want me standing on the corner holding out a homebrew for you.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on March 03, 2015, 07:39:30 pm
Look at this thread . . . Boom!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on March 04, 2015, 01:08:45 pm
the parks half goes a block away from my place.  lemme know if you want me standing on the corner holding out a homebrew for you.

That would be awesome.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Driveway on March 04, 2015, 03:12:41 pm
Is anyone doing the Rock N Roll?  Any tips/advice are welcome!  This is my first full marathon. 

 I ran 3 of their half marathons last year.  I'm a little worried about the weather, but physically I think I am ready.  I got my 20 miler in last weekend.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on March 14, 2015, 07:21:10 pm
Is anyone doing the Rock N Roll?  Any tips/advice are welcome!  This is my first full marathon. 

 I ran 3 of their half marathons last year.  I'm a little worried about the weather, but physically I think I am ready.  I got my 20 miler in last weekend.

Hey, how was your race? Tough weather conditions today!  I ran about 16 miles, on and off the course with the runners I coached this season.  They were generally unhappy,  but posted good times :)
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on March 16, 2015, 08:47:20 am
Definitely tough running. Congrats to all who finished!!

I run my first ultra this weekend. Scared!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on June 25, 2015, 02:03:27 pm
What does everyone have on the calendar this year? For me, B'more half, MCM, and Rosaryville 50K.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on June 25, 2015, 02:07:46 pm
Wow a 50K!  That's great!

I did Reston in March, my tenth (!), and have Erie (9/13), MCM (10/25) and Rehoboth (12/5).
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on June 25, 2015, 02:31:58 pm
Wow a 50K!  That's great!

I did Reston in March, my tenth (!), and have Erie (9/13), MCM (10/25) and Rehoboth (12/5).

Third time a charm for the 50K. Tried to run the HAT in March, but the course was a complete mud pit and I missed the 17 mile cut off time. Then injured my left knee in said mud pit bracing down all the hills and couldn't run by redemption North Face 50K run. So, I'm hoping Rosaryville will be my finish!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on June 25, 2015, 02:32:16 pm
And congrats on the 10th marathon! See you at MCM!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on July 23, 2015, 08:51:39 am
This year's fundraising is for Baltimore! I'm raising money on my own for Newborn Holistic Ministries. They run Jubilee Arts Center and Martha's Place in Sandtown. While some of the AA/NA philosophies have some religion, Jubilee Arts is secular. They are currently working on 7 murals in the city this summer.

Here's some info on the mural project

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/07/22/teens-paint-mural-outside-penn-north-library-baltimore/

And the link to my fundraiser! Every dollar helps! Hoping to raise at least 1K.

https://www.crowdrise.com/FundraisingforBaltimore (https://www.crowdrise.com/FundraisingforBaltimore)
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on July 23, 2015, 08:56:26 am
So, wait, what terrible concert are you willing to attend in exchange for donations? I'm missing it.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on July 23, 2015, 09:54:33 am
So, wait, what terrible concert are you willing to attend in exchange for donations? I'm missing it.

This is not the new black.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on July 23, 2015, 10:08:50 am
So, wait, what terrible concert are you willing to attend in exchange for donations? I'm missing it.

This is not the new black.
If there's anything I'm good at, it's hamfisting tropes down people's throats.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on July 23, 2015, 10:09:05 am
^^ Walkie, pre-emptively: keep it in your pants.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on September 11, 2015, 02:50:42 pm
I swear the forecast for Erie on Sunday has changed every 12 hours for the last three days.  It will either be 55 and rainy or 55 and partly cloudy. 
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on September 13, 2015, 02:00:39 pm
Holy shit you guys. I just qualified for the Boston marathon!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: wml7 on September 13, 2015, 02:32:08 pm
Holy shit you guys. I just qualified for the Boston marathon!
Cograts
 ;D
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: walk,on,by on September 13, 2015, 05:16:59 pm
boom.

too, soon?
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on September 14, 2015, 07:46:48 am
Holy shit you guys. I just qualified for the Boston marathon!

Congratulations! How exciting! Good job!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: glorifying peace-hatch ılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|lıl on September 14, 2015, 10:46:24 am
Holy shit you guys. I just qualified for the Boston marathon!

