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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on June 18, 2011, 09:56:08 pm
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EIGHT STRAIGHT, baby. When they're not putting 10 runs on the board every night, they're hitting timely homers and RBIs and kicking the shit out of pathetic franchises like the whOrioles. Mark it down: Mike Morse is a fucking All-Star. Jordan Zimmermann: $$$.
That double-clutch by Jayson Werth today was bullshit. He should have totally unloaded.
WAR baseball in the District!
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this is great to see after following the nats since they came here in '05. i've never seen the franchise display as much heart as this current lineup. i was hoping for 75 wins this year and we might just get it. it'll be interesting to see if they can hang around the wild card race. i still think they are too young and inexperienced to consistently win, but they're coming together well. espy should be rookie of the year, and the starting rotation has far exceeded expectations despite missing stras. morse is a beast. nats will be contenders next year...
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Baseball is gay.
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don't know why people use 'gay' as an adjective...gay can be good ya know.
Baseball is gay.
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How long is Strasburg out for? Is he out for the year? ;D
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Baseball is gay.
It will be on Tuesday.
http://www.teamdc.org/noan.html
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oh wow!
Baseball is gay.
It will be on Tuesday.
http://www.teamdc.org/noan.html
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this is great to see after following the nats since they came here in '05. i've never seen the franchise display as much heart as this current lineup. i was hoping for 75 wins this year and we might just get it. it'll be interesting to see if they can hang around the wild card race. i still think they are too young and inexperienced to consistently win, but they're coming together well. espy should be rookie of the year, and the starting rotation has far exceeded expectations despite missing stras. morse is a beast. nats will be contenders next year...
Espinosa has been incredible. I think the lineup really got jumpstarted with the return of Ryan Zimmerman and the defense has been outstanding as well (save for Sunday).
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Baseball is gay.
It will be on Tuesday.
http://www.teamdc.org/noan.html
See? I told you it was gay....
P.S. when is the Nationals Hetro-night?
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Ah, the false-optimism created by a winning streak....
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.237 batting average=incredible?
this is great to see after following the nats since they came here in '05. i've never seen the franchise display as much heart as this current lineup. i was hoping for 75 wins this year and we might just get it. it'll be interesting to see if they can hang around the wild card race. i still think they are too young and inexperienced to consistently win, but they're coming together well. espy should be rookie of the year, and the starting rotation has far exceeded expectations despite missing stras. morse is a beast. nats will be contenders next year...
Espinosa has been incredible. I think the lineup really got jumpstarted with the return of Ryan Zimmerman and the defense has been outstanding as well (save for Sunday).
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.237 batting average=incredible?
for someone on the Nationals, yes.
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You mean pejorative?
don't know why people use 'gay' as an adjective...gay can be good ya know.
Baseball is gay.
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I'm going with my gut, James. [/joemorgan]
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http://mlbdirt.com/2011/06/20/danny-espinosa-should-be-an-all-star/
.237 batting average=incredible?
this is great to see after following the nats since they came here in '05. i've never seen the franchise display as much heart as this current lineup. i was hoping for 75 wins this year and we might just get it. it'll be interesting to see if they can hang around the wild card race. i still think they are too young and inexperienced to consistently win, but they're coming together well. espy should be rookie of the year, and the starting rotation has far exceeded expectations despite missing stras. morse is a beast. nats will be contenders next year...
Espinosa has been incredible. I think the lineup really got jumpstarted with the return of Ryan Zimmerman and the defense has been outstanding as well (save for Sunday).
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espinosa's numbers are actually really impressive for a rookie. he's brought his average up to .237 from about .200 a month ago. if he ends up the year hitting .270 with 25 homers and 90 rbis, that's exceptional for a rookie in a pitching-dominated year. also, his defense has been great and he's a hustler. the nats needed someone exactly like espy to come along to build the franchise around. with ramos still developing, stras coming back in september (hopefully), and bryce harper coming upo next year (probably), the nats have a solid nucleus of youth to build around. they're finally turning a corner.
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I wish I could find a job that pays me gazillions of dollars for doing what I'm supposed to do only 27% of the time.
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I wish I could find a job that pays me gazillions of dollars for doing what I'm supposed to do only 27% of the time.
Hope its not something involving math.
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I wish I could find a job that pays me gazillions of dollars for doing what I'm supposed to do only 27% of the time.
Hope its not something involving math.
(http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/standdeliver1_1454.jpg)
;D
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I wish I could find a job that pays me gazillions of dollars for doing what I'm supposed to do only 27% of the time.
Hope its not something involving math.
if he ends up the year hitting .270
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So, if you have a player that has 35 hits in 120 at bats over the course of the first couple months of the season, you take those 35 hits and divide them by 120 at bats. Calculators are perfect for this because they already put the average in decimal form. In this example, this player would have a .292 batting average. Batting averages are always calculated out to three digits, so be sure to round off that third number!
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Didn't quite make your projections did he? .236/21hr/66rbi last year.
Think he'll get 30 rbi this year?
espinosa's numbers are actually really impressive for a rookie. he's brought his average up to .237 from about .200 a month ago. if he ends up the year hitting .270 with 25 homers and 90 rbis, that's exceptional for a rookie in a pitching-dominated year. also, his defense has been great and he's a hustler. the nats needed someone exactly like espy to come along to build the franchise around. with ramos still developing, stras coming back in september (hopefully), and bryce harper coming upo next year (probably), the nats have a solid nucleus of youth to build around. they're finally turning a corner.
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If you're going to dig up a thread, this is the thread to dig up:
Baltimore Orioles (http://www.930.com/forum/index.php?topic=4200.120) from April 2007 where Smackie, Pollard and Med took issue with Hoya's defense of Boswell saying that the O's were going to be good in 2009-2010.
Originally posted by med:
I wouldn't look for the Nats to be competitive for at least 6-7 years.
i don't have a crystal ball, but i think i'll take boswell's word over your finely-honed analysis, it really seems like you're on top of things here
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3 game sweep of the sox.
2nd best record in the mlb.
only problem? what a fucking brutal schedule they have. al east for interleague play, and the nl east is stacked. both divisions only have one team each below .500, and that's the red sox and the phillies.
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SO happy the team got their first win in Fenway, won the series, and fucking swept them at home. So beautiful. Got to watch the game on Saturday, Ian Desmond is hands down my favorite player on the team. His hitting is absolutely on fire right now and LaRoche, Zim, and Bryce put some fucking weight into that line up. Real happy to see where they go this week with the Yanks comin into town this weekend.
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only problem? what a fucking brutal schedule they have.
must suck for the teams that have to play the nats
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Not to toot my own horn, but I knew that when they signed him last year, LaRoche was going to be huge for the team. That is, if he can stay healthy and not start the season traditionally cold at the plate. Dude has just been sick, sick, sick. Add Desmond, Bryce Harpy and Morse back, we got Murderers Row back in DC.
BEEEE-LEEEVE IT!
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Those four are hitting a combined .263 with 24 home runs in 620 at-bats. Murderers fow indeed!
Not to toot my own horn, but I knew that when they signed him last year, LaRoche was going to be huge for the team. That is, if he can stay healthy and not start the season traditionally cold at the plate. Dude has just been sick, sick, sick. Add Desmond, Bryce Harpy and Morse back, we got Murderers Row back in DC.
BEEEE-LEEEVE IT!
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It's still early. Right O's fans?
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3 game sweep of the sox.
2nd best record in the mlb.
only problem? what a fucking brutal schedule they have. al east for interleague play, and the nl east is stacked. both divisions only have one team each below .500, and that's the red sox and the phillies.
Yeah. Good thing they're not actually IN the AL East. Phew.
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It's still early. Right O's fans?
lol
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It's still early. Right O's fans?
"It sure is!" says the Angels fan.
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And I'm just going to say this because I know none of you stay up late enough to see it for yourselves:
Mike Trout>Bryce Harper
I'm referring to all 5 tools, plus he's better looking and has better hair.
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And I'm just going to say this because I know none of you stay up late enough to see it for yourselves:
Mike Trout>Bryce Harper
I'm referring to all 5 tools, plus he's better looking and has better hair.
haven't seen it first hand. can't argue with the stats. decent article on grantland today comparing there career paths to this point (tl;dr trout wasn't doing what harper was doing at the same age).
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And I'm just going to say this because I know none of you stay up late enough to see it for yourselves:
Mike Trout>Bryce Harper
I'm referring to all 5 tools, plus he's better looking and has better hair.
haven't seen it first hand. can't argue with the stats. decent article on grantland today comparing there career paths to this point (tl;dr trout wasn't doing what harper was doing at the same age).
but harper is like 20 or 19?
harper is great. .hit a huge home run today and legged out a fielder's choice...so far..
holy shit trout is 20..
ok i don't know what to say. i will take a look at him.
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trout wasn't doing what harper was doing at the same age.
You mean going to high school?
I didn't see an article comparing the two. All I saw was the piece on Harper.
One other thing: Trout is not represented by Scott Boras. Have fun!
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trout wasn't doing what harper was doing at the same age.
You mean going to high school?
I didn't see an article comparing the two. All I saw was the piece on Harper.
One other thing: Trout is not represented by Scott Boras. Have fun!
right now he's not, but just wait! being lifelong sox fan... there aren't many people that make me cringe more than scott boras.
it's just a peice on harper, but it compares him and trout indirectly.
trout was called up last year, and didn't excel (limited time, i know). historically speaking, HOF-to be rookies like Arod, KGJr, etc. have had respectable first years but nothing eye-popping like Harper's thus far. Trout has had the luxury of gaining some experience in the big leagues, where Harper has not; and the stats tend to suggest that's a huge deal.
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And I'm just going to say this because I know none of you stay up late enough to see it for yourselves:
Mike Trout>Bryce Harper
I'm referring to all 5 tools, plus he's better looking and has better hair.
We'll see what Harper is doing when he's 20 too ;)
Stras on the mound tonight? I hope he smokes the Jays.
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Isn't Harper batting 300?
I think he's exceeding expectations so far
And i had not realized he was as quick as he is...
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So you're basically saying that rather than being the next A-rod, Harper is the next Fred Lynn?
trout wasn't doing what harper was doing at the same age.
You mean going to high school?
I didn't see an article comparing the two. All I saw was the piece on Harper.
One other thing: Trout is not represented by Scott Boras. Have fun!
right now he's not, but just wait! being lifelong sox fan... there aren't many people that make me cringe more than scott boras.
it's just a peice on harper, but it compares him and trout indirectly.
trout was called up last year, and didn't excel (limited time, i know). historically speaking, HOF-to be rookies like Arod, KGJr, etc. have had respectable first years but nothing eye-popping like Harper's thus far. Trout has had the luxury of gaining some experience in the big leagues, where Harper has not; and the stats tend to suggest that's a huge deal.
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Granted, Trout is ripping it up for a 20 year old and comparing them today they're pretty much dead even. Trout does have the edge by a good amount in AVG .345 vs. .307 and has more stolen bases (15 vs. 4). Everything else is for the most part the same thus far this season.
That being said, Harper just played his 40th game in the majors and comparing his first 40 games in the majors to Trouts debut season in the majors (last year, and coincidentally 40 games while he was 19), there's no comparison.
Trout went .220/.281/.390 over his first 40
Harper went .307/.390/.553 over his first 40
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All that is true, but at least Trout is not a Mormon. Plus, he's better looking.
Granted, Trout is ripping it up for a 20 year old and comparing them today they're pretty much dead even. Trout does have the edge by a good amount in AVG .345 vs. .307 and has more stolen bases (15 vs. 4). Everything else is for the most part the same thus far this season.
That being said, Harper just played his 40th game in the majors and comparing his first 40 games in the majors to Trouts debut season in the majors (last year, and coincidentally 40 games while he was 19), there's no comparison.
Trout went .220/.281/.390 over his first 40
Harper went .307/.390/.553 over his first 40
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That's a clown statement, bro.
All that is true, but at least Trout is not a Mormon. Plus, he's better looking.
Granted, Trout is ripping it up for a 20 year old and comparing them today they're pretty much dead even. Trout does have the edge by a good amount in AVG .345 vs. .307 and has more stolen bases (15 vs. 4). Everything else is for the most part the same thus far this season.
That being said, Harper just played his 40th game in the majors and comparing his first 40 games in the majors to Trouts debut season in the majors (last year, and coincidentally 40 games while he was 19), there's no comparison.
Trout went .220/.281/.390 over his first 40
Harper went .307/.390/.553 over his first 40
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Tyler Moore is fucking abusing the Blue Jays right now
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All that is true, but at least Trout is not a Mormon. Plus, he's better looking.
Granted, Trout is ripping it up for a 20 year old and comparing them today they're pretty much dead even. Trout does have the edge by a good amount in AVG .345 vs. .307 and has more stolen bases (15 vs. 4). Everything else is for the most part the same thus far this season.
That being said, Harper just played his 40th game in the majors and comparing his first 40 games in the majors to Trouts debut season in the majors (last year, and coincidentally 40 games while he was 19), there's no comparison.
Trout went .220/.281/.390 over his first 40
Harper went .307/.390/.553 over his first 40
Ha, if I were a stud baseball player at 19, I'd be down with polygamy as well, can't say I blame him.
As far as the looking better.. Smackie said the same thing. What pictures are you guys finding to make this claim? Granted, Bryce has a douchey 19-year old beard in a lot of photos, but Trout looks like a pastey doughboy in every photo that just popped up when I googled him. It's a wash at best.
I don't follow much national media, but is Trout vs. Harper a big debate outside of this message board? I really hope not as I'm assuming that will quickly lead into the ever-so-tired east coast bias rantings that everyone (i would hope) is tired of.
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Another nice thing about being on the West Coast.... #perfectgames
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Another nice thing about being on the West Coast.... #perfectgames
So when nobody hits the fucking ball, that's considered exciting and entertaining?
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You're going to just wet your trollys watching a 5 day testcricket match...
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I miss the good old days when Mankie used to call it "runny-catchy".
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I miss the good old days when Mankie used to call it "runny-catchy".
foot(?)ball = runny-catchy
baseball = hitty-runny (aka no-hitty-runny)
basketball =bouncy-netty
Hockey = Hockey....eh?
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That's pretty good, but you're no Mankie.
I miss the good old days when Mankie used to call it "runny-catchy".
foot(?)ball = runny-catchy
baseball = hitty-runny (aka no-hitty-runny)
basketball =bouncy-netty
Hockey = Hockey....eh?
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As far as the looking better.. Smackie said the same thing. What pictures are you guys finding to make this claim? Granted, Bryce has a douchey 19-year old beard in a lot of photos, but Trout looks like a pastey doughboy in every photo that just popped up when I googled him. It's a wash at best.
Obviously, I was joking. I was referencing the discussion amongst the scouts in "Moneyball" when they were down to the ridiculous things like "looks like a baseball player" and "He passes the eye candy test. He's got the looks, he's great at playing the part" although I give them full credence on the "ugly girlfriend means no confidence" line. Totally true. Plus it's a sign of poor vision.
I don't follow much national media, but is Trout vs. Harper a big debate outside of this message board? I really hope not as I'm assuming that will quickly lead into the ever-so-tired east coast bias rantings that everyone (i would hope) is tired of.
What spurred my post was a ridiculous discussion on one of those ESPN talking heads shows that fill the afternoon with yelling and buzzers and bells. They were asked "Trout vs Harper - who's the better player?" and every East Coast writer said "Well, I haven't seen Trout play yet, but definitely Harper. He has all the tools" and I thought to myself (1) how is sports writing your job and you haven't seen Mike Trout play this season and (2) how do you say you like the guy you've seen because he "has all the tools" when the other guy you haven't seen has better numbers in the 4 offensive categories AND plays center field. Ridiculous.
Anyhow, only Bill Plaschke (LA Times) said "The only true thing you guys said was that you 'haven't seen Trout play yet' because you all made ridiculous arguments that aren't based on anything other than hype."
Made me think of this thread...so whether it's East vs West or not, I can tell you I've seen them both play, a lot, and while I'd like either as a franchise player, I'm taking Trout over Harper, and it's memorialized here for all to reference later.
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So when nobody hits the fucking ball, that's considered exciting and entertaining?
That's about about as naive a statement as an American who dislikes soccer because there's not enough scoring.
Welcome back.
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That's a clown statement, bro.
Great line. He's gonna get the credit for it, but Nat's PR did a wonderful job with that question - perfectly executed.
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So when nobody hits the fucking ball, that's considered exciting and entertaining?
That's about about as naive a statement as an American who dislikes soccer because there's not enough scoring.
Welcome back.
err....that was my point.
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As far as the looking better.. Smackie said the same thing. What pictures are you guys finding to make this claim? Granted, Bryce has a douchey 19-year old beard in a lot of photos, but Trout looks like a pastey doughboy in every photo that just popped up when I googled him. It's a wash at best.
Obviously, I was joking. I was referencing the discussion amongst the scouts in "Moneyball" when they were down to the ridiculous things like "looks like a baseball player" and "He passes the eye candy test. He's got the looks, he's great at playing the part" although I give them full credence on the "ugly girlfriend means no confidence" line. Totally true. Plus it's a sign of poor vision.
I don't follow much national media, but is Trout vs. Harper a big debate outside of this message board? I really hope not as I'm assuming that will quickly lead into the ever-so-tired east coast bias rantings that everyone (i would hope) is tired of.
What spurred my post was a ridiculous discussion on one of those ESPN talking heads shows that fill the afternoon with yelling and buzzers and bells. They were asked "Trout vs Harper - who's the better player?" and every East Coast writer said "Well, I haven't seen Trout play yet, but definitely Harper. He has all the tools" and I thought to myself (1) how is sports writing your job and you haven't seen Mike Trout play this season and (2) how do you say you like the guy you've seen because he "has all the tools" when the other guy you haven't seen has better numbers in the 4 offensive categories AND plays center field. Ridiculous.
Anyhow, only Bill Plaschke (LA Times) said "The only true thing you guys said was that you 'haven't seen Trout play yet' because you all made ridiculous arguments that aren't based on anything other than hype."
Made me think of this thread...so whether it's East vs West or not, I can tell you I've seen them both play, a lot, and while I'd like either as a franchise player, I'm taking Trout over Harper, and it's memorialized here for all to reference later.
Got it.
Agreed, Trout looks more like a baseball player and is clearly a better 5-tool player at this point.
Harper has played like 150-175 games in his life in the outfield, so hopefully he can close that gap and become better defensively (I've seen some woeful errors already out of him), but if he doesn't, I'm not sure it's going to hurt him (unless he has aspirations for a gold glove).
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As far as the looking better.. Smackie said the same thing. What pictures are you guys finding to make this claim? Granted, Bryce has a douchey 19-year old beard in a lot of photos, but Trout looks like a pastey doughboy in every photo that just popped up when I googled him. It's a wash at best.
Obviously, I was joking. I was referencing the discussion amongst the scouts in "Moneyball" when they were down to the ridiculous things like "looks like a baseball player" and "He passes the eye candy test. He's got the looks, he's great at playing the part" although I give them full credence on the "ugly girlfriend means no confidence" line. Totally true. Plus it's a sign of poor vision.
I don't follow much national media, but is Trout vs. Harper a big debate outside of this message board? I really hope not as I'm assuming that will quickly lead into the ever-so-tired east coast bias rantings that everyone (i would hope) is tired of.
What spurred my post was a ridiculous discussion on one of those ESPN talking heads shows that fill the afternoon with yelling and buzzers and bells. They were asked "Trout vs Harper - who's the better player?" and every East Coast writer said "Well, I haven't seen Trout play yet, but definitely Harper. He has all the tools" and I thought to myself (1) how is sports writing your job and you haven't seen Mike Trout play this season and (2) how do you say you like the guy you've seen because he "has all the tools" when the other guy you haven't seen has better numbers in the 4 offensive categories AND plays center field. Ridiculous.
Anyhow, only Bill Plaschke (LA Times) said "The only true thing you guys said was that you 'haven't seen Trout play yet' because you all made ridiculous arguments that aren't based on anything other than hype."
Made me think of this thread...so whether it's East vs West or not, I can tell you I've seen them both play, a lot, and while I'd like either as a franchise player, I'm taking Trout over Harper, and it's memorialized here for all to reference later.
I was actually watching Around The Horn when this came on, the east coast guy [from Washington] definitely said "I like Harper, but I have not seen enough of Trout" i think they split, 2 took Harper, 2 took Trout. I think it was the guy from Texas who had a bunch of stats on Trout. The next night they all agreed that it was in fact "A clown question, bro" though.
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Heading to the Yankees game tonight, trying to keep up my one game per home series pace.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/14/daly-harper-trout-think-mays-mantle/
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From Buster Olney's Blog...
? Mike Trout and Bryce Harper are having the kind of impact within the game that Magic Johnson and Larry Bird did during the 1979-80 season, with opposing executives and players marveling over their skills.
One GM says that Trout is the closest thing to Rickey Henderson that we've seen. "This kid's actually faster than Rickey," said the GM. "He just rockets around the bases; you don't find players that skilled."
"I don't think TV does him justice on how good he is."
Said another GM: "I've seen Trout and Harper in the last few weeks, and I can't remember the last time I saw two dynamic players that young. They're all tooled-up, and they know how to play."
Adam Kilgore asks: Should Bryce Harper be an All-Star?
The answer is yes.
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Of course Bryce Harper should be an All-Star. That's a clown question, bro. Now the real question is whether Matheny will screw him out of a spot because "he hasn't paid his dues yet."
Still waiting for Harper to come in cleats up on Hamels at first base sometime.
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How about beating the Yankees. Once.
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How about beating the Yankees. Once.
big bummer for sure... but the yankees are the yankees..
still, to have them come in to your house and take 3 of 3 is demoralizing...
i love davey johnson but i can't help but wonder about whether he didn't have them ready for the YANKEES.
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It would have been nice if you would have swept them for us Orioles fans. We took 2 out of 3 from the Braves for you guys!
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How about beating the Yankees. Once.
big bummer for sure... but the yankees are the yankees..
still, to have them come in to your house and take 3 of 3 is demoralizing...
i love davey johnson but i can't help but wonder about whether he didn't have them ready for the YANKEES.
Even if the didn't they kept it close in most of the games, especially the 2nd game. It wasn't too deflating for me, but seeing almost everything the Nats hit end up in the Yanks gloves was super frustrating and stranding all those runners as well. I'd like to say we held our own, but we lost by multiple runs in each game. I don''t think this is the start of a downward spiral at all though, they've still won 7 of the last 10. Looking forward to see how they respond to that series against the Rays and O's.
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It would have been nice if you would have swept them for us Orioles fans. We took 2 out of 3 from the Braves for you guys!
Lets call a spade a spade.
We don't like the Orioles and we have good reasons for it such as your owner keeping us from getting a team for a decade or screwing us on the TV revenue side in perpetuity.
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They should have won that second game. I think it was Tyler Moore who was called out at home, while the replay showed he was safe. The game should have ended 4-3 after 9, rather than 3-5 after 14.
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At least Lidge is finally gone. How many games has that guy lost for the nats this year?
Look at the numbers for his career...he has a few good years, followed by a horrible year, followed by a few good ones and so on. We got him in an off year.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lidgebr01.shtml
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They should have won that second game. I think it was Tyler Moore who was called out at home, while the replay showed he was safe. The game should have ended 4-3 after 9, rather than 3-5 after 14.
This is true..but the Yankees always seem to get those breaks.. I think its kind of like a boxing fight when you take on the Yankees.. they're the Champ and you're the challenger and the challenger always has to do just a bit more than fair..a bit extra to get the win..
Not sure my analogy works but I'm sticking to it... :)
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They should have won that second game. I think it was Tyler Moore who was called out at home, while the replay showed he was safe. The game should have ended 4-3 after 9, rather than 3-5 after 14.
This is true..but the Yankees always seem to get those breaks.. I think its kind of like a boxing fight when you take on the Yankees.. they're the Champ and you're the challenger and the challenger always has to do just a bit more than fair..a bit extra to get the win..
Not sure my analogy works but I'm sticking to it... :)
I know yankees fans would agree. They are entitled to those wins, because they are the YANKESS
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ONE
2012: 0-1, 2 SV, 9.64 ERA,
At least Lidge is finally gone. How many games has that guy lost for the nats this year?
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2012: 0-1, 2 SV, 9.64 ERA,
At least Lidge is finally gone. How many games has that guy lost for the nats this year?
Bah. W/L numbers don't tell the story, not even close.
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ONE
2012: 0-1, 2 SV, 9.64 ERA,
At least Lidge is finally gone. How many games has that guy lost for the nats this year?
So Jordan Zimmerman has lost us 5 games? I know one is a starter and one is a closer, but if we're going by record here Zim has been effing screwed this year.
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ONE
2012: 0-1, 2 SV, 9.64 ERA,
9.64 ERA says it all, doesn't it?
beu-bye.
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this is a silly argument. Anyone who has watching has seen Lidge, multiple times. come in during tight games (whether with a lead or not) and get blown up, putting the game out of reach.
I'm glad Rizzo can make a decisive move when something is not working out.
Zimmerman always gets screwed when it comes to run support. Wins and losses don't always tell the whole story when it comes to pitching.
Starter's run support:
Stras - 6.9
Gio - 5.9
Zim - 4.9
Jackson - 4.3
Detweiler - 6.0
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Lets call a spade a spade.
Ask Montreal how they feel about that.
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i love davey johnson but i can't help but wonder about whether he didn't have them ready for the YANKEES.
And that's the problem. People think you have to have a different mind set for when you play the Yankees. And you don't - they're a baseball team just like everybody else.
If you're good, you play your game regardless of opponent and you'll win. Those aren't my words either - that's Mike Scioscia's approach to the Yankees. I'm pretty sure he's the only active coach with a winning record against the Yankees (minimum 25 games).
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9.64 ERA says it all, doesn't it?
I would add a .308 opponents batting average against too, but yeah, that should be enough.
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i love davey johnson but i can't help but wonder about whether he didn't have them ready for the YANKEES.
And that's the problem. People think you have to have a different mind set for when you play the Yankees. And you don't - they're a baseball team just like everybody else.
If you're good, you play your game regardless of opponent and you'll win. Those aren't my words either - that's Mike Scioscia's approach to the Yankees. I'm pretty sure he's the only active coach with a winning record against the Yankees (minimum 25 games).
I disagree. there is such a thing as the "mental game".. Mike can say what he wants but I'd like to see his demeanor and how he handles the club in the locker room. Its a great sound bite for sure but the fact is that the Yankees are the Yankees.. they are not just another team.. they have a history everyone is aware of... when they come to town the stands are packed and it goes on and on... people know they've won 1 out of 4 World Series.
At the highest levels of competitive sports the mental aspect is very important. To say "Oh the Yankees are the same as the Royals and we prepare the same" is a nice sound bite but thats about all it is .
This was a big series for the Nats with added pressure and they didn't respond..
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The Angels have a 91-79 record, including playoff games, against the Yankees since 1996, and are 44-31 in the last 75 games between the teams.
The Angels also eliminated New York in two of the last three times they met in the playoffs.
You can talk all you want in subjective theories, I'll stick with the facts.
They're just another ball club to the Angels.
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The Angels have a 91-79 record, including playoff games, against the Yankees since 1996, and are 44-31 in the last 75 games between the teams.
The Angels also eliminated New York in two of the last three times they met in the playoffs.
You can talk all you want in subjective theories, I'll stick with the facts.
They're just another ball club to the Angels.
Of course those are the facts and its because they are mentally prepared to beat the Yankees. The Nationals, this weekend, were not.
Your point was that the Angels beat the Yankees because they treat them like another team. Fine. But, that is mental preparation. "Saying" we don't treat the Yankees any different isn't what its about... you have to actually do it.. and while the Angels do it the Nats, this weekend, did not.
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i love davey johnson but i can't help but wonder about whether he didn't have them ready for the YANKEES.
And that's the problem. People think you have to have a different mind set for when you play the Yankees. And you don't - they're a baseball team just like everybody else.
If you're good, you play your game regardless of opponent and you'll win. Those aren't my words either - that's Mike Scioscia's approach to the Yankees. I'm pretty sure he's the only active coach with a winning record against the Yankees (minimum 25 games).
I disagree. there is such a thing as the "mental game".. Mike can say what he wants but I'd like to see his demeanor and how he handles the club in the locker room. Its a great sound bite for sure but the fact is that the Yankees are the Yankees.. they are not just another team.. they have a history everyone is aware of... when they come to town the stands are packed and it goes on and on... people know they've won 1 out of 4 World Series.
At the highest levels of competitive sports the mental aspect is very important. To say "Oh the Yankees are the same as the Royals and we prepare the same" is a nice sound bite but thats about all it is .
This was a big series for the Nats with added pressure and they didn't respond..
I don't think the Nats didn't respond, they won game 2 if it wasn't for that blown call by the ump at home plate. Unfortunately the other 2 games they got down by multiple runs and just couldn't respond, the Yankees defense WAS incredible throughout the weekend, not to mention all of our fucking errors. It was a poor series on our part, but I don't think our next series will go the same.
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That's a clown statement, bro.
Great line. He's gonna get the credit for it, but Nat's PR did a wonderful job with that question - perfectly executed.
Bryce Harper applies for ?clown question? trademark, Under Armour cashes in (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/bryce-harper-applies-for-clown-question-trademark-under-armour-cashes-in/2012/06/21/gJQAAuiytV_blog.html)
I hope the PR guy that actually said it first gets his money too.
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When the late Edward Bennett Williams, former president of the Redskins, became owner of the Orioles, he was shocked that his busy life of law, politics and power brokering was deeply unsettled by the fluctuations of baseball team. ?We play every day,? he said, ?and I can?t stop watching.?
Fans take a different kind of ownership in a contending baseball team. But they seldom know its full impact until they?re caught up in it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/for-washington-nationals-and-their-fans-the-dog-days-are-over/2012/06/21/gJQAME6stV_story.html
This looks like Boz's unused scraps from his Ken Burns Baseball interviews
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Actually read that earlier, thought it was funny when he talked to Davey about returning to Baltimore. Hope we smash their peckers off this weekend.
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So far not so good for the Nots. If they were in AL East, they'd be a 4h place team.
Actually read that earlier, thought it was funny when he talked to Davey about returning to Baltimore. Hope we smash their peckers off this weekend.
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Ifs and Buts, still first place in the division that matters to the Nats... hopefully they can bounce back against the Rockies especially with the top of the rotation coming up. Super disappointed with the loss yesterday, Sean Burnett is usually so clutch in the hold spot.
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So far not so good for the Nots. If they were in AL East, they'd be a 4h place team.
Actually read that earlier, thought it was funny when he talked to Davey about returning to Baltimore. Hope we smash their peckers off this weekend.
pretty much the whole league would be a 4th place team in the AL east.
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also - the sky isn't falling y'all. we dropped 2/3 to balti, and got swept by the yankees, and were competitive in every loss.
relief pitchers sometimes blow leads. we've been spoiled by the 'pen so far.
there's still plenty of ball left to play. look for zim to bounce back post all-star game, morse to come on strong soon, and our starting pitchers to continue to dominate. and we'll lose a series here and there, but this team is not going to go far from the top of the division anytime soon.
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problem is Nats can't win the big games..something wrong with the makeup of this team. doesn't bode well.. every time they are on national tv or play a big a game they seem to lose
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problem is Nats can't win the big games..something wrong with the makeup of this team. doesn't bode well.. every time they are on national tv or play a big a game they seem to lose
Wasn't Saturday's game on national TV?
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It was on Fox
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?Clown question, bro? takes off, with a T-shirt, a beer and a trademark
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/25/clown-question-bro-takes-off-with-a-t-shirt-a-beer-and-a-trademark/
interesting that they filed this under "religion", and not marketing...
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?Clown question, bro? takes off, with a T-shirt, a beer and a trademark
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/25/clown-question-bro-takes-off-with-a-t-shirt-a-beer-and-a-trademark/
interesting that they filed this under "religion", and not marketing...
See post #80 in this thread.
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problem is Nats can't win the big games..something wrong with the makeup of this team. doesn't bode well.. every time they are on national tv or play a big a game they seem to lose
something wrong with the makeup? this group has been playing together for all of three months...
big games are played in september. and with all the 1-run wins, and extra innings wins, your statement is completely baseless.
i know the subject suggests to break up the f-ing nationals, but you can't be serious.
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Wasn't Saturday's game on national TV?
Do not confuse hutch with the facts.
It was on Fox
So not a big audience ;)
http://www.the506.com/temp11.html
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problem is Nats can't win the big games..something wrong with the makeup of this team. doesn't bode well.. every time they are on national tv or play a big a game they seem to lose
something wrong with the makeup? this group has been playing together for all of three months...
big games are played in september. and with all the 1-run wins, and extra innings wins, your statement is completely baseless.
i know the subject suggests to break up the f-ing nationals, but you can't be serious.
I think they are missing some leadership
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Wasn't Saturday's game on national TV?
Do not confuse hutch with the facts.
It was on Fox
So not a big audience ;)
http://www.the506.com/temp11.html
ok true it was on FOx .. but i think overall they have not performed well on TV (national) or in teh marquee serie vs Yankees, O's..
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Clown question, bro takes off, with a T-shirt, a beer and a trademark
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/25/clown-question-bro-takes-off-with-a-t-shirt-a-beer-and-a-trademark/
interesting that they filed this under "religion", and not marketing...
See post #80 in this thread.
this one has the beer tie-in, which is the only thing that got my attention.
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problem is Nats can't win the big games..something wrong with the makeup of this team. doesn't bode well.. every time they are on national tv or play a big a game they seem to lose
something wrong with the makeup? this group has been playing together for all of three months...
big games are played in september. and with all the 1-run wins, and extra innings wins, your statement is completely baseless.
i know the subject suggests to break up the f-ing nationals, but you can't be serious.
I think they are missing some leadership
THAT has a base. they are young, Zim doesn't seem to have a veteran presence yet (still relatively young...), and Werth didn't seem to bring that out when he was around. if they made one mid-season move, it might be to add a guy with that type of presence.
the rumor on Davey is that he lacked leadership when it counted in the past, would break down over losses, act like the world was ending. would explain why he was cut loose so many times after turning teams around. will be interesting to see how he handles the pressure come september.
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So, we're getting another Bruce Boudreau? I can't handle that.
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And I'm just going to say this because I know none of you stay up late enough to see it for yourselves:
Mike Trout>Bryce Harper
I'm referring to all 5 tools, plus he's better looking and has better hair.
I rest my case. I hope you all watched that first hand tonight.
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Bryce hasn't been the same since Petite spanked him a couple weeks ago. He's woken up against the Rockies, it is a "hitters park" though. I think Davey Johnson has a couple RBIs in this series too.
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And I'm just going to say this because I know none of you stay up late enough to see it for yourselves:
Mike Trout>Bryce Harper
I'm referring to all 5 tools, plus he's better looking and has better hair.
I rest my case. I hope you all watched that first hand tonight.
yeah yeah.. we know you're always right..
you're boring dude.
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Man, so happy Ian Desmond made it to the All Star Game, felt like he's been on point since the ending part of last season. Him at Short and Zim at 3rd is super fun to watch on defense. I figured Gio and Stras would make it in based on their performance. Great to see the bats waking up in Colorado and Zim seems to be feeling better after that cortisone shot! Time for Morse to get in the swing! Werth is about a month out from returning as well? Super excited to see what they do after the break.
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Time for Morse to get in the swing!
dude, Mose is on FIRE, 14 hits in the last 5 games of June
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Dang, I guess I haven't been keeping count of his numbers. I feel like I always run out when he's at bat. Excited for Werth to get back in the line-up. Would Strasburg be eligible for the HR Derby? :p
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Laying 24 runs on the Giants in their series? That's intense. Thought they were gonna lay another egg going for the sweep again. Super awesome rally, very excited to hit the stadium tonight!
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sweeping SF w/ bumgarner and cain on the mound... yikes.
the middle of the lineup is who we thought they were.
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They really broke out of that slump. Amazing.
Looking forward to tonight's game, too.
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Anyone know if any of the Nats will be in the home run derby?
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Desmond doesn't look too injured to play in the all-star game...
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I'd rather him get the rest anyway. Was really hoping they'd get to 50 wins, what a disappointing series. I went on Friday and it was so motherfuckering humid. I just sat there sweating non stop. I can't imagine the other 2 games.
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if you're picked to play the allstar game you should play.. if you choose not to you're no allstar.
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NL East Standings at the Break:
1. Washington 49-34 --
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5. Philadelphia 37-50 14.0
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if you're picked to play the allstar game you should play.. if you choose not to you're no allstar.
Meh, I'm more concerned about the team. At least he has that notch on his belt I guess...
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Looks like the Nats are winning home field advantage for the Wolrd Series.
Announcer (same one who referred to Jered Weaver and "Jeff" Weaver): There's a rumor that they're going to shut down Strasburg after 165 innings.
Other Announcer: It's more than a rumor. GM Rizzo has been adament about it.
First Announcer: Well if that's true, and they haven't told Strasburg, then that's just odd.
Where did they get this idiot announcer?
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Gold shoes? Tagging from 1st to 2nd with an 8-0 lead?
Douchebag.
Or whatever word you think should replace it.
Guess that ball in the 5th was lost in the reflection of his shoes....
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Looks like the Nats are winning home field advantage for the Wolrd Series.
Announcer (same one who referred to Jered Weaver and "Jeff" Weaver): There's a rumor that they're going to shut down Strasburg after 165 innings.
Other Announcer: It's more than a rumor. GM Rizzo has been adament about it.
First Announcer: Well if that's true, and they haven't told Strasburg, then that's just odd.
Where did they get this idiot announcer?
Bwah, I heard that too. Joe Buck is completely insufferable. I hope he gets hit by a truck leaving the stadium.
BTW, Steve Czaban's Tim McCarver impressions are never not funny.
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Gold shoes? Tagging from 1st to 2nd with an 8-0 lead?
Douchebag.
Or whatever word you think should replace it.
Guess that ball in the 5th was lost in the reflection of his shoes....
u mad bro?
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That's a clown question bro.
Those shoes were inappropriate for a rookie in his first all star game. Respect the game and it will respect you back.
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Looks like the Nats are winning home field advantage for the Wolrd Series.
Announcer (same one who referred to Jered Weaver and "Jeff" Weaver): There's a rumor that they're going to shut down Strasburg after 165 innings.
Other Announcer: It's more than a rumor. GM Rizzo has been adament about it.
First Announcer: Well if that's true, and they haven't told Strasburg, then that's just odd.
Where did they get this idiot announcer?
Stras was on 106.7 The Fan on Monday and they asked him about the inning restriction and he said that they have not talked to him about it. Also, Davey and Rizzo have both said "No one has said 160 innings". From what I understand, that's where Zimmerman was shut down last year, so I think the media has run with that. For the skipper AND the GM to say that that hasn't been said AND the pitcher I feel like.......the media is taking this number and throwing it out there based on what happened last year in almost the same situation...
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That's a clown question bro.
Those shoes were inappropriate for a rookie in his first all star game. Respect the game and it will respect you back.
One of the players in the home run derby was wearing the same gold cleets as well.... Is it just because he was a rookie that it's disrespectful?
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That's a clown question bro.
Those shoes were inappropriate for a rookie in his first all star game. Respect the game and it will respect you back.
"don't tag up and run hard on a long fly ball, respect the game!"
"don't wear gold cleats in an exhibition* game, respect the game!"
i guess this is the price you pay to be a superstar, a never-ending list of critiques.
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worth noting: very cool that la russa (who normally i can't stand) went gio then stras behind cain.
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That's a clown question bro.
Those shoes were inappropriate for a rookie in his first all star game. Respect the game and it will respect you back.
"don't tag up and run hard on a long fly ball, respect the game!"
"don't wear gold cleats in an exhibition* game, respect the game!"
i guess this is the price you pay to be a superstar, a never-ending list of critiques.
Seriously. I thought the shoes were ugly, but hey, he's free to wear them if he wants.
Are those stupid Phiten necklaces that every baseball player seems to wear inappropriate? What about giant gold chains? The armor that half the players march to plate wearing? I think it's all looks like crap, but it's certainly not disrespectful to the game of baseball, it's just personal preference.
As for tagging up with an 8-0 lead.. whatever. Do you honestly think that the American League lineup that was at the game is incapable of scoring 9 runs over a 5 inning span and winning? That game was for home-field advantage in the world series. On top of that, the one thing people generally agree to like about Bryce Harper is that he's an intense competitor and doesn't take any plays off; now you're going to fault him for it.
Get over yourselves. Call him a douche for his ugly shoes and make fun of him for his poor choice in cars and the fact that he lives in Pentagon City and shops in Georgetown when he's bored (yeah, I read the post article about him being "normal"), but your really stretching if you have an issue with him playing the game the way it's meant to be played.
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I think the point is that you earn the right to wear ugly shoes and look like a douchebag.
Harper didn't even earn a spot on the all-star team, at least not with his play. Pay your dues, then you get to wear your douchey shoes.
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There's no denying he's super-talented and has unlimited potential. I just think he acts like a jerk too much. And the 'he's a 19-year old kid' excuse doesn't cut it.
His favorite teams are the Yankees and the Cowboys. Just sayin'.
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Somehow I doubt Bryce Harper is worried about paying his dues to internet baseball experts. The only people he needs to impress are his peers and his bosses. And I've not heard one single negative word from any players or managers regarding any of this stuff everyone gets all huffy about.
Since he got called up he's said and done all the right things.
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Five errors in 63 games. He needs to work on fielding.
Somehow I doubt Bryce Harper is worried about paying his dues to internet baseball experts. The only people he needs to impress are his peers and his bosses. And I've not heard one single negative word from any players or managers regarding any of this stuff everyone gets all huffy about.
Since he got called up he's said and done all the right things.
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Five errors in 63 games. He needs to work on fielding.
Somehow I doubt Bryce Harper is worried about paying his dues to internet baseball experts. The only people he needs to impress are his peers and his bosses. And I've not heard one single negative word from any players or managers regarding any of this stuff everyone gets all huffy about.
Since he got called up he's said and done all the right things.
No shit...but obviously I'm referring to your expert opinion on his blatant disrespect to the institution of baseball.
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That missed fly ball is left last night was cringe worthy.
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That missed fly ball is left last night was cringe worthy.
It was. I saw that vacant look come over his face when he was looking up and knew the shit was about to hit the fan.
How on earth was that ruled a single is what I want to know. I'm not a professional paid by MLB to determine what is and isn't an error, but based on what I do know, I thought for sure that'd qualify. Anyone have any insight?
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Looks like the Nats are winning home field advantage for the Wolrd Series.
Announcer (same one who referred to Jered Weaver and "Jeff" Weaver): There's a rumor that they're going to shut down Strasburg after 165 innings.
Other Announcer: It's more than a rumor. GM Rizzo has been adament about it.
First Announcer: Well if that's true, and they haven't told Strasburg, then that's just odd.
Where did they get this idiot announcer?
Stras was on 106.7 The Fan on Monday and they asked him about the inning restriction and he said that they have not talked to him about it. Also, Davey and Rizzo have both said "No one has said 160 innings". From what I understand, that's where Zimmerman was shut down last year, so I think the media has run with that. For the skipper AND the GM to say that that hasn't been said AND the pitcher I feel like.......the media is taking this number and throwing it out there based on what happened last year in almost the same situation...
Tim Mccarver, the announcer in question, is an absolute joke. Debating things he says at this point is not worth any of our time. I use to hate Joe Buck as well, but given who he has to work with... I'm actually impressed how well he handles stupidity on-air.
The media has overlooked the fact that the inning limit, if it actually plays out, will result in all of 5 games lost where Strasburg pitches. Given the deep rotation the Nats have... what do you think that results in? A total net loss of one win?
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Looks like the Nats are winning home field advantage for the Wolrd Series.
Announcer (same one who referred to Jered Weaver and "Jeff" Weaver): There's a rumor that they're going to shut down Strasburg after 165 innings.
Other Announcer: It's more than a rumor. GM Rizzo has been adament about it.
First Announcer: Well if that's true, and they haven't told Strasburg, then that's just odd.
Where did they get this idiot announcer?
Stras was on 106.7 The Fan on Monday and they asked him about the inning restriction and he said that they have not talked to him about it. Also, Davey and Rizzo have both said "No one has said 160 innings". From what I understand, that's where Zimmerman was shut down last year, so I think the media has run with that. For the skipper AND the GM to say that that hasn't been said AND the pitcher I feel like.......the media is taking this number and throwing it out there based on what happened last year in almost the same situation...
Tim Mccarver, the announcer in question, is an absolute joke. Debating things he says at this point is not worth any of our time. I use to hate Joe Buck as well, but given who he has to work with... I'm actually impressed how well he handles stupidity on-air.
The media has overlooked the fact that the inning limit, if it actually plays out, will result in all of 5 games lost where Strasburg pitches. Given the deep rotation the Nats have... what do you think that results in? A total net loss of one win?
Assuming they get there, it's his post season availability that is the issue, not the home stretch of the regular season.
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bryce had a pretty poor game, but picking on his shoes as a sign of disrespect is a bit of a stretch.
baseball's a great game, but it could use more players with the kind of personality that reaches beyond the typical fan. i'd agree with anyone who says he didn't really deserve the all star nod, but hes already the kind of player who can do a lot for the sport. of course mlb will do whatever they can to get him on the national stage.
that said, the missed fly ball was pretty bad
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What is so great about his personality?
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hustle
talent
enthusiasm
confidence
But lots of players have these things.
this topic is played out.
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i personally like the flashiness (aka brashness or douchiness or whatever you want to call it). i dont think he entirely backs it up yet, but i like his confidence and i liked seeing him pal around with chipper jones throughout last nights game. i think it speaks to the way he plays when even veterans and guys like cole hamels come around and praise him. all in all, he's just fun to watch because hes a talented kid having big league fun earlier than anyone expected.
that being said i wish i got to see trout play more often. if bryce is anywhere near that good when he hits 20 the nats will be in a good position for sure.
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How on earth was that ruled a single is what I want to know. I'm not a professional paid by MLB to determine what is and isn't an error, but based on what I do know, I thought for sure that'd qualify. Anyone have any insight?
a fielder not catching up to a ball (whether because of effort, lack of speed, losing the ball in the twilight, etc.) is never an error - the fielder would have to actually touch and misplay the ball in order to get an error.
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The official scorer shall charge an outfielder with an error if such outfielder allows a fly ball to drop to the ground if, in the official scorer?s judgment, an outfielder at that position making ordinary effort would have caught such fly ball.
so the ball doesnt need to be touched, but its obviously a judgement call and the scorer gave bryce some pity or mercy and called it a hit.
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The official scorer shall charge an outfielder with an error if such outfielder allows a fly ball to drop to the ground if, in the official scorer?s judgment, an outfielder at that position making ordinary effort would have caught such fly ball.
so the ball doesnt need to be touched, but its obviously a judgement call and the scorer gave bryce some pity or mercy and called it a hit.
fair enough, but I've never seen an error called on an outfielder that doesn't catch up to a ball on the fly - and definitely not on a ball lost in the twilight.
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i'm spending way too much time on this:
http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2012/04/post_153.html
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I've already said that I love that he hustles every play. I took no issue that he tagged up with an 8-0 lead in a game that little or no significance. I also take no issue that any player that might have taken issue with it or felt shown up (like say Josh Hamilton thinking he may not need to get the ball in very quickly because it's 8-0 late in an All-Star Game) may spike him at second or plunk him at the plate - that's the game. It sorts itself out.
And even though I rarely agree with Rhett, he's spot on about earning it. The fans didn't vote you in, twice. The players and managers didn't choose you as a reserve either. You were lucky to be there because of injury, why don't you show a bit of humility and be thankful that you're there?
And the players, coaches and GM's aren't going to say a word about this - they never have. Ask Reggie Jackson - other than the Gary Carter comment, I think most people agree with Reggie. He was still asked to take a leave because he broke the code. Baseball has always been a game about respect. And it's self policed. Players/coaches/managers let the game take care of it. The Cole Hamels plunking makes a lot more sense to me now - I'm guessing there's much we don't know about the reaction inside baseball to Bryce Harper. Perhaps that's why he wasn't named as a reserve by them?
Anyhow, he's young. He'll learn. They all do, except Ricky Henderson. He was always just being Ricky....
I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that Mike Trout was 1-1, took a walk, stole a base, tried to steal another and was given defensive indifference, didn't make an error playing in his non-natural position, and wore red shoes. Just like he does every day. Maybe that's why the players and coaches named him as a reserve.
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i agree with all of that. i just don't see how wearing gold shoes equates to not showing humility or respecting the game. its not his fault he was picked as a last minute replacement when he probably shouldnt have been. is he supposed to turn it down or refuse to take an at bat? from all the press and practice clips i saw he seemed incredibly thankful to be there hanging out with current and past legends of the game. what more was he supposed to do?
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in all sports, sometimes it comes down to "what's right by statistics" versus "for the good of the league". this was obviously the latter. it's good for the nationals (hooray), mlb, mike trout (joint press-conf), the media. it's easy to criticize the decision, but it's hard to fault the decision.
fwiw - i think aaron hill was a terrible snub. he has hit for the cycle two times this year!
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There's no denying he's super-talented and has unlimited potential. I just think he acts like a jerk too much. And the 'he's a 19-year old kid' excuse doesn't cut it.
His favorite teams are the Yankees and the Cowboys. Just sayin'.
Acts like a jerk? I think he's passionate, also, he's still fucking 19 years old. I think he shows an incredible amount of maturity for his age, and when he has a momentarily 19 year old moment everyone thinks he's an asshole. TEENAGERS ARE FUCKING ASSHOLES. I like how hard he plays, I like how angry he gets, I like his passion. What's so wrong with a passionate player coming to DC wanting to do his best for his team?
It's a God damn shame he's a Cowboys fan though hahaha
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How much maturity was he showing when this happened?
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/bryce-harper-hits-own-face-bat-gets-10-135714993.html
There's no denying he's super-talented and has unlimited potential. I just think he acts like a jerk too much. And the 'he's a 19-year old kid' excuse doesn't cut it.
His favorite teams are the Yankees and the Cowboys. Just sayin'.
Acts like a jerk? I think he's passionate, also, he's still fucking 19 years old. I think he shows an incredible amount of maturity for his age, and when he has a momentarily 19 year old moment everyone thinks he's an asshole. TEENAGERS ARE FUCKING ASSHOLES. I like how hard he plays, I like how angry he gets, I like his passion. What's so wrong with a passionate player coming to DC wanting to do his best for his team?
It's a God damn shame he's a Cowboys fan though hahaha
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He was always just being Ricky....
a humble servant of God
(http://www.letrickeyplay.com/rickey-base.jpg)
(http://manginphotography.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/28-575x400.jpg)
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Smackie where is the daily Mike Trout update??? What did he do on his off day?
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That's a fish question, bro.
Smackie where is the daily Mike Trout update??? What did he do on his off day?
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How much maturity was he showing when this happened?
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/bryce-harper-hits-own-face-bat-gets-10-135714993.html
There's no denying he's super-talented and has unlimited potential. I just think he acts like a jerk too much. And the 'he's a 19-year old kid' excuse doesn't cut it.
His favorite teams are the Yankees and the Cowboys. Just sayin'.
Acts like a jerk? I think he's passionate, also, he's still fucking 19 years old. I think he shows an incredible amount of maturity for his age, and when he has a momentarily 19 year old moment everyone thinks he's an asshole. TEENAGERS ARE FUCKING ASSHOLES. I like how hard he plays, I like how angry he gets, I like his passion. What's so wrong with a passionate player coming to DC wanting to do his best for his team?
It's a God damn shame he's a Cowboys fan though hahaha
Like i said, he's still 19 god damn years old. I'm pretty sure he learned his lesson when he opened up his face with that bat. I mean, how do you expect a 19 year old all star rookie to act? I think with ALL that, he's pretty fucking mature. I'd be flipping people off and cussing up a god damn storm if I was 19. I mean, how mature was anyone when they were 19? Considering he's a professional athelete on a first place team I think he's not too bad... So what he named his dog like an asshole and drives a retarded car, HE'S A 19 YEAR OLD ROOKIE ALL STAR FOR CHRISTS SAKE!
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Bryce Harper has good makeup. Doesn't mean he's not going to make mistakes.
Unfortunately in today's 24-7 media world people expect a 19 year old rookie to play like a hall of famer from day one.
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I can understand that, but the other side of the coin is the reality, he's a rookie, and he's 19. When he does good it IS expected, but when he does bad people flip out and call him a douche and an idiot. Give me 20 Bryce Harpers on a team. I love the way he plays.
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Smackie where is the daily Mike Trout update??? What did he do on his off day?
Sorry. He spent the last few days with his parents in New Jersey. The Angels face the Yankees tomorrow in the Bronx.
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Even his makeup looks like a mistake to me.
(http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/bryce-harper-eye-black1.jpg)
Bryce Harper has good makeup. Doesn't mean he's not going to make mistakes.
Unfortunately in today's 24-7 media world people expect a 19 year old rookie to play like a hall of famer from day one.
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Even his makeup looks like a mistake to me.
(http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/bryce-harper-eye-black1.jpg)
Bryce Harper has good makeup. Doesn't mean he's not going to make mistakes.
Unfortunately in today's 24-7 media world people expect a 19 year old rookie to play like a hall of famer from day one.
Gah, why do teenagers look so fucking stupid! LOOK PROFESSIONAL FOR FUCKS SAKE!
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He's not really sporting this eye black style these days is he? His hair has improved too.
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He's not really sporting this eye black style these days is he? His hair has improved too.
No, he's not. Obviously these idiots aren't paying attention.
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He's not really sporting this eye black style these days is he? His hair has improved too.
No, he's not. Obviously these idiots aren't paying attention.
Yeah, he dropped the eye black when he got drafted.
I'm sure it had nothing to do with an increasing maturity and acting like a professional though.
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Can the Nats play Strasburg in the field or DH him in the World Series? Maybe use him as a pinch hitter? Seems like they'd want to keep his bat in the lineup.
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World Series? Really? I just hope they can stay hot after the break... solid outing from Strasburg last night, it was painful to see him load the bases, but I liked seeing him get out of the jams. Good to see his 3 game losing skid finally come to an end. BTW he has the be the slowest runner in the league, good GOD! He looks like a gigantic horse just trotting around.
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There's probably eight or ten AL teams that could take the Nats in a Series, but I can't think of one NL team good enough to stop them from getting there.
World Series? Really? I just hope they can stay hot after the break... solid outing from Strasburg last night, it was painful to see him load the bases, but I liked seeing him get out of the jams. Good to see his 3 game losing skid finally come to an end. BTW he has the be the slowest runner in the league, good GOD! He looks like a gigantic horse just trotting around.
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I guess it depends on the pitching staff. I heard over the weekend that Jordan Zimmerman might be on an inning limit as well? Apparently the 2nd year back after TJ Surgery the inning limit is around 200? I only heard it on this radio show, but I haven't heard it anywhere else....
Surprised no one has jumped on the Bryce Harper/Ozzie Guillen bullshit that happened yesterday. Saying Bryce had too much pine tar on his bat? Lol, he cussed out a 19 year old.
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Ozzie just looking like a fool. Again.
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There's probably eight or ten AL teams that could take the Nats in a Series, but I can't think of one NL team good enough to stop them from getting there.
World Series? Really? I just hope they can stay hot after the break... solid outing from Strasburg last night, it was painful to see him load the bases, but I liked seeing him get out of the jams. Good to see his 3 game losing skid finally come to an end. BTW he has the be the slowest runner in the league, good GOD! He looks like a gigantic horse just trotting around.
Cincinnati and that's about it.
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Ozzie just looking like a fool. Again.
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Only managed to split the series with the laughing stock of MLB. (You know the team SUCK when the main attraction at their brand new stadium is a fish tank, not the actual game)
I hope it's just a blip for the Nationals, not the first signs of choking.
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The Nats seem to have the ability to play up to good teams (except the Yankees) and down to bad ones. Certainly not a good thing, but not a huge cause for alarm (yet).
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I think it's just the Marlins.... and we did play 7 against the Rockies in 2 weeks... I hope this isn't that weird as fuck DC team trend where they seem to do that...except the Wizards.
A young team losing to the Dodgers and Yankees doesn't really both me....
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FYI - I root for the O's and Nationals...oh, and the Cardinals because their spring training facility is round the corner from my house.
Well, 'root' would be a bit strong. I look for their scores and hope they win.
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Only managed to split the series with the laughing stock of MLB. (You know the team SUCK when the main attraction at their brand new stadium is a fish tank, not the actual game)
I hope it's just a blip for the Nationals, not the first signs of choking.
split a road series against a division rival? who cares, it's a long season. "choking" is a hilarious overstep.
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harper sucks
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harper sucks
Trout had four hits!!!!!!!!!!
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harper sucks
Trout had four hits!!!!!!!!!!
all of them in garbage time.
anybody figure out where the world series trophy is going to be showcased come October?
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Only managed to split the series with the laughing stock of MLB. (You know the team SUCK when the main attraction at their brand new stadium is a fish tank, not the actual game)
I hope it's just a blip for the Nationals, not the first signs of choking.
split a road series against a division rival? who cares, it's a long season. "choking" is a hilarious overstep.
Consider the source....I don't know shit about the game. I was just fishing and only got a slight nibble.
No harm. ;D
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Only managed to split the series with the laughing stock of MLB. (You know the team SUCK when the main attraction at their brand new stadium is a fish tank, not the actual game)
I hope it's just a blip for the Nationals, not the first signs of choking.
split a road series against a division rival? who cares, it's a long season. "choking" is a hilarious overstep.
Consider the source....I don't know shit about the game. I was just fishing and only got a slight nibble.
No harm. ;D
The best way I've heard "relax, it's a long season" described is that good baseball teams win 4 games a week (.571 winning %), and bad baseball teams win 3 games a week (.429 winning %). Everyone loses games, just some a few less than others.
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harper sucks
Yeah, no one would want him on their team. Fucking suck ass loser.
That Adam LaRoche prick is a total dickhead. [lolz]:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/post/2012/07/bryce-harper-autographed-pine-tar-bat-ozzie-guillen/1
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harper sucks
Yeah, no one would want him on their team. Fucking suck ass loser.
That Adam LaRoche prick is a total dickhead. [lolz]:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/post/2012/07/bryce-harper-autographed-pine-tar-bat-ozzie-guillen/1
That is great. Nice job LaRoche. Sounds like Ozzie had a good head about it too.
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harper sucks
Yeah, no one would want him on their team. Fucking suck ass loser.
That Adam LaRoche prick is a total dickhead. [lolz]:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/post/2012/07/bryce-harper-autographed-pine-tar-bat-ozzie-guillen/1
That is great. Nice job LaRoche. Sounds like Ozzie had a good head about it too.
that's fantastic.
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harper sucks
Yeah, no one would want him on their team. Fucking suck ass loser.
That Adam LaRoche prick is a total dickhead. [lolz]:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/post/2012/07/bryce-harper-autographed-pine-tar-bat-ozzie-guillen/1
That is great. Nice job LaRoche. Sounds like Ozzie had a good head about it too.
that's fantastic.
definitely.
i've always really liked adam laroche. its been nice to see him as the nats most consistent hitter this year
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Did they switch the pitching rotation? I thought Edwin Jackson was the last one was after Jordan Zimmerman.... I might have lost my head for a second...
Werth is supposed to be back in August? Word is Drew Storen could be back first week of August? Hope Ian Desmond can come back soon, looked like he was ready to bat last night!
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Coming back from the break they changed the rotation around a bit.
Werth and Storen should both be back by early august.
Desmond pinch ran last night, so he couldn't be too far off.
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He was up to bat in the 10th too I believe, they walked him.
So I think now it goes Stras, Gio, Detwiler, Jackson, Zimmerman? Did I totally botch that...
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He was up to bat in the 10th too I believe, they walked him.
So I think now it goes Stras, Gio, Detwiler, Jackson, Zimmerman? Did I totally botch that...
Well if you start first game back from the break it's gone:
Zimmerman, Gonzales, Strasburg, Jackson, Detwieler
Even with Strasburg hanging it up early, I'm feeling pretty good about this rotation. Johnson has been pulling starters early almost everynight, usually after 6. They should all be pretty fresh when it comes to crunch time.
Is it not unheard of for teams to use a 4 man rotation in the post season?
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Plus, Lannan is probably going to start one of the games on Saturday to show he can maybe fill in when Strasburg is shut down.
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it's just a peice on harper, but it compares him and trout indirectly.
Here's that piece you predicted ;)
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/32421/middle-relief-rating-the-rookie-eras
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Trout had four hits!!!!!!!!!!
all of them in garbage time.
Yes, a lead off single to start the game and a 2-run HR in a 3-0 game in second inning are garbage time hits. I completely agree.
But I will correct one thing. He had 4 more hits.
I was on vacation this weekend so I couldn't give you the Mike Trout updates: Trout's parents, brother and girlfriend all had tickets to the game on Friday. But Jeter, through a clubhouse attendant, offered up his suite for the series opener to give them a more comfortable venue. Jeter also picked up the tab for the refreshments.
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Trout had four hits!!!!!!!!!!
all of them in garbage time.
Yes, a lead off single to start the game and a 2-run HR in a 3-0 game in second inning are garbage time hits. I completely agree.
two hits off a rookie pitcher with a 10+ era. we can go ahead and asterik yet another day for mr. trout.
if you want a real comparison, look at what each player has done in extra innings. Trout? one INFIELD single for the whole year. Harper? walk off hits, game-tying triples, the list goes on. this is why the nats are in first place and it'll stay that way, and the angels are 5.5 back and will be playing for the wild-card if they are lucky.
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I was on vacation this weekend so I couldn't give you the Mike Trout updates: Trout's parents, brother and girlfriend all had tickets to the game on Friday. But Jeter, through a clubhouse attendant, offered up his suite for the series opener to give them a more comfortable venue. Jeter also picked up the tab for the refreshments.
Thank you. I can sleep well now.
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four man rotation is normal for postseason, but Jackson is mediocre.
He was up to bat in the 10th too I believe, they walked him.
So I think now it goes Stras, Gio, Detwiler, Jackson, Zimmerman? Did I totally botch that...
Well if you start first game back from the break it's gone:
Zimmerman, Gonzales, Strasburg, Jackson, Detwieler
Even with Strasburg hanging it up early, I'm feeling pretty good about this rotation. Johnson has been pulling starters early almost everynight, usually after 6. They should all be pretty fresh when it comes to crunch time.
Is it not unheard of for teams to use a 4 man rotation in the post season?
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I was on vacation this weekend so I couldn't give you the Mike Trout updates: Trout's parents, brother and girlfriend all had tickets to the game on Friday. But Jeter, through a clubhouse attendant, offered up his suite for the series opener to give them a more comfortable venue. Jeter also picked up the tab for the refreshments.
and a gift bag (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/jeter_booty_hauls_smU8lFebpsBGJXpyHoMKSN) for the girlfriend? it's standard rookie hazing to get cuckolded by jeter, right?
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four man rotation is normal for postseason, but Jackson is mediocre.
He was up to bat in the 10th too I believe, they walked him.
So I think now it goes Stras, Gio, Detwiler, Jackson, Zimmerman? Did I totally botch that...
Well if you start first game back from the break it's gone:
Zimmerman, Gonzales, Strasburg, Jackson, Detwieler
Even with Strasburg hanging it up early, I'm feeling pretty good about this rotation. Johnson has been pulling starters early almost everynight, usually after 6. They should all be pretty fresh when it comes to crunch time.
Is it not unheard of for teams to use a 4 man rotation in the post season?
four man rotation is a given. three man rotation isn't unheard of. just my opinion, but y'all are crazy if you think the inning cap will stop stras from going in the post-season...
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four man rotation is normal for postseason, but Jackson is mediocre.
He was up to bat in the 10th too I believe, they walked him.
So I think now it goes Stras, Gio, Detwiler, Jackson, Zimmerman? Did I totally botch that...
Well if you start first game back from the break it's gone:
Zimmerman, Gonzales, Strasburg, Jackson, Detwieler
Even with Strasburg hanging it up early, I'm feeling pretty good about this rotation. Johnson has been pulling starters early almost everynight, usually after 6. They should all be pretty fresh when it comes to crunch time.
Is it not unheard of for teams to use a 4 man rotation in the post season?
four man rotation is a given. three man rotation isn't unheard of. just my opinion, but y'all are crazy if you think the inning cap will stop stras from going in the post-season...
If I were DJ, I'd see how Lannan pitches on Saturday. If it's remotely decent, I'd put Strasburg on the DL (shut him down now) and give Lannan the ball in his place. Give him (Strasburg) a nice 6 week break and bring him back early September. Give him that month to get his groove back and ride him straight through the post-season.
Probably a good thing I'm not DJ as I have no idea how that would effect him.
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four man rotation is a given. three man rotation isn't unheard of. just my opinion, but y'all are crazy if you think the inning cap will stop stras from going in the post-season...
It's not his decision. He will get shut down.
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four man rotation is a given. three man rotation isn't unheard of. just my opinion, but y'all are crazy if you think the inning cap will stop stras from going in the post-season...
It's not his decision. He will get shut down.
EXACTLY. and the decision has been made.. once it made you can't change it because you're in the hunt.. if it was made then it was made because that was what was determined best for STRASBURG and you can't change that...
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i like the idea of shutting down stras now, bringing him back later. and while i was busy making an ass of myself, this was reported:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8180037/washington-nationals-plan-shut-all-star-stephen-strasburg
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Trout had four hits!!!!!!!!!!
all of them in garbage time.
Yes, a lead off single to start the game and a 2-run HR in a 3-0 game in second inning are garbage time hits. I completely agree.
two hits off a rookie pitcher with a 10+ era. we can go ahead and asterik yet another day for mr. trout.
if you want a real comparison, look at what each player has done in extra innings. Trout? one INFIELD single for the whole year. Harper? walk off hits, game-tying triples, the list goes on. this is why the nats are in first place and it'll stay that way, and the angels are 5.5 back and will be playing for the wild-card if they are lucky.
Bong.
Anyone else ready for Drew Storen to come back? Seeing Clip's last 2 efforts have worried me, he was solid for a good amount of time and he did pull off the 2 saves, but he's been out of character from his recent run in the last 2... Hoping pushing him back to holder will be good for him with Drew taking the closing position back.
Hope we can S word the useless bastard Mets today. YAY EARLY GAMES!
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more nats news: Drew Storen activated
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/post/rick-ankiel-designated-for-assignment-drew-storen-activated-ian-desmond-out-again/2012/07/19/gJQAkaknvW_blog.html
i'm not worried about clip. two-trick pitchers (fastball/change) sometimes have these hiccups. i usually attribute it to other teams figuring something out. last night? jumping on the first pitch.
but clip's stuff is NASTY. he'll be fine.
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Ugggghhhhh Davey was talking [yesterday before the game, or after the game on Sunday] about Des possibly needing surgery? But if he did he would be out for the rest of the season. Also said he's been playing most of the year with the strain as well. If he's played this well so far I say wait.... I hope he can come back soon :\ he's my fave.
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i like the idea of shutting down stras now, bringing him back later. and while i was busy making an ass of myself, this was reported:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8180037/washington-nationals-plan-shut-all-star-stephen-strasburg
I don't see this happening. He'd basically need a second spring training if they shut him down for a long period of time and then brought him back, and I don't see that being a good thing for him or the team.
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Nats DFA'd Rick Ankiel today. On his birthday.
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Meanwhile Gio is getting lit up. Zimmerman already homered today. Dude is red hot.
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if you want a real comparison, look at what each player has done in extra innings.
Yes, because one in every what, 15 games goes to extra innings? Or we can just look at WAR.
this is why the nats are in first place and it'll stay that way, and the angels are 5.5 back and will be playing for the wild-card if they are lucky.
Yes, the Nats are in first place because Bryce Harper is a stud and the Angels are in second because Mike Trout only gets hits against crappy pitching. Not the depth of the pitching staffs or the talent in the rest of the division - those aren't important. I said in the beginning of this thread that Nats had a really good chance of making the playoffs and I stand by that. Nats fans should be very proud of what this team is doing and this thread exemplifies that. But let's not get carried away - Mike Trout is having one of the top three greatest rookie season's of all time and potentially one of the top 25 seasons of all time. That needs to be recognized, even by Nats fans caught up in Bryce Harper Mania. We're looking at a potential MVP, Rookie of the Year, Gold Glove, Stolen Base Champion and batting average champion despite not playing the first 40 games. Since I'm one of a few on this board who saw Freddy Lynn play, you're watching something you may only see once in your lifetime.
I will say this though and you hit it right on the head - the one thing keeping me up at night is the thought of a one game playoff against Justin Verlander to win the Wild Card. I still remember having to face Randy Johnson in 1995 to make the playoffs, and that was brutal. I don't want to do it again.
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and a gift bag (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/jeter_booty_hauls_smU8lFebpsBGJXpyHoMKSN) for the girlfriend? it's standard rookie hazing to get cuckolded by jeter, right?
I loved everything about that article. I hope half of it is true.
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Gio's shortest outing of the season 3.1 innings, YEESH! This is painful. Fuckin RA Dickey.
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I'm guessing you were maybe two years old during Lynn's rookie season?
if you want a real comparison, look at what each player has done in extra innings.
Yes, because one in every what, 15 games goes to extra innings? Or we can just look at WAR.
this is why the nats are in first place and it'll stay that way, and the angels are 5.5 back and will be playing for the wild-card if they are lucky.
Yes, the Nats are in first place because Bryce Harper is a stud and the Angels are in second because Mike Trout only gets hits against crappy pitching. Not the depth of the pitching staffs or the talent in the rest of the division - those aren't important. I said in the beginning of this thread that Nats had a really good chance of making the playoffs and I stand by that. Nats fans should be very proud of what this team is doing and this thread exemplifies that. But let's not get carried away - Mike Trout is having one of the top three greatest rookie season's of all time and potentially one of the top 25 seasons of all time. That needs to be recognized, even by Nats fans caught up in Bryce Harper Mania. We're looking at a potential MVP, Rookie of the Year, Gold Glove, Stolen Base Champion and batting average champion despite not playing the first 40 games. Since I'm one of a few on this board who saw Freddy Lynn play, you're watching something you may only see once in your lifetime.
I will say this though and you hit it right on the head - the one thing keeping me up at night is the thought of a one game playoff against Justin Verlander to win the Wild Card. I still remember having to face Randy Johnson in 1995 to make the playoffs, and that was brutal. I don't want to do it again.
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I'm guessing you were maybe two years old during Lynn's rookie season?
You are correct. I did not mean to imply that I saw him that rookie year, I meant play AT ALL which is why this is potentially a big deal.
My first sports memory was the 1979 World Series, but that should either be discussed in the Orioles thread, or perhaps not at all on this board.
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I'm guessing you were maybe two years old during Lynn's rookie season?
You are correct. I did not mean to imply that I saw him that rookie year, I meant play AT ALL which is why this is potentially a big deal.
My first sports memory was the 1979 World Series, but that should either be discussed in the Orioles thread, or perhaps not at all on this board.
Some of us old geezers who remember 1979 would prefer the latter.
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How can you guys work the internets. Whoa.
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How can you guys work the internets. Whoa.
Well, we did invent it...
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Gio's shortest outing of the season 3.1 innings, YEESH! This is painful. Fuckin RA Dickey.