Congratulations! How exciting! Good job!
sweet!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on September 15, 2015, 09:11:32 am
I can now confirm with relative certainty that muscle soreness does in fact peak at the 48 hour mark.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Justin Tonation on September 17, 2015, 10:45:22 am
Just came across a triathlon-wear brand called 2XU. I'd be tempted to add a 1 to the logo.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: ggw on October 02, 2015, 09:19:46 am
What's everyone's road shoe of choice?  I'm back to 20-25 miles a week and just can't find the perfect shoe.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Relaxer on October 02, 2015, 09:22:54 am
I've been wearing Asics Gels for the past 6-7 years and they've served me very well plus they look cute. And I don't have to replace them after 3 months (usually can stretch them to a year).

(http://strengthrunning.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/ASICS-Gel-Blur33.png)
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Space Freely on October 02, 2015, 10:00:55 am
Brooks Addiction if you have flat feet like me. Been wearing those for a long time now.

Brooks Beast if you're fat and have flat feet. The perfectly named running shoe for a fat person.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on October 02, 2015, 12:16:39 pm
I wear Brooks Glycerin 13. The 12s are crap. I also used to wear Newtons and liked them. On the trails I wear Brooks Cascadia.

My husband wears the Saucony Trimuph ISO. Loves them.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on October 02, 2015, 01:04:29 pm
+1 for asics gels.  i'm about to order myself a new pair, need to replace my Kayano's.  good cushioning for us non-gazelle types.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: wml7 on January 25, 2016, 05:09:50 pm
http://www.runnersworld.com/running-with-dogs/hound-bandits-half-marathon-in-alabama
 ;D
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: hutch on January 26, 2016, 12:40:59 pm
shovel 3-4 hours straight.. if you can do that you should be good.. if not problem solved...you won't need tips.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on January 26, 2016, 01:01:14 pm
I heard 20 minutes of shoveling is roughly equivalent to running one mile.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on February 11, 2016, 04:29:13 pm
That?s right, not only is the Japanese metal-pop girl band Babymetal taking the world by storm, they?re whipping feet into a fury. They were the artist where we observed the largest increase in speed (https://medium.com/runkeeper-everyone-every-run/this-the-music-you-should-run-to-because-science-8f17829f99f#.3fj86sew8) as runners listened to them.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Relaxer on February 11, 2016, 04:36:22 pm
I'm telling you guys, KPOP and JPOP is some of the best running/exercise music there is.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on February 11, 2016, 04:36:53 pm
Fillmore, May 10th!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: glorifying peace-hatch ılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|lıl on March 05, 2016, 12:25:47 pm
Man, I can only imagine it would be hard to do a sprint with that beehive, but damn is that a funny photo
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10403106_1664152200514082_5716582514415742314_n.jpg?oh=7fa2e2f0c14893db4f9c82b739ce8d5c&oe=5796705C)
Texas Track Club of Abilene, 1964. This photo was part of a Sports Illustrated shoot in 1964.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on March 07, 2016, 08:32:59 am
There was a big write up on them in Runners World last year.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on March 24, 2016, 01:41:53 pm
(https://assets.ello.co/uploads/asset/attachment/3658693/ello-optimized-017a5695.gif)
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Space Freely on March 31, 2016, 08:05:21 am
Anyone, runners or otherwise, ever suffer from a heel spur? And if so, anyone have any advice? I'm totally self-diagnosing, but I'm about 97% sure I'm right.

Any runners suffer from depression at all when they're unable to run due to injury/illness/etc? Few things in life get me down more than not being able to run...although I'd still say only mildly down.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on March 31, 2016, 08:31:29 am
Anyone, runners or otherwise, ever suffer from a heel spur? And if so, anyone have any advice? I'm totally self-diagnosing, but I'm about 97% sure I'm right.

Any runners suffer from depression at all when they're unable to run due to injury/illness/etc? Few things in life get me down more than not being able to run...although I'd still say only mildly down.

Can't speak to the heel spur, but can speak to injury. YES. I have been injured a few times, never more for a month or two, and it's really hard. I started going to Pure Barre, so at least I have something when I'm injured from running.