Looking at the box and Desmond has an AB in the 9th and Zimmerman has only 2 AB the whole game. I'm worried he got hurt.....
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who, zimmerman? i think davey just took him out because the game was basically out of reach and he wanted derosa to get some at bats before saturdays doubleheader.
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COLLAPSE
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As a Braves fan, the game yesterday was amazing!
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COLLAPSE
trade em all
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Glad to see Zim is shooting fire out of his eyes. Glad we didn't blow the lead yesterday... Bummer that was had to split the series. UGH.
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best record in baseball (for a few hours)
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Jayson Werth is less than 2 weeks from coming back according to reports.... Desi is on the 15 day DL, I heard an interview where he was talking about it taking 6 weeks for one of the other guys to come back, I forgot who he said though. He then joked saying "He is older than me though", I think by like a year or two hahaha. I can't wait to HOPEFULLY get a full healthy line up. If only our catchers could stay healthy :\ when is the trade deadline?
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Jayson Werth is less than 2 weeks from coming back according to reports.... Desi is on the 15 day DL, I heard an interview where he was talking about it taking 6 weeks for one of the other guys to come back, I forgot who he said though. He then joked saying "He is older than me though", I think by like a year or two hahaha. I can't wait to HOPEFULLY get a full healthy line up. If only our catchers could stay healthy :\ when is the trade deadline?
where does jayson werth bat when he's back? he's an OBP guy who can swipe bases and create runs. seems like the #2 slot really is where he belongs, which will bump harper from his spot he's started to get comfortable with. there's no reason to mess with 3-4-5-6 (zim, morse, laroche, des) - i think harper and werth on the top of that line-up is one scary line-up.
trade deadline is July 31. almost no chance Nat's make any moves. catcher needs upgrades, but ramos is the future, and solano returning will be an upgrade if flores continues to struggle.
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Jayson Werth is less than 2 weeks from coming back according to reports.... Desi is on the 15 day DL, I heard an interview where he was talking about it taking 6 weeks for one of the other guys to come back, I forgot who he said though. He then joked saying "He is older than me though", I think by like a year or two hahaha. I can't wait to HOPEFULLY get a full healthy line up. If only our catchers could stay healthy :\ when is the trade deadline?
where does jayson werth bat when he's back? he's an OBP guy who can swipe bases and create runs. seems like the #2 slot really is where he belongs, which will bump harper from his spot he's started to get comfortable with. there's no reason to mess with 3-4-5-6 (zim, morse, laroche, des) - i think harper and werth on the top of that line-up is one scary line-up.
trade deadline is July 31. almost no chance Nat's make any moves. catcher needs upgrades, but ramos is the future, and solano returning will be an upgrade if flores continues to struggle.
trades can happen after the deadline, players just have to clear waivers first - I think we'll add some middle infield depth, but nothing that couldn't happen after the deadline.
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Jayson Werth is less than 2 weeks from coming back according to reports.... Desi is on the 15 day DL, I heard an interview where he was talking about it taking 6 weeks for one of the other guys to come back, I forgot who he said though. He then joked saying "He is older than me though", I think by like a year or two hahaha. I can't wait to HOPEFULLY get a full healthy line up. If only our catchers could stay healthy :\ when is the trade deadline?
where does jayson werth bat when he's back? he's an OBP guy who can swipe bases and create runs. seems like the #2 slot really is where he belongs, which will bump harper from his spot he's started to get comfortable with. there's no reason to mess with 3-4-5-6 (zim, morse, laroche, des) - i think harper and werth on the top of that line-up is one scary line-up.
trade deadline is July 31. almost no chance Nat's make any moves. catcher needs upgrades, but ramos is the future, and solano returning will be an upgrade if flores continues to struggle.
Wasn't Werth high in the line-up last year and couldn't pull his weight? Where was he batting earlier in ths year? Wasn't he in the 4-5-6 somewhere? I wouldn't mind him being somewhere in there again, nothing wrong with stacking the line-up. Bam Bam at 2 is good with me. Also, how amazing has the Shark been!? I hope we can keep this win streak up. Fuck the Brewers.
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I can't remember where he hit. He had an off year last year. Started slow this year but was heating up when he got hurt. In my house we used to call him 'Werthless', but we'd just taken to calling him 'Werthful' when he went down.
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Yeah, when he broke his wrist i was truly bummed, but Ian Desmond, i can't say enough about that guy. Zim has been on FIRE all month, I think this month he's hitting over .380 and has 9 homers I think? Or 10 by now.
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werth was all over the batting order last year
http://www.fangraphs.com/statsd.aspx?playerid=1327&position=OF&type=&gds=&gde=&season=2011
mostly in the 5 hole this year before he went down.
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We call him "Hey Dirtbag, get a haircut" in our household.
I can't remember where he hit. He had an off year last year. Started slow this year but was heating up when he got hurt. In my house we used to call him 'Werthless', but we'd just taken to calling him 'Werthful' when he went down.
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I was excited to see the Nats have the best record in baseball and then I saw Cincinnati's. 10 in a row?! Good lord. Insane game esterday! I only watched the first 4 or 5 innings though, when I left my house it was 5-2 and I kept checking on my phone and I saw it again when it was tied at 7. Wish I could havew watched it. Trying to make it to the Park this week for the Phillies series. Godless bastards.
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trades can happen after the deadline, players just have to clear waivers first - I think we'll add some middle infield depth, but nothing that couldn't happen after the deadline.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/6/shortstop-cesar-izturis-claimed-waivers-nationals/
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cesar-izturis
You're welcome. Would have probably cost you more than simply picking up his salary, if he was designated at all, had the Halo's not given up Jean Segura in the Greinke deal. Looking forward to watching Segura play daily, almost as much as Fullerton alum Suzuki catching that staff.
BTW - why aren't the Nationals doing with Strasburg what the White Sox are doing with Chris Sale?
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Is it becuase he didn't have TJ surgery? And the Sox dealt with this situation a year ago as well? I actually don't know much about the Sale situation.
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Is it becuase he didn't have TJ surgery? And the Sox dealt with this situation a year ago as well? I actually don't know much about the Sale situation.
In his first full season now, he came to them with elbow soreness in mid-late May. They devised a plan to limit his innings and give him extra time off between starts in July and up through mid-August. For example, they gave him 12 days off in the beginning of July and gave him 9 days off until last night because of an off day. They're doing it once again, maybe twice if they can, throughout August.
Seems to make sense.
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Shark week in Houston.
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that catch was ridiculous.
its a damn shame roger cant get more playing time.
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http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=23716253&c_id=was
sharks eat trout:
http://espn.go.com/videohub/video/clip?id=8246272&categoryid=2378529
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Is it becuase he didn't have TJ surgery? And the Sox dealt with this situation a year ago as well? I actually don't know much about the Sale situation.
In his first full season now, he came to them with elbow soreness in mid-late May. They devised a plan to limit his innings and give him extra time off between starts in July and up through mid-August. For example, they gave him 12 days off in the beginning of July and gave him 9 days off until last night because of an off day. They're doing it once again, maybe twice if they can, throughout August.
Seems to make sense.
Rizzo has said they don't want him to get cold, I think they're more focused on him getting used to pitching his 5-7 innings on a regular rotation than actually pushing him farther into the season and post season. I think the team can survive without him and they're ahead of schedule, they were hoping to just get their first winning season this year.... I do think it would be a shame, but I'd like to see him protected for the future as welll..
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that catch was ridiculous.
its a damn shame roger cant get more playing time.
I couldn't keep my eyes open any longer and turned off the tv after top of 12th and listened on the radio so I had to watch the replay today. Covered a lot of ground very quickly to get to that ball.
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I clocked out in the 8th, I was beat and stayed up late the night before watching the extra innings. Also caught the replay earlier, awesome catch. I just hope we smash them, I hate these close calls!
Anyone know if Werth is gonna be in the line-up tonight?
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sharks eat trout:
I'm changing my Facebook cover photo right now! I just don't know who that guy is...
It's actually 51-49 Trout at the moment, and it's only going to get worse when the west coast wakes up, but that was a great catch. It's not even a close vote if that stupid f'in column isn't there between between the bullpens - the designers of that stadium really need to never design a stadium again.
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From Buster Olney his morning:
One executive joked recently that there is not a more inevitable offseason connection than the Nationals and center fielder Michael Bourn, who is eligible for free agency in the fall. "Can we just put that one in the books now?" he said, noting all the factors in play. They are:
1. The Nationals need a center fielder, and Bourn is a former Gold Glove winner whose performance this year is charting very well. His UZR/150 rating is the best among those at his position, according to FanGraphs.
2. Bourn, 29, is at the peak of his career as a hitter, and his .756 OPS this season is his second-best. Bourn ranks sixth in the majors in runs scored, and of course, all of his damage has been done as a leadoff hitter. Washington's leadoff hitters ranks 19th in OPS this year.
3. And Bourn is represented by Scott Boras -- and there are a whole lot of Nationals represented by Boras, from Stephen Strasburg to Bryce Harper to Jayson Werth to others.
But another rival official noted all the money that the Phillies have freed from their payroll, with the trades of Hunter Pence, Shane Victorino and Joe Blanton. "You know who they want, right?" the official asked. "They love Michael Bourn."
He was drafted and developed by the Phillies, of course, as a fourth-round pick in 2003, and the Phillies know all about his gregarious personality, and that he has a grinder's mentality. For years, manager Charlie Manuel has tried to settle on a leadoff hitter; sometimes he has used Jimmy Rollins, sometimes Shane Victorino.
If the Phillies make a strong push for Bourn, it's unclear whether they would be willing to outbid the Nationals. Washington opened this season with a payroll of $92 million, and if its wealthy ownership is willing, it has a lot of room to grow under the luxury-tax cap. Bourn figures to get a multiyear deal for something in the range of $16 million to $22 million annually, and as has been well-documented over the last six weeks, the Phillies already have a lot of payroll obligations well into the future, with $20 million-plus commitments to Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Cole Hamels and Ryan Howard on the books. The Phillies also will have to find a third baseman, a starting pitcher and at least one outfielder, depending on their internal evaluations of Domonic Brown and John Mayberry Jr.
Josh Hamilton will be the most dynamic free agent outfielder this fall, albeit with a lot of questions about how much he can be counted on. But Bourn might be in the best leverage position of all the outfielders if, in fact, the Nationals and Phillies -- division rivals -- focus on luring him away from another division rival, the Braves.
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From Buster Olney his morning:
One executive joked recently that there is not a more inevitable offseason connection than the Nationals and center fielder Michael Bourn, who is eligible for free agency in the fall. "Can we just put that one in the books now?" he said, noting all the factors in play. They are:
1. The Nationals need a center fielder, and Bourn is a former Gold Glove winner whose performance this year is charting very well. His UZR/150 rating is the best among those at his position, according to FanGraphs.
2. Bourn, 29, is at the peak of his career as a hitter, and his .756 OPS this season is his second-best. Bourn ranks sixth in the majors in runs scored, and of course, all of his damage has been done as a leadoff hitter. Washington's leadoff hitters ranks 19th in OPS this year.
3. And Bourn is represented by Scott Boras -- and there are a whole lot of Nationals represented by Boras, from Stephen Strasburg to Bryce Harper to Jayson Werth to others.
But another rival official noted all the money that the Phillies have freed from their payroll, with the trades of Hunter Pence, Shane Victorino and Joe Blanton. "You know who they want, right?" the official asked. "They love Michael Bourn."
He was drafted and developed by the Phillies, of course, as a fourth-round pick in 2003, and the Phillies know all about his gregarious personality, and that he has a grinder's mentality. For years, manager Charlie Manuel has tried to settle on a leadoff hitter; sometimes he has used Jimmy Rollins, sometimes Shane Victorino.
If the Phillies make a strong push for Bourn, it's unclear whether they would be willing to outbid the Nationals. Washington opened this season with a payroll of $92 million, and if its wealthy ownership is willing, it has a lot of room to grow under the luxury-tax cap. Bourn figures to get a multiyear deal for something in the range of $16 million to $22 million annually, and as has been well-documented over the last six weeks, the Phillies already have a lot of payroll obligations well into the future, with $20 million-plus commitments to Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Cole Hamels and Ryan Howard on the books. The Phillies also will have to find a third baseman, a starting pitcher and at least one outfielder, depending on their internal evaluations of Domonic Brown and John Mayberry Jr.
Josh Hamilton will be the most dynamic free agent outfielder this fall, albeit with a lot of questions about how much he can be counted on. But Bourn might be in the best leverage position of all the outfielders if, in fact, the Nationals and Phillies -- division rivals -- focus on luring him away from another division rival, the Braves.
thumbs up to you for posting that. thx.
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I'm getting really bored with the "WE NEED A CENTER FIELDER" story line of the last 3 years or so. Sign LaRoche to a long-term deal, keep Morse in LF and we're done. Still need a leadoff guy though.
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after all he's done this year, i'll be pretty bummed if they don't bring laroche back next year
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The man definitely has good taste in headwear.
(http://www.playerwives.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/mlb3.jpg)
after all he's done this year, i'll be pretty bummed if they don't bring laroche back next year
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after all he's done this year, i'll be pretty bummed if they don't bring laroche back next year
assuming they're still looking for a CF (and that's a pretty good bet), LaRoche is gone.
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after all he's done this year, i'll be pretty bummed if they don't bring laroche back next year
assuming they're still looking for a CF (and that's a pretty good bet), LaRoche is gone.
That would be a huge bummer, he's been on fire this season.
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after all he's done this year, i'll be pretty bummed if they don't bring laroche back next year
assuming they're still looking for a CF (and that's a pretty good bet), LaRoche is gone.
yeah, it doesnt look good with an already crowded outfield and morse able to play first, but i still hope it works out somehow. hes been so consistent this year, and i dont think the nats would be where they are without him.
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AGE R HR RBI AVG OBP OPS SALARY
30 65 22 80 .297 .351 .841 $6.57m
32 77 27 94 .268 .338 .820 $10m
With a dozen or so players in arbitration and a crowded outfield that places Morse probably 4th, this doesn't seem like a tough decision on LaRoche's option. Too bad you're not in the AL where keeping them both makes sense.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/washington-nationals-fans-begin-to-ask-could-this-be-our-year/2012/08/08/eb745e12-e188-11e1-a25e-15067bb31849_story.html
Fun article, I hate saying "this is our year" for any DC sports team. I've been bitten by that as a Caps fan most recently, and I think every year since I was 7 as a Redskins fan and I was at least hopeful when the Wizards made the playoffs. I'll bite my tongue for the Nats for now...
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So at what point do you drop Mr. .251 in the batting order, or sit him on the bench?
Make him a bench guy and you solve the Laroche problem.
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So at what point do you drop Mr. .251 in the batting order, or sit him on the bench?
Make him a bench guy and you solve the Laroche problem.
He's slumping bad. But not as bad as the entire b'more infield.
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i would like to see harper sit for a while (he's out of tonights lineup, ftr) but i think he needs to play or theres no chance he'll snap out of it by september
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i would like to see harper sit for a while (he's out of tonights lineup, ftr) but i think he needs to play or theres no chance he'll snap out of it by september
agree. ride it out, it's the first slump of his career and he's got to get the first-hand knowledge he can snap out of it.
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So at what point do you drop Mr. .251 in the batting order, or sit him on the bench?
Make him a bench guy and you solve the Laroche problem.
He's slumping bad. But not as bad as the entire b'more infield.
Quintanilla is 7-for-14 with a home run, three RBIs and four runs scored in his last three games.
.333 avg in 19 games.
Machado is 4-for-8 with 2HR, a triple and 4 RBI.
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Giants couldn't field the ball for SHIT last night, it was funny and kind of sad at the same time. Then I thought about how many times I've seen the Nats look that way in the past and didn't feel bad. So much for a pitcher's duel...
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Great column on the Strasburg shutdown and the Nats.
Rizzo to Stras's dad "I promised you when I was in your house trying to sign your son that I would take care of him. And I?m going to do it.?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/stephen-strasburg-shutdown-debate-masks-the-washington-nationals-true-story/2012/08/14/d09ea3ee-e63e-11e1-8741-940e3f6dbf48_story.html
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it's like something out of a mighty ducks movie.
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It's like.....................................................Batman
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I'm thinking Harper is out of his slump.
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I'll still knock on wood, good to see him get a homer at home and that monster triple. Seems like everything he was hitting was popping up or grounding straight into the defense. Maybe those few sat out starts were good for him.
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trout vs. harper talk...
looks like only one of them will be playing in october this year.
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oops
come on Bryce..step it up man.
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trout vs. harper talk...
looks like only one of them will be playing in october this year.
Well played.
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Why won't the Nats do this, especially with the playoffs looming. Haven't they played 10 or 11 extra inning games this year? AND 2 rain delayed games this week alone. Skins and Caps do it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/2012/08/23/b1377a08-ed69-11e1-a80b-9f898562d010_story.html
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Because the Lerners are cheap fucking assholes and before they've been able to get the District council to bend over for everything on a whim. Skins and Caps do it because both are time-limited overtimes (except for playoffs).
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reeling....
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Last night has me a little panicked.... To see the bats as cold as they have been in this streak is insanely frustrating... They're getting jammed at every turn if they aren't striking out and it looks like Desi might not be at 100%. If they drop another one tonight maybe I'll be full blown panicked. I know Strasburg is only human, but seeing him allow 7 runs really irked me. Bummer the offense couldn't step up and help him out.
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ever notice that often before pitchers have an injury or as the injury is happening- and is not yet noticed- they have an outing or two where they give up a lot of runs?
Rizzo should stick to the plan and shut him down. I would also do some MRIs etc just to make sure everything is copacetic.. If this had happened at the beginning of the year I wouldn't even think about it but his arm might be tired/strained whatever...
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They were saying on the broadcast and on the post game that the strain of the regular season can start getting to some people like Stras, Gio, and Zim, I can see that. What are they at now, like 25 starts each or so? He's got about 1 or 2 more starts, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets shut down before then. His fastball was there, but it was all over the place. Maybe he was just in his head about being the stopper this season.
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They were saying on the broadcast and on the post game that the strain of the regular season can start getting to some people like Stras, Gio, and Zim, I can see that. What are they at now, like 25 starts each or so?
I posted something similar in the Orioles thread a couple weeks ago. I don't think starts are as important as total innings, but we'll see.
I don't think the Nats have to worry about Gio as much - he's thrown 200+ innings for the last 2 seasons, but Zim is reaching uncharted territory for him here on out, and we all know about Stras (I say one more start and he's done). Oddly, Jackson may be the key for the Nats - he's an innings eater, just maybe not the most effective.
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Edwin definitely lays the most stress on me when he pitches hahaha somehow he can throw any good amount of innings between 4 and 6 and somehow 1 will just get away from him. So weird.
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I hope we don't have to rely on Edwin because he can't pitch more than five solid innings.. Innings eater? Not what I've seen...
Bryce Harper hit two home runs yesterday. Hopefully a sign of things to come.
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I was at the Skins game last night so I wasn't able to watch, was super excited reading about Bryce's 2 jacks and Desi and Morse also getting RBIs, was able to listen to the last inning or so. Kurt Suzuki homering!? I'm fine with that! Heading out to the game tomorrow, hope I can FINALLY snag me a free Nats tee hahaha
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Innings eater? Not what I've seen...
The guy has averaged 6 and 1/3 innings per start every season for the last 3 years. Clearly your definition of "innings eater" is not the same as every GM in baseball, who would all agree that that's more than a quality start per start.
Is he the Ace every team who has had him thought he would be? Absolutely not. But he is more than serviceable and gives the pen a much need break far more often than most #4 starters. That's an innings eater.
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edwin sure delivered tonight.
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Innings eater? Not what I've seen...
The guy has averaged 6 and 1/3 innings per start every season for the last 3 years. Clearly your definition of "innings eater" is not the same as every GM in baseball, who would all agree that that's more than a quality start per start.
Is he the Ace every team who has had him thought he would be? Absolutely not. But he is more than serviceable and gives the pen a much need break far more often than most #4 starters. That's an innings eater.
the games I've seen though he gets to the fifth or sixth inning and falls apart...I just have no confidence in the guy... guess I just saw the wrong games but i never saw him make it to the 7th inning..
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i'm comfortable with edwin. he always has that one inning that can make or break the entire start, but he can be reliable (and sometimes close to dominant) if he gets out of it relatively unscathed and gets decent run support. the key when he starts is for the nats to get him some runs really early. tonight was the best i've ever seen him. the nats immediately took the lead and edwin completely shut the cardinals down for 8 innings.
if nothing else i like his willingness to help out the team in less obvious ways, like pinch running and warming up in the bullpen when the nats run out of relievers in extra inning games
i dont know how likely it is for him to come back next year, but i like what he can bring as a postseason starter.
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double post
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Does he really have a choice in the matter on these items?
if nothing else i like his willingness to help out the team in less obvious ways, like pinch running and warming up in the bullpen when the nats run out of relievers in extra inning games
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I'm sure he could say "no" if he felt like it. Was super pleased with Edwin's start last night. Highest pitch count for a Nats pitcher this year. Good to see them bounce back with 16 runs in the past 2 games after the bats sleeping over the weekend and beginning of the week. Excited to hit the game tonight! I'm 0 for 2 this season, so hopefully tonight we get a win!
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I dunno, you make 10 million a year, I don't think you can say "no" to your boss.
I'm sure he could say "no" if he felt like it. Was super pleased with Edwin's start last night. Highest pitch count for a Nats pitcher this year. Good to see them bounce back with 16 runs in the past 2 games after the bats sleeping over the weekend and beginning of the week. Excited to hit the game tonight! I'm 0 for 2 this season, so hopefully tonight we get a win!
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Davey cherishes all the pitchers though, didn't Edwin grab his cleets and step and say that he could have pitched in that extra inning game? I'd imagine he COULDNT say "no", but even still I still think he has a choice... kind of hahaha
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the games I've seen though he gets to the fifth or sixth inning and falls apart...I just have no confidence in the guy... guess I just saw the wrong games but i never saw him make it to the 7th inning..
Well, then I guess it's a good thing most GM's don't limit their analysis to "only the games Hutch has seen."
His problem has always been trying to over power people. Last night he remembered his slider is his most effective pitch - if he continues to remember that, some team will over pay for him in the off season and you won't to worry about him any more. That's probably what Boras told him when he signed the one year deal with the Nats.
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the games I've seen though he gets to the fifth or sixth inning and falls apart...I just have no confidence in the guy... guess I just saw the wrong games but i never saw him make it to the 7th inning..
Well, then I guess it's a good thing most GM's don't limit their analysis to "only the games Hutch has seen."
Get that bug out of your ass, ok?
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I am tempted to write: Edwin Jackson is a pitcher, based on what I've seen, that does not have the make up to be a big game/ playoff pitcher. Of course could be wrong but I would not want to see him in a key playoff game.
Since I really haven't seen that much of him I hope for the best should the Nats get to a big game!
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I am tempted to write: Edwin Jackson is a pitcher, based on what I've seen, that does not have the make up to be a big game/ playoff pitcher. Of course could be wrong but I would not want to see him in a key playoff game.
Since I really haven't seen that much of him I hope for the best should the Nats get to a big game!
Not the strongest performances for St Louis last year. One strong game in the NLDS, then two short outings in the NLCS where he gave up some runs early and was pulled (but STL put up a ton of runs and ended up winning both games) and then a loss in his only start in the World Series.
He does have one thing no other Nats starting pitcher has though - playoff experience. They'll look to him to keep the rest of the team relaxed.
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Way too many Cards fans at the game today, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised. St. Loser is one of America's genuine dumpster fires.
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I am tempted to write: Edwin Jackson is a pitcher, based on what I've seen, that does not have the make up to be a big game/ playoff pitcher. Of course could be wrong but I would not want to see him in a key playoff game.
Since I really haven't seen that much of him I hope for the best should the Nats get to a big game!
he's our #4 starter. expectations for a #4 starter are usually along the lines of 'get us some innings, and keep us in the game'. in that aspect, edwin has been phenomenal. your putting top of the rotation expections on a guy that isn't a top of the rotation guy.
and his numbers are fantastic. whip, k/bb, era+ are way above the league average for #4 starters. he's arguably the best #4 starter in the league.
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"We're" paying him $11,000,000 for 2012. That's nearly $400,000 per start. I hope management expects more from him than you do. Oh wait, he can pinch run, guess that makes him worth every penny.
(I am tempted to write: Edwin Jackson is a pitcher, based on what I've seen, that does not have the make up to be a big game/ playoff pitcher. Of course could be wrong but I would not want to see him in a key playoff game.
Since I really haven't seen that much of him I hope for the best should the Nats get to a big game!
he's our #4 starter. expectations for a #4 starter are usually along the lines of 'get us some innings, and keep us in the game'. in that aspect, edwin has been phenomenal. your putting top of the rotation expections on a guy that isn't a top of the rotation guy.
and his numbers are fantastic. whip, k/bb, era+ are way above the league average for #4 starters. he's arguably the best #4 starter in the league.
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"We're" paying him $11,000,000 for 2012. That's nearly $400,000 per start. I hope management expects more from him than you do. Oh wait, he can pinch run, guess that makes him worth every penny.
(I am tempted to write: Edwin Jackson is a pitcher, based on what I've seen, that does not have the make up to be a big game/ playoff pitcher. Of course could be wrong but I would not want to see him in a key playoff game.
Since I really haven't seen that much of him I hope for the best should the Nats get to a big game!
he's our #4 starter. expectations for a #4 starter are usually along the lines of 'get us some innings, and keep us in the game'. in that aspect, edwin has been phenomenal. your putting top of the rotation expections on a guy that isn't a top of the rotation guy.
and his numbers are fantastic. whip, k/bb, era+ are way above the league average for #4 starters. he's arguably the best #4 starter in the league.
come on man, do you even follow baseball? lets just name a few pitchers who are making comparable money, most in multi-year deals...
john lackey - $16M
brett myers - $11M
daisuke matsuzaka - $10M
ted lilly - $10M
carl pavano - $9M
derek lowe - $15M
randy wolf - $9.5M
want to swap out for any of those terrible contracts? a one year "rental" at $11M for a solid #4 does NOT warrant complaints. he was a post-season pitcher for the world series champions, doesn't miss starts, he's currently 8th in the NL w/ a .230 BAA, WHIP is 1.16, K/bb ratio is 2.84, he's having the 2nd best season of his career, and the little i've heard about him in the clubhouse is all positive.
so as far as managements expectations being higher than mine... i'm sure they are more than thrilled with the investment they made for their #4 starter.
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Was he the #4 pitcher for the Cards last year?
"We're" paying him $11,000,000 for 2012. That's nearly $400,000 per start. I hope management expects more from him than you do. Oh wait, he can pinch run, guess that makes him worth every penny.
(I am tempted to write: Edwin Jackson is a pitcher, based on what I've seen, that does not have the make up to be a big game/ playoff pitcher. Of course could be wrong but I would not want to see him in a key playoff game.
Since I really haven't seen that much of him I hope for the best should the Nats get to a big game!
he's our #4 starter. expectations for a #4 starter are usually along the lines of 'get us some innings, and keep us in the game'. in that aspect, edwin has been phenomenal. your putting top of the rotation expections on a guy that isn't a top of the rotation guy.
and his numbers are fantastic. whip, k/bb, era+ are way above the league average for #4 starters. he's arguably the best #4 starter in the league.
come on man, do you even follow baseball? lets just name a few pitchers who are making comparable money, most in multi-year deals...
john lackey - $16M
brett myers - $11M
daisuke matsuzaka - $10M
ted lilly - $10M
carl pavano - $9M
derek lowe - $15M
randy wolf - $9.5M
want to swap out for any of those terrible contracts? a one year "rental" at $11M for a solid #4 does NOT warrant complaints. he was a post-season pitcher for the world series champions, doesn't miss starts, he's currently 8th in the NL w/ a .230 BAA, WHIP is 1.16, K/bb ratio is 2.84, he's having the 2nd best season of his career, and the little i've heard about him in the clubhouse is all positive.
so as far as managements expectations being higher than mine... i'm sure they are more than thrilled with the investment they made for their #4 starter.
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Was he the #4 pitcher for the Cards last year?
yes
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Way too many Cards fans at the game today, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised. St. Loser is one of America's genuine dumpster fires.
I went on Friday and I hardly ran into any, I did notice that there was chanting on the Fox boradcast of "Lets go Cardinals" and then the Nats faithful responding with weak "boos". But Friday was awesome because we smashed them 10-0 and Gio pitched a complete game. Very fun. THe Cards fans behind us were very of their disapproval so I began to point and laugh everytime they showed replays on the screen above us. They left early. ahahahaha losers.
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a one year "rental" at $11M for a solid #4 does NOT warrant complaints.
so as far as managements expectations being higher than mine... i'm sure they are more than thrilled with the investment they made for their #4 starter.
The Wiz is wise on this one. And so is Scott Boras. Someone will overpay for him next year with a long term deal (don't let that be you), but the Nat's got a great deal and if he can be a solid #3 in he playoffs, both player and team will be happy with the one year deal.
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the bats are on fire
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Someone on the radio asked if they were juicing, isn't everyone producing at kind of their same rate? I think Ian Desmond is the only one who's really stepped up his production. Good to see the offense exploding at once. Averaging around 7 runs a game since their losing streak? Insanity.
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stil on fire
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quite a game tonight :D
baseball fights are the best.
the "stop trying to score when you're already ahead" thing is bullshit.
davey is the man.
i know it was the cubs, but what a series for the bats. good to see bryce heating up.
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(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1343197/brycerealmad.gif)
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the "stop trying to score when you're already ahead" thing is bullshit.
Seriously. They were only up by 5 runs and there were still...what... 3.5 innings left? We've blown leads nearly twice that big in just a couple innings. The Nats aren't going to quit playing just because you suck. This isn't Little League.
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there's something incredibly awesome about watching a 19-year old playing baseball totally fearless and borderline wreckless as Harper did last night.
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there's something incredibly awesome about watching a 19-year old playing baseball totally fearless and borderline wreckless as Harper did last night.
if he's on the bases too long you can see him just itching to get home, most exciting player i've seen in a long time. i love the Federal Baseball tag-line for him in the lineup card:
1. The WereWerth - RF
2. Run-Until-He's-Tagged, Tape-Measure-Testing, Laser-Throwing, Eyeblack-Oozing Baseball Cyborg" (aka Bryce Harper) - CF
3. THE KIDS CALL HIM ZIM!! - 3B (Word.)
4. Adam "Graceful, Effortless" LaRoche - 1B
5. The People's Champion Michael Morse - LF
6. Ian "+Range, +Arm" Desmond - SS
7. "Left Side" Danny Espinosa - 2B
8. Kurt "Suzy" Suzuki - C
9. Jordan "DeadEyez" Zimmermann - RHP
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nats en fuego..too bad playoffs didn't start last week!
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let's start the tracker...
games strasburg would have pitched: 1
wins in those games: 1
losses in those games: 0
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How was John Lannan? I only got to see the first 4 innings and he looked solid.
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games strasburg would have pitched: 2
wins in those games: 1
losses in those games: 1
lannon throwing batting practice
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i hate to throw out the bad ump cost them a game card, but geez. dude was nowhere near home before the tag
(http://ckelly.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c562353ef017744dc4190970d-pi)
that 8th inning rally was beautiful stuff regardless
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nats playoff tickets on-sale tomorrow, 10am
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nats playoff tickets on-sale tomorrow, 10am
You have any more information on this (link to the sale?). I can't find anything on it and haven't gotten a nats email about tickets going on sale.
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nats playoff tickets on-sale tomorrow, 10am
You have any more information on this (link to the sale?). I can't find anything on it and haven't gotten a nats email about tickets going on sale.
http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/was/ticketing/postseason.jsp
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Come join us in the virtual waiting room!
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purchased tickets for game 2 & 3 (which would presumably be game 4 or 5, if necessary)
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Due to a family tragedy this week I wasn't able to attend the game last night, looks like the atmosphere was electrifying when the game ended. So happy. Wasn't able to snag tickets on the pre-sale, hopefully they won't sell out before my next payday...
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purchased tickets for game 2 & 3 (which would presumably be game 4 or 5, if necessary)
I got tickets for game 5. The pickings weren't very good by the time I got through the virtual waiting room.
Apparently O's tickets were way easier to come by, my co-worker right next to me was trying for O's tickets as I was trying for Nats and he got 4 each to the wild card and both potential ALDS games in a matter of seconds and was quite late to the waiting room.
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purchased tickets for game 2 & 3 (which would presumably be game 4 or 5, if necessary)
I got tickets for game 5. The pickings weren't very good by the time I got through the virtual waiting room.
Apparently O's tickets were way easier to come by, my co-worker right next to me was trying for O's tickets as I was trying for Nats and he got 4 each to the wild card and both potential ALDS games in a matter of seconds and was quite late to the waiting room.
i think tickets to that aren't open to the general public yet, they are suppose to be on sale tomorrow at 10am. that wild card game would be insane!
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Thanks to my ticket plan, I'm set for the whole run. Go Nats!
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Congrats to the Nats on clinching a playoff spot!
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This Orioles fan got tickets (4) to the Wild Card and Division Games 1 and 2...No problem at all.
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This Orioles fan got tickets (4) to the Wild Card and Division Games 1 and 2...No problem at all.
Of course.. because they don't really have many fans and because their fans are far poorer.
If you're a scalper you're going to buy Nats tickets because you will make a profit.. Orioles? Their tickets are very cheap.
Of course this is good for the true Oriole fan and I'm happy for you but it is good to understand why you could get tickets.
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This O's fan got a $29 ticket for $1 plus fees to the Nats game on Monday. I should be home im time for dinner and back to school night.
Hey, I'd love to go to the O's doubleheader on Monday, but when you live in NoVA and work a two mile walk from Nats Stadium, you gotta do what you gotta do.
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This O's fan got a $29 ticket for $1 plus fees to the Nats game on Monday. I should be home im time for dinner and back to school night.
Hey, I'd love to go to the O's doubleheader on Monday, but when you live in NoVA and work a two mile walk from Nats Stadium, you gotta do what you gotta do.
Regular season tickets for the Nats are not a problem.. they don't draw well... tickets can be had cheap... although the good Nats tickets cost far more than the good Orioles tickets..
But I think post season tickets for the Nats will be more scarce...
One thing is for sure.. DC is not a baseball town.
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This Orioles fan got tickets (4) to the Wild Card and Division Games 1 and 2...No problem at all.
Of course.. because they don't really have many fans and because their fans are far poorer.
If you're a scalper you're going to buy Nats tickets because you will make a profit.. Orioles? Their tickets are very cheap.
Of course this is good for the true Oriole fan and I'm happy for you but it is good to understand why you could get tickets.
MLB sets the prices for the postseason, so blame them.
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Congrats to the Nats on clinching a playoff spot!
This. Very nice.
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This Orioles fan got tickets (4) to the Wild Card and Division Games 1 and 2...No problem at all.
Of course.. because they don't really have many fans and because their fans are far poorer.
If you're a scalper you're going to buy Nats tickets because you will make a profit.. Orioles? Their tickets are very cheap.
Of course this is good for the true Oriole fan and I'm happy for you but it is good to understand why you could get tickets.
MLB sets the prices for the postseason, so blame them.
So it went over your head? The reason you could get tickets easily is because you are trying to get Orioles tickets to games in Baltimore.
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By The Numbers
From ESPN Stats and Info
11,310: Days since Nationals franchise clinched postseason berth on Oct. 3, 1981.
70: No-hitters in MLB since then ... just one by the Expos/Nationals franchise (Dennis Martinez on July 7, 1991).
29: Different teams to have reached the postseason (that's every other team except the Nationals franchise).
26: Quarterbacks which have started a game in the 2012 NFL season that were born following Nationals last postseason appearance.
5: U.S. Presidents which have held office (Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama).
0: Expos/Nationals pitchers which have won at least 20 games in a season (Gio Gonzalez can end drought on Saturday).
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There's also the fact that one team has clinched; the other has not.
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so when does Storen get the closer job?
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i respect how davey sticks with guys who are struggling, but that needed to be drew's inning. or just let edwin finish it out. he was cruising.
i like clippard and he's done great work this season, but i think he needs a break or some lower pressure innings for a while. edwin pitched way too beautiful a game not to get a win tonight.
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Yeah - I want to see Storen back in that position. I love Clipp, but he cracks too easily and when he does it gets bad pretty quickly. People were booing him last night almost from the start, which I thought was unfair and didn't really help his confidence. I thought Jackson was slipping just a touch at the end last night, so I'm not surprised they brought in Clippard. But in hindsight....
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This Orioles fan got tickets (4) to the Wild Card and Division Games 1 and 2...No problem at all.
Of course.. because they don't really have many fans and because their fans are far poorer.
If you're a scalper you're going to buy Nats tickets because you will make a profit.. Orioles? Their tickets are very cheap.
Of course this is good for the true Oriole fan and I'm happy for you but it is good to understand why you could get tickets.
MLB sets the prices for the postseason, so blame them.
So it went over your head? The reason you could get tickets easily is because you are trying to get Orioles tickets to games in Baltimore.
Just trying to say congrats to your team.
Sorry all the fair weather Nats fans took your post season tickets.
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Nats are not in their best form
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I'm not so sure a #1 seed is what the Nats should want. They certainly need to win the division, but a #1 seed could give them the Braves in the NLDS, and I'd kinda rather see the Giants. After that Braves sweep in Atlanta I'd rather let the Reds take care of them
I'm not saying yesterdays game was anything but sloppy, but there's a positive in slipping to #2 in the league.
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Nats are not in their best form
7-7 since Stras was shut down, 4-6 in their last 10, somehow still 4/12 games up in the NL East and tied for the best record in baseball. Hopefully they can snap out of this awkward funk and plow their way into the post season. I missed pretty much all the games last week due to a family emergency. Their bats seem on and off. Was listening to a bit of the game on Friday, shame Edwin pitched a gem for them to lose at the end, was nice to see Gio get his 20th win on Saturday! Hopefully they can split the series today with the Brewers.
Anyone get playoff tickets? I was confused as to which to buy [game 1 or 2] but by the time I settled on game 1 it said all the tickets were unavailable. So, how does it work? If the Nats do clinch the division, do they play 2 2 1 1 1? That's where my confusion was...
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I'm not so sure a #1 seed is what the Nats should want. They certainly need to win the division, but a #1 seed could give them the Braves in the NLDS, and I'd kinda rather see the Giants. After that Braves sweep in Atlanta I'd rather let the Reds take care of them
I'm not saying yesterdays game was anything but sloppy, but there's a positive in slipping to #2 in the league.
Totally agree. I'd much rather have the #2 seed.
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Anyone get playoff tickets? I was confused as to which to buy [game 1 or 2] but by the time I settled on game 1 it said all the tickets were unavailable. So, how does it work? If the Nats do clinch the division, do they play 2 2 1 1 1? That's where my confusion was...
format is 2-3. so, we will likely see games 3,4, and 5.
I'm not so sure a #1 seed is what the Nats should want. They certainly need to win the division, but a #1 seed could give them the Braves in the NLDS, and I'd kinda rather see the Giants. After that Braves sweep in Atlanta I'd rather let the Reds take care of them
I'm not saying yesterdays game was anything but sloppy, but there's a positive in slipping to #2 in the league.
Totally agree. I'd much rather have the #2 seed.
agree as well. braves are stacked, let cincy have the best record. bring on the giants.
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Went to the game today.
So when does Storen get the closer job?
so when does Storen get the closer job?
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i dont think anyone gets the closer job in a ten run game
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Not looking forward to this Phils series. I hope we can smack them back in the mouth after the last sweep. Bastards. I'd love to see them wrap the division up this week...
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Tonight is the night the Nats clinch. Mark my words.
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I hope so, I have tickets for tomorrows game... Had tickets to the Dodgers game when we clinched the playoff berth, but couldnt go due to a family emergency. Anyone get tickets for the playoffs? Totally slept on the email they sent me and now it's showing all are sold out :\
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i read a post article that said some standing room only tickets would be available at the box office the day of the game in the playoffs. $25/30 or so. not a bad price to get into a playoff ballgame.
edit: here http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/nats-standing-room-only-playoff-tickets/2012/09/27/69586048-08c2-11e2-9eea-333857f6a7bd_blog.html
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yay NATS
team is going into the playoffs sputtering.. hoping for the best but they were peaking 3 weeks ago.
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great atmosphere tonight, horrible game.
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not the best way to clinch it, but at least a huge weight is lifted now.
this team is far from their best form lately, but hopefully celebrating tonight and getting a few days rest will recharge some batteries.
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Hate seeing them lost to the Phils again and getting blanked, such a relief that they win the division. Excited to head to the park tonight [if it's not rained out] and see Gio pitch again. My eyes might have teared up a little seeing Ryan Zimmerman looking out at the crowd in silence. Feel so great for him, he's gone through so much with this team.
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So I think the most important thing regarding the Nats is:
Is Teddy going to win tomorrow?
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I'd imagine so, they have a Teddy themed series to end fan appreciation month AND it's been extended through the playoffs. He has to win.
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it was pretty close last night, and they had that mccain video
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Teddy will not and cannot win. He is the lovable loser... the whole point is he always loses.
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Hate seeing them lost to the Phils again and getting blanked, such a relief that they win the division. Excited to head to the park tonight [if it's not rained out] and see Gio pitch again. My eyes might have teared up a little seeing Ryan Zimmerman looking out at the crowd in silence. Feel so great for him, he's gone through so much with this team.
I doubt Gio will start tonight. They'll shuffle things to get him a game #1 start.
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Hate seeing them lost to the Phils again and getting blanked, such a relief that they win the division. Excited to head to the park tonight [if it's not rained out] and see Gio pitch again. My eyes might have teared up a little seeing Ryan Zimmerman looking out at the crowd in silence. Feel so great for him, he's gone through so much with this team.
I doubt Gio will start tonight. They'll shuffle things to get him a game #1 start.
Totally didn't think about that, Gorzo got the start. If there is even a game tonight :\ if they end up playing a double header tomorrow I'll miss it because of work :\
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Update on the TV rights deal:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2012/10/02/outcome-of-tv-dispute-could-decide-if-orioles-or-nationals-win-a-world-series/
Anyone heading out to the game today? I hope Teddy wins. Got my "Teddy in '12" sticker last night. Had fun, always great to see the Nats beat the Phils, feels even better with the goon squad in there!
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Teddy won.
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I called it!
;D
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Teddy won.
So sad I missed this. I should have been at this game :(
I missed the playoff clincher, the division clincher, and Teddy winning. But! I did see LaRoche's 100th RBI! wooooooooooooo!!!
I hope the Reds lose...
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Word.
I missed the playoff clincher, the division clincher, and Teddy winning. But! I do get to see Skillrex perform at VFest.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Gayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
So this means the Nats are the top seed so we should be playing Atlanta or the St. Louis starting on Sunday?
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correct. playoff baseball starts in DC on Wednesday, w/ games 4 and 5 on thursday and friday.
i got my tickets in the mail for games 4 and 5 today!
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Teddy won.
Darn. I had mustard.
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correct. playoff baseball starts in DC on Wednesday, w/ games 4 and 5 on thursday and friday.
i got my tickets in the mail for games 4 and 5 today!
Any word on start time? I heard an interview with Davey this morning where they asked him if it was true if "Nats games would be in the day time to put the Yankees in primetime" and he didn't know. That would fucking suck. Glad the wild card game is at 5...
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correct. playoff baseball starts in DC on Wednesday, w/ games 4 and 5 on thursday and friday.
i got my tickets in the mail for games 4 and 5 today!
Any word on start time? I heard an interview with Davey this morning where they asked him if it was true if "Nats games would be in the day time to put the Yankees in primetime" and he didn't know. That would fucking suck. Glad the wild card game is at 5...
no word yet. i didn't realize they could be day games, yikes.
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correct. playoff baseball starts in DC on Wednesday, w/ games 4 and 5 on thursday and friday.
i got my tickets in the mail for games 4 and 5 today!
Any word on start time? I heard an interview with Davey this morning where they asked him if it was true if "Nats games would be in the day time to put the Yankees in primetime" and he didn't know. That would fucking suck. Glad the wild card game is at 5...
no word yet. i didn't realize they could be day games, yikes.
Day games rule.... ;)
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correct. playoff baseball starts in DC on Wednesday, w/ games 4 and 5 on thursday and friday.
i got my tickets in the mail for games 4 and 5 today!
Any word on start time? I heard an interview with Davey this morning where they asked him if it was true if "Nats games would be in the day time to put the Yankees in primetime" and he didn't know. That would fucking suck. Glad the wild card game is at 5...
no word yet. i didn't realize they could be day games, yikes.
Day games rule.... ;)
They do rule, but that would suck because I wouldn't be able to go, watch, or even listen to the games. I'd have to follow online which is borrrinngg
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Orioles had the best day game record in the AL (Texas second). Wish their game was a day game!
correct. playoff baseball starts in DC on Wednesday, w/ games 4 and 5 on thursday and friday.
i got my tickets in the mail for games 4 and 5 today!
Any word on start time? I heard an interview with Davey this morning where they asked him if it was true if "Nats games would be in the day time to put the Yankees in primetime" and he didn't know. That would fucking suck. Glad the wild card game is at 5...
no word yet. i didn't realize they could be day games, yikes.
Day games rule.... ;)
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correct. playoff baseball starts in DC on Wednesday, w/ games 4 and 5 on thursday and friday.
i got my tickets in the mail for games 4 and 5 today!
Any word on start time? I heard an interview with Davey this morning where they asked him if it was true if "Nats games would be in the day time to put the Yankees in primetime" and he didn't know. That would fucking suck. Glad the wild card game is at 5...
no word yet. i didn't realize they could be day games, yikes.
Day games rule.... ;)
They do rule, but that would suck because I wouldn't be able to go, watch, or even listen to the games. I'd have to follow online which is borrrinngg
i mean, fuck it, i just wouldn't go to work.
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I still have a couple days.... I'll wait til the schedule is finalized.... I have to make it to a game :(
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Game 1 Sunday 3:07
Game 2 Monday 4:30
Radio Broadcast on 106.7fm
Would these be carried on MASN?
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nope, only pre and post game stuff will be on masn
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Would these be carried on MASN?
All of the NLDS is on TBS.
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Would these be carried on MASN?
All of the NLDS is on TBS.
*** TBS will air three of the four Division Series games on Sunday, October 7th and up to three games on Wednesday, October 10th. MLB Network will air one Division Series game on both of those dates. TBS will air 18 of the 20 Division Series games.
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That's a little confusing. So, TBS gets 18 games and MLB gets 2 for the NLDS. Got it. Super excited! Looking forward to the wild card games tonight!
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Lacking cable, I won't be able to watch any NL games until the NLCS or any AL games until the World Series. These are the two weeks of the year where I regret my cablefree life. Though not that much.
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*** TBS will air three of the four Division Series games on Sunday, October 7th and up to three games on Wednesday, October 10th. MLB Network will air one Division Series game on both of those dates. TBS will air 18 of the 20 Division Series games.
I was under the impression that those two games on the 7th and 10th would be AL only, but I could be wrong. I know the 7th is for sure, and I heard the 10th would be as well. Hence why I said NLDS...
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Lacking cable, I won't be able to watch any NL games until the NLCS or any AL games until the World Series. These are the two weeks of the year where I regret my cablefree life. Though not that much.
you could always check into a bar or visit a friend who does have cable.
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radio is also cool.
i didn't have a tv between late 2002 and late 2010... true story
and look how well i turned out...
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radio is also cool.
I listened to a number of games in my car this year with the MLB App and thoroughly enjoyed it. Reminded me of being a kid before every game was televised...
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Awesome game, love the comeback and the Goon Squad picking up the team. Insane to think that each team left 10 runners stranded on base, especially considering that I think the Cards loaded the bases 3 times, I believe? Wish I could leave work a little early to catch the full game, should make it back in time to watch the end. Excited!
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Nat's Wednesday Playoff game is at 1pm.
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Been in the virtual waiting room for NLCS game 1 tickets for an hour. Insanity!
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It's ridiculous that there will not be any sort of local simulcast for the MLB Network games. The NFL Network allows this sort of thing since, like the MLB Network, has limited availability.
Save us, LivingSocial.
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It's ridiculous that there will not be any sort of local simulcast for the MLB Network games. The NFL Network allows this sort of thing since, like the MLB Network, has limited availability.
Save us, LivingSocial.
I don't get what MLB is thinking here. There is no other game on TBS at that time, and they decided to reduce the number of possible viewers by 30 million. Just move the A's - DET game to MLB Network since it starts so late on the East Coast anyway. That would halve the number of viewers lost.
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JZ looked so good at the beginning of yesterday's game and then really got roughed up... everything seemed to go the Cards way....
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It was rather unsettling seeing the 1 and 2 both struggle. Hopefully Edwin can right the ship and calm everyone down. Hopefully the bats show a little more patience or start bringing in those runs. I'll be at work tomorrow during the game so I'll be staring at ESPN.com for updates.
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Save us, LivingSocial.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_00IVfPHija0/SaxY2F_hyII/AAAAAAAACPE/i9RzFJG7WaY/s400/star-wars-hologram.jpg)
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Game 3 1:07
Game 4 4:07 [5:07 if Tigers/A's win series in less than 5]
Game 5 8:37 [If necessary]
Didn't manage to get through to get tickets for the NLCS. Just got my fingers crossed they get that far...
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Game 3 1:07
Game 4 4:07 [5:07 if Tigers/A's win series in less than 5]
Game 5 8:37 [If necessary]
Didn't manage to get through to get tickets for the NLCS. Just got my fingers crossed they get that far...
Nice. I made it through the waiting room right at 10 and found both games 1 and 2 already sold out, for tickets I was looking for ($90 or less). Scored a pair for game 6 on maybe the top row of the section, ha.
Like you though, I just hope they get through this round. I think the cardinals have a slight edge in the pitching matchups for the next few and their right handed heavy lineup worries me with Detwiler not being as effective against righties. That being said, Carpenter just came back, so hopefully we can shell him tomorrow and go on and wrap this thing up.
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so fucking pumped for tomorrow. secondary ticket market was in free-fall today, picked up some great tix tonight on stubhub.
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Excited! I might take my lunch break during the 8th inning and run out to a bar around here and watch the end of the game. Gonna have to stare at my screen for updates because apparently my work computer can't run the online radio stream :\ sigh.
WOOO! GO NATS!!
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eating lunch at 4pm is always awesome.
Excited! I might take my lunch break during the 8th inning and run out to a bar around here and watch the end of the game. Gonna have to stare at my screen for updates because apparently my work computer can't run the online radio stream :\ sigh.
WOOO! GO NATS!!
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he didn't say he ate lunch, he said he took his lunch break.
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Yeah, we can eat in the office and still get our break. It depends on the score of the game. I also might just sit in my car and listen to the radio.
Anyone know if they'll be showing the game at the Fairgrounds during the game? I'd imagine so, yes? I know they had a viewing party for Game 2 on Sunday....
EDIT: have no idea how I slashed those letters...
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I know, I was just giving him shit.
Sometimes I'll got for a run at 8am and shower in my gym at work and call that my lunch hour. Then eat while I'm doing my work later.
Damn, we have it soooo good. In my former life, I was a schoolteacher. Lunch consisted of me eating in the lunchroom with the kids for 30 minutes, and having to interrupt my lunch anytime there was an issue. And there was always an issue.
he didn't say he ate lunch, he said he took his lunch break.
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Not looking good at all out at Nat's Park.
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Following the weird in game thing on MLB.com looks like Edwin had a shaky first couple of innings.... Gettin real tired of us stranding runners on base...
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2012_10_10_slnmlb_wasmlb_1&mode=gameday&c_id=was
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Can Jackson pinch run for the Nats in game 4?
Otherwise, like I said, $11 million seems kind of high for a guy who went 10-11 with a 4.03 ERA. That's almost the same as the top five Orioles starting pitchers combined.
"We're" paying him $11,000,000 for 2012. That's nearly $400,000 per start. I hope management expects more from him than you do. Oh wait, he can pinch run, guess that makes him worth every penny.
(I am tempted to write: Edwin Jackson is a pitcher, based on what I've seen, that does not have the make up to be a big game/ playoff pitcher. Of course could be wrong but I would not want to see him in a key playoff game.
Since I really haven't seen that much of him I hope for the best should the Nats get to a big game!
he's our #4 starter. expectations for a #4 starter are usually along the lines of 'get us some innings, and keep us in the game'. in that aspect, edwin has been phenomenal. your putting top of the rotation expections on a guy that isn't a top of the rotation guy.
and his numbers are fantastic. whip, k/bb, era+ are way above the league average for #4 starters. he's arguably the best #4 starter in the league.
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"We're" paying him $11,000,000 for 2012. That's nearly $400,000 per start. I hope management expects more from him than you do. Oh wait, he can pinch run, guess that makes him worth every penny.
(I am tempted to write: Edwin Jackson is a pitcher, based on what I've seen, that does not have the make up to be a big game/ playoff pitcher. Of course could be wrong but I would not want to see him in a key playoff game.
Since I really haven't seen that much of him I hope for the best should the Nats get to a big game!
he's our #4 starter. expectations for a #4 starter are usually along the lines of 'get us some innings, and keep us in the game'. in that aspect, edwin has been phenomenal. your putting top of the rotation expections on a guy that isn't a top of the rotation guy.
and his numbers are fantastic. whip, k/bb, era+ are way above the league average for #4 starters. he's arguably the best #4 starter in the league.
come on man, do you even follow baseball? lets just name a few pitchers who are making comparable money, most in multi-year deals...
john lackey - $16M
brett myers - $11M
daisuke matsuzaka - $10M
ted lilly - $10M
carl pavano - $9M
derek lowe - $15M
randy wolf - $9.5M
want to swap out for any of those terrible contracts? a one year "rental" at $11M for a solid #4 does NOT warrant complaints. he was a post-season pitcher for the world series champions, doesn't miss starts, he's currently 8th in the NL w/ a .230 BAA, WHIP is 1.16, K/bb ratio is 2.84, he's having the 2nd best season of his career, and the little i've heard about him in the clubhouse is all positive.
so as far as managements expectations being higher than mine... i'm sure they are more than thrilled with the investment they made for their #4 starter.
blatantly trolling, James.
since you omitted the response which demonstrated your complete lack of understanding of what starting pitches get paid, the stipulations surrounding edwin's contract, the expectations for edwin, and other statistics slightly more solid than W/L and ERA (Zimmerman's win-loss records sucks, too), i decided to re-hash it.
that said... sucks to see such an early deficit.
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Smashing my face into my desk. Why do we keep stranding runners. Why do we only seem to get on base with 2 effing outs! We had the bases juiced. JUICED.
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Outscored 20-4 the last 2 games. Ouch. If only they had a reliable #1 ace they could have used in this series.......
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Outscored 20-4 the last 2 games. Ouch. If only they had a reliable #1 ace they could have used in this series.......
was Strasburg reliable at the end?
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But the pitchers you list are anomalies. The average salary for a starting pitcher is 4.9 million. The average ERA for starting pitchers in the NL this year was 4.01. Jackson's ERA was 4.03. For 11 million, I'd expect more.
"We're" paying him $11,000,000 for 2012. That's nearly $400,000 per start. I hope management expects more from him than you do. Oh wait, he can pinch run, guess that makes him worth every penny.
(I am tempted to write: Edwin Jackson is a pitcher, based on what I've seen, that does not have the make up to be a big game/ playoff pitcher. Of course could be wrong but I would not want to see him in a key playoff game.
Since I really haven't seen that much of him I hope for the best should the Nats get to a big game!
he's our #4 starter. expectations for a #4 starter are usually along the lines of 'get us some innings, and keep us in the game'. in that aspect, edwin has been phenomenal. your putting top of the rotation expections on a guy that isn't a top of the rotation guy.
and his numbers are fantastic. whip, k/bb, era+ are way above the league average for #4 starters. he's arguably the best #4 starter in the league.
come on man, do you even follow baseball? lets just name a few pitchers who are making comparable money, most in multi-year deals...
john lackey - $16M
brett myers - $11M
daisuke matsuzaka - $10M
ted lilly - $10M
carl pavano - $9M
derek lowe - $15M
randy wolf - $9.5M
want to swap out for any of those terrible contracts? a one year "rental" at $11M for a solid #4 does NOT warrant complaints. he was a post-season pitcher for the world series champions, doesn't miss starts, he's currently 8th in the NL w/ a .230 BAA, WHIP is 1.16, K/bb ratio is 2.84, he's having the 2nd best season of his career, and the little i've heard about him in the clubhouse is all positive.
so as far as managements expectations being higher than mine... i'm sure they are more than thrilled with the investment they made for their #4 starter.
blatantly trolling, James.
since you omitted the response which demonstrated your complete lack of understanding of what starting pitches get paid, the stipulations surrounding edwin's contract, the expectations for edwin, and other statistics slightly more solid than W/L and ERA (Zimmerman's win-loss records sucks, too), i decided to re-hash it.
that said... sucks to see such an early deficit.
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Outscored 20-4 the last 2 games. Ouch. If only they had a reliable #1 ace they could have used in this series.......
22-7 in the series
WEEEE! I can't wait to see all the bandwagon fans jumping off in droves and screaming "Fucking Nats! Fucking DC teams!"
Yayayayayay
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oh come on..w e can do this
all we have to do is win game 4... we won 98 games this year.. we can win ONE game.
think only about game 4.
speaking of game 4 who is pitching?
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detwiler
its a shame the strasburg shutdown thing will come back in full force (costas sure wouldnt shut the hell up about it today) because no pitcher in baseball could have won these games where the nats do nothing on offense.
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Insanely frustrating sitting here seeing Desi and Werth get on base and seeing Bryce and Danny just whiff constantly. I hope this doesn't get into their heads. If this is how they performed in the "most important game of the year" how the hell are they going to perform tomorrow?!
All of the wounded DC fan inside me is starting to seep out... hard...
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honestly, i think if strasburg had pitched in this series, he would have been roughed up just like gio and zimmermann. the cardinals just ooze playoff experience on both sides of the game, and its showed.
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honestly, i think if strasburg had pitched in this series, he would have been roughed up just like gio and zimmermann. the cardinals just ooze playoff experience on both sides of the game, and its showed.
he was being roughed up when they shut him down.. i honestly think if they had kept him pitching it might have been bad for his arm. he got shelled two of his last three starts.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/8562/gamelog;_ylt=AhKHUNBOLoTvDkC5VDqIP5yFCLcF
its just an easy storyline for people to use... that is all.
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detwiler
its a shame the strasburg shutdown thing will come back in full force (costas sure wouldnt shut the hell up about it today) because no pitcher in baseball could have won these games where the nats do nothing on offense.
According to Ken Rosenthal the Nats players are talking about it.
?Sorry, it?s time to utter the S word,? he wrote. ?Heck, some of the Washington Nationals? players are saying it, with very little prompting. ?If we had ?Stras, we?d be up 2-0,? one player told me Tuesday.?
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But the pitchers you list are anomalies. The average salary for a starting pitcher is 4.9 million. The average ERA for starting pitchers in the NL this year was 4.01. Jackson's ERA was 4.03. For 11 million, I'd expect more.
young pitchers make less and skew the average. zimmermann, latos, medlen, hellickson, etc. all make well below the league average of 4.9M.
veteran SPs make more. they've proven they are reliable. they demand long-term contracts. edwin got a 1-year deal.
it's just the way it works. i suggest being frustrated about our offense, harper's no-show, zimmermanns atrocious start, gio's 7 walks, or something that remotely matters.
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Detwiler's worst outing of the year came against StL - last game he pitched.
Lohse's worst outing of the year came agains the Nat's. we saw him twice in September, and got to him both times.
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was Strasburg reliable at the end?
He does have one home run this season, which would have been helpful today, but probably not enough.
The Nat's biggest problem isn't pitching, it's 2.3 runs per game.
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was Strasburg reliable at the end?
He does have one home run this season, which would have been helpful today, but probably not enough.
The Nat's biggest problem isn't pitching, it's 2.3 runs per game.
I hear you but in the playoffs its tough to win a game when you give up 8 runs... or 12 or however many it was in the second game..
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Detwiler's worst outing of the year came against StL - last game he pitched.
Lohse's worst outing of the year came agains the Nat's. we saw him twice in September, and got to him both times.
I hope so. Stranding as many runners as we have can only happen for so long... The bats have to wake up, especially if the pitching isn't pulling it's weight. Wish the game got pushed back to 5. Excited though!
Anyone headed out? You can buy standing room tickets via the Nats site!
EDIT: Apparently a National GM said this "I don't care who wins the World Series as long as it's not them. I hope it takes them another 79 years to make it back to the playoffs. They don't deserve to win."
Fucking insane. I wonder who said it... http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/nationals/2012/10/10/nationals-despised-by-some-baseball-executives/1625975/
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Detwiler's worst outing of the year came against StL - last game he pitched.
Lohse's worst outing of the year came agains the Nat's. we saw him twice in September, and got to him both times.
I hope so. Stranding as many runners as we have can only happen for so long... The bats have to wake up, especially if the pitching isn't pulling it's weight. Wish the game got pushed back to 5. Excited though!
Anyone headed out? You can buy standing room tickets via the Nats site!
EDIT: Apparently a National GM said this "I don't care who wins the World Series as long as it's not them. I hope it takes them another 79 years to make it back to the playoffs. They don't deserve to win."
Fucking insane. I wonder who said it... http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/nationals/2012/10/10/nationals-despised-by-some-baseball-executives/1625975/
all that over shutting down stras? come on..there has to be more
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all that over shutting down stras? come on..there has to be more
No, that's pretty much it. Rizzo and Co are debunking conventional wisdom. Remember everyone hated (and/or still hates) Billy Beane in the early 00s for his Moneyball approach to scouting and player personnel. Same shit, different league and decade.
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i'm going today.
also have tix for tomorrow.
let's hope the nats get my money both days, and then many more days this october.
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it really is unbelievable how much controversy that decision generated. a major sports executive puts a young players long term health over immediate gains and gets crucified for it. that reflects worse on every other gm than it does on rizzo.
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it really is unbelievable how much controversy that decision generated. a major sports executive puts a young players long term health over immediate gains and gets crucified for it. that reflects worse on every other gm than it does on rizzo.
+1 also reflects badly on the press
People need to realize that Strasburg got shelled two of his last three starts.. he was not looking good!
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I think you could argue that he was distracted by the media circus. Thus, it was mental more than physical.
People need to realize that Strasburg got shelled two of his last three starts.. he was not looking good!
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Strasburg's agent, Scott Boras, also represents Bryce Harper, Danny Espinoza, Jayson Werth and Edwin Jackson, and maybe others I'm failing to mention. Also multiple Nats prospects. Boras wanted the shutdown. As sad as it may be, the Nats' relationship with this guy is of the utmost importance.
They had no choice. It had to happen.
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it really is unbelievable how much controversy that decision generated. a major sports executive puts a young players long term health over immediate gains and gets crucified for it. that reflects worse on every other gm than it does on rizzo.
It almost disgusts me that this is reaction from some people. This author says that "Nationals Are Despised" DESPISED! They are trying to protect a fucking phenom, someone who will play for years, not just for the Nats but to possibly be a face of the league and they are being HAMMERED. Fucking insanity. I pray to everything in the universe that we get the last laugh.
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i was reading a baseball thread on another forum, and the same people criticizing rizzo for the shutdown are still pissed at dusty baker and the cubs people for overworking prior and wood to make a world series run. you cant have it both ways.
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Strasburg's agent, Scott Boras, also represents Bryce Harper, Danny Espinoza, Jayson Werth and Edwin Jackson, and maybe others I'm failing to mention. Also multiple Nats prospects. Boras wanted the shutdown. As sad as it may be, the Nats' relationship with this guy is of the utmost importance.
They had no choice. It had to happen.
ugh.
if there is anything that has been completely understated, it's that boras and rizzo are in bed together to make a lot of money together.
As sad as it may be, the Nats' relationship with this guy is of the utmost importance.
^cringeworthy.
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Cool that the Nats won, but more importantly, did Teddy win for the third straight race?
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(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y262/kmdobrz/werth.png)
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detwiler with a dominant outing
zimmermann electric
clippard even more electric
drew storen... you get the point.
werth, our savior!
and teddy won.
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Holy HELL! There was the pitching we've seen all season. That was insane!! 8 strikouts in a row!? Epic at-bat for Jayson Werth. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw him slam that homer. Talk about a momentum swing...
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been to a lot of baseball games, that was the best. super psyched for tonight.
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It was so great to see the crowd that crazy. What a great night!
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Wish I could have been there, wish I could go tonight. Checked online and called in, no more stnading room tickets available. All that's left is 3 suites hahaha
At this point I'd rather see them win than get a ticket!! Let's go Nats!!
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Wish I could have been there, wish I could go tonight. Checked online and called in, no more stnading room tickets available. All that's left is 3 suites hahaha
At this point I'd rather see them win than get a ticket!! Let's go Nats!!
stubhub.com
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Top Five sporting event moment of my life.
pretty awesome.
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Holy shit. One of the most beautiful moments in sport I can ever remember. Almost moved to tears when I watch the replay of that at bat.
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hell of a game.
zimmermann's inning was one of the most dominant ive ever seen from him (great call on that one, davey), and werth's entire at-bat was a thing of beauty.
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hell of a game.
zimmermann's inning was one of the most dominant ive ever seen from him (great call on that one, davey), and werth's entire at-bat was a thing of beauty.
I was shocked when zimmerman got the call. The bullpen was just incredible.
Werth. I love that big wookie. Ive said this before...Last year in my house we called him Werth-less. Very early on this year we started calling him Werth-ful. I'm so happy he got to be the hero.
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Holy shit. One of the most beautiful moments in sport I can ever remember. Almost moved to tears when I watch the replay of that at bat.
They replayed the radio call of Werth's at-bat as I was driving into work, when he slams it I did get a little teared up. GOOD LORD. I'M SO FIRED UP! I CAN'T WAIT FOR TONIGHT!!
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Holy shit. One of the most beautiful moments in sport I can ever remember. Almost moved to tears when I watch the replay of that at bat.
They replayed the radio call of Werth's at-bat as I was driving into work, when he slams it I did get a little teared up. GOOD LORD. I'M SO FIRED UP! I CAN'T WAIT FOR TONIGHT!!
I heard that too on 106.7 at about 9.
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Chicks dig emotional guys. Though I'm not sure about how much they dig guys that tear up over the fourth and non-deciding games of a divisional baseball series. ;)
Holy shit. One of the most beautiful moments in sport I can ever remember. Almost moved to tears when I watch the replay of that at bat.
They replayed the radio call of Werth's at-bat as I was driving into work, when he slams it I did get a little teared up. GOOD LORD. I'M SO FIRED UP! I CAN'T WAIT FOR TONIGHT!!
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Chicks dig emotional guys. Though I'm not sure about how much they dig guys that tear up over the fourth and non-deciding games of a divisional baseball series. ;)
Holy shit. One of the most beautiful moments in sport I can ever remember. Almost moved to tears when I watch the replay of that at bat.
They replayed the radio call of Werth's at-bat as I was driving into work, when he slams it I did get a little teared up. GOOD LORD. I'M SO FIRED UP! I CAN'T WAIT FOR TONIGHT!!
What do you know about chicks, bro. <- That's a statement
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All I know is my wife probably wouldn't talk to me for a week if I cried over a baseball game. That would be after she stopped laughing at me.
Chicks dig emotional guys. Though I'm not sure about how much they dig guys that tear up over the fourth and non-deciding games of a divisional baseball series. ;)
Holy shit. One of the most beautiful moments in sport I can ever remember. Almost moved to tears when I watch the replay of that at bat.
They replayed the radio call of Werth's at-bat as I was driving into work, when he slams it I did get a little teared up. GOOD LORD. I'M SO FIRED UP! I CAN'T WAIT FOR TONIGHT!!
What do you know about chicks, bro. <- That's a statement
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If my wife did that I'd sock her in the mouth.
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(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y262/kmdobrz/werth2.png)
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oh god..Edwin Jackson.. sweating bullets here..
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i'm going to be sick
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All I know is my wife probably wouldn't talk to me for a week if I cried over a baseball game. That would be after she stopped laughing at me.
i think my wife and i both cried at the ballpark on friday, but i'm trying my hardest to repress the entire night, so not entirely sure.
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Sorry. Heartbreaking loss. Was rooting for the Nationals.
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I supressed my anger/sadness for as long as I could on Friday after the game, I exploded about an hour or so after the game. It was an amazing season, I can't believe we were 1 strike away..... TWICE. Can't wait to be back at the ballpark in the spring. Really was a fun and amazing season though!
The heartbreak did leak through the weekend, even the Redskins win couldn't fully pull me out.
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I was in a daze for most of the weekend after Friday night.
Honestly, I had a bad feeling the entire game, something just didn't seem right.. and then they kept leaking a run here and there and it got worse. Then they brought in Edwin Jackson and I just hung my head. Suzuki pulling one back in the 8th felt good, and you can't ask for anything more than a two run lead and bringing in your closer. I was optimistic, but still didn't feel too good about it for some reason.
Nevertheless, it was awesome up until they lost, absolutely amazing night.
My one take away from the whole game is how quiet 46,000 people can get. When they made the final out and the Cardinals poured out of their dugout onto the field, I swear you could've heard a pin drop. It was unreal. I'd expect that scene to be chaotic and loud and fun, but it was absolutely quiet; like someone pressed mute. Or maybe my brain just shut down for a second.
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Why were you hanging your head when they brought the 11 million dollar man in?
Would you rather have seen him as a pinch runner?
I was in a daze for most of the weekend after Friday night.
Honestly, I had a bad feeling the entire game, something just didn't seem right.. and then they kept leaking a run here and there and it got worse. Then they brought in Edwin Jackson and I just hung my head. Suzuki pulling one back in the 8th felt good, and you can't ask for anything more than a two run lead and bringing in your closer. I was optimistic, but still didn't feel too good about it for some reason.
Nevertheless, it was awesome up until they lost, absolutely amazing night.
My one take away from the whole game is how quiet 46,000 people can get. When they made the final out and the Cardinals poured out of their dugout onto the field, I swear you could've heard a pin drop. It was unreal. I'd expect that scene to be chaotic and loud and fun, but it was absolutely quiet; like someone pressed mute. Or maybe my brain just shut down for a second.
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i'm honestly starting to think you hate the fact that edwin jackson made $11M in a one-year deal because he's black.
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He is?
That's the dumbest, most ignorant, inflammatory post I've read on here is a long time.
i'm honestly starting to think you hate the fact that edwin jackson made $11M in a one-year deal because he's black.
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He is?
That's the dumbest, most ignorant, inflammatory post I've read on here is a long time.
i'm honestly starting to think you hate the fact that edwin jackson made $11M in a one-year deal because he's black.
i'd agree it's definitely one of the three.
stop trolling about the $11M dude. get over it.
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James Ford does not care about black people
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I just don't like guaranteed money paid to people who underperform. All the money the Orioles spent on Brian Roberts makes me puke.
Actually, I'm quite happy that ARod is going to be sucking the Yankee teat so hard for a few more years while underperforming.
James Ford does not care about black people
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James Ford does not care about black people
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i never understood the title of this thread. does the op want to really have the team "break up"?
james ford is good guy. he supports a family. he drinks beer. overworks at a job. runs as a hobby. post on a computer forum, because it is fun . . . and like everybody else, hates people with lots of money.