Hope it's just something that needs some PT.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on April 18, 2016, 11:35:55 am
Watching those Boston results come in...jeebus
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on March 06, 2017, 03:32:30 pm
I scaled back to the Rock-N-Roll 5K this year...Anyone else running? 
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: ggw on March 06, 2017, 03:50:44 pm
I'm running the half.  But I am in the middle of a whole re-do of my running style so I expect the run will be uncomfortable and the time will be abysmal. 
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on March 07, 2017, 12:00:32 pm
I may actually skip a spring race this year.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Space Freely on March 07, 2017, 12:19:21 pm
My heel spur from last year healed in due time. But I've become too fat, old, and debilitated to do any kind of "racing". As if a marathon could actually be considered "racing" for us mid to back of packers.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on March 27, 2017, 02:24:19 pm
I started running the parkrun College Park 5K races on Saturday mornings.  If you're nearby and feel inclined, its a great, low-key, no-pressure weekly race.  And its freeeeeeee!

http://www.parkrun.us/collegepark/
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on April 13, 2017, 12:01:16 pm
half-marathon tip: drink a beer every mile, finish under 1:45. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2703278-runner-drinks-a-beer-for-every-mile-of-half-marathon-finishes-in-under-2-hours)
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: evilizac on April 27, 2017, 11:52:17 pm
,
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on April 28, 2017, 11:00:33 am
,

a tribute to walkies?  nice thought, but strange choice of thread to do it in...
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on May 01, 2017, 03:10:55 pm
Guy in gorilla costume finishes London Marathon after 6 days

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/guy-in-gorilla-costume-finishes-london-marathon-after-6-days/ar-BBAyYR6?li=BBnba9I#image=BBAz6k4
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: glorifying peace-hatch ılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|lıl on March 25, 2019, 03:08:45 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/k43G3R8.jpg)
Meanwhile in Florida, the alligators have developed sign making skills.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on March 25, 2019, 08:14:37 pm
Forgot about this thread. Just ran my 4th last year (Marine Corps again). Got down to 3:40 and ran every step. Not bad for 40 imo
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on March 25, 2019, 08:31:13 pm
Forgot about this thread. Just ran my 4th last year (Marine Corps again). Got down to 3:40 and ran every step. Not bad for a boy band that spent 13 years on ice.
FTFY.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on March 25, 2019, 08:47:26 pm
Forgot about this thread. Just ran my 4th last year (Marine Corps again). Got down to 3:40 and ran every step. Not bad for 40 imo

Nice time! If they didn't keep changing the qualifying standard, I'd say you're close to Boston!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on March 26, 2019, 08:40:30 am
Forgot about this thread. Just ran my 4th last year (Marine Corps again). Got down to 3:40 and ran every step. Not bad for 40 imo

Kick ass! I am not that fast. Trying to volunteer for the remembrance mile this year at MCM. After 6 in a row, I'm taking a break and running Chicago full and the Wineglass 1/2 this year. Anyone running B&A 1/2 or full this weekend?
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on March 26, 2019, 08:41:18 am
Also, my husband ran MCM in 3:40. Maybe you were next to each other!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on March 26, 2019, 08:45:54 am
That's cool! Though by the end, all I could think of was that every single step was the most painful step I've ever taken in my life :)  That last uphill 1/10th of a mile almost did me in. 

Also, my husband ran MCM in 3:40. Maybe you were next to each other!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on March 26, 2019, 08:52:10 am
Anyone running B&A 1/2 or full this weekend?

I haven't run a full since 2015, but I'm gonna train again this summer.  Gonna run a fall race, hopefully.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Space Freely on March 26, 2019, 10:26:01 am
My heel spur from last year healed in due time. But I've become too fat, old, and debilitated to do any kind of "racing". As if a marathon could actually be considered "racing" for us mid to back of packers.

Two years on from this post and I'm probably not officially retired from marathons. Persistent feet and knee problems. 17 marathons in 22 years, but Baltimore 2013 was my last one. I also like to brag that in my lifetime it seems likely I have ran at least the circumference of the earth (24,901 miles).
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on March 26, 2019, 10:35:21 am
At the moment, I'm saying I'm retired from full ones.  I was really surprised at how well I did last year (cut about 10 minutes off my time, recovered way faster than previous races), but the training just takes so much time.  It's kind of hard to be gone for 3 - 4 hours on nice weekend days, especially when my kids are still at the age where they want to be around me.  We'll see though...i've thought this same thing after each previous race.