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I just don't like guaranteed money paid to people who underperform. All the money the Orioles spent on Brian Roberts makes me puke.
Actually, I'm quite happy that ARod is going to be sucking the Yankee teat so hard for a few more years while underperforming.
James Ford does not care about black people
maybe the 20 years of following the red sox has completely skewed my opinion of what fair value is.
but every now and then, you got to pay big bucks to take that next step. edwin ain't it, that's for sure. but it was a low risk signing. he's most definitely not back next year, not at the same rate at least. but he did help elevate this team. he was dependable, he ate innings, and we more or less got what we expected out of him. he had a bad last month, and definitely a forgettable post season.
i think the nats have enough talent to win w/o any additional signings. i'm not sure laroche will be worth what he wants. i think garcia will round out our rotation next year, and we'll be dangerous. but our timetable is short... we only have these guys for low money for 2-3 more years. then we have to start paying guys a lot more than $11M and give them long-term deals to keep them around.
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I just don't like guaranteed money paid to people who underperform. All the money the Orioles spent on Brian Roberts makes me puke.
Actually, I'm quite happy that ARod is going to be sucking the Yankee teat so hard for a few more years while underperforming.
James Ford does not care about black people
Under performing is one thing; being injured is another. I'd say Brian Roberts has had a pretty decent career while playing for a team that was mostly lousy. Then he got hurt and couldn't play.
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At least one of Brian Roberts' concussions was caused by getting angry and hitting himself in the head with a bat.
I don't think his employer should be liable for that kind of stupidity.
I just don't like guaranteed money paid to people who underperform. All the money the Orioles spent on Brian Roberts makes me puke.
Actually, I'm quite happy that ARod is going to be sucking the Yankee teat so hard for a few more years while underperforming.
James Ford does not care about black people
Under performing is one thing; being injured is another. I'd say Brian Roberts has had a pretty decent career while playing for a team that was mostly lousy. Then he got hurt and couldn't play.
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That's the dumbest, most ignorant, inflammatory post I've read on here is a long time.
one might say that he's trolling... kinda shocking, innit? ;D
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I'm sure there are a number of Nats fans out there who would agree that 11 million for Edwin Jackson wasn't the best deal ever. And it doesn't make them a racist or a troll for feeling that way, or for stating their opinion. John Lannan could have put up simliar numbers instead of making 5 million to play in the minors all year.
That's the dumbest, most ignorant, inflammatory post I've read on here is a long time.
one might say that he's trolling... kinda shocking, innit? ;D
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I just don't like guaranteed money paid to people who underperform. All the money the Orioles spent on Brian Roberts makes me puke.
Actually, I'm quite happy that ARod is going to be sucking the Yankee teat so hard for a few more years while underperforming.
James Ford does not care about black people
The vast majority of professional athletes salaries are obscene.
Derek Jeter $16,000,000 for 2012. His batting average is 333, so basically he does what he's paid to do one-thrid of the time he tries.
If any of us were only one-third effective at our job, what do you think we'd get? FIRED!!!
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the problem isn't how much edwin jackson makes.. the problem is he's just not that good
if i had to take out gio (questionable) early and needed a starter i'd have gone with J. Zimmerman over Edwin Jackson any day of the week.
but the bigger problem was the top of the 9th.. you just can't leave a pitcher in there, who clearly doesn't have their stuff, to give up four runs and blow the season for you... sorry. I love Davey but that was a terrible call..
very heartbreakin' end... i don't see any silver lining to being eliminated when you were up 6-0 in a game and a strike away, twice, from winning..sorry.
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No, the real problem is not understanding how the reserve clause, salary arbitration and free agency effect the signability and salary demands of players, especially those represented by Scott Boras.
The Nats gave EJ more money so they didn't have to sign him to a long term deal, which would have been cheaper this year and next, but more taxing in the future - a future Washington thinks is strong when their young pitchers are healthy.
A real mistake is not overpaying for EJ as insurance when your star is coming off Tommy John surgery and the rest of your staff is still Arb eligible, but signing EJ to a long-term deal at $8M this and steadily increasing over the next 6 years, which is what Boras was asking. He was probably worth about $8M this year given his stats and service time, and I don't really know what type of a clubhouse presence he was for the young staff, but it's clear that a one year deal was the way go with EJ, who was .500 and an ERA around 4 before his stint with the Nats, and gave you exactly that, with the possibility that he becomes what he was supposed to be as a rookie.
Would you rather have that at $11M or a 4 year deal with a 33 year old Mark Buehrle at $6M this year and $11M in 2013, $18M in 2014 and $19 in 2015 when he's 37 years old?
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I can't even take seriously the idea that Edwin Jackson is overpaid.. he signed in a free market.. his one year contract was not out of line with industry norms (and baseball is an industry)
I just think he's not very good and am glad he's moving on...
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No, the real problem is not understanding how the reserve clause, salary arbitration and free agency effect the signability and salary demands of players, especially those represented by Scott Boras.
shockingly, EJ dropped Boras this past summer. he had long-term offers, and settled for the one-year deal.
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am glad he's moving on...
You don't know this yet....
shockingly, EJ dropped Boras this past summer. he had long-term offers, and settled for the one-year deal.
This does open the door for staying with Washington, but I think that's a mistake.
And don't overpay for Bourn either. The Halo's will gladly give you Bourjos for some bull pen help.
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am glad he's moving on...
You don't know this yet....
well I always assumed he didn't do well this year so he would not be wanted back but I guess anything could happen..
I have to say you know an amazing amount of stuff about sports..
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i like edwin, so i wouldnt mind him coming back. does seem unlikely though, especially after the playoff appearances didnt go smoothly at all.
wouldnt mind seeing garcia get a shot at the rotation, though his arm might not hold up for a full season as a starter. if not, hopefully he gets a solid bullpen role. he was great towards the end of the regular season
the biggest question is laroche. i'd like the nats to resign him, but i think it'll take a huge deal, in dollars and years, and i don't think it's gonna be worth it. signing him for a longterm deal doesn't make much sense and after the year he had, someone's gonna offer him a contract he can't refuse. he seems like a great presence and a consistent bat, but how likely is it that'll he'll ever match this year's production?
and davey's contract, though it seems like a given that he'll be back. no one would argue that he managed game 5 perfectly, but he did a hell of a job all season, and i cant see this team picking up where they left off if a new manager enters the picture.
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I think when Davey took over for Riggleman his interaction for the rest of that last season was key to knowing what he needed going into an off season after a promising end to last season. I'd love to see what he does during the off season knowing what he can do with his current rotation and bench and improve on that. I'm very excited for spring to come around and to have Stras/Gio/Zim as the start of the rotation. It would be great to have Ejax back, but I wouldn't be too sad if he left. He has said he wants to come back, but don't all athletes say that when they're interviewed?
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the biggest question is laroche. i'd like the nats to resign him, but i think it'll take a huge deal, in dollars and years, and i don't think it's gonna be worth it. signing him for a longterm deal doesn't make much sense and after the year he had, someone's gonna offer him a contract he can't refuse. he seems like a great presence and a consistent bat, but how likely is it that'll he'll ever match this year's production?
The Nats have a team option for LaRoche for 2013. One year, $10 Million. If they don't exercise it, there's a $1 Million buyout and he becomes a free agent.
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but its a mutual option for 2013, so laroche would need to agree to it as well, and i don't really see that happening. he wants more than one year, and he'd be a fool not to test free agency.
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but its a mutual option for 2013, so laroche would need to agree to it as well, and i don't really see that happening. he wants more than one year, and he'd be a fool not to test free agency.
Oh wow. Baseball-reference lists it as a team option (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/larocad01.shtml#contracts). That changes everything. I'm going to have to think about that.
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but its a mutual option for 2013, so laroche would need to agree to it as well, and i don't really see that happening. he wants more than one year, and he'd be a fool not to test free agency.
this is correct.
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but its a mutual option for 2013, so laroche would need to agree to it as well, and i don't really see that happening. he wants more than one year, and he'd be a fool not to test free agency.
this is correct.
The more I think about it, the more I think the Nats should let Baltimore overpay for LaRoche. National League teams should be wary of offensive players wanting long term deals at 32.
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but its a mutual option for 2013, so laroche would need to agree to it as well, and i don't really see that happening. he wants more than one year, and he'd be a fool not to test free agency.
this is correct.
The more I think about it, the more I think the Nats should let Baltimore overpay for LaRoche. National League teams should be wary of offensive players wanting long term deals at 32.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/nationals-laroche-likely-to-decline-mutual-option-explore-free-agency/article/2510712#.UH26RcDGuFQ
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Agreed, and all of the Nats' big "CUT BAIT" decisions (Soriano, Dunn) have worked out pretty well.
Move Morse to 1B and sign a young-ish outfielder, eliminating a big defensive liability in LF. Morse was an average defensive 1B last year. Great defense at 1B is way overrated (see, e.g., Doug Mientkiewicz).
I've vacillated all year on whether to sign a pure CF like they've been talking about for years (moving Harper to LF) or a corner guy who can hit for power (keeping Harper in CF). I think we should probably get a pure leadoff man/CF and move a strong-wristed Werth back into the 5-6 hole.
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this meme has been done to death, but since it's on topic:
Hitler Reacts to Cardinals Beating Nationals in NLDS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0N9LRfP_-c
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From Buster Olney's Blog about offseason decisions for teams:
Washington Nationals: They've opened contract talks with first baseman Adam LaRoche and pitcher Edwin Jackson, but they'll have to pay more than they ever expected to keep both -- or they'll have to find replacements.
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I don't see LaRoche coming back, there's just no way he matches what he did this year, or maybe he goes all Jayson Werth and slumps next year.
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let both of them go.
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letting both of them go makes money available to eventually lock up guys like desmond and zimmermann for relatively cheap. i dont see laroche matching this years numbers, and he's gonna get a massive offer from a whole bunch of teams. id be shocked if hes back next year.
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letting both of them go makes money available to eventually lock up guys like desmond and zimmermann for relatively cheap. i dont see laroche matching this years numbers, and he's gonna get a massive offer from a whole bunch of teams. id be shocked if hes back next year.
i bet somebody stupid like the dodgers offers him a multi-year deal.
both will walk, i'm sure. this team is too talented with young guys to lock up veteran's for big money.
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i bet somebody stupid like the dodgers offers him a multi-year deal.
both will walk, i'm sure. this team is too talented with young guys to lock up veteran's for big money.
I agree with you that both will go but it won't be to the Dodgers. Not with Adrian Gonzalez's deal on the books and they know what's wrong with EJ when they traded him the first time.
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i bet somebody stupid like the dodgers offers him a multi-year deal.
both will walk, i'm sure. this team is too talented with young guys to lock up veteran's for big money.
I agree with you that both will go but it won't be to the Dodgers. Not with Adrian Gonzalez's deal on the books and they know what's wrong with EJ when they traded him the first time.
i think you're discounting how breathtakingly stupid the dodgers are.
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Adam LaRoche wins Golden Glove, Desi denied:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2012/10/30/adam-laroche-wins-first-gold-glove-ian-desmond-denied/
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have people received refunds for their NLCS tickets yet? i'm still waiting. first i'm denied the opportunity to see playoff baseball, now i'm being charged interest on my credit card balance... sweet.
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have people received refunds for their NLCS tickets yet? i'm still waiting. first i'm denied the opportunity to see playoff baseball, now i'm being charged interest on my credit card balance... sweet.
First rule of credit cards is not to keep credit card balance on them... that is like giving away money.
You might want to look into some sources of counseling/advice on how to manage your money... credit scores are important. Don't ever take payday loans, etc..
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In other words Sweetcell don't charge what you can't afford to pay when the bill comes due...they'll take you to the cleaners otherwise.
I'm sorry you're going through tough times...remember you don't have to go to concerts or ballgames you can't afford.
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LOL hutch, yer cute. i don't want to pay the balance on the baseball tickets because i know the refund is coming. if i paid the balance, which i easily could, i would then get the refund at a later point and have a credit (positive balance) on my credit card. it's a stupid thing to do. if they had refunded my tickets in a timely fashion, i wouldn't be carrying any balance.
your condescension and assumptions are appreciated, tho.
back to the question: has anyone received their refund?
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LOL hutch, yer cute. i don't want to pay the balance on the baseball tickets because i know the refund is coming. if i paid the balance, which i easily could, i would then get the refund at a later point and have a credit (positive balance) on my credit card. it's a stupid thing to do. if they had refunded my tickets in a timely fashion, i wouldn't be carrying any balance.
your condescension and assumptions are appreciated, tho.
back to the question: has anyone received their refund?
What is stupid about having a positive balance for a few weeks?
Unless you can't afford it.. in which case we're back where we started: don't buy concert tickets and stuff if you can't afford it.
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credit card debt is no joke brah!!!!!!
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called tickets.com. they have just done refunds for the unplayed wild card game. they will start with NLCS refunds on Nov 1, and should be complete in "3 to 4 weeks at most, probably less than that".
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You have less than 2 minutes to give them your money but once they have it and have to return it they take almost 2 months to get it back to you. Hilarious.
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Don't worry Sweetcell, these are big companies that care about customer service and the happiness of their clients. You should expect a full refund from the ticket company and MLB with interest very soon. It's not like they have a monopoly and can do what they want - they face stiff competition and will do the right thing.
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http://dcist.com/2012/10/nationals_would_like_to_thank_you_f.php
you'll also be out $4.
better start selling those homebrews at 1000% mark-up.
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Don't worry Sweetcell, these are big companies that care about customer service and the happiness of their clients. You should expect a full refund from the ticket company and MLB with interest very soon. It's not like they have a monopoly and can do what they want - they face stiff competition and will do the right thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_American_Association_of_Professional_Baseball
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Denard Span and Dan Haren coming on board and reportedly nearing a deal to bring back LaRoche. I'm liking the offseason thus far.
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Denard Span and Dan Haren coming on board and reportedly nearing a deal to bring back LaRoche. I'm liking the offseason thus far.
Hoya and I have been talking offline about Haren. Make sure he passes his physical before you get too excited.
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Denard Span and Dan Haren coming on board and reportedly nearing a deal to bring back LaRoche. I'm liking the offseason thus far.
Hoya and I have been talking offline about Haren. Make sure he passes his physical before you get too excited.
Physical is on Thursday...but supposedly already passed on for another team. At least that's what he says.
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Denard Span and Dan Haren coming on board and reportedly nearing a deal to bring back LaRoche. I'm liking the offseason thus far.
Excited for Denard Span, not so psyched that we'll likely drop The Beast :\
I mostly like singing A-ha in his later at bats :\
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Physical is on Thursday...but supposedly already passed on for another team. At least that's what he says.
The Angels and Cubs had a deal done about two weeks ago swapping Marmol for Haren pending Haren's physical and Marmol waiving his no-trade clause. It was tweeted that Marmol waived it by his agent.
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Yeah, Haren's back issue does have me a bit concerned. I really don't know what to make of the whole thing - I mean, he's rather durable (8 years running of atleast 30 starts), but it clearly affected him last year.
So yeah, pending him passing the physical I'm excited at the prospect.
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Yeah, Haren's back issue does have me a bit concerned. I really don't know what to make of the whole thing - I mean, he's rather durable (8 years running of atleast 30 starts), but it clearly affected him last year.
So yeah, pending him passing the physical I'm excited at the prospect.
Keep an eye on his right hip too. That may be he piece that worried the Cubs most. If he's healthy (and I don't mean he passes his physical, but avoids the DL next season) he's a steal at $13m, and the Angels offered Haren a one-year deal with an option for a second last week, but he turned it down. The money was apparently nowhere close to the Nationals' $13 million offered him, but if the team that knows him best was giving him an offer, that's a pretty good sign for your team.
Now that it looks like Jacoby Elsbury is available for trade, still like the Denard Span signing?
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Ha, of course I'd rather have Ellsbury over Span, but I'm also a Sox fan, so I'm conflicted and not sure how both the Sox and Nationals could get better in a deal between them.
I think the Sox are going to want a lot for Ellsbury, not sure if Alex Meyer.. and say Anthony Rendon would've gotten it done.. or if Rizzo would've even considered letting Rendon go. Ellsbury I believe has another arbitration year left, so you'd get two years minimum out of him, but he'd cost a lot more than Span who's solid, yet unspectacular.
Ellsbury also sandwiched two years pretty well lost to injury around an AL-MVP -like season so he'd be a bit of a risk to give up two good prospects for and then two arbitration years at 10 and 11 million per year (no idea what he'll get, just guessing).
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Thank you for Burnett. Bullpen was the glaring weakness last year in Anaheim and I LOVE a solid lefty reliever.
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Bummed he's gone :( he did start to struggle towards the end of the year though.
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I like Burnett, and that's a pretty decent deal at 2 yrs / $8m. I think we can do almost as well at a much cheaper price though. I thought Burnett was demanding something more like the Affeldt deal at 3 yrs / $18m.
Are the Angels just cycling through the A's mid-aughts rotation? Is Zito next?
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Are the Angels just cycling through the A's mid-aughts rotation?
You'd be a fool not to look at pitchers drafted by the A's. How's Gio working out for you?
thought Burnett was demanding something more like the Affeldt deal at 3 yrs / $18m.
He probably took a discount to live in a better place. I believe there's an option as well for year 3.
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Haren deal is official.
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Haren deal is official.
I really hope he bounces back. He was so good to watch for so long.
Somebody want to help me decipher this:
"Zack is a curious guy, an intellectual, and he wanted to see what free agency is about. We respected that," Dipoto told Angels reporters. "I wish him the best. Zack is a good person, he works hard, and he's an outstanding pitcher. What he gets, he gets."
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Haren deal is official.
I really hope he bounces back. He was so good to watch for so long.
Somebody want to help me decipher this:
"Zack is a curious guy, an intellectual, and he wanted to see what free agency is about. We respected that," Dipoto told Angels reporters. "I wish him the best. Zack is a good person, he works hard, and he's an outstanding pitcher. What he gets, he gets."
GM as spurned lover. Greinke to the Dodgers.
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GM as spurned lover. Greinke to the Dodgers.
No surprise there. Those were just some weird comments. I think you're right - there was some respect for the Greinke the person in those comments. Zack's always been a little crazy....
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I think it's Dipoto having a little fun. "What he get's, he gets" is probably with a shrug and the thought "nobody is going to outbid the Dodgers, so no reason to be mad about it".
Hard to be upset about losing a pitcher to a team in the same town willing to spend so much on a pitcher who's been traded countless times in the past five years.
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Hard to be upset about losing a pitcher to a team in the same town willing to spend so much on a pitcher who's been traded countless times in the past five years.
My brother in law is a big Dodger fan and my only comment to him was "Glad we didn't spend the money." That's not sour grapes either, I just never know what Arte Moreno is going to do and if he was going to spend $147 million over the next 6 years, I'd like to see it get the Halo's a mid-range starter and some bullpen help.
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From Buster:
The negotiations between Adam LaRoche and the Washington Nationals seem to be reaching a tipping point, and given that LaRoche doesn't have a robust market and that the Nationals have made it clear they want him back, it'd be a surprise if he signed elsewhere.
If another team were to sign LaRoche, they'd have to give up a draft pick -- and that's probably not going to happen for a 33-year-old first baseman. The Nationals want resolution on this soon and have made that clear to LaRoche. If he re-signs, as expected, then Washington's lineup will be very strong
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Isn't he shopping for a 3 year and Nats are offering him 2?
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Isn't he shopping for a 3 year and Nats are offering him 2?
Yes, but no other team has stepped up to offer him 3 years, so it looks like the Nats may get him at 2 years, may have to throw in a mutual option for a third year or something.
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looks like the nats got laroche for 2 years. not sure how much money.
mixed feelings on this, personally. i dont think the nats would have been as good last year without him, but im sad to see morse go.
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looks like the nats got laroche for 2 years. not sure how much money.
mixed feelings on this, personally. i dont think the nats would have been as good last year without him, but im sad to see morse go.
Was bummed to see Morse out last season with the injury, always was a fan of him though. I hope someone else uses A-ha as their walk-up though hahaha
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looks like the nats got laroche for 2 years. not sure how much money.
$10m year one.
$12m year two.
Mutual buy out year 3 for $2m.
Considering they offered him a $13.3m qualifying offer, this is great for the Nats. Probably gives them a top 5 infield. I just hope the player is happy with it.
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but im sad to see morse go.
If you can move him for a quality lefty reliever to replace Burnett, you can keep the nucleus of last years squad with a healthy Strasburg and having added a true lead-off hitter as a defensive center fielder, then I think it's a no brainer to deal Morse.
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but im sad to see morse go.
If you can move him for a quality lefty reliever to replace Burnett, you can keep the nucleus of last years squad with a healthy Strasburg and having added a true lead-off hitter as a defensive center fielder, then I think it's a no brainer to deal Morse.
I was thinking morse could be a good platoon with betemit at dh but evdidently he hits right handers better than left handers. So I don't think he is a good fit with the orioles.
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the only way to evaluate the LaRoche deal is along with the eventual Morse trade and Spann signing:
Spann v. Morse: much better OF defense, fills offensive hole (pure leadoff/OB guy), better contract given developmental plan
LaRoche v. Morse: much better 1B defense, more of an offensive wash: LaRoche gives more balance to the lineup with a lefty power bat, but Morse has a bigger overall upside
I think this is generally the right direction, buuuuut I could also see LaRoche bottoming out and Morse stringing together a few monster years given regular PT ... even if that came to pass I probably wouldn't second guess this.
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the only way to evaluate the LaRoche deal is along with the eventual Morse trade and Spann signing:
No matter what happens with Morse, I think the Nats have to like the LaRoche deal. Remember, it was a mutual option for a $10m one year deal for 2013 that the Nats exercised - they were already planning on spending the $10m on LaRoche for 2013. To counter, they did a tender offer of $13.3 that LaRoche turned down. They're not paying that now either for 2013.
All they really did this morning was extend his contract by one year for $12m and added a cheap option year.
Even if he's not the player in 2013 that he was in 2012 - that contract is tradeable midseason in 2013 and 2014. There is so little risk in this deal that the Nats have to be VERY happy with the way this all played out.
All the Nats fans need to worry about is that the player is happy with what happened.
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yeah thats a much cheaper deal than i expected for laroche. not much to dislike on that front.
i just worry about morse's trade value with his one year remaining, especially now that it's obvious the nats dont have a position for him. like i said, im sad to see him go, so i hope they get a good bullpen arm or two for him.
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Morse to the Yanks possibly? Bye bye hair.
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FROM BUSTER:
Nationals making moves
With the signing of Adam LaRoche to a two-year deal, the Nationals' lineup could look like this:
CF Denard Span
RF Jayson Werth
LF Bryce Harper
3B Ryan Zimmerman
1B Adam LaRoche
SS Ian Desmond
2B Danny Espinosa
C Kurt Suzuki/Wilson Ramos
Plus, they should have a really deep bench, regardless of whether they trade Michael Morse -- and it appears they will deal Morse, who has had three good offensive seasons: .871 OPS in 2010, .910 OPS in 2011 and .791 last year.
What can they expect for Morse? Probably not a lot. He is eligible for free agency next fall, which essentially makes him a one-year rental in 2013, and GMs don't have a lot of enthusiasm for giving up good prospects for a player in that situation. Some GMs say privately that while they like Morse, they can't see surrendering much, given his lack of a natural position and his lengthy injury history. And the Nationals will be hurt by the fact that there are similar players on the market, most notably Jason Kubel.
If some team was interested in an outfielder-DH type of player and the Nationals ask for a lot, the team might simply turn to Arizona to talk about Justin Upton.
The stalemate is over, writes Adam Kilgore. Michael Morse will almost certainly be traded by the Nationals.
The Yankees are interested in Morse, writes Andrew Marchand.
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why trade him unless you're going to get something?
the odds of laroche playing every game or even close are small in my opinion... he's fairly injury prone i thought?
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Pretty sure he played almost every game last year.
I'm more worried about him not being able to top of even reach his offensive output from last year. I don't see a repeat golden glove/silver slugger year. Maybe just the glove though...
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why trade him unless you're going to get something?
the odds of laroche playing every game or even close are small in my opinion... he's fairly injury prone i thought?
To fill a whole - like a left handed reliever.
He's also an expensive backup for being not a natural first baseman at $6.75m.
Add to that the fact that with a two year deal for LaRoche, the Nats aren't likely to resign Morse after this season, they might as well try to get something for him while they can.
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i dont see werth hitting second, but it doesnt seem like a terrible idea either.
is suzuki/ramos really a debate? i thought it was pretty clear that kurt would be the starter next year.
keeping morse as a bench hitter wouldn't be fair to him. not that its out of the question, but id be very surprised if thats what happens
laroche has actually been fairly consistently healthy over his career, with the one season in dc an obvious exception. whether he can keep producing at last years level is another issue
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they should absolutely keep him unless they're going to get something
do we want to win or not?
he can also play outfield i thought?
do not trade him for 2 middling prospects.. if they can get something good they need i'm all for a trade..but these "we're going to lose him anyways, lets trade him for a guy in double a" type trades are ridiculous.
and 6.75 million nowadays seems to get you nothing anyways.
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I see Morse as DH only so the market is american league teams. he is a free agent after this year. So you have that going against you. His OBP was average last year. He gets paid quite a bit for his value. I don't see a team giving up much for him.
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i dont see werth hitting second, but it doesnt seem like a terrible idea either.
is suzuki/ramos really a debate? i thought it was pretty clear that kurt would be the starter next year.
keeping morse as a bench hitter wouldn't be fair to him. not that its out of the question, but id be very surprised if thats what happens
laroche has actually been fairly consistently healthy over his career, with the one season in dc an obvious exception. whether he can keep producing at last years level is another issue
Wasn't Ramos drafted to be the catcher here? Zuke was brought in to help Jesus from getting beaten down for the rest of the season. He was AWESOME in relief and not bad at batting, but I always thought it was Ramos job to keep...
Yanks are lining Boone Logan for Michael Morse. I think the Nats would want more than that for Morse...
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yeah but with his injury i dont think theres any need to rush ramos back as the primary starter. he may still be the catcher of the future but id be really surprised if he's #1 this season.
apparently morse isn't keen on being a dh, but i imagine thats where he'll end up. he's a solid enough outfielder if need be but had almost no range so i dont really see teams being desperate to put him out there.
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He's got a big bat though. I honestly didn't think there'd be so many teams looking at him. Couple more teams in the AL East are looking at him as well.
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Wasn't Ramos drafted to be the catcher here? Zuke was brought in to help Jesus from getting beaten down for the rest of the season. He was AWESOME in relief and not bad at batting, but I always thought it was Ramos job to keep...
Kurt's role is to teach Ramos, and he knows this. Ramos is not ready to be the everyday catcher with that young staff. Kurt's got one more year left on his contract (I doubt they exercise the option for 2014) and when he leaves it's Ramos' job.
Developing a catcher is one of the toughest jobs in baseball. Kurt's got the proper pedigree to do that.
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I wouldn't mind them alternating, it'll be good to see Ramos get back on the field!
Anyone going to Nats Fest? I'm getting tickets this weekend...
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Plus the Marley songs they into him with are the best player into music you're going to get.
Wasn't Ramos drafted to be the catcher here? Zuke was brought in to help Jesus from getting beaten down for the rest of the season. He was AWESOME in relief and not bad at batting, but I always thought it was Ramos job to keep...
Kurt's role is to teach Ramos, and he knows this. Ramos is not ready to be the everyday catcher with that young staff. Kurt's got one more year left on his contract (I doubt they exercise the option for 2014) and when he leaves it's Ramos' job.
Developing a catcher is one of the toughest jobs in baseball. Kurt's got the proper pedigree to do that.
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Soriano. Whoa.
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Drew Storen, Tyler Clippard, Rafael Soriano. Whoa.
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Drew Storen, Tyler Clippard, Rafael Soriano. Whoa.
That's a lot of right arms.
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Soriano. Whoa.
Wow. 2 years, $28 million, vesting option for a third year at 120 appearances for another $14 million. The Nats aren't joking around making their second highest paid player a relief pitcher AND giving up their first round draft pick.
The pundits are going to hate this deal.
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Soriano. Whoa.
Wow. 2 years, $28 million, vesting option for a third year at 120 appearances for another $14 million. The Nats aren't joking around making their second highest paid player a relief pitcher AND giving up their first round draft pick.
The pundits are going to hate this deal.
well what do you think?
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Soriano. Whoa.
Wow. 2 years, $28 million, vesting option for a third year at 120 appearances for another $14 million. The Nats aren't joking around making their second highest paid player a relief pitcher AND giving up their first round draft pick.
The pundits are going to hate this deal.
28th pick in the draft? Rumors are Clip could be dealt to fill out some of the farm system as well.
Clip and Morse go in a double deal? Who knows.
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talk about overpaying for a reliever. way way too much money.
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well what do you think?
First thing I thought was "what's wrong with Burnett?" when I could get their lefty off them for less than half of what they Nats just dropped on one year of Soriano, who would be the third righty in their 7-8-9 bullpen.
Then I thought why didn't they go after Affeldt if they're going to throw that kind of cash around for a 33 year old, and then they could have had a solid lefty and some chump change to throw around.
I next turned to the Dodgers, who likely drove the price on Soriano up, and wondered what they were going to do.
Now I've had a little time to look at it, and I think they overpaid, but they have the cash, Soriano has been consistent and effective throughout 5 of his last 6 seasons, but they still have a glaring hole in their rotation without a solid left handed reliever. Maybe the Morse deal for a lefty is closer than we know.
It's still a lot of cash for a reliever.
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Kilgore of the Post suggested it earlier this month:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2013/01/06/what-about-rafael-soriano/
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Kilgore of the Post suggested it earlier this month:
Sort of. He said if they don't sign LaRoche, then sign Soriano to a ridiculous one-year deal.
Instead they signed LaRoche, and gave Soriano a ridiculous 2-year deal with a 3rd year vesting option based on appearances, not performance.
The one thing he got right: When a preposterously wealthy, 87-year-old man wants to win a World Series, anything could be possible.
This is clearly a move to do just that.
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75 year old Lefty Darren Oliver back to Toronto for $3m.
"In 2012 the southpaw posted a 2.06 ERA and a 52-13 K/BB ratio in 62 appearances, and held lefty bats to a .234 average. But like many of Oliver's seasons, he was even nastier versus right-handed hitters, limiting them to a .196 average and just five extra-base hits last season."
These are the kind of things that make me shake my head about the Soriano deal.
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I don't know how Billy Beane does this shit, but I love it.
Morse back to Seattle (where he came from).
AJ Cole back to the Nats (where he came from in the Gio trade).
And I can only guess the A's got cash?
EDIT: The A's will reportedly also send two prospects to be named later to the Nationals to complete the deal.
Oakland gets catcher John Jaso, presumably to replace Suzuki.
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damn, quite a rapport built lately between rizzo and beane
hate to see morse go, but three prospects isnt a bad return.
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Article on Mike Rizzo and a little look into how he does business...
http://www.federalbaseball.com/2013/1/14/3874236/the-refreshingly-honest-reign-of-washington-nationals-gm-mike-rizzo
Bummed to see The Beast leave. Someone better make A-ha their walk up song! I want baseball here already! ACK! Anyone know when single game tickets are available?
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i still get chills watching take on me rendition from Game 5. loved morse, but he was a pathetic outfielder and injury-prone. even with that said, i'd rather have him than laroche.
getting back AJ Cole is nice. better to get a prospect back that you know something about rather than depend on scouting reports. the next likely suitor, the red sox, don't have many guarantees in there farm system. this at least has a lot of upside.
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I will MISS Morse. What a class act, as evident in the piece below. Great fucking guy. I think he should leave Take On Me to Werth in his Nats will. God I wish we could have kept him.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2013/01/16/michael-morse-on-his-trade-to-the-mariners-and-his-time-with-the-nationals/
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I will MISS Morse. What a class act, as evident in the piece below. Great fucking guy. I think he should leave Take On Me to Werth in his Nats will. God I wish we could have kept him.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2013/01/16/michael-morse-on-his-trade-to-the-mariners-and-his-time-with-the-nationals/
that is class...
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bummer there is no mariners interleague games this year, would be fun to see him come through town.
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bummer there is no mariners interleague games this year, would be fun to see him come through town.
Camden Yards isn't that far away.
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i was thinking more along the lines of morse comes up, and they play take on me and the crowd goes wild. also in this fantasy world i'm creating, he doesn't ever bring it out with seattle.
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Keith Law thinks the Nats did alright:
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The Washington Nationals, Oakland Athletics and Seattle Mariners pulled off a three-team deal Wednesday evening, which featured Michael Morse heading to Seattle, John Jaso going to Oakland, and pitching prospects A.J. Cole, Blake Treinen and a player to be named moving to Washington.
The Nats came out way ahead, the A's made a modest gain, and the M's leave me scratching my head at why they'd ask for change for a five-dollar bill and be happy with three singles.
The Nationals move a player for whom they had no use, and to whom they would have paid $6.75 million just to sit on the bench. The acquisition of Denard Span earlier this winter plus the re-signing of Adam LaRoche put the oft-injured, twice-suspended-for-PEDs Morse on the outside looking in, with one year left until he was due to hit free agency.
For one year of Morse's services, they reacquired right-handers Cole and Treinen, as well as a player to be named. Cole started the year in the high Class A California League and was so bad that the A's demoted him to the low Class A Midwest League, which he dominated for the second year in a row; he struggled with his arm slot earlier in the year, dropping down and losing some velocity as a result, but was better in the second half.
Treinen has a live arm but has some history of injuries dating back to his days at South Dakota State, and probably projects better in the bullpen given the lack of life on his fastball. He did finish in relief in high-A after scuffling as a starter earlier in 2012, throwing more than enough strikes but giving up too much hard contact. The Nats' farm system was nearly wiped out after a series of trades, a couple of promotions, and a 2012 draft that put most of the team's eggs in one (very good) basket, so this is a nice depth-building move for a player who didn't fit their roster any longer.
(Incidentally, readers asked for my thoughts on their deal with Rafael Soriano; he's a very good short reliever, but $14 million for a reliever who's never been worth more than 2 WAR and probably can't hold up for 70 innings a year is way too steep. I also wouldn't give up the 31st overall pick, as the Nats did, to sign a reliever, especially since their pen was already a strength. But Soriano is pretty low-risk as relievers go, at least in terms of performance on the field.)
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The rest of the article says the A's did alright and that the Mariners made a horrible deal (gave up three years of Jaso for one season of Morse).
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Spring Training tickets on sale. When do single game tickets go on sale! Gah!
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espinosa's having quite an offseason
(http://i.imgur.com/WvBG18n.jpg)
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espinosa's having quite an offseason
Smokin.
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espinosa's having quite an offseason
Smokin.
Indeed. That's one fine beard.
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THAT is some of the best offseason news I've.... seen. Wow. I hope to see that thing at Nats Fest tomorrow!
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Indeed. That's one fine beard.
Hand placement is key.
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I always knew he had it in him, looked like he could work up a 5 o'clock shadow a few minutes after shaving.
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'Nearly 5,000 fans gathered for the team's NatsFest.' Pretty weak crowd for a really good team.
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GO BRAVES
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'Nearly 5,000 fans gathered for the team's NatsFest.' Pretty weak crowd for a really good team.
There had to be way more than that. The place was jam-packed full of people. You could barely move at times. I saw other estimates of 7,000+. There was a great turnout.
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'Nearly 5,000 fans gathered for the team's NatsFest.' Pretty weak crowd for a really good team.
There had to be way more than that. The place was jam-packed full of people. You could barely move at times. I saw other estimates of 7,000+. There was a great turnout.
There was a SHIT load of people early on, we got there right around 12:15 or so and the line was super long to get in then all 3 floors were packed, it did die down around 3ish and it was a lot easier to move around. I got this amazing picture of Espi:
http://instagram.com/p/U9vIbcuGgw/
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Gio's on the list, though he denies it. His father was supposedly there for weight loss...
There's also the curious case of Gio Gonzalez, the 27-year-old, Hialeah-native, left-handed hurler who won 21 games last year for the Washington Nationals. Gonzalez's name appears five times in Bosch's notebooks, including a specific note in the 2012 book reading, "Order 1.c.1 with Zinc/MIC/... and Aminorip. For Gio and charge $1,000." (Aminorip is a muscle-building protein.)
Gonzalez's father, Max, also appears on Bosch's client lists and is often listed in conjunction with the pitcher. But reached by phone, the Hialeah resident insists his son has had no contact with Bosch.
"My son works very, very hard, and he's as clean as apple pie," the elder Gonzalez says. "I went to Tony because I needed to lose weight. A friend recommended him, and he did great work for me. But that's it. He never met my son. Never. And if I knew he was doing these things with steroids, do you think I'd be dumb enough to go there?"
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2013-01-31/news/a-rod-and-doping-a-miami-clinic-supplies-drugs-to-sports-biggest-names/full/
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Hearing possible 50 game suspensions for A-Rod, nothing for Gio as of yet... Both have released statements denying it... Oof.
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seems like both of the substances gio is listed with aren't even banned, unless ive read a bunch of wrong articles
i just hope his no contact with bosch statement doesnt come around to bite him in the ass. if he did have something to do with bosch, even if it was legal stuff, lying about it wont look good
edit: 50 game suspension could theoretically end a-rod's career, if he has to serve it after he comes back from the DL this year
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double post
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Hearing possible 50 game suspensions for A-Rod, nothing for Gio as of yet... Both have released statements denying it... Oof.
Yankees might luck out and be allowed to void his contract.
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Oh wow. 5 years, 114 million? Nice chunk of change to get rid of.
I was reading somewhere that Gio's name is listed under/near products that aren't banned by the MLB?
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Oh wow. 5 years, 114 million? Nice chunk of change to get rid of.
I was reading somewhere that Gio's name is listed under/near products that aren't banned by the MLB?
seems like the case thus far. still more investigation to come from the league.
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I was reading somewhere that Gio's name is listed under/near products that aren't banned by the MLB?
seems like the case thus far. still more investigation to come from the league.
I can play the part of devil's advocate....
Gio doesn't strike me as someone who needed weight loss injections, or needed to administer them himself.
MIC is a weight loss shot and aminorip is a protein supplement. One could argue that he was trying to replace fat with muscle using the protein, but at 6'0 200 lbs it raises an eyebrow.
Add to that the fact that MIC is about $40 a shot and Aminorip is $40 per 30oz bottle, that's a lot of shots and aminorip at $1000.
5 entries and you've got a bit of a head scratcher that MLB will be investigating.
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Did I hear something about his dad having something to do with this? I know his dad came out and said his son doesn't use blah blah, but did I hear somewhere that his dad went to this doctor?
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Did I hear something about his dad having something to do with this? I know his dad came out and said his son doesn't use blah blah, but did I hear somewhere that his dad went to this doctor?
The story they are putting out there is that Gio's dad visited this Dr for help losing weight. The more I hear the less I believe this story.
If it's any consolation, Gonzalez Sr. says he got good results with the weight loss.
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:( got my fingers crossed
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2013/01/30/gio-gonzalez-connected-to-miami-strength-coach-jimmy-goins-also-named-in-clinic-report/
I'm predicting a suspension. These thing never wind up at a dead end.
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I was reading somewhere that Gio's name is listed under/near products that aren't banned by the MLB?
seems like the case thus far. still more investigation to come from the league.
I can play the part of devil's advocate....
Gio doesn't strike me as someone who needed weight loss injections, or needed to administer them himself.
MIC is a weight loss shot and aminorip is a protein supplement. One could argue that he was trying to replace fat with muscle using the protein, but at 6'0 200 lbs it raises an eyebrow.
Add to that the fact that MIC is about $40 a shot and Aminorip is $40 per 30oz bottle, that's a lot of shots and aminorip at $1000.
5 entries and you've got a bit of a head scratcher that MLB will be investigating.
stop talking sense.
Did I hear something about his dad having something to do with this? I know his dad came out and said his son doesn't use blah blah, but did I hear somewhere that his dad went to this doctor?
The story they are putting out there is that Gio's dad visited this Dr for help losing weight. The more I hear the less I believe this story.
If it's any consolation, Gonzalez Sr. says he got good results with the weight loss.
i have to admit, the father alibi is kind of fantastic. "no you guys, it wasn't me! here, talk to my father, he can tell you all about how i'm innocent."
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A few years ago a few Caps were linked to a chiropractor that was dabbling in steroids or something along those lines....that turned out to be nothing. I'm hoping this goes nowhere as well, but right now I think there's about an 80% chance Gio gets dinged for this.
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stop talking sense.
Sorry, I get a little loopy when I get the pink creme in me.
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Keith Law ranked their farm system 21st:
"I love their top five prospects. There's a bottomless crevasse somewhere not far after that."
Baltimore was 13, Anaheim dead last:
"When you don't pick until the third round and then trade three prospects for Zack Greinke, this is something of an inevitable consequence."
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stop talking sense.
Sorry, I get a little loopy when I get the pink creme in me.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8904906/daring-ask-ped-question
good article, kind of the same track you were taking.
<insert obligatory fuck bill simmons line>
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Single game tickets go on sale Feb 28th! I'm aiming to go to the home opener and then the next weekend against the Barves and hopefully get my hands on another bobble head muahahaha
PITCHERS AND CATHERS REPORT!!!
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gio wrongly linked to banned substances.
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8963926/documents-south-florida-clinic-heart-mlb-performance-enhancing-drugs-investigation-link-five-baseball-players
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http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/was/ticketing/insider_presale.jsp?partnerId=ed-6769531-553574240
Virtual Waiting Room!! It's like October all over again.
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Don't remind me of October :( at least this time there are 82 games to choose from and the pre-sale is until Monday.
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No $10 seats vs. Orioles this year like there was last year. Boo.
http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/was/ticketing/insider_presale.jsp?partnerId=ed-6769531-553574240
Virtual Waiting Room!! It's like October all over again.
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yeah, brutal. snagged opening day tickets though - section 242. not so stoked about the price raise for opening day, but whatever.
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Yeah, I got nosebleeds in 232 for opening day. stubhub market will be volatile this early, but the cheapest pairs are around $60 each right now.
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everyone else getting "high transaction" errors for the last 10 mins or so?
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woof, 232. nosebleeds indeed.
i'm a fan of centerfield bleachers. it's a cool perspective to watch the game behind the pitcher.
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My friend said he can get us tickets, but I'm debating just trying to buy a pair of Opening Day tickets anyway. I could probably sell them to a friend or something if my bud comes through. Still having problems getting through?
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Sucks that prices went up, but they can't be cheap forever! How do the standing room tickets jump from 5 to 20 though? Any who, will be there for Opening Day AND Bobblhead day against the Barves woooooooooooo!!!! Got the day off and everything! yessssssssss
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SRO ticket buyers meet Raphael Soriano. Raphael meet SRO ticket buyers.
Sucks that prices went up, but they can't be cheap forever! How do the standing room tickets jump from 5 to 20 though? Any who, will be there for Opening Day AND Bobblhead day against the Barves woooooooooooo!!!! Got the day off and everything! yessssssssss
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SRO ticket buyers meet Raphael Soriano. Raphael meet SRO ticket buyers.
Sucks that prices went up, but they can't be cheap forever! How do the standing room tickets jump from 5 to 20 though? Any who, will be there for Opening Day AND Bobblhead day against the Barves woooooooooooo!!!! Got the day off and everything! yessssssssss
looks like we can transition our disagreement of edwin jackson's contract worth last year to an agreement on soriano's contract worth this year.
if you didn't know, edwin got 4 years, 52 million w/ the cubs.
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looks like we can transition our disagreement of edwin jackson's contract worth last year to an agreement on soriano's contract worth this year.
That reminds me, I should update the Soriano contract. He deferred a portion of the money (let's call it retirement planning) so he's actually making $7 million this year and next, with an option for $14m for 2015 based on appearances (120) which neither party thinks will happen.
While that seems good for today, he will be owed $14m, paid as an annuity from 2018-2025. If I'm still alive, I will be making the joke "Don't forget, you're still paying Soriano $2m this year" to which you will either cringe or say "he was worth every penny."
This makes it a very smart deal for the Nat's. And the new Jackson deal is a horrible one for the Cubs, except they didn't have to concede a draft pick while they rebuild.
So let's not blame Soriano for the ticket prices. That is still the "Jayson Werth" tax.
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Fine by me. The outfield is a shorter distance to throw your coins to than the pitchers mound anyway, if you're in SRO.
I think ALL their salaries are fucking disgusting anyway. Really have to hold my nose when i go to a game once or twice a year.
So let's not blame Soriano for the ticket prices. That is still the "Jayson Werth" tax.
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looks like we can transition our disagreement of edwin jackson's contract worth last year to an agreement on soriano's contract worth this year.
That reminds me, I should update the Soriano contract. He deferred a portion of the money (let's call it retirement planning) so he's actually making $7 million this year and next, with an option for $14m for 2015 based on appearances (120) which neither party thinks will happen.
While that seems good for today, he will be owed $14m, paid as an annuity from 2018-2025. If I'm still alive, I will be making the joke "Don't forget, you're still paying Soriano $2m this year" to which you will either cringe or say "he was worth every penny."
This makes it a very smart deal for the Nat's. And the new Jackson deal is a horrible one for the Cubs, except they didn't have to concede a draft pick while they rebuild.
So let's not blame Soriano for the ticket prices. That is still the "Jayson Werth" tax.
not sure i follow. why smart deal for the nats? his lucrative contract will still be brought up and questioned at any sign of failure. i don't think any reliever could fullfill expectations of $14m a year.
and i'm not too worried about nats tickets. we still are not a baseball town, and i fully expect to attend 20+ games again and pay no more than $10 each time.
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While that seems good for today, he will be owed $14m, paid as an annuity from 2018-2025. If I'm still alive, I will be making the joke "Don't forget, you're still paying Soriano $2m this year" to which you will either cringe or say "he was worth every penny."
it's the bobby bonilla deal
isn't albert belle still on the oriole's roster?
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not sure i follow. why smart deal for the nats? his lucrative contract will still be brought up and questioned at any sign of failure. i don't think any reliever could fullfill expectations of $14m a year.
Because it frees up $7m a year to be used while you actually have the player, instead of of locking down the $7m in his contract. You're not technically overpaying him at $7m (he's a strong reliever at $7m) like I argued you were at $14m per year.
By putting off the payments until 2018, after Werth retires, both Zimm's have moved on, along with Strasburg and Harper, who cashed out in free agency and went to big market teams, that $2m owed each year Soriano in 2018-2025 will be nothing.
It's a win-it-all now strategy, pay for it all later. And I like it.
isn't albert belle still on the oriole's roster?
Funny.
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Buster:
? Ryan Zimmerman is killing the ball as a DH, and is in no rush to play third base. Given how good Anthony Rendon has looked this spring, I do wonder if the Nationals will soon come face to face with the timing of the decision they eventually will have to make about shifting Zimmerman from third to first and trading Adam LaRoche -- perhaps next winter.
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LaRoche was signed for 2 or 3 years? We'll see how he performs this year... I don't think he has another Golden Glove AND Silver Slugger year...
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not nationals related, but need advice for fantasy keeper league decisions.
keep cueto or greinke?
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LaRoche was signed for 2 or 3 years? We'll see how he performs this year... I don't think he has another Golden Glove AND Silver Slugger year...
2 and a mutual 3rd option i believe?
but the way rendon's looking im starting to wish it was 1 with a mutual option for a 2nd
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$10m year one.
$12m year two.
Mutual buy out year 3 for $2m.
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Opening Day is so close, I can smell the fresh-cut grass!
I have two extra tickets for the very sold out Opening Day game, Section 232 Row X, selling for face+fees, PM me if you're interested.
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So stoked! Will be there, I think out seats are in the 300s.... Will be there then making my way down to the Verizon Center for Monday Night Raw! SO MUCH DRINKING!
Bobblehead class of 2013: Gio, Bam Bam, Davey
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fuck yeah! i'll be there.
section 242, row L
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So stoked! Will be there, I think out seats are in the 300s.... Will be there then making my way down to the Verizon Center for Monday Night Raw! SO MUCH DRINKING!
Bobblehead class of 2013: Gio, Bam Bam, Davey
no Taft? L A M E. I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to complete his presidential bobblehead set.
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Maybe for the Fantastic FANale?
I only have a Desi one. I had to deal with an onslaught of Phillies fans for that little dude.
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I have Monday off just to watch Baseball. All day.
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I'm in for the exhibition game Friday and Opening Day. Sec. 308 Friday. 132 Monday.
(oops - wrong section for Opening Day. Fixed.)
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Was there for Opening Day. So much fun. Too bad it went from sun shine to extra cloudy and windy and rainy in about the 5th inning. I was in my shirt and shorts, my friend took my hoodie. I was freezing. We ran down to the concourse to get away from the wind and rain just before the 8th and watched the rest on the TVs. Bam Bam already has 2 homers under his belt this season? Oh my goodness.
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Beer
http://www.dcbeer.com/news/home-run-double-strikeout-craft-beer-guide-nationals-stadium
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Watching the most exciting Nats game. most exciting game theis year. Reds tie it up.
And bam, without any notice, station cuts to two hour pregame coverage of college basketball.
BULLSHIT.
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Yeah, I was sitting on Twitter and the people watching on CBS freaked out. Way to screw the pooch. That game was awesome. Way more awesome than the other 2. Fridays game was just sad. Nats showing they're still a young team. Super frustrating to watch that. Hopefully they can bounce back.
Also, I hate the Great American Ball Park. Fuck that place.
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Nats showing they're still a young team. Super frustrating to watch that. Hopefully they can bounce back.
trade em all.
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FIRE BRUCE!!
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Should this go in the Orioles thread or the Nationals?
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/matrix-major-league-baseball-owners-asshole
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Weird, millionaires are assholes.
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werth's AB music is something to admire this week.
1st AB) Walking Dead Main Theme
2nd AB) Dave Matthews Band - Warehouse (Live) (aka the "Woo! song from the Caps games)
3rd AB) Warren Zwvon - Werewolves of London
4th AB) Game of Thrones main theme
(stolen from dcist)
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(http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/files/2013/04/werthgot413b.jpg)
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Anybody else think this guy is the biggest douche on the DC sports scene (especially since the Wizards traded away their gaggle of douches)?
Running around in his "I just gotta be me because I'm a unique individual" big beard look that has become so tired and cloned?
Thank god the Orioles don't allow big beards and mullets on their team.
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/files/2013/04/werthgot413b.jpg)
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Rizzo has a semi-strict facial hair policy. He was talking about Espi and Werth's beards during spring training and how long Werths hair had gotten. I think it's more him taking a lead role in the locker room. I don't think he's a douche at all. It's a different look lol. I think that's why Bam Bam also grew his beard out.
Jayson Werth is the man.
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I'll take a quiet intense guy who gets the job done like Strasburg over a showy fool like Werth any day.
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How exactly is he showy, other than having a beard? Which I don't really constitute as being "showy", btw. Bam Bam has a beard, Espi has a beard, Desi had a ridiculous mustache..
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It's the mullet and beard combination, I reckon. Looks like he's straight out of some horrible 90's alt-rock band.
I have no idea who Bam Bam is.
And I never said that Werth had cornered the market on looking stupid.
How exactly is he showy, other than having a beard? Which I don't really constitute as being "showy", btw. Bam Bam has a beard, Espi has a beard, Desi had a ridiculous mustache..
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He doesn't have a mullet, just long raggidy hair. But to each their own. If you want us to look like the Yankees I guess that's fine.
Bam Bam = Bryce Harper
{nicknamed by Werth after he slammed his bat into a wall, the bat breaking, hitting him in the face and cutting him on the forhead}
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Can we get walky to weigh in on his preferred looks of a baseball player?
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Looking forward to this Barves series. Gonna be 2 rams bucking into each other all weekend. I'll be there on Saturday, hopefully with my Gio bobblehead in hand.
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Seems like Dum Dum would have been more appropriate!
He doesn't have a mullet, just long raggidy hair. But to each their own. If you want us to look like the Yankees I guess that's fine.
Bam Bam = Bryce Harper
{nicknamed by Werth after he slammed his bat into a wall, the bat breaking, hitting him in the face and cutting him on the forhead}
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You probably would have hated Werth even more if that was the nickname.
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Went to the games on Friday night and Saturday afternoon. Friday night got bad towards the end as fans started filing out and you could hear the Barves fans doing their stupid chant. I booed them loudly and screamed "LET"S GO NATS" and finally got our section doing the same. I hate Barves and their fans so much. I thought there was a bunch of people there on Saturday, then they announced about halfway through that the game was a sell out, just over 42,000. While I enjoy my Gio bobblehead, a win or 2 or 3 would have been great.
Seeing the bats fall silent was bad enough, Wilson Ramos and Danny Espinosa going down was just salt in the wound. Danny is also out tonight, I believe...
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That's one damn good Braves team.
What they do with Gattis when McCann comes back will be interesting, or what they do with Laird I should say.
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he was playing OF in spring training, wasn't he?
dude is a beast.
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I'll bet you enjoyed that Gio bobblehead!
Went to the games on Friday night and Saturday afternoon. Friday night got bad towards the end as fans started filing out and you could hear the Barves fans doing their stupid chant. I booed them loudly and screamed "LET"S GO NATS" and finally got our section doing the same. I hate Barves and their fans so much. I thought there was a bunch of people there on Saturday, then they announced about halfway through that the game was a sell out, just over 42,000. While I enjoy my Gio bobblehead, a win or 2 or 3 would have been great.
Seeing the bats fall silent was bad enough, Wilson Ramos and Danny Espinosa going down was just salt in the wound. Danny is also out tonight, I believe...
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he was playing OF in spring training, wasn't he?
dude is a beast.
Are they going to sit one of the Upton brothers or Heyward for him? I doubt it.
Freeman is on the DL so maybe one of them can play first....
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i could see some day offs here and there for the OF, and mccann's health seems to be getting worse and worse... he was injured practically all of last year.
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Too bad they can't play the Marlins more often.
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Too bad they can't play the Marlins more often.
I was going to post that last week, but knew I would take more crap because Anaheim was struggling too so I passed.
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Since sweeping the White Sox they've gone 3-10 or something?
Last year I think the youth got to this team and they didn't know how to keep calm and continue playing. THis year I think it's the same thing. If the bats fell silent last year, the pitching picked them up, if the pitching was off last year, it was the bats that picked them up. Stras was the stopper last year, this year it seems no one has stepped up to slam the door. It's frustrating to watch.
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detwiler's the only above average pitcher on the rotation this year and he cant even get a win
he and stammen seem like the only ones not getting lit up every time they go to the mound
then offensively its pretty much harper and thats it.
team looks average at best. it's early and the braves will cool off, but davey needs to kick some asses here or theyre gonna dig too deep a hole.
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I was at Det's last 2 starts, it's a shame he pitched I think 6 or 7 innings against the Barves allowing 1 run and the bullpen let him down. Stras started shakey last night but settled in. His struggles in the first inning have been insane. Davey said he's switching around the line-up today. I believe Lombo will be starting at 3rd for Rendon tonight... We'll see if that's true and what other shake-ups are coming.
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i dont really agree with sitting rendon. wasnt he brought up (and will be sent back when zim returns) to play? i do support getting lombo some at bats though. if any infielder should take a seat to let that happen its danny. i feel bad for the guy and hes not the only offender, but he doesnt belong in an everyday lineup right now.
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I agree. He goes through too many slumps and I guess he hasn't really had a hot streak since the beginning of the season. I thought it was also odd that Rendon was sat down, but I think he's only gone 1-13 in his first couple of at-bats.... Not to mention the couple of errors in those games. I trust Davey. Even though people are already calling for his head lol. Come on, folks.
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rendon should not be sitting... you gotta stick with your top prospects in situations like this. it's april, and sitting him reeks of panic from davey.
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i guess davey's reasoning re: danny/lombo is that when danny's on hes got great power, but his slumps are just brutal. more than enough to cancel out the flashes of power. lombo's not an amazing player but he's solid and never as bad as danny's been lately. they could use his bat in the lineup more often.
i like that davey sticks with slumping players (its true, you cant work it out on the bench), but at a certain point enough is enough. especially when you choose to sit a prospect making his big league debut instead.
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It could be worse.
You could be facing your division rival and pitching the likes of Mike Roth, David Carpenter, Nick Maronde and Mike Kohn against them.
If those names aren't familiar to you, don't feel badly. I watch the Halo's every f'in night and couldn't tell you who the hell they are. Smackie threw so much sh!t across the room last night that his dog, who's been diagnosed with attachment/dependency issues left the room...
The Nats problems are fixable with a little focus. Anaheim's pitching woes are chronic.
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holy fuck that sounds atrocious.
at least you got rid of lackey years ago. my first love (the sox) has had to deal with that shit bag for the past three.
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Espinosa's off to a great start tonight. Guess it's good you guys don't manage the Nats.
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Missed the game last night, thought they were going to get thumped, chose Xbox and the Caps game on delay. Got the notice on my phone at the end of the game saying 8-1 but it took me a minute to realize it was the Nats that won. Hope they can keep the bats alive tonight!
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I've thought for a long time that Davey Johnson is one of the game's best managers...that doesn't mean his teams are going to win all the time or that he won't make mistakes...
I'd like to see him keep the job as long as he wants it...my guess is it ain't going to be too long anyways....
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Espinosa's off to a great start tonight. Guess it's good you guys don't manage the Nats.
meh - i still stand by my position. you don't fuck with your top prospects head.
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I'd like to see him keep the job as long as he wants it...my guess is it ain't going to be too long anyways....
he has already announced his retirement after this season.
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Espinosa's off to a great start tonight. Guess it's good you guys don't manage the Nats.
meh - i still stand by my position. you don't fuck with your top prospects head.
They brought him up because Zim is out...
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maybe i'm overreacting.
i just dont like the idea of sitting prospects. you send him back down a few weeks later, after a failed major league experience where your manager sat you in favor a utility man who could have easily subbed in for the struggling 2b.
it's not his time, yeah, but if you don't plan on playing him every day, dont bring him up.
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I'll take it that Davey saw something else, last year he played a couple people through long slumps. There has to be something that just isn't coming up to us.
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Watching O's/M's I noticed that Morse is still using 'Take on Me' as his song in Seattle.
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He said last year he was taking it with him. They still play it at Nats games during the 7th inning stretch.
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(http://blogsurface.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/harper.gif)
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zimmermann, nats ace.
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zimmermann, nats ace.
The guy is so lights out right now it's not even funny
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zimmermann, nats ace.
The guy is so lights out right now it's not even funny
He is a monster. He was a monster last year but didn't get the run support. Hopefully Haren rights his ship tonight. The offense is still completely anemic.
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so what is up with laroche?
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Going to see the Nats play at PNC this Saturday! Wearing my O's hat, but I'll be cheering for the Nats...
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so what is up with laroche?
it seems like half the team stopped taking PEDs.
but seriously, i don't know. he's never been a career clean-up hitter, last year was a bit of an anomaly. but something definitely seems strange.
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In his career (750+ at bats), LaRoche is a .212/.305/.389 hitter in April. (And only slightly better in May.) Last year was the year to ask "what's going on?" not this year.
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Even still, dude is ice cold.
D Span, Bam Bam and Desi can't do everything...
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Still waiting to see the lineup for tonight
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Barves fans and Rangers fans were pretty salty last night.
Caps and Nats win 3-1? I like this. I didn't watch the game last night due to Caps] but we were flipping back and forth during intermission and commercial breaks. Glad Dan Haren made it 8 innings!
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Haren looked exceptional, and Soriano is really fitting in nice as closer.
laroche looked on last night. his double was a laser, and just missed being a HR by maybe 2 ft.
once this offense gets going (last april they were slow, too), they are going to be dangerous. denard span addition makes this line-up insanely dangerous.
also, a plus of laroche's slump - desmond in the 5 spot, where he belongs IMO.
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I have had such a fun time watching Denard Span in a Nats uniform. That dude is an on base MACHINE! He's also awesome in center field. Just hope the bats heat up and everyone gets healthy and back in the line-up.
Also looks like Rendon is headed back to Double A ball.
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yep. the biggest stat brought up with the morse/span trade was WAR, which span had a significant upside compared to morse. it's already showing - we dont win last night w/o span.
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If tonight gets rained out, will there be a double header tomorrow? Are they also going to be screwing everyone out of their money if they can't make the make-up games? lol
I got tickets for Friday against the Cubbies and rains in the forecast...
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no rain in the forecast for Friday
If tonight gets rained out, will there be a double header tomorrow? Are they also going to be screwing everyone out of their money if they can't make the make-up games? lol
I got tickets for Friday against the Cubbies and rains in the forecast...
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'According to the team, season ticket holders who had tickets for Tuesday?s game will automatically have their card activated for Thursday?s game.
There will be no refunds or exchanges for later games, which represents departure in team policy that a Nationals spokesperson attributed to ?higher demand and less capacity.?'
Bullshit move Nats.
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not the case anymore:
http://curlyw.mlblogs.com/2013/05/08/statement-from-the-nationals/?partnerId=as_was_20130508_7819154
i didnt have tickets so ive got no stake in this, but im glad they (belatedly) came to their senses here
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The PR office was clearly not consulted by the ticket office when the first announcement went out, then they took over quickly.
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That was quick.
Started watching the game after the Caps last night, another solid outing for Raf. Dude is solid. Hope we can get the win today...............................if the rain stops.
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I fought the wall and the wall won.
(http://www.diehardsport.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/harperinjury.gif)
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11 stitches to the chin. Was he forced to shave the ugly beard?
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Ouch! I heard about that on the drive into work, had not seen it though. At least they won! And if I heard correctly he should be in the line-up tonight...
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Trout catches that, makes it look easy, and doesn't miss the next game.
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Trout catches that, makes it look easy, and doesn't miss the next game.
yawn. he's not the only person to hit that wall.
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yawn.
You're right, this would have been a much better post:
(http://www.diehardsport.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/harperinjury.gif)
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/social/Trout-color-catch.gif)
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Padded wall vs plexiglass wall........ 2 totally different catches in 2 totally different ballparks.
Not to mention ONE WALL IS PADDED AND THE OTHER HAS FUCKING PLEXIGLASS AROUND IT.
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really smackie that was beneath your usual standards for posts... :D
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2 totally different catches
Actually, there was only one catch. The other one ended up being a triple.
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really smackie that was beneath your usual standards for posts... :D
Was the last one better?
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Man that gif is even more painful than the one of the caps I posted the other day. Trout is for sure a more seasoned and better fielder than Harper. But Bryce is having a better year at the plate thus far. He's closing the gap of late though.
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He's closing the gap of late though.
Trout is back in his natural Center Field, with Peter Bourjos on the DL. I'm not saying it's making a difference offensively, but the coincidence of his rebound at the plate is hard to ignore.
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He's closing the gap of late though.
Trout is back in his natural Center Field, with Peter Bourjos on the DL. I'm not saying it's making a difference offensively, but the coincidence of his rebound at the plate is hard to ignore.
I'm ignoring it pretty easily.
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really smackie that was beneath your usual standards for posts... :D
Was the last one better?
I don't follow your posts on a post by post basis but usually, and sometimes unfortunately, you know what you're talking about...
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He's closing the gap of late though.
Trout is back in his natural Center Field, with Peter Bourjos on the DL. I'm not saying it's making a difference offensively, but the coincidence of his rebound at the plate is hard to ignore.
Bryce has been slumping a bit, but has been banged up even before he lost the wall fight. He'll turn it back around soon I'm sure. Also not playing in his normal position.
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Eh, I'll take Machado.
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Eh, I'll take Machado.
Meh.
Almost the entire team was slumping except for Bam Bam. He's been the most consistent on the offensive side. Over the past 2 weeks or so the rest of the team has stepped up a bit and he's been in a little slump, I would have been worried if the rest of the line-up was still anemic. He'll be fine. He proved last year he can play through a slump.
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Eh, I'll take Machado.
Sorry, this conversation is about ROY winners only.
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Eh, I'll take Machado.
Meh.
Almost the entire team was slumping except for Bam Bam. He's been the most consistent on the offensive side. Over the past 2 weeks or so the rest of the team has stepped up a bit and he's been in a little slump, I would have been worried if the rest of the line-up was still anemic. He'll be fine. He proved last year he can play through a slump.
Nats have scored 3 or less runs in 8 of their last 13 games. Sadly for them, that actually is stepping it up a bit.
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Eh, I'll take Machado.
Sorry, this conversation is about ROY winners only.
As Mark McGwire said - 'I'm not here to talk about the past.'
Current WAR:
Machado 2.3
Trout 2.3
Harper 1.7
This story has a lot of time to be played out.
And 'Bam Bam'? What, like Bam Bam into the wall?
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Exactly. I think Desi or Werth started calling him Bam Bam after he slammed his bat into a wall in the dugout and the bat broke and smacked him right in the face.
So, yeah, the name is making fun of him, but he embraced it being the rook and all.
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Current WAR:
Machado 2.3
Trout 2.3
Harper 1.7
This story has a lot of time to be played out.
K8 and I were talking about this over the twitters last weekend when Duquette said they're identical through their first service time. (http://www.masnsports.com/steve_melewski/2013/05/a-stat-comparison-that-shows-manny-machado-ahead-of-harper-and-trout.html)
I agreed that statistically that's correct, but pointed out that most folks compare Trout and Harper from their call up date (May 2012), not Trout's platoon in 2011, which paints a much different picture.
But the real difference is Machado's lack of running ability. He's not going to score the runs and he's not going to steal the bases. Contrast that with the fact that he plays a hot corner and not an outfield position, and maybe that's a fair trade off (especially in Anaheim where replacing Troy Glaus has been a decade of futility).
They are the three best young players in the league.
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A shame...being west coast AL team we never see much of Trout out here.
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A shame...being west coast AL team we never see much of Trout out here.
Agreed.
I'd like their to be 2 big dudes like that in the MLB or NL I guess for the Nats. Something like Ovi/Crysby, not recently of course. With Crosbys injuries and Ovis solemn play the past 2 years. You get what I'm saying.
Even against the O's, only play them 4 times in 4 days this year. Kind of a jip!
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But the real difference is Machado's lack of running ability. He's not going to score the runs and he's not going to steal the bases. Contrast that with the fact that he plays a hot corner and not an outfield position, and maybe that's a fair trade off (especially in Anaheim where replacing Troy Glaus has been a decade of futility).
They are the three best young players in the league.
Manny will be taking over for Hardy in a couple years, so he'll become more valuable a fielder as a SS rather than a 3B.
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A shame...being west coast AL team we never see much of Trout out here.
Fear not. He'll be a Yankee by 2018 and then we'll all get to see much more of him than we ever wanted.
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A shame...being west coast AL team we never see much of Trout out here.
Fear not. He'll be a Yankee by 2018 and then we'll all get to see much more of him than we ever wanted.
please don't say that
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please don't say that
Grew up in New Jersey, idolized Jeter, strong character, no facial hair - the Yankees even gave his family a suite for his first NY Series. This photo has haunted me since the day his girlfriend posted it in November:
(http://coedbc.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/mike-trout-yankees-jersey.jpg?w=600&h=614)
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A shame...being west coast AL team we never see much of Trout out here.
Fear not. He'll be a Yankee by 2018 and then we'll all get to see much more of him than we ever wanted.
please don't say that
Bam Bam will be right there with him. Probably Stras too.
America!
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Probably Stras too.
With the new park, I think CC is the last big name free agent pitcher signing the Yanks have. They will have to trade for and develop pitchers from now on. We've already seen a number of veteran premiere free agent pitchers turn them down and I think that trend continues.
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ive always seen strasburg as way more likely to leave the nats than harper
not quite sure why (probably that strasburg's personality always makes him seem kinda grumpy about being here)
if i had to choose one of them to stay here for a very long time itd be bryce, no contest
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Harper could handle NY. I'm not so sure about Strasburg.
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I could see Stras going out west, maybe closer to home. I'd love to see Bryce stay around. Who knows though, his popularity can only rise, we'll see how successful Nats are down the road...
Also, what is it with the Nats thumping or getting thumped? 13 to 4? For real?
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I hope Strasburg's arm make it til he is traded but I'm skeptical...
They should definitely keep Bryce Harper no matter what...
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It was good to see him go 8 innings [finally], but we'll see. According to "experts" his "mechanics" still need work.
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wow. this team is just a mess right now.
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I believe they're around the pace they were last year.. Not to mention the injuries. It also seems like anyone in the #2 slot can't do dick at the plate. Werth was supposed to return Friday, now they're saying it could be 2 more weeks. Uy.
24-17 May 21st, 2012
23-22 May 21st, 2013.
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A shame...being west coast AL team we never see much of Trout out here.
Your move, Mr. Harper....
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A shame...being west coast AL team we never see much of Trout out here.
Your move, Mr. Harper....
....How many games has he even played on the west coast trip? I haven't been keeping up cuz the games are too late on our end :\
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Nats at .500; Angels 9 under. Meh.
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Nats at .500; Angels 9 under. Meh.
Neither are worth bragging about considering the pre-season hype.
The reasons are obvious - Anaheim doesn't have your pitching staff, and the Nat's don't have Mike Trout.
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Nats at .500; Angels 9 under. Meh.
Neither are worth bragging about considering the pre-season hype.
The reasons are obvious - Anaheim doesn't have your pitching staff, and the Nat's don't have Mike Trout.
Yet, they have Mike Trout and are 9 under............ What's the arguement? Nats are better because of their entire pitching rotation, yet the Angels are better because they have Mike Trout?
Mike Trout > Stras, Gio, JZimm, Haren, and Detwiler? Really?
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Yet, they have Mike Trout and are 9 under............ What's the arguement? Nats are better because of their entire pitching rotation, yet the Angels are better because they have Mike Trout?
Mike Trout > Stras, Gio, JZimm, Haren, and Detwiler? Really?
It was a joke, but your deductive reasoning skills still leave something to be desired.
The Angels would be better with Stras, Gio and JZimm (haha, you said Haren....$13M for 4-5 and an ERA over 5.00 in the NL - that's the only thing Anaheim got right in the off season).
The Nats would be better with Trout, because only Miguel Cabrera is a better hitter than Mike Trout.
That's all that joke was implying.
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Nats don't have enough offensive power.. getting rid of Morse.I don't know about that move..
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Morse is .242/.305/.462 with Seattle. In whose place would you start him?
Nats don't have enough offensive power.. getting rid of Morse.I don't know about that move..
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Morse is .242/.305/.462 with Seattle. In whose place would you start him?
Nats don't have enough offensive power.. getting rid of Morse.I don't know about that move..
well I guess some games he'd play first and some games in the outfield like last year
when i checked his numbers about two weeks ago he looked allright...
then i looked at laroche and he had the worst numbers ever so i thought he could play some at first..
but maybe things have changed and laroche has heated up..
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Yet, they have Mike Trout and are 9 under............ What's the arguement? Nats are better because of their entire pitching rotation, yet the Angels are better because they have Mike Trout?
Mike Trout > Stras, Gio, JZimm, Haren, and Detwiler? Really?
It was a joke, but your deductive reasoning skills still leave something to be desired.
The Angels would be better with Stras, Gio and JZimm (haha, you said Haren....$13M for 4-5 and an ERA over 5.00 in the NL - that's the only thing Anaheim got right in the off season).
The Nats would be better with Trout, because only Miguel Cabrera is a better hitter than Mike Trout.
That's all that joke was implying.