Two years on from this post and I'm probably not officially retired from marathons. Persistent feet and knee problems. 17 marathons in 22 years, but Baltimore 2013 was my last one. I also like to brag that in my lifetime it seems likely I have ran at least the circumference of the earth (24,901 miles).
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Space Freely on March 26, 2019, 10:40:28 am
At the moment, I'm saying I'm retired from full ones.  I was really surprised at how well I did last year (cut about 10 minutes off my time, recovered way faster than previous races), but the training just takes so much time.  It's kind of hard to be gone for 3 - 4 hours on nice weekend days, especially when my kids are still at the age where they want to be around me.  We'll see though...i've thought this same thing after each previous race.

Two years on from this post and I'm probably not officially retired from marathons. Persistent feet and knee problems. 17 marathons in 22 years, but Baltimore 2013 was my last one. I also like to brag that in my lifetime it seems likely I have ran at least the circumference of the earth (24,901 miles).

I just wish I had lasted long enough to have run one that my kid will remember. She was six when I did my last one and she's already forgotten it. Also, apologies to half marathoners who I used to make fun of. I'd be happy if I could gut out a half these days.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: glorifying peace-hatch ılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|lıl on March 26, 2019, 10:49:57 am
especially when my kids are still at the age where they want to be around me. 
that won't last long...Don't miss that opportunity
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on March 26, 2019, 10:53:26 am
LOl no joke. I was at a wedding right in the worst part of training (3 back to back 20 miler weeks) and talked to a women training for a half. She pointed out her long run was like 11 miles...that seemed like a dream!

At the moment, I'm saying I'm retired from full ones.  I was really surprised at how well I did last year (cut about 10 minutes off my time, recovered way faster than previous races), but the training just takes so much time.  It's kind of hard to be gone for 3 - 4 hours on nice weekend days, especially when my kids are still at the age where they want to be around me.  We'll see though...i've thought this same thing after each previous race.

Two years on from this post and I'm probably not officially retired from marathons. Persistent feet and knee problems. 17 marathons in 22 years, but Baltimore 2013 was my last one. I also like to brag that in my lifetime it seems likely I have ran at least the circumference of the earth (24,901 miles).

I just wish I had lasted long enough to have run one that my kid will remember. She was six when I did my last one and she's already forgotten it. Also, apologies to half marathoners who I used to make fun of. I'd be happy if I could gut out a half these days.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on March 26, 2019, 10:56:31 am
I had an epic season in 2015, where I PR'd at every distance I ran and qualified with a 3:24.  As soon as that ended, I caught a serious case of mindblock, where I doubted I could ever do that again.  I stopped training for 2 years and am now just getting serious about rebuilding my endurance.  I'm reconciled to the idea that the speed is gone and I'm just getting older...
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Relaxer on March 26, 2019, 11:29:33 am
One thing that I used to do was to bring one of my kids down to Hains Point and I would run laps while they biked alongside me. It was really enjoyable, but then my pace slowed and theirs sped up so after a few years, that was that.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Justin Tonation on September 22, 2019, 09:15:41 pm
ISO Apple Watch fitness app that allows me to edit workout details (calories burned, etc.) on the watch instead of having to do it on the iPhone. I'm fine with a parent app that needs to live on the phone, but I want to workout without my phone.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: glorifying peace-hatch ılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|lıl on September 23, 2019, 09:33:10 am
ISO Apple Watch fitness app that allows me to edit workout details (calories burned, etc.) on the watch instead of having to do it on the iPhone. I'm fine with a parent app that needs to live on the phone, but I want to workout without my phone.
Why do you want to edit the calories burned?
if you don't bring your phone will it not track the workout?
No advice on app though
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: WalkOnBack on September 23, 2019, 09:48:36 am
Maybe it's just me, but this is how I perceive all runners:

"I used to run 15 marathons every month; I ran a 1000 miles every day; I used to run run run run. But now my body, is all fucked up and I can barely walk.  Why, did I do that to myself."

Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: glorifying peace-hatch ılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|lıl on September 23, 2019, 10:01:46 am
Maybe it's just me, but this is how I perceive all runners:
well maybe not all...but I was going to remind you to log in with your Space account after that

almost three decades ago I was happily a mid distance runner.  But no more, I'm a heavy foot and it just is too much for my old bones to bear

I don't understand a lot of runners.
I would say close to 75% of the people I see running on the trails have a grimace on their face that makes it look like they are truly hating what they are doing
that I don't get
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on September 23, 2019, 10:04:30 am
I smoked a bunch of cigarettes and then decided to take up running. Not a fast runner, but I love it and it changed my life.

Chicago Marathon in 3 weeks.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: WalkOnBack on September 23, 2019, 10:04:56 am
Maybe it's just me, but this is how I perceive all runners:
well maybe not all...but I was going to remind you to log in with your Space account after that

If I was Space, I would make sure to include whatever my kid is doing, within my posting.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on September 23, 2019, 10:09:41 am
Maybe it's just me, but this is how I perceive all runners:

"I used to run 15 marathons every month; I ran a 1000 miles every day; I used to run run run run. But now my body, is all fucked up and I can barely walk.  Why, did I do that to myself."



Holy shit you know me so well! How did you get inside my head? Are you stalking me?!?
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on September 23, 2019, 10:11:23 am
Maybe it's just me, but this is how I perceive all runners:
well maybe not all...but I was going to remind you to log in with your Space account after that

If I was Space, I would make sure to include whatever my kid is doing, within my posting.
Rare savage burn from Walkie. I LOLed.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: glorifying peace-hatch ılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|lıl on October 12, 2019, 04:02:20 pm
Eliud Kipchoge breaks the  2-Hour Marathon Barrier
in my best shape I don't think I could ever do 4:34 mile...this guy does 26
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on October 12, 2019, 04:03:43 pm
Hey k8teebug - have a great race tomorrow!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Space Freely on October 13, 2019, 03:18:38 pm
Eliud Kipchoge breaks the  2-Hour Marathon Barrier
in my best shape I don't think I could ever do 4:34 mile...this guy does 26

Were you on the track team? Anything under 5 mins is considered excellent for a high school runner, 4:34 would be phenomenal. (3:43 is the world record.)
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: glorifying peace-hatch ılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|lıl on October 13, 2019, 04:59:36 pm
Eliud Kipchoge breaks the  2-Hour Marathon Barrier
in my best shape I don't think I could ever do 4:34 mile...this guy does 26

Were you on the track team? Anything under 5 mins is considered excellent for a high school runner, 4:34 would be phenomenal. (3:43 is the world record.)
Never broke 5, I recall getting 5:05 ...30 years ago
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Space Freely on October 13, 2019, 05:23:08 pm
Eliud Kipchoge breaks the  2-Hour Marathon Barrier
in my best shape I don't think I could ever do 4:34 mile...this guy does 26

Were you on the track team? Anything under 5 mins is considered excellent for a high school runner, 4:34 would be phenomenal. (3:43 is the world record.)
Never broke 5, I recall getting 5:05 ...30 years ago

Nice! My hat is off to you. My best mile time was actually pretty slow. 10K was probably my best distance back in the day(in my mid-20's).
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: glorifying peace-hatch ılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|lıl on October 14, 2019, 09:06:51 am
Eliud Kipchoge breaks the  2-Hour Marathon Barrier
in my best shape I don't think I could ever do 4:34 mile...this guy does 26
I was wondering what they meant by 'assisted' marathon
The Greatest, Fakest World Record (https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2019/10/kipchoges-sub-two-hour-marathon-how-legitimate-it/599974/)

To sustain this blistering pace, Kipchoge ran under conditions that had been painstakingly and exclusively arranged to push him beyond the two-hour barrier. The INEOS 1:59 Challenge was not a race by any strict definition: It was simply Kipchoge, joined by a rotating phalanx of pacesetters