I meant to put an asterisk by Haren's name lol.
Desire more from me. I thrive on it.
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there was no room for morse here. despite getting picked off a few too many times, span's been great in the field and at the plate (it isnt his fault no one drives him in) and now that laroche is out of his slump hes a far better overall player than morse. plus with the infield arms as shaky as theyve been they need his glove bad. the only player morse might have deserved to bump out of a starting spot is werth, and that obviously wasnt gonna happen. i liked morse a lot but he was an awful fielder.
i think the biggest thing the nats lost with that trade was his personality. he seemed like a guy that kept the clubhouse loose, and they apparently don't have that anymore. they need to lighten up and quit trying to be perfect in every situation.
luckily the rest of the division is awful and the braves arent pulling ahead like they could, so the nats arent gonna be out of it for a while. they really need to start putting some winning streaks together though.
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There's an easy fix for the Nats offensive woes - call up Rendon, and have him play second base, like he has been in Double A ball. He's hitting .350 down there - even if he hits .240 in the bigs, it's .100 points better than Espinosa.
Clearly, Espinosa's shoulder is worse than he's leading on.
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I'd hope it isn't. It took him awhile to come around last year as well. Same thing happened last year with Ryan Zimmerman and Sean Burnett, hopefully some of the other guys learned about hiding an injury and how it's detrimental to the whole team... But who knows. We aren't too far back in the division. I hope once we get everyone back and healthy that the ship gets...righted... No one seems to be able to do anything in that 2nd spot. Such a shame because Span has been an on base machine.
PRESSURE
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There's an easy fix for the Nats offensive woes - call up Rendon, and have him play second base, like he has been in Double A ball. He's hitting .350 down there - even if he hits .240 in the bigs, it's .100 points better than Espinosa.
Clearly, Espinosa's shoulder is worse than he's leading on.
this is going to happen.
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There's an easy fix for the Nats offensive woes - call up Rendon, and have him play second base, like he has been in Double A ball. He's hitting .350 down there - even if he hits .240 in the bigs, it's .100 points better than Espinosa.
Clearly, Espinosa's shoulder is worse than he's leading on.
this is going to happen.
i keep thinking this but then i see another "danny's too good a player to give up on" quote from davey or rizzo and i dont even know
i dont doubt that danny's got potential, but its becoming pretty obvious that hes never gonna reach it here, and that excuse seems to be running out of time. its not really a slump if this is how hes played for over a year now
unfortunately its been a golden opportunity for lombo to step up and take the starting spot but hes been pretty bad too
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Not what you need. (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9302208/rafael-soriano-questions-bryce-harper-outfield-positioning-game-tying-play)
"With two outs and the tying run at first, you have to play the outfield so the ball doesn't go over your head," Soriano told the newspaper in Spanish. "It may not have been a catchable ball. But if we're positioned the right way, there might have been a different outcome.
"With two outs, I could tell my 4-year-old son, 'You know where you need to play,' and he would have positioned himself better. It's not an excuse, and I'm not speaking badly about anybody, but I think that's how you play the game."
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Maybe he's got a thing about walls now.
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Today's Nats/Giants game was one if the best I've seen all season. I'm a sucker for good pitching and great defense...
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Saw the 9th and 10th. Heard Harper had a nice play in the outfield...a homer and a double that led to the winning run. Not a bad day.
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Saw the 9th and 10th. Heard Harper had a nice play in the outfield...a homer and a double that led to the winning run. Not a bad day.
Two nice catches, actually. He was the difference maker on offense for the Nat's too, for certain.
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they were great catches. the sliding one was more impressive, but the one up near the wall had to be the bigger moment overall. cool to see. the two runs scored were even cooler
i want to rag on the nats bullpen for giving up another lead but then i realize the offense has given them such pathetic leads to work with and its hard to blame storen and co for not being as perfect as theyve had to be. this team is a mess but theyre staying a notch or two above full-on trainwreck status, so it should be quite a summer.
that last out was brutal. this road trip was awful, but coming home on a win is pretty nice.
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(http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/files/2013/05/GioMcCattyShirt.jpg)
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Today's Nats/Giants game was one if the best I've seen all season. I'm a sucker for good pitching and great defense...
Caught the final 3 innings. God I hate the Giants. Glad they're coming back home so I can watch some games.
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Free wings at Duffy's if you wear your Nats gear tomorrow during happy hour.
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Dang.
Got free club level seats for the game last night. The rain wasn't so bad but the wind was WHIPPING real fucking hard. Got there at around 7:15 and it was pouring down and slapping rain all over the place. After it died down around 7:40 or so it was cool but then got real muggy. The game was fun. I really REALLY hate how many O's fans there were/are, but they were silenced by the abundance of taters.
That Karns kid got a standing ovation when he walked off after his 5 innings. Was excited to see everyone who hit the taters. LaRoche, Shark and TMo! Need them bats to swing hard. Excited for the rest of the series. Hopefully we can keep it up tonight ESPECTIALLY with JZimm on the hill tonight.
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Zimmerman great; Zimmermann not so much.
Game 4..... Who says interleague sucks?
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Definitely didn't think they'd allow 7 runs to lose that game in the last 3 innings. That was upsetting. I could handle Espi being out of the line-up for a bit longer... Hopefully we get another solid outing from Dan Haren tonight and keep the bats awake.
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Zimmermann not so much.
He was probably distracted by the death of his good friend and the man that saved his career - Dr. Lewis Yocum.
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Zimmermann not so much.
He was probably distracted by the death of his good friend and the man that saved his career - Dr. Lewis Yocum.
Or maybe his cat died.
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Three out of four. Verrrry Niiiiice.
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After Wednesday's loss:
?I thought it was a routine fly ball,? Zimmermann said. ?And then I saw T-Mo drifting to the track. I think some of their numbers a little bit escalated because of the ballpark, but they?re a good hitting ballclub.?
and
?Well, that one hurt,? Davey Johnson said. ?This ballpark will eat you alive.?
After Thursday's loss:
Ian Desmond: ?Not making an excuse, but our first base coach is on maternity leave.?
For not making excuses they seem to be making a lot of excuses.
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Desi did say after that it still doesn't warrant excuses and that they just need to make adjustments.
Shutout again?! I'm sick of seeing this team struggle on the offensive front, even with Bam Bam and Werth out. Hopefully they can level out against the Barves...
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At what point do they fire the manager?
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At what point do they fire the manager?
Say what??
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If Steinbrenner owned to Nats, davey would be gone by now.
And what kind of 70 year old man calls himself "davey" anyway? lol
At what point do they fire the manager?
Say what??
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All of them?
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I meant fire the manager, but yeah what the hell...fire the whole team, all of them. Break up the F-ing Nationals!
All of them?
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I meant fire the manager, but yeah what the hell...fire the whole team, all of them. Break up the F-ing Nationals!
All of them?
I was talking about all 70 year olds calling themselves Davey.
I agree though. Fire them all. 10-1? Seriously? This team isn't going to win anything ever again. Last year was the high water mark. *waits for 60 game winning streak*
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Like a pitcher having to go see Lewis Yocum, Bryce Harper having to go see Dr. James Andrews is not a good thing for baseball.
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yeah, probably doesnt bode well
bryce coming back so soon after that crash was absurd. its baffling that the nats did what they did with strasburg last year but they did nothing to keep bryce out of the lineup after he ran full speed into the fucking wall, days after jumping into another wall. he should have sat a few days after the first collision, and been dl'd after the second. i know he hit those two huge home runs after coming back, but other than that he was clearly not right
plus letting espinosa play all year with a broken wrist and torn rotator cuff? even still its like theyre expecting that shit to just heal on its own
this team is just a mess all over
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fire the manager
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If he's healthy (and I don't mean he passes his physical, but avoids the DL next season) he's a steal at $13m, and the Angels offered Haren a one-year deal with an option for a second last week, but he turned it down. The money was apparently nowhere close to the Nationals' $13 million offered him, but if the team that knows him best was giving him an offer, that's a pretty good sign for your team.
In retrospect $13M doesn't seem like such a steal right now. And I haven't heard any whispers about any injuries.
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yeah, probably doesnt bode well
bryce coming back so soon after that crash was absurd. its baffling that the nats did what they did with strasburg last year but they did nothing to keep bryce out of the lineup after he ran full speed into the fucking wall, days after jumping into another wall. he should have sat a few days after the first collision, and been dl'd after the second. i know he hit those two huge home runs after coming back, but other than that he was clearly not right
plus letting espinosa play all year with a broken wrist and torn rotator cuff? even still its like theyre expecting that shit to just heal on its own
this team is just a mess all over
It almost looks like Davey and Rizzo have been taking advice from Shanahan.
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fire the manager
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If he's healthy (and I don't mean he passes his physical, but avoids the DL next season) he's a steal at $13m, and the Angels offered Haren a one-year deal with an option for a second last week, but he turned it down. The money was apparently nowhere close to the Nationals' $13 million offered him, but if the team that knows him best was giving him an offer, that's a pretty good sign for your team.
In retrospect $13M doesn't seem like such a steal right now. And I haven't heard any whispers about any injuries.
His last 3 or 4 starts start off good and then he just falls apart. Reminds me of some of EJax games last year when he would go 5, 6 innings and then just explode in the last one. So weird.
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They should use Haren as a pinch hitter the way they used Jackson as a pinch runner.
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now we're talkin'
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In retrospect $13M doesn't seem like such a steal right now. And I haven't heard any whispers about any injuries.
Yeah, I posted somewhere in here that letting Haren go was the one correct thing Anaheim did this off season.
Sure, Blanton has been god awful, but he's half the price and his second half splits are encouraging. With any luck the team could finish at .500 this season!
Haren was a strange case. He was so good at eating innings and keeping the team in ball games when they needed it, and then he'd have the occasional lights out game where he was dominant. Then he got hurt for the first time in his career and has never been the same since. Shame really.
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Good to see the bats wake up....a little bit... When they were up 1-0 I was convinced they'd blow it. I can't say enough about Ian Desmond. That's my mans right there.
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There should be a rule in baseball that everyone has to have a pitching motion like Ross Ohlendorf.
Old school (https://vines.s3.amazonaws.com/v/videos/3A6961AD-D2B3-4EC6-8DCC-E9D761DCBEC5-6686-00000385E2ACE33B_1.1.2.mp4?versionId=r9KSyQFPLlT15tZv3ixZ838P6Y7oIosZ)
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Hahaha! Watching that last night was kind of mind boggling. It would have been real stupid if he didn't have the game he had. Wish I could watch the game today. Will have to follow on the live.....game day thing on their site.
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There should be a rule in baseball that everyone has to have a pitching motion like Ross Ohlendorf.
Old school (https://vines.s3.amazonaws.com/v/videos/3A6961AD-D2B3-4EC6-8DCC-E9D761DCBEC5-6686-00000385E2ACE33B_1.1.2.mp4?versionId=r9KSyQFPLlT15tZv3ixZ838P6Y7oIosZ)
Yep. Awesome.
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fire the manager
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fire the manager
I just don't get it... is there some rationale for these repeated requests on your part? Davey Johnson is a proven manager with success coaching multiple teams at multiple levels including just last year! I just don't think this team is very good. Its not as if he has all these awesome bats in the lineup, theyre scoring tons of runs and still losing..
never mind the fact I'd be very surprised if they fired him....i think they're too classy to do that to Davey on what is ostensibly his last job.
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listening to james ford talk baseball is like listening to atomicfront in the beer thread.
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They essentially fired Frank Robinson, and that was his final job. So do they give preference to an old Florida-born WHITE guy who seems unable to turn the team around?
They are essentially the same team as last year, take away Jackson, Morse, and Espinosedive and add Haren, Span, and Rendon.
So what are they lacking? I say heart and fire in the belly. So what better way to light a fire underneath their underperforming asses than to ax the old guy with the bum ticker? And I'm going to keep saying it until they do.
fire the manager
I just don't get it... is there some rationale for these repeated requests on your part? Davey Johnson is a proven manager with success coaching multiple teams at multiple levels including just last year! I just don't think this team is very good. Its not as if he has all these awesome bats in the lineup, theyre scoring tons of runs and still losing..
never mind the fact I'd be very surprised if they fired him....i think they're too classy to do that to Davey on what is ostensibly his last job.
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So what are they lacking? I say heart and fire in the belly. So what better way to light a fire underneath their underperforming asses than to ax the old guy with the bum ticker? And I'm going to keep saying it until they do.
they are lacking health and a consistent #4.
they've had some hard luck losses, where last year they seemed to win every game by 1 run.
they play 162 for a reason.
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Record in one run games:
2012: 27-21
2013: 13-8
Better this year than last.
Harper missed some games this year and last due to health. Strasburg missed some starts this year and last due to health (or in the case of last year, health concerns). Werth missed a bunch of games, but he missed half of last season. So what other injuries are you talking about?
They play 162 games for a reason. To make enough revenue to pay the guaranteed salaries of these underforming clown show bros.
So what are they lacking? I say heart and fire in the belly. So what better way to light a fire underneath their underperforming asses than to ax the old guy with the bum ticker? And I'm going to keep saying it until they do.
they are lacking health and a consistent #4.
they've had some hard luck losses, where last year they seemed to win every game by 1 run.
they play 162 for a reason.
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At least one person agrees with my assessment of Davey's performance.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/06/05/davey-johnson-says-hes-done-a-horse-bleep-job-managing-nats-roster/
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They essentially fired Frank Robinson, and that was his final job. So do they give preference to an old Florida-born WHITE guy who seems unable to turn the team around?
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oh yah turn into a racial thing
you're such an ass...
not to mention they did not fire him
"On September 30, 2006, the Nationals' management declined to renew Robinson's contract for the 2007 season"
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I'm not even saying Davey Johnson is doing the best job this year.. I really dont' know.. but I don't see how firing him would help. Let the season end and then I think he is going his own way as it is...
I look at the Nats and I just don't see the bats... at least last year they had Morse kickin' ass pre-All star break in addition to Laroche...
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...says the guy who blames the lack of media and public adoration for Migeul Cabrera on the fact that he's Latino.
They essentially fired Frank Robinson, and that was his final job. So do they give preference to an old Florida-born WHITE guy who seems unable to turn the team around?
oh yah turn into a racial thing
you're such an ass...
not to mention they did not fire him
"On September 30, 2006, the Nationals' management declined to renew Robinson's contract for the 2007 season"
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At least one person agrees with my assessment of Davey's performance.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/06/05/davey-johnson-says-hes-done-a-horse-bleep-job-managing-nats-roster/
hows the rest of the baseball world feel?
it's the job of the manager to fall on the sword, to protect the fragile young minds in the club house. no one is calling for his head this early, except for you. and you've been calling for his head for over a month now, which is alarmist at the very least.
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So what are they lacking? I say heart and fire in the belly. So what better way to light a fire underneath their underperforming asses than to ax the old guy with the bum ticker? And I'm going to keep saying it until they do.
this is hilarious. a day after a come-from-behind performance, where chad tracy hits a HR in the bottom of the 9th with 2 outs off of a top 5 closer in the league.
no heart at all.
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Record in one run games:
2012: 27-21
2013: 13-8
Better this year than last.
Harper missed some games this year and last due to health. Strasburg missed some starts this year and last due to health (or in the case of last year, health concerns). Werth missed a bunch of games, but he missed half of last season. So what other injuries are you talking about?
They play 162 games for a reason. To make enough revenue to pay the guaranteed salaries of these underforming clown show bros.
i was wrong about the 1-run games. they are indeed better this year. fire the manager!
harper missed games last year due to struggles at the plate, iirc.
werth, zimmerman, harper have all been out for extended periods this year.
there hasn't been the bench support they had last year, or the bullpen.
regardless, the sky isn't falling, and the nats aren't out of it. there's no reason to even discuss firing the manager.
detroit was 44-42 at the all-star break last year. good thing they fired jim leiland and solved all their problems. oh, wait.
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Record in one run games:
2012: 27-21
2013: 13-8
Better this year than last.
Harper missed some games this year and last due to health. Strasburg missed some starts this year and last due to health (or in the case of last year, health concerns). Werth missed a bunch of games, but he missed half of last season. So what other injuries are you talking about?
They play 162 games for a reason. To make enough revenue to pay the guaranteed salaries of these underforming clown show bros.
i was wrong about the 1-run games. they are indeed better this year. fire the manager!
harper missed games last year due to struggles at the plate, iirc.
werth, zimmerman, harper have all been out for extended periods this year.
there hasn't been the bench support they had last year, or the bullpen.
regardless, the sky isn't falling, and the nats aren't out of it. there's no reason to even discuss firing the manager.
detroit was 44-42 at the all-star break last year. good thing they fired jim leiland and solved all their problems. oh, wait.
Sorry guys, I haven't been going to as many games this year as I did last year. I'm sure that's the reason for their struggles. I'll work on it.
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THOMAS BOSWELL :
Davey's not the problem. Or, in the sense that everybody is part of the problem, he's not the central element in fixing the problem.
And the problem is offense. That's it. That's all. But that's a TON when you have fallen from 10th in scoring to 29th with a lineup that is very similar or -- with Rendon now at second and Harper hitting much higher (when healthy) than he did as a rookie -- looks like it might be better on paper.
Objectively, imo, if they were a team from 1,000 miles away, I'd say, "Watch out for this team if it starts to hit because it might go nuts the rest of the year."
Subjectively, I'd say, "What a bunch of bums. If they can gag at the plate for 68 games, they can keep right on doing it."
Most likely, they hit a LOT better but they have dug a hole from which they will have to keep digging themselves for the rest of the season.
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THOMAS BOSWELL :
Davey's not the problem. Or, in the sense that everybody is part of the problem, he's not the central element in fixing the problem.
And the problem is offense. That's it. That's all. But that's a TON when you have fallen from 10th in scoring to 29th with a lineup that is very similar or -- with Rendon now at second and Harper hitting much higher (when healthy) than he did as a rookie -- looks like it might be better on paper.
Objectively, imo, if they were a team from 1,000 miles away, I'd say, "Watch out for this team if it starts to hit because it might go nuts the rest of the year."
Subjectively, I'd say, "What a bunch of bums. If they can gag at the plate for 68 games, they can keep right on doing it."
Most likely, they hit a LOT better but they have dug a hole from which they will have to keep digging themselves for the rest of the season.
if only there were a web-site like beeradvocate or ratebeer to pool an objective opinion about baseball managers, we wouldn't have to hear all these subjective opinions that are baseless.
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The Braves have been a .500 team since their 12-1(?) start. It seems reasonable that if the Nats can get Harper back, Rendon continues to shine at the plate, Zimmerman's shoulder doesn't bum out, and Laroche catches fire in the second half like he always does....that the Nats will catch the Braves even if they don't fire Davey.
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Stranding runners is not going to win you games. Squandering a fucking pinch hit homer with 2 outs and 2 strikes is just a kick in the stomach, especially to your fucking rivals in their piece of shit city.
They're averaging 4 runs a game since Werth came back and Rendon was called up for good. The starting pitching ERA is under 4 runs, once this all comes together, all will be right and they'll go on a crazy streak. That double header against the Barves last year really sent the team on a crazy streak and when was that? The end of July.
6/18/12 38 wins
6/18/13 34 wins
TIME TO FUCKING PANIC. Chill out.
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7 out of 10. These were tough:
ESPN's Do you know the baseball rules? (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/quiz/_/id/4979/do-know-mlb-rules)
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I never have any idea what you are talking about in your posts, because your writings resembles rap lyrics.
Stranding runners is not going to win you games. Squandering a fucking pinch hit homer with 2 outs and 2 strikes is just a kick in the stomach, especially to your fucking rivals in their piece of shit city.
They're averaging 4 runs a game since Werth came back and Rendon was called up for good. The starting pitching ERA is under 4 runs, once this all comes together, all will be right and they'll go on a crazy streak. That double header against the Barves last year really sent the team on a crazy streak and when was that? The end of July.
6/18/12 38 wins
6/18/13 34 wins
TIME TO FUCKING PANIC. Chill out.
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7 out of 10. These were tough:
ESPN's Do you know the baseball rules? (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/quiz/_/id/4979/do-know-mlb-rules)
8/10!
I missed the first one and last one. Gah.
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8/10!
I missed the first one and last one. Gah.
I too missed the first one.
I missed 6 - I've seen an error called that way; I've never seen it the way described there.
And I missed 8.
I've seen Scioscia do #10. I was pretty shocked.
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This team is frustrating to watch. I got tickets for Thursday AND Sunday, I hope I see a win.
Rendon has an on base streak of 16 games in a row, did I hear that? And Desi is up to 19 game streak for being on base? Lord.
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I see the record this season and my opinion that they shouldn't have shut down Starsburg last year seems to vindicated. It would be funny if last year is the only year the Nationals have a winning record with Starburg on the team and he leaves via free agency at the earliest moment.
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I see the record this season and my opinion that they shouldn't have shut down Starsburg last year seems to vindicated. It would be funny if last year is the only year the Nationals have a winning record with Starburg on the team and he leaves via free agency at the earliest moment.
I think you could more easily look at Stras and say the team's management was vindicated in shutting him down. He is a pretty fragile guy. If they had pitched him more I think they might have ended his career. Moreover, Stras pitching is no guarantee.. I don't think he's lights out or a guarantee that had they pitched him at that late point- by which he'd had at least one fairly horrid start anyways- they'd have won.... the problem with the bullpen blowing that game would not have been resolved.
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I see the record this season and my opinion that they shouldn't have shut down Starsburg last year seems to vindicated. It would be funny if last year is the only year the Nationals have a winning record with Starburg on the team and he leaves via free agency at the earliest moment.
incredible deliberation, thanks for sharing.
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"starburg"
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I see the record this season and my opinion that they shouldn't have shut down Starsburg last year seems to vindicated. It would be funny if last year is the only year the Nationals have a winning record with Starburg on the team and he leaves via free agency at the earliest moment.
It sucks that the season ended and your opinion is totally correct and that this was Strasburgs final season with the Nats. Shucks.
Why is tommy front always so right.
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I see the record this season and my opinion that they shouldn't have shut down Starsburg last year seems to vindicated. It would be funny if last year is the only year the Nationals have a winning record with Starburg on the team and he leaves via free agency at the earliest moment.
It sucks that the season ended and your opinion is totally correct and that this was Strasburgs final season with the Nats. Shucks.
Why is tommy front always so right.
No his final season to help the team win a playoff series. You have your window you have to go for it.
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I see the record this season and my opinion that they shouldn't have shut down Starsburg last year seems to vindicated. It would be funny if last year is the only year the Nationals have a winning record with Starburg on the team and he leaves via free agency at the earliest moment.
It sucks that the season ended and your opinion is totally correct and that this was Strasburgs final season with the Nats. Shucks.
Why is tommy front always so right.
No his final season to help the team win a playoff series. You have your window you have to go for it.
Sarcasm is lost on you.
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Ian Desmond. This fucking guy.
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Bang! Zoom!
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fuck rendon is good. jordan too.
and fuck werth is totally lost.
the dreaded wrist injury. i'm starting to wonder if it'll forever fuck with him.
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Last night he looked LOST, people in the stands were moaning and groaning by the time he got his third strikeout. He was all over the field on defense though. I was also wondering if his wrist was bothering him. He looked so uncomfortable last night.
There was about 20 drunk women behind me and they started the wave. Dear god. So fucking annoying. They wouldn't stop cackling until people were like "excuse me I'm trying to watch a baseball game here". Being drunk at a game? Totally normal. Being drunk, obnoxious, and paying zero attention to the game? Fuck. Off.
Desi's tater landed about 3 rows behind me. It was my little sisters first game, so I tried to catch it for one of them, but alas, it was behind us. They were fucking terrified it was going to them though hahaha
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you could hear the boos on TV by the fourth K.
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Being drunk at a game? Totally normal. Being drunk, obnoxious, and paying zero attention to the game?
no. that sounds normal for dc.
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you could hear the boos on TV by the fourth K.
I didn't hear boos, there were groans. I'll say the people who were clearly not baseball fans were doing the "What's wrong with Ovi!?" thing where they were like "OH COME ON WERTH, ARE YOU SERIOUS, WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU" and then would go back to checking their emails and facebooks.
@hutch normal for anywhere, i guess. just super annoying.
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I'm sure most of you have seen this:
The Washington Nationals New Reality (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9407876/the-washington-nationals-new-reality)
Way too early to panic...
"The Nationals of 2013 haven't put their Opening Day lineup on the field since April 14. The only starting position player who hasn't missed time is shortstop Ian Desmond. And the last time Werth and Harper started in the same game was May 2 -- a ridiculous 43 games ago."
And hopefully it never will with Rendon replacing Espinosa, but the point is the same.
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Perfect evening for baseball!
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37-38. Fire the manager?
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The title of this thread has taken on a whole new meaning this year.
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no it hasnt
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there has to be some tension in that clubhouse right now...
I hope he hasn't lost them...
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word is rizzo's been making a lot of phone calls around the league lately. interesting to see how this plays out
i would think the biggest need is another starting pitcher, but a solid catcher and some good bench guys might not hurt either
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word is rizzo's been making a lot of phone calls around the league lately. interesting to see how this plays out
i would think the biggest need is another starting pitcher, but a solid catcher and some good bench guys might not hurt either
the biggest need is the same as it was during the offseason: a big fucking bat.
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where do they put it though?
zimmerman, desmond, rendon and all three starting outfielders arent going anywhere, and id imagine laroche isnt either. catcher is really the only hole i can see them trying to fill offensively. unless werth is gonna be out for a while, which wouldnt surprise me
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I was there yesterday. We got there an hour and a half before the game [noon] and still missed the bobbleheads. There was a lady and her daughter sitting in front of us who were BOTH on their Kindle Fires watching tv and playing a game. Stoked they got bobbleheads and enjoyed the game.
Strangined 11, FUCKING 11 RUNERS, yesterday. Such a terrible terrible thing to see live on top of Werth leaving the game. I guess when half of your line-up is back ups, what do you expect. Still exciting to see them come back and make it interesting. I was hoping they wouldn't get ravaged again, didn't look that way in the 3rd....Fun to see them come back though.
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bring up taylor jordan!
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bring up taylor jordan!
He's not on the 40 man roster - Taylor started in single A (hence why he wasn't on the 40 man roster) before shredding up AA the last 2 months. So the Nats would have to option somebody or move someone to the extended DL. I don't know the rest of the roster well enough, but is anybody available for the 60 day DL?
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word is rizzo's been making a lot of phone calls around the league lately. interesting to see how this plays out
Espinosa's playing shortstop in the minors - can't tell if they're trying to build his confidence back up by putting him in his natural position or if they're showcasing his superior defensive skills to deal him.
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word is rizzo's been making a lot of phone calls around the league lately. interesting to see how this plays out
Espinosa's playing shortstop in the minors - can't tell if they're trying to build his confidence back up by putting him in his natural position or if they're showcasing his superior defensive skills to deal him.
Looks like they're showing what he can do.... I mean, what happens if he comes back up? They aren't sitting Rendon for Espinosa.... I feel bad for that beard.
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Wow, Rendon is like the Machado of the National League.
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rendon with another killer game tonight.
strasburg vs. corbin is huge tomorrow.
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Rendon was about a foot and a half from a homer last night. Just incredible. I'm getting insanely excited to get Bam Bam and him on the same line-up. Holy CRAP!
Where does that put Rendon in the line-up though? Will that push Werth down or Rendon down?
Excited for Stras today. Gio and Jordan back to back was awesome, hopefully Stras can make it 3 solid nights in a row at home.
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i wouldn't be surprised to see werth on a DL stint soon. that wrist is clearly bothering him, and playing through it obviously isn't working.
line-up will most likely be span-rendon-harper-laroche-desmond-werth, but wouldn't be surprised to see if they put rendon 7th and let him continue to get comfortable.
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Continue to get comfortable? He seems pretty comfortable to me...
I think I'd rather see him come up 3rd, I feel like Span and Harper could get on base consistently making his ab's even more dangerous and useful. I think he got stranded once yesterday, which was surprising considering how anemic the offense has been lately.
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he stretches and plays with his wrist during his at bats.
it's bothering him.
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bring up taylor jordan!
He's not on the 40 man roster - Taylor started in single A (hence why he wasn't on the 40 man roster) before shredding up AA the last 2 months. So the Nats would have to option somebody or move someone to the extended DL. I don't know the rest of the roster well enough, but is anybody available for the 60 day DL?
taylor jordan up to spot-start saturday.
tyler moore probably gets optioned.
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I was talking about Rendon! I didn't know you meant WERTH to get comfortable, my mistake!
Is it a machismo thing? All these young kids carrying the team and the old guy can't stay healthy? People were saying he was running a little slowly in the outfield...maybe that hamstring/groin is still bothering him as well.
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Continue to get comfortable? He seems pretty comfortable to me...
Don't confuse "comfort" with the lack of a scouting book on the kid yet. It's smart to move him down as the league adjusts to him so he's in situations where he can focus on what pitch is being thrown at him rather than that plus the situation of who's on base and who's hitting behind him.
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That makes sense, but I'd imagine they'd move him down once people are healthy and back in the line-up. I don't see him being down from 2nd to 7th though... Putting him in front of bunts seems kind of pointless.
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That makes sense, but I'd imagine they'd move him down once people are healthy and back in the line-up. I don't see him being down from 2nd to 7th though... Putting him in front of bunts seems kind of pointless.
I don't watch enough Nat's games to know where he'll be moved to, but I watch enough baseball to know it makes sense to move him down to at least 6.
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Continue to get comfortable? He seems pretty comfortable to me...
Don't confuse "comfort" with the lack of a scouting book on the kid yet. It's smart to move him down as the league adjusts to him so he's in situations where he can focus on what pitch is being thrown at him rather than that plus the situation of who's on base and who's hitting behind him.
he has 107 PAs, plenty of time to scout him. he has no holes in his swing and a very consistent approach at the plate, I don't see a drop-off anytime soon. we're not talking about some slugger who came up and hit 5 HR on fastballs in his first 20 AB.
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I was talking about Rendon! I didn't know you meant WERTH to get comfortable, my mistake!
Is it a machismo thing? All these young kids carrying the team and the old guy can't stay healthy? People were saying he was running a little slowly in the outfield...maybe that hamstring/groin is still bothering him as well.
my bad. i forgot what i wrote haha
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Unless/until Span improves I wouldn't feel like he had to bat leadoff. They'd never move him because he's "a leadoff guy" and Davey is stubborn but his .310 OBP is one of the worst on the team. I like Keith Law's idea of hitting best player 2nd. Why not go Rendon - Harper - Zimmerman - Laroche - Werth - Desmond - Suzuki - Span? Give the best players the most at-bats.
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That makes sense, but I'd imagine they'd move him down once people are healthy and back in the line-up. I don't see him being down from 2nd to 7th though... Putting him in front of bunts seems kind of pointless.
I don't watch enough Nat's games to know where he'll be moved to, but I watch enough baseball to know it makes sense to move him down to at least 6.
Similar to what the Orioles did with Machado. He was down in the lineup last year - didn't start hitting in the 2-hole until this year.
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he has 107 PAs, plenty of time to scout him. he has no holes in his swing and a very consistent approach at the plate, I don't see a drop-off anytime soon. we're not talking about some slugger who came up and hit 5 HR on fastballs in his first 20 AB.
Yep - he'll win the NL batting title in his rookie year. [eyeroll]
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he has 107 PAs, plenty of time to scout him. he has no holes in his swing and a very consistent approach at the plate, I don't see a drop-off anytime soon. we're not talking about some slugger who came up and hit 5 HR on fastballs in his first 20 AB.
Yep - he'll win the NL batting title in his rookie year. [eyeroll]
you heard it here first!
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he has 107 PAs, plenty of time to scout him. he has no holes in his swing and a very consistent approach at the plate, I don't see a drop-off anytime soon. we're not talking about some slugger who came up and hit 5 HR on fastballs in his first 20 AB.
Yep - he'll win the NL batting title in his rookie year. [eyeroll]
Pft, he'll win the Triple Crown, bro.
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he has 107 PAs, plenty of time to scout him. he has no holes in his swing and a very consistent approach at the plate, I don't see a drop-off anytime soon. we're not talking about some slugger who came up and hit 5 HR on fastballs in his first 20 AB.
Yep - he'll win the NL batting title in his rookie year. [eyeroll]
Pft, he'll win the Triple Crown, bro.
Triple crown ain't worth shit these days....look at Cabrera..
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Isn't he on his way to another one this year?
The Rockies series was a good one, I'll admit. Good to get the series win, it was a bummer to waste Strasburg's solid start.
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Isn't he on his way to another one this year?
The Rockies series was a good one, I'll admit. Good to get the series win, it was a bummer to waste Strasburg's solid start.
Two triple crowns in a row ain't worth shit!
TROUT MVP!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Lol
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Only Chris Davis or an injury can get in his way this season....
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Zim!!!!
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Sweeeeeet! ;D
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And today it was boot, boot, boot for the home team.
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Eating Papa John's tonight. WHOOP!
Bam Bam said he was sleeping in his uniform last night lol.
For those Nats fans with Twitter familiar with such things, Nats Archive has released an awesome Ian Desmond shirt:
http://thenationalsarchive.spreadshirt.com/sta-men-s-american-apparel-t-A12966274/customize/color/1
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break up the f-ing nationals!
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This was about the time they started waking up last year.... I hope that's what it is and not just walloping on a less than average team. The line was moving last night though! Zimmermann going 3 for 3 was loltacular.
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the title of this thread is dumb. someone should change it.
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the title of this thread is dumb. someone should change it.
+1
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A two game win streak and suddenly we don't have to break up the Nationals?
I bet they lose tonight. Strasburg is pitching. The offense won't put out.
the title of this thread is dumb. someone should change it.
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the title of this thread is dumb. someone should change it.
I'm always amazed at what gets long time lurkers to comment.
But that being said, I'd keep it because I love the irony of it.
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A two game win streak and suddenly we don't have to break up the Nationals?
I bet they lose tonight. Strasburg is pitching. The offense won't put out.
the title of this thread is dumb. someone should change it.
I bet they win.
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suggestions for thread names:
will the nats win or lose today?
TIME TO FIRE DAVEY
KFM: davey johnson, bryce harper, wilson ramos
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people say "who do they sit" .. well there are any number of players... they need some powerful bats in there... you can upgrade your players if you want to win..
maybe there are no bats out there to be had.. i don't know.but these guys just aren't enough...even with rendon..
can't win games when you're getting shut out... maybe everyone loves the nats hitters or something but unless i misheard they been shut out 9 times this year...
its a shame with these pitchers to be a 500 club...
they have too much pitching and not enough hitting...
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indeed.
ugly loss.
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This.
A two game win streak and suddenly we don't have to break up the Nationals?
I bet they lose tonight. Strasburg is pitching. The offense won't put out.
the title of this thread is dumb. someone should change it.
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u cant "this" your own this.
and fwiw - willy peralta threw the game of his life last night.
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That.
Can I that my own this?
This.
A two game win streak and suddenly we don't have to break up the Nationals?
I bet they lose tonight. Strasburg is pitching. The offense won't put out.
the title of this thread is dumb. someone should change it.
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people say "who do they sit" .. well there are any number of players... they need some powerful bats in there... you can upgrade your players if you want to win..
maybe there are no bats out there to be had.. i don't know.but these guys just aren't enough...even with rendon..
can't win games when you're getting shut out... maybe everyone loves the nats hitters or something but unless i misheard they been shut out 9 times this year...
its a shame with these pitchers to be a 500 club...
they have too much pitching and not enough hitting...
Awesome pitching duel last night, Stras was on point, was a real shame to see Drew come in and really flub it up, but you can't win a game with no runs.... It was frustrating to see them strand runner after runner AGAIN.
9 shuts outs this year and we aren't to the All Star break. They had 9 all last year....