Still an amazing feat no less
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on October 14, 2019, 09:08:37 am
There was a time not so long ago that people believed no human could run a sub-2 hour marathon, under any conditions.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Julian, Adroit TASTEMAKER on October 14, 2019, 09:32:04 am
There was a time not so long ago that people believed no human could run a sub-2 hour marathon, under any conditions.
(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-06/10/22/enhanced/webdr08/anigif_enhanced-26314-1433990758-9.gif)
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: glorifying peace-hatch ılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|lıl on October 18, 2019, 12:11:34 pm
so are you guys now sporting the Nike Vaporfly kicks....
In the last 13 months alone, male runners have recorded the 5 fastest marathon times ever in Vaporfly's
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on October 18, 2019, 12:16:46 pm
Yeah, no. I won't even be setting my own personal record next week...
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: glorifying peace-hatch ılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|lıl on October 18, 2019, 12:17:30 pm
Yeah, no. I won't even be setting my own personal record next week...
you might if you had the Vaporfly!

I'm just offering you a tip...as this is the Marathon Tips? thread
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on October 18, 2019, 12:18:48 pm
I'm 20-30 minutes off, but if VaporFly can do that, I'm all in!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on October 18, 2019, 03:05:56 pm
so are you guys now sporting the Nike Vaporfly kicks....
In the last 13 months alone, male runners have recorded the 5 fastest marathon times ever in Vaporfly's

$250+ for shoes that are creating problems (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/18/sports/marathon-running-nike-vaporfly-shoes.html)?  no thanks!

(as if a slowpoke like me should even be opining here...)
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: glorifying peace-hatch ılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|lıl on October 18, 2019, 03:17:28 pm
I'm 20-30 minutes off, but if VaporFly can do that, I'm all in!

A 2018 New York Times data analysis based on public race results uploaded to Strava, the athlete-tracking and networking company, found that runners in Vaporflys ran 3 to 4 percent faster than similar runners wearing other shoes
.

what would a 4% improvement be to your current best
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on October 18, 2019, 03:22:24 pm
Golly, um.  PR from 2015 was 3:24, or 204 minutes.  4% of 204 is 8:10 minutes.
I'll be overjoyed to hit 3:45 this year, or 225 minutes.  4% of 225 is 9:00 minutes.
I'll be disappointed to go over 4:00, or 240 minutes.  4% of 240 is 9:36 minutes.

Also, I doubt the shoes actually do that.  Maybe if you were wearing wooden clogs before...
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: vansmack on October 18, 2019, 03:23:56 pm
Whatever you do, make sure you don't train in them and wear them for the first time to race in.   
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: glorifying peace-hatch ılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|lıl on October 18, 2019, 03:30:50 pm
Whatever you do, make sure you don't train in them and wear them for the first time to race in.
I know, grateful should really train in his wooden clogs before trying to run a marathon in them
sheesh
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on October 22, 2019, 09:44:15 am
Yeah, no. I won't even be setting my own personal record next week...
you might if you had the Vaporfly!

I'm just offering you a tip...as this is the Marathon Tips? thread

My friends swear by the vaporflys, but I haven't been able to plunk down the money just yet.

My hips IMPLODED again at Chicago. So disappointing. Was going to PT and running all my long runs on the flat trail at NCR with no problems at all this summer. PR'ed at Parks by 5 mins for my 1/2 marathon time.  I think it was standing outside in the cold for 3 hours and then starting out too fast (and how flat it was). Still fun to run my favorite city, but would have preferred to not stop at every medical tent to get my hips worked on so I could keep run/walking after mile 9. Ugh. Onto the next one...
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on October 22, 2019, 09:45:02 am
Hey k8teebug - have a great race tomorrow!

Thanks!!!!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on October 22, 2019, 09:46:04 am
Anyone running MCM this weekend? I will be out there cheering with my purple hair!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on October 22, 2019, 10:04:25 am
Anyone running MCM this weekend? I will be out there cheering with my purple hair!

I'll be running!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on October 22, 2019, 04:28:20 pm
best of luck at the MCM, k8t and heilung.

such a fun race - for spectators.  the missus ran it several times, and because of the course layout i could meet up with her 5 or 6 times during the race.  even did the last one with the kiddos in a stroller (a jogger, naturally).  didn't jump the fence and do the last few miles with her that year, tho.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: hutch on October 22, 2019, 04:29:29 pm
Bunch of masochists
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on October 22, 2019, 04:30:24 pm
Thanks, sweetcell
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on October 22, 2019, 04:31:08 pm
Bunch of masochists

Acknowledge your limits, then exceed them. Dont be defined by what you think you cant do.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on October 23, 2019, 02:22:28 pm
best of luck at the MCM, k8t and heilung.

such a fun race - for spectators.  the missus ran it several times, and because of the course layout i could meet up with her 5 or 6 times during the race.  even did the last one with the kiddos in a stroller (a jogger, naturally).  didn't jump the fence and do the last few miles with her that year, tho.

I'm cheering this year and running a few with my friend who decided to run the 50K. any spectator tips are appreciated!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on October 23, 2019, 02:24:49 pm
WTF 60 and rain.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: glorifying peace-hatch ılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|lıl on October 23, 2019, 02:29:09 pm
any spectator tips are appreciated!
bring marbles?
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/l0MYt4KOcbySazGiQ/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on October 23, 2019, 03:42:33 pm
any spectator tips are appreciated!

MCM_WalkingMap.png= https://photos.app.goo.gl/bexetGS67PoDgQBg6 (https://photos.app.goo.gl/bexetGS67PoDgQBg6)

this is how i've done it.  follow the yellow line starting just past mile 1, green dots represent viewing/cheering/waiting points. 

i also put together a google spreadsheet with miles and estimated times - between that and the live online tracking (for adjusting times on the spreadsheet), i knew when to expect the missus to pass by.  it's easy to jump the fence (since there isn't any) and join your runner for the last few miles, assuming you're vaguely dressed up like a runner yourself (backpacks are a giveaway).

don't say i don't ever do anything for ya.

WTF 60 and rain.

at least you won't overheat?
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on October 23, 2019, 03:45:22 pm
Awesome! Thanks so much! Will wear my poncho.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: glorifying peace-hatch ılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|lıl on October 23, 2019, 03:45:34 pm
i also put together a google spreadsheet with miles and estimated times - between that and the live online tracking (for adjusting times on the spreadsheet)
very on brand
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on October 23, 2019, 03:58:36 pm
i also put together a google spreadsheet with miles and estimated times - between that and the live online tracking (for adjusting times on the spreadsheet)
very on brand

information is power.  no apologies for my optimizations. 
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on October 28, 2019, 09:24:10 am
How was everyone's MCM? TOUGH OUT THERE yesterday.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on October 28, 2019, 12:14:14 pm
I did OK. It didn't feel good, but I came in at the slow end of my goal.  I talked to so many people who ran their slowest race ever. The conditions were brutal, and runners were suffering out there. Looking forward to running Rehoboth, where things should be alot better!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: glorifying peace-hatch ılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|lıl on October 28, 2019, 12:19:39 pm
the rain was insane from 10-11, was having a hard time driving, so only imagine it was hard for the runners
saw a bunch of you and gave a few cheers as was taking my kid to the Nat'l Gall East Wing
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: glorifying peace-hatch ılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|lıl on November 04, 2019, 04:47:51 pm
How Fast Would You Run A Marathon? (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/marathon-calculator/)

although I noticed there was not a field to say if you wore vaporflies?
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on November 06, 2019, 08:23:36 pm
so are you guys now sporting the Nike Vaporfly kicks....
In the last 13 months alone, male runners have recorded the 5 fastest marathon times ever in Vaporfly's

The winner of the New York City Marathon and the fastest marathoner in the world have one thing in common: Both wear the same controversial shoes (https://www.businessinsider.com/marathon-champs-wear-nike-vaporfly-4-shoes-controversy-2019-11)
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on February 06, 2020, 02:45:44 pm
Nike's controversial shoe will be commercially available this year (https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/06/sport/nike-alphafly-shoe-running-spt-intl/index.html)
A variant of the shoe that powered the first ever sub-two-hour marathon could be yours later this year.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: glorifying peace-hatch ılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|lıl on February 06, 2020, 02:48:44 pm
I've found when I sit on the couch with my Nike Vaporfly's...my belly grows faster than it did before...amazing shoes
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: hutch on February 06, 2020, 03:12:21 pm
Do not wear shoes and I recommend training in Gaborone
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Space Freely on February 06, 2020, 03:47:07 pm
With Stage 3 arthritis in my knee, my marathoning days are officially over.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on February 06, 2020, 03:50:52 pm
maybe the vaporflies can counter that?
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: hutch on February 06, 2020, 04:33:39 pm
Did you get arthritis from all the running or ballooning?!?