Ross back from the DL and on the mound tonight....fingers crossed we can put up 13 runs....
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well one run today.. improvement
;D
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How do they go from 13 to 10 to 0 to 1 to 8? So odd....
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Made it out to the game on Saturday, had tons of fun. Didn't stick around for the post-game concert, but it was good to see Jordan pitch again. Close game, Brewers were SHIT on defense. Hoping the Nats bats are waking up and it wasn't just poor play on the Brewers part...
Big series against the Phils! Last week we were 7 back and now we're back 4!
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I did not think hairston was a major move myself:
Nationals GM Mike Rizzo discussed his team's acquisition of Scott Hairston with reporters (including MASNsports.com's Dan Kolko) today. Hairston was the Nats' top target for right-handed bench help and the club had been negotiating with the Cubs for a couple of weeks, with an eye towards getting the deal finalized before the Nationals' current series with the Phillies. Rizzo liked that Hairston was contracted through 2014 so he can be an asset to Washington next season as well.
Rizzo also noted that the Nats could make another move before the trade deadline but it won't be anything major. "You never stop trying to improve your club, but with that said, we feel like we like the club that we have and we're certainly playing better and we'll see where it takes us from here," Rizzo said. "I don't see any type of big splashy moves that are remaining."
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I did not think hairston was a major move myself:
Me neither. Hairston was cheap insurance in case Harper can't go the distance.
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Was looking at the Nationals last couple of losses over the past couple of weeks, seems as if whenever they've lost over the past 2 or 3 weeks they've scored 2 runs or less. Gah. Desi shaving in between innings yesterday........superstitions, man.... Hopefully we can at least get the split.
I fucking hate Chase Utley and his stupid face.
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Just saw a highlight of Harper flipping his helmet off while running the bases. Does he do this all the time?
I see a new rule in the future for mlb.
Unless there already is a rule....?
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i've seen him do it a couple times.
helmet flips aren't that uncommon. pete rose, manny ramirez, etc..
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Does he do this all the time?
yes, although usually not as blatantly as the highlight I'm guessing you saw.
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Nats really should have a better record but every time they looked like they were getting their act together they gave up a few games in a row... I'm not in the fire davey camp but they do seem to be underperforming a bit.
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Just saw a highlight of Harper flipping his helmet off while running the bases. Does he do this all the time?
I see a new rule in the future for mlb.
Unless there already is a rule....?
Usually it flies off while he's running, I saw what you were talking about and he flipped it off as he was running, I'd never seen him do that before. He does this funny run where it's like his head is being left behind because he's running so fast.
Watching this team struggle against the Phillies and Marlins over the last week was a pain in the dick. Davey flip flopping the whole line-up yesterday was interesting. I wonder if that's something we'll see again after the break...
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Fire the manager?
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Fire the manager?
I was thinking a few hours ago that when I posted that maybe he'd lost the team that was a sign that he needed to go but that I was having trouble facing it....
the other half of me thinks he just doesn't have the players...
I'm not sure which is right!
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Fire the manager?
maybe a week or two off from having a serious discussion about this. the team is lost for sure, and barring an unbelievable august run, stick a fork in these guys.
but they point all their eggs in the davey johnson/rafael soriano bucket this year. and i don't know if running a manager out of town in his last year in the bigs is good business.
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i've given up on this season, anything from here on out is now in "pleasant surprise" territory for me.
i'll still watch every game though, I like bitter/angry/resigned-to-failure fanhood just as much as supporting a winning team.
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the team is in a freefall.... i wonder what they're going to do....
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you know things are going well when the manager is asked "has this club hit rock bottom??"
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press conference only got uglier... with him being asked some weird question about when steinbrenner wanted to fire billy martin.... davey responded "I don't want to go there" , shook his head and bolted
personally i wouldn't fire davey... i'd get him better players... .but obviously the pressure is mounting
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Maybe this whole hitting coach thing will spark something... They showed some life late in the game yesterday. Something we haven't really seen much of once they get down a few runs. Just frustrating to see all the wasted potential.
I was there on Saturday for the extra innings game, was a shame to see people leaving at 11 [late, I know] but there were clear "Let's Go Dodgers" chants that were not being drowned out by the remaining Nats fans. Bandwagon is being emptied quick!
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Maybe this whole hitting coach thing will spark something... They showed some life late in the game yesterday. Something we haven't really seen much of once they get down a few runs. Just frustrating to see all the wasted potential.
I was there on Saturday for the extra innings game, was a shame to see people leaving at 11 [late, I know] but there were clear "Let's Go Dodgers" chants that were not being drowned out by the remaining Nats fans. Bandwagon is being emptied quick!
well that is DC for you... fair weather fans ....
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It's just such a shame. DC really is just a football town. It took years of mediocrity to get there to be empty seats in Fedex. But a few wins and a ROY and the place is the hottest ticket in town. I really wish DC was just as passionate about all the other sports teams.
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I was there on Saturday for the extra innings game, was a shame to see people leaving at 11 [late, I know] but there were clear "Let's Go Dodgers" chants that were not being drowned out by the remaining Nats fans. Bandwagon is being emptied quick!
It was a long day for a lot of people. TONS of people showed up by around 4:30 to make sure they got their Davey bobbleheads. That's over 6 hours on a 90+ degree evening watching an incredibly frustrating, slow moving game. The standard 9-innings took over 3.5 hours. The prospect of sticking around for extra innings after 11pm after watching them blow multiple scoring chances 2 nights in a row wasn't terribly appealing to a lot of people. If they want people to stick around, they need to stop leaving bases loaded with 0/1 outs and walking away empty-handed.
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Yep, I got there at 5ish, got my bobblehead, AND caught a shirt in the t shirt toss and was still pissed at the end of the game. I believe they loaded the bases twice in that game, once with 1 out.
I sat there the whole damn time.
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Fire the manager?
Or just give up on the season in hopes of not offending old people?
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Give them steroids. It's crazy to me how close they come to hitting taters and come up about a foot short. It's their park! They have batting practice in there every day!
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Fire the manager?
Or just give up on the season in hopes of not offending old people?
oh I don't think its about that...to fire the manager first you have to make a case that he's not doing a good job or even better, that there is somebody else out there available who could do a better job..davey johnson has a long track record of being a vvery good manager...
no doubt the clock is ticking and if the nats don't get some wins i think davey will be gone soon... but again, I'm not sure I'd blame him for what has happened... they are i believe next to last in terms of runs scored in the major leagues...
as i said many times.. they need a big bat or two in the lineup.... whenever i've raised this issue i'm told "who would you take out?"... .as if the hitters who are next to last in the league in hitting are so great or something
the nats had a lucky break last year.. everything went their way with laroche and morse having out of the norm seasons.... you take those morse out and have the new laroche in there and it makes a big difference.... they're a very light hitting team.. i just checked and the guy leading the team in batting is hitting 275!
the one thing i guess one could pin on the manager - other than the harper fiasco- is probably the team's makeup doesnt seem very good...
and the season i think , barring some miracle like they go out and get some major bats (which i dont' think are available), is lost.. firing the manager ain't going to change that...
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Davey does look spent though.. no energy..
This is definitely his last season.. I think he's a good baseball mind and if I was the Nats I'd keep him til the end of the season and then move him to the front office where he was before and use him as an extra set of eyes etc... .... unless the Lerners are planning on some big spending like yesterday this season is lost anyways... they don't have the bats.. Rizzo blew it IMHO, during the offseason, by not realizing they needed more bats
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Steinbrenner never had to "make a case" for firing a manager!
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Steinbrenner never had to "make a case" for firing a manager!
you're joking, right? i am hoping so.. i hope you're not trolling dude... i don't know about you anymore..
steinbrenner was just awful at handling managers.. he'd fire a guy and then rehire him.. .only when he loosened his control of the team after like 15 pretty poor seasons did things get better..
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last night davey lost that game.
so many questionable calls. storen in for the 9th? that was one of the worst managing moves i've ever seen. what a terrible waste.
he should have had soriano in there who hasn't had any work as of late. that game was a must-win, and you put soriano in that spot and you go into the 9th knowing your big hitters are coming up.
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oh, and fire the manager.
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oh, and fire the manager.
well i do think they are going to fire the manager in a few days...
who knows maybe a fresh approach will help
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Davey does look spent though.. no energy..
case and point on this was his lack of arguement on the phantom tag.
he should have wreaked havoc. he should have been in his face for 5 minutes. coaches should have had to remove him from the umpires face. he should have picked up a base and threw it. he should have kicked dirt, thrown a hissy fit, screamed, yelled like a baby, thrown his hat on the ground, etc,.
but no. davey went out. asked a question or two, and then called it a day.
fire the fucking manager.
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god damn! I nominate stevewizzle as davey's replacement. Can he work in Seattle for a day job and manage the Nationals at night?
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i accept your nomination.
when do i start?
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case and point on this was his lack of arguement on the phantom tag.
he should have wreaked havoc. he should have been in his face for 5 minutes. coaches should have had to remove him from the umpires face. he should have picked up a base and threw it. he should have kicked dirt, thrown a hissy fit, screamed, yelled like a baby, thrown his hat on the ground, etc,.
but no. davey went out. asked a question or two, and then called it a day.
fire the fucking manager.
Even Crash Davis knew "they're kids, scare 'em" - would have been a good opportunity.
Maybe he called them a bunch of lollygaggers in the shower after the game.
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You guys are not being serious.. Davey Johnson has won a World Series and got the team into the playoffs just last year...
Go Davey! Don't listen to 'em...
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Davey does look spent though.. no energy..
This is definitely his last season.. I think he's a good baseball mind and if I was the Nats I'd keep him til the end of the season and then move him to the front office where he was before and use him as an extra set of eyes etc... .... unless the Lerners are planning on some big spending like yesterday this season is lost anyways... they don't have the bats.. Rizzo blew it IMHO, during the offseason, by not realizing they needed more bats
Davey was front office before, then he came in as manager, this is definitely his last year, then he IS going back to the front office. That was the plan all along.
I don't think he'll be fired. There's just too much potential in this line-up.
They all just need to click at the same time. Right now it seems like it's only Werth slamming in runs. At one point it looked like only Span and Zimmerman could get on base, another time it looked like only Desi and Harper could. They seem super wound up. Strasburg goes out and allows 1 run and they can't muster ANYTHING!? Come on!!!
We're making every pitcher we face look like a fucking Cy Young contender.
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i accept your nomination.
when do i start?
You're a bold man Stevewizzle.
I'm pretty sure I've played/watched/listened to more baseball than anybody on this board, but I would never want to be a manager.
Now GM, that's a whole different story.
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Davey was front office before, then he came in as manager, this is definitely his last year, then he IS going back to the front office. That was the plan all along.
well yeah but if they fire him I think he won't be going back to the front office.. they lose that if they fire him is what I'm saying..
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Seems like the old guy has the owner wrapped around his finger.
Davey was front office before, then he came in as manager, this is definitely his last year, then he IS going back to the front office. That was the plan all along.
well yeah but if they fire him I think he won't be going back to the front office.. they lose that if they fire him is what I'm saying..
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i accept your nomination.
when do i start?
You're a bold man Stevewizzle.
I'm pretty sure I've played/watched/listened to more baseball than anybody on this board, but I would never want to be a manager.
Now GM, that's a whole different story.
now would be a bad time to let everyone know i scored a 1/10 on that ESPN quiz you posted a month or so back.
but watching tito get run out of boston a few years back and having a clubhouse full of assholes and watching him fall on the sword night after night really did paint that picture of how awful managers have it.
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You guys are not being serious.. Davey Johnson has won a World Series and got the team into the playoffs just last year...
Go Davey! Don't listen to 'em...
fuck that cheerleader bullshit.
this is the time when you dig in your heals as a fan and let the team know you don't put up with this kind of bullshit, and you won't accept the team underachieving to the rate they are.
that said - the nats are up 2-0 in the first, and they are only 9 games back. they essentially need to win 70% or more of their remaining games, and atlanta has to continue to hurt themselves with injuries, etc.
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You guys are not being serious.. Davey Johnson has won a World Series and got the team into the playoffs just last year...
Go Davey! Don't listen to 'em...
fuck that cheerleader bullshit.
this is the time when you dig in your heals as a fan and let the team know you don't put up with this kind of bullshit, and you won't accept the team underachieving to the rate they are.
that said - the nats are up 2-0 in the first, and they are only 9 games back. they essentially need to win 70% or more of their remaining games, and atlanta has to continue to hurt themselves with injuries, etc.
its not cheerleader bullshit dude... the guy has a track record .. he's been in the business a long time...he's been very succesful with different teams in different leagues.. he just got you to the playoffs last fricking year for the first time EVER... and before last season started i don''t think the Nats where a lock to make the offseason.. you treat him with respect and give him every chance... because if you don't your team will become a joke...
if the guy in question was manny acta- who was a terrible manager, with ZERO TRACK RECORD and I never liked- oh hells yeah i'd have fired him already but that is not the case here...
and don't act like the manager is to blame for everything man.. he's not the one not hitting the ball..
saying "oh my god we are losing fire the manager!" is good red meat but its just not good enough..
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and lets not forget that johnson took over when the team looked like ass under riggleman.. it wasn't that long ago either..
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You're not giving Manny Acta any respect because he's Latino. ;D
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its not cheerleader bullshit dude... the guy has a track record .. he's been in the business a long time...he's been very succesful with different teams in different leagues.. he just got you to the playoffs last fricking year for the first time EVER... and before last season started i don''t think the Nats where a lock to make the offseason.. you treat him with respect and give him every chance... because if you don't your team will become a joke...
if the guy in question was manny acta- who was a terrible manager, with ZERO TRACK RECORD and I never liked- oh hells yeah i'd have fired him already but that is not the case here...
and don't act like the manager is to blame for everything man.. he's not the one not hitting the ball..
saying "oh my god we are losing fire the manager!" is good red meat but its just not good enough..
man that game was lost last night by davey. if i was a player on the team last night, i would be furious. the complacency shown during this series is ridiculous. he's mis-managed the bullpen, he gives the wrong guys the wrong days off, he's fucked with the lineup an insane amount and at times it has made zero statistical sense, and they've lost 11 of 13 and the all star break has only compounded the issues, it seems.
that's ALL on the manager. he's the guy who is suppose to right this ship, and make the team competitive every at bat. he's checked out, and no one is holding him accountable.
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You're not giving Manny Acta any respect because he's Latino. ;D
Acta was a disgrace.. good lord I was so happy when he got shitcanned...
the guy must give good interview because i can't believe he found another job...
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its not cheerleader bullshit dude... the guy has a track record .. he's been in the business a long time...he's been very succesful with different teams in different leagues.. he just got you to the playoffs last fricking year for the first time EVER... and before last season started i don''t think the Nats where a lock to make the offseason.. you treat him with respect and give him every chance... because if you don't your team will become a joke...
if the guy in question was manny acta- who was a terrible manager, with ZERO TRACK RECORD and I never liked- oh hells yeah i'd have fired him already but that is not the case here...
and don't act like the manager is to blame for everything man.. he's not the one not hitting the ball..
saying "oh my god we are losing fire the manager!" is good red meat but its just not good enough..
man that game was lost last night by davey. if i was a player on the team last night, i would be furious. the complacency shown during this series is ridiculous. he's mis-managed the bullpen, he gives the wrong guys the wrong days off, he's fucked with the lineup an insane amount and at times it has made zero statistical sense, and they've lost 11 of 13 and the all star break has only compounded the issues, it seems.
that's ALL on the manager. he's the guy who is suppose to right this ship, and make the team competitive every at bat. he's checked out, and no one is holding him accountable.
dude i confess i have no idea what happened last night but weren't the nats down going into the 9th anyways?? are you assuming werth would have hit a home run or whatever had it been 1-0 because that is not what you want to do... players hit differently depending on the pressure etc..
like i said i don't know what happened
i'm not happy about davey johnson at this point either man.. who is happy with the record? nobody...
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Raise it!
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dude i confess i have no idea what happened last night but weren't the nats down going into the 9th anyways?? are you assuming werth would have hit a home run or whatever had it been 1-0 because that is not what you want to do... players hit differently depending on the pressure etc..
like i said i don't know what happened
i'm not happy about davey johnson at this point either man.. who is happy with the record? nobody...
i'll outline last nights implosion.
issue #1: sac bunting with suzuki. first off - why suzuki? second off, why sac bunt when you have scott hairston on deck? hairston strikes out looking like a fool, as he did all night by liriano.
stras pitched incredible through 8. davey marched out Drew Storen for the 9th with the heart of the Pirates order coming up.
issue #2: rafael soriano, who hasn't pitched since 7/20, is the shutdown pitcher you need in this situation. you need to keep that score 1-0, and play to tie or win it in the 9th. davey gambled, trying to get confidence back in Storen. Clippard pitched the day before, but was available. he would have been a good option as well.
storen imploded. he can't hold runners, so once someone is on, they are guaranteed scoring position. storen gives up 3 runs, and can't finish his inning.
bottom of the 9th, heart of the order up. zimmerman gets a base hit, and red-hot werth homers. the game is now 2-4. pirates grab an out with laroche, but then ramos gets on.
issue #3: span is up. he's fast, but susceptible to the grounding into double plays. he has 7, which is pretty high for someone hitting lead off most of the year. he also has no home runs on the year. i either sub ramos on the base paths, or pinch hit with harper or tracy and go for the tie.
issue #4: ump makes a bad call and calls ramos out by tag. there was no tag. davey "didn't see it", according to him during the press conference. he should have thrown a fit, the game was over and his team got fucked over.
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dude i confess i have no idea what happened last night but weren't the nats down going into the 9th anyways?? are you assuming werth would have hit a home run or whatever had it been 1-0 because that is not what you want to do... players hit differently depending on the pressure etc..
like i said i don't know what happened
Sounds to me like somebody should have watched it before commenting.
i'll outline last nights implosion.
Beautifully done. Except, that I'm going to venture to guess that Soriano might not be 100%.
the heart of the Pirates order coming up.
You mean the best team in baseball?
storen imploded.
Is now a good time to remind folks that Mike Trout was still on the board when the Nats picked Storen?
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hmm...yeah that is pretty bad...
thanks for the outline
part of me always thought- once I read about Davey's issues and saw how much he'd aged- that he was sorta over the hill..
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well smackie I wasn't commenting on last night's game
I would never base a decision on firing a manager with Davey's track record on one game...
like I said I think they will fire him.. I wouldn't though..
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Beautifully done. Except, that I'm going to venture to guess that Soriano might not be 100%.
thanks. if it were me, i would have went with clippard, but traditionally the closer is the guy for a situation like that.
not sure if soriano has something nagging him. has there been any indication? his miami BS was bad luck. didn't see the dodgers loss.
and i'm happy your "reminder" got lost in the quotes. *edit: looks like it's fixed*
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well smackie I wasn't commenting on last night's game
I would never base a decision on firing a manager with Davey's track record on one game...
like I said I think they will fire him.. I wouldn't though..
most of what i outlined wasn't just last night, but over the course of the past month.
i followed up with last nights game and the managerial shortcomings because i thought it was egregious.
i don't think they'll fire him to salvage the season. but if they did fire him, now is the time.
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Beautifully done. Except, that I'm going to venture to guess that Soriano might not be 100%.
thanks. if it were me, i would have went with clippard, but traditionally the closer is the guy for a situation like that.
not sure if soriano has something nagging him. has there been any indication? his miami BS was bad luck. didn't see the dodgers loss.
2 HR's in his last four outings, a blown save and a loss. Given 3 days off and you're right, if you're not going to use your closer in the top of the 9th down one run at home against the heart of the order, when are you going to use him?
That tells me it's more than a confidence thing.
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You mean the best team in baseball?
i'm not talking about the dodgers ;)
but seriously, the dodgers are looking dangerous. if only kemp could stay healthy.
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Beautifully done. Except, that I'm going to venture to guess that Soriano might not be 100%.
thanks. if it were me, i would have went with clippard, but traditionally the closer is the guy for a situation like that.
not sure if soriano has something nagging him. has there been any indication? his miami BS was bad luck. didn't see the dodgers loss.
2 HR's in his last four outings, a blown save and a loss. Given 3 days off and you're right, if you're not going to use your closer in the top of the 9th down one run at home against the heart of the order, when are you going to use him?
That tells me it's more than a confidence thing.
the miami hr was good hitting, IIRC.
4 blown saves in 29 opportunities though. woof.
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4 blown saves in 29 opportunities though. woof.
Trade that contract, or at least put him on waivers next month if things don't improve and see if someone is desperate enough to pick it up.
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but seriously, the dodgers are looking dangerous. if only kemp could stay healthy.
If only we could all play in the NL West....
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4 blown saves in 29 opportunities though. woof.
Trade that contract, or at least put him on waivers next month if things don't improve and see if someone is desperate enough to pick it up.
seriously. the demand for a closer has never been so high. so many contenders without a solid closer.
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We'll see how they play today. I can only follow on Twitter and the weird pitch tracker thing on their site. Getting 4 runs is good.....using Pirates 3 errors means they could still have 0 runs though...
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Wow, Soriano and Krol are pulling a Jim Johnson.
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They pulled it out, but from what I saw/heard they didn't really deserve to win. I'll take it though.
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what were you saying about soriano being injured, smackie?
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they didn't really deserve to win.
Another instance today of bases loaded + none out and coming up empty.
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what were you saying about soriano being injured, smackie?
IP: 0.1
H: 2
R: 4
ER: 4
BB: 2
SO: 1
PC/Strikes: 25-14
Well, he did strike a guy out and didn't give up a HR, so I could be mistaken...
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they didn't really deserve to win.
Another instance today of bases loaded + none out and coming up empty.
If it weren't for the Pirates 3 errors in this game, could have been back to back sweeps.
I'll enjoy the highlights when I get home. Good to see Bam Bam hitting taters again.
Is this their 2nd walk off win of the year?
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Is this their 2nd walk off win of the year?
Technically the second, but it's the first by a real hit. The first was a from a sac-fly. (At least that's what they were saying on the radio.) It was Harper's 1st walkoff homer though.
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so... looks like we drop the first game of the double header, unless there is a miraculous comeback.
and harvey vs. ohlendorf tonight. gee, i wonder how that goes.
continue to be amazed at the nats ability to redefine rock bottom.
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I thought of you last night when I was watching SC and saw that Davey got tossed. Bet he's reading this board....
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I thought of you last night when I was watching SC and saw that Davey got tossed. Bet he's reading this board....
oh shit i missed that.
i probably typed that response as he was getting thrown out.
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What was the reasoning for putting Storen in with a 102 degree fever?
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11-0
plumbing the depths
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What was the reasoning for putting Storen in with a 102 degree fever?
Desperation.
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What was the reasoning for putting Storen in with a 102 degree fever?
Desperation.
I was thinking more like Davey showing us all how awful doubleheaders are.
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What was the reasoning for putting Storen in with a 102 degree fever?
Desperation.
and then sent to AAA.
hahaha. holy fuck.
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I've been to three games this year, and they've won 7-4, 7-0, and 14-1. They really just need to give me season tickets and a free beer for each game. Dan Haren even won a game that I was at.
Oh, and btw, someone in my family says Taylor Jordan looks like SteveWizzle.
(http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/northernvasports.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/d/f0/df02d018-a777-11e2-b93c-0019bb30f31a/516ec80831719.image.jpg)
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I've been to three games this year, and they've won 7-4, 7-0, and 14-1. They really just need to give me season tickets and a free beer for each game. Dan Haren even won a game that I was at.
did you find the dc brau / port city stand?
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I've been to three games this year, and they've won 7-4, 7-0, and 14-1. They really just need to give me season tickets and a free beer for each game. Dan Haren even won a game that I was at.
did you find the dc brau / port city stand?
Somewhere in the 300s, forget the section number...
I boycotted them after the 6 game win streak, now they've won 4 of 5. I'll continue boycotting them. They seem to really beat up on the Mets. I've said all season "Let's see if it carries over!" and it never does. Beating the Mets is like beating.......The Mets, I guess.
Who thinks they'll get 14 runs total through Sunday?
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Actually, its SEction 139.
http://www.dcbeer.com/news/inside-story-local-beer-nationals-stadium
DC Brau (pale ale), Port City (witbier), Three Stars (couldn't tell which beer and doubt the person manning the stand would know), and Mad Fox (couldn't tell which beer).
It's nice that they have those local options, but for the same price, I went with a Hennepin. ;D
I've been to three games this year, and they've won 7-4, 7-0, and 14-1. They really just need to give me season tickets and a free beer for each game. Dan Haren even won a game that I was at.
did you find the dc brau / port city stand?
Somewhere in the 300s, forget the section number...
I boycotted them after the 6 game win streak, now they've won 4 of 5. I'll continue boycotting them. They seem to really beat up on the Mets. I've said all season "Let's see if it carries over!" and it never does. Beating the Mets is like beating.......The Mets, I guess.
Who thinks they'll get 14 runs total through Sunday?
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It's almost as if Strasburg is the next Cliff Lee instead of the next Nolan Ryan.
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Boooooooooooooooooo
1 run down! 13 more to go for the week! Any takers!?
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It's almost as if Strasburg is the next Cliff Lee instead of the next Nolan Ryan.
I don't know that he's even the next Cliff Lee...Cliff Lee in his prime was a heck of a pitcher....could guarantee you wins in the postseason..
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It's almost as if Strasburg is the next Cliff Lee instead of the next Nolan Ryan.
I don't know that he's even the next Cliff Lee...Cliff Lee in his prime was a heck of a pitcher....could guarantee you wins in the postseason..
Strasburg hasn't even been in the postseason.... I guess..... Damn it.
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LOL 10-1?!?!?!?!
10 TO FUCKING 1 IN THE 4TH GOD DAMN INNING ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?
2 runs down! 12 more to go!
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I don't like how the catcher goes right after Bam Bam and the umpire holds him back. If I were in the Nats dug out I would have gone right for the catcher. Fuck that.
The Barves and Nats Twitter exchaned a tweet over the altercation.
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I don't like how the catcher goes right after Bam Bam and the umpire holds him back. If I were in the Nats dug out I would have gone right for the catcher. Fuck that.
What you really shouldn't like is that there's no one in the lineup that can protect him.
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Just another example of the team having no heart.
They can't stop runners from stealing, they can't score god damn runs, there's no leader in the clubhouse that will stand up and call people on their bullshit. Letting the opposing team steal doesn't win games. Stranding runners doesn't win games. They are about to be close to 14 games back and it doesn't even seem like they care.
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Just another example of the team having no heart.
They can't stop runners from stealing, they can't score god damn runs, there's no leader in the clubhouse that will stand up and call people on their bullshit. Letting the opposing team steal doesn't win games. Stranding runners doesn't win games. They are about to be close to 14 games back and it doesn't even seem like they care.
wait a minute its like almost all the same players from last year.. what? they don't have heart now? they did last year? they lost it in spring training??
oh big strikeout of laroche right now in the 9th... that was a very big at bat...i think that may be the end for the season...
i think people always say a team has no heart when it loses but its a pretty questionable way of looking at things..
why isn't it also possible to say that the team simply overperformed last year and couldn't replicate it this year?
also does anyone else find Santangelo incredibly annoying.. i cant stand him....he's such a kissass.. all he does is talk about how great all the players are...and his voice just grates....
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I love FP, but I know he really grates on a lot of people. I agree he's too much of a cheerleader at times, but I like him calling the games. I'd like to get Ray in the booth more. He'd definitely tell you what he thinks.
I think the team just bought into their own hype. I got so tired of hearing that it's only April...It's only May...There are still 100 games left....It's not even the All-Star break...We're going to crush it the second half... They never had a sense of urgency about things and now it's too late. They seem genuinely surprised that things didn't just fall into their lap.
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Just another example of the team having no heart.
They can't stop runners from stealing, they can't score god damn runs, there's no leader in the clubhouse that will stand up and call people on their bullshit. Letting the opposing team steal doesn't win games. Stranding runners doesn't win games. They are about to be close to 14 games back and it doesn't even seem like they care.
wait a minute its like almost all the same players from last year.. what? they don't have heart now? they did last year? they lost it in spring training??
oh big strikeout of laroche right now in the 9th... that was a very big at bat...i think that may be the end for the season...
i think people always say a team has no heart when it loses but its a pretty questionable way of looking at things..
why isn't it also possible to say that the team simply overperformed last year and couldn't replicate it this year?
also does anyone else find Santangelo incredibly annoying.. i cant stand him....he's such a kissass.. all he does is talk about how great all the players are...and his voice just grates....
good post.
laroche was a total over-performer last year. so was the bullpen.
last years team had guys that could go deep anywhere in the lineup. morse and espinosa come to mind, then you have a hot-hitting laroche batting cleanup and that is a power lineup who can produce runs.
this years team has a sort-of identity crisis. they pick up a speed guy like span, lose power in their starting line-up and their bench, and they struggle and start shifting the line-up around so much that no one can find rhythm. are they a speed and small ball team? their lineup these days seem to suggest that's their approach.
I disagree with your FP gripe. I think his voice is great, he has an appropriate amount of homerism, and he offers really good commentary. he explains situations well and accurate, and he loves the team.
i would hate to see ray in the booth. the combo they have now is great.
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I love FP. He explains situations a lot, I think you can hear some negativity in Bob's voice. It seems almost every other inning [if not every inning] they're going 1 2 3. Huge spot last night with loaded bases and can't bring in anyone or keep the line moving? Braves were through their rotation by the middle of the 2nd inning.
No one will step up and call them out on their bullshit. At this point you might as well fire Davey, I can't believe I'm saying it, but that seems to be the only way to wake the team up. In post game conferences he doesn't have the answers, he has no idea what's wrong with the team. Last night he said Jordan Zimmermann had some neck soreness, Jordan's response to that was "That's the first I'm hearing of it." The division is lost, they're like 9 games out of the wild card, the season is over. They haven't won more than 3 or 4 in a row all season, they won't start now.
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i had no objection to fp last year, but hes really gotten on my nerves a lot this year. homerism is ok, optimism is fine, but theres a point where its just ridiculous, and he reached it long ago. this team has never given any signs that theyre gonna snap out of it and make a run at the playoffs, but if you listen to fp theyve been on the verge all year. "too much talent," "only a matter of time" etc. bob at least seems to recognize the miserable performances when a nat hits a wimpy popup in a big situation or strikes out looking. fp will call them good at bats.
now it seems like every game hes trying to argue that the impending taylor jordan shutdown is anywhere near the level of the strasburg shutdown? come on. i know hes half joking but he wouldnt keep bringing it up if he didnt somewhat believe it too.
anyway this seasons been a lost cause for a while but this last home sweep by the braves has buried them for good. there's no coming back from that.
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People need to remember that TV personalities are employees of the ball club now - they are no longer employees of the network.
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People need to remember that TV personalities are employees of the ball club now - they are no longer employees of the network.
oh i know that.... but there is a limit, no?
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oh i know that.... but there is a limit, no?
They are marketers, pure and simple, with some knowledge of the game to make the viewer think they are providing sound commentary.
Pat yourself on the back for recognizing the silliness here, but don't expect a change. It's a 3-4 hour commercial for the ball club.
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What you really shouldn't like is that there's no one in the lineup that can protect him.
Apparently, on either side of the ball:
Bryce Harper would have liked to have seen a little retaliation after he got drilled the other day.
He was on Comcast and said this:
?I think if I?m the pitcher on my team, I think I?m gonna drill somebody,? he said of the lack of retribution on Tuesday. ?It?s something that?s part of the game, you know, yesterday, and it?s also something that I think could light a fire for us. But, like I said, we?re 14 1/2 games back and we don?t need anybody getting ejected or doing anything like that. We got a great team and we gotta push to the end.?
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Last year JZimm plunked someone after they hit Bam Bam earlier in the game. Tit for tat.
Got free tickets on the club level for tonight. Gonna boo the shit out of the Phillies. Hate those fuckers.
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Went to the game on Friday and had a blast. We were sitting in the club level and our seats were behind home plate. Had a couple foul balls land close to us, but we didn't catch any. Offensively, it was good to see the line moving. I hate thinking that we just whooped up on the Phils, but maybe this could be the start of something. Strasburg pitched out of his mind yesterday. I was blown away that he walked out of the 8th with just 90 pitches. Philly fans kept chanting "Werthless" whenever Werth was up to bat, I think he was 2 of 3 on Friday, so I didn't get it. A charming lady behind me stood up and chanted "DICKLESS" to those guys. It was fun.
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People need to remember that TV personalities are employees of the ball club now - they are no longer employees of the network.
oh i know that.... but there is a limit, no?
ask Steve Stone:
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/nl/cubs/2004-10-28-stone_x.htm
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werth cracked me up in the postgame interview saturday night after his HR and the win
"We still got a long way to go...."
eh, yeah....
Washington is just the most optimistic sports town which sets you up for the fall.. personally i wouldnt say we got a long way to go after a 2 game win streak and a 4-6 record in your last 10
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ask Steve Stone:
Anybody who's willing to sit in the booth night after night with Hawk Harrelson must have really hated his previous job.
That being said, there's no stronger "homers" in the game than the White Sox announcers, so I'm not sure what he accomplished.
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I've been to three games this year, and they've won 7-4, 7-0, and 14-1. They really just need to give me season tickets and a free beer for each game. Dan Haren even won a game that I was at.
Well I almost had a fourth win for them. My daughter and I cut out in the top of the 9th with the Nats up 3-1.
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I've been to three games this year, and they've won 7-4, 7-0, and 14-1. They really just need to give me season tickets and a free beer for each game. Dan Haren even won a game that I was at.
Well I almost had a fourth win for them. My daughter and I cut out in the top of the 9th with the Nats up 3-1.
nevermind
my heart just isnt in it
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I've been to three games this year, and they've won 7-4, 7-0, and 14-1. They really just need to give me season tickets and a free beer for each game. Dan Haren even won a game that I was at.
Well I almost had a fourth win for them. My daughter and I cut out in the top of the 9th with the Nats up 3-1.
.....................................................what
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First you lose your teeth; then you lose your job.
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what the hell is going on tonight?
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fucking Soriano
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easily the weirdest game of the year.
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I didn't catch the Saturday game until the 8th inning, my friend was explaining to me why Stras and Davey were tossed. Is Stras injured? Or is he just piss poor at trying to plunking guys?
I fucking hated seeing Bam Bam get plunked twice and there being no retaliation. 3 of the last 4 times he was plunked it's been by Atlanta. Seeing those fucking hillbillies stand up, applause, and high 5 was fucking sickening. I almost choked my TV. I guess we got the last laugh on Saturday but...come on.
Hard fought series against one of the best in baseball and a division rival. Hopefully this lights a fire under their ass......Just enough to barely miss the playoffs.
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I didn't catch the Saturday game until the 8th inning, my friend was explaining to me why Stras and Davey were tossed. Is Stras injured? Or is he just piss poor at trying to plunking guys?
I fucking hated seeing Bam Bam get plunked twice and there being no retaliation. 3 of the last 4 times he was plunked it's been by Atlanta. Seeing those fucking hillbillies stand up, applause, and high 5 was fucking sickening. I almost choked my TV. I guess we got the last laugh on Saturday but...come on.
Hard fought series against one of the best in baseball and a division rival. Hopefully this lights a fire under their ass......Just enough to barely miss the playoffs.
As a descendant of family from the Appalachian foothills, I take offense to the Braves being called Hillbillies. They're definitely red necks. Hillbillies are far more functional members of society.
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why did nats get david dejesus only to put him on waivers?
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I didn't catch the Saturday game until the 8th inning, my friend was explaining to me why Stras and Davey were tossed. Is Stras injured? Or is he just piss poor at trying to plunking guys?
I fucking hated seeing Bam Bam get plunked twice and there being no retaliation. 3 of the last 4 times he was plunked it's been by Atlanta. Seeing those fucking hillbillies stand up, applause, and high 5 was fucking sickening