What did your hot Dr say?
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Space Freely on February 06, 2020, 07:14:16 pm
Did you get arthritis from all the running or ballooning?!?

What did your hot Dr say?

What is ballooning?

Neither my PCP nor the orthopedist could give me a definitive answer on that. IMO, the running contributed. He said he didn't think it would make it worse to keep running in moderation, though why run if you're in pain? There's other ways to exercise. I was also diagnosed with rotator cuff tendonitis, frozen shoulder, and plantar fibroma. Still nothing about my hands. Getting old, good times!

With all the old people on here, maybe we should do a health woes thread?
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: hutch on February 06, 2020, 07:49:47 pm
I see

Ballooning is putting on weight
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Space Freely on February 06, 2020, 08:13:02 pm
I see

Ballooning is putting on weight

Haha.

It's actually a medical term as well.

ballooning. A descriptive term for the biconcave compression of the end-plate of a vertebral body caused by increased pressure in the intervertebral discs, usually in the lumbar spine, which may be seen in osteoporosis.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on February 06, 2020, 08:22:25 pm
With all the old people on here, maybe we should do a health woes thread?

i'm 99% certain that we had a "ain't young anymore"/"getting old sucks" thread at one point but can't find it.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: hutch on February 06, 2020, 08:46:08 pm
I really think a couple of extra hundred pounds puts a lot of strain on the knees
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: glorifying peace-hatch ılıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|lıl on February 06, 2020, 10:14:07 pm
With all the old people on here, maybe we should do a health woes thread?

i'm 99% certain that we had a "ain't young anymore"/"getting old sucks" thread at one point but can't find it.
please for the love of god, don't start that thread
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on February 07, 2020, 12:09:02 am
With all the old people on here, maybe we should do a health woes thread?

i'm 99% certain that we had a "ain't young anymore"/"getting old sucks" thread at one point but can't find it.
please for the love of god, don't start that thread

i would if i could, but my lumbago is killing me...
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on February 26, 2020, 12:10:19 pm
I got into the NYC Marathon!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on February 26, 2020, 12:11:04 pm
OMG Yesss!!!!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: nkotb on February 26, 2020, 12:55:02 pm
Nice...congrats!  That one was really super duper fun!
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on March 16, 2020, 10:39:44 am
Montgomery County Road Runners cancelled all events through 31 March.  There is some discussion bubbling up in the larger endurance community that new guidelines will cancel everything through June 15.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: K8teebug on March 17, 2020, 08:42:14 am
I don't think we're racing any day soon. I'm running solo.
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on March 25, 2020, 04:18:00 pm
sign o' the times:

(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/90816447_10222646377414951_4529530011383758848_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_oc=AQkpPElxvZAtb2b7S41yEV98p2ixE-tuJO0w2e0AG9lvSXbU7di7oUFRA0uPbTjdcQw&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=77789ccab035ecfdc07b4fd52e40fa39&oe=5EA2048E)
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: Heilung4eva on May 02, 2020, 08:31:57 pm
Apparently in lieu of actual races, everyone is running across Tennessee, virtually.

https://runsignup.com/Race/TN/Memphis/TheGreatVirtualRaceAcrossTennessee1000K
Title: Re: Marathon Tips?
Post by: sweetcell on May 03, 2020, 02:08:49 am
someone in my running group had been training for a marathon, then the pandemic hit.  he continued to train, and today he ran a marathon - in his neighborhood.  he plotted a course just a little over 4 miles and ran it 6 times for a total of 26.6 miles (overachiever).  we followed him live on Strava, his wife was outside handing him water, tweeting comments and passing on our words of encouragement.  she live-streamed the last mile and the collapse at the finish line (AKA his front yard).  it was an uplifting experience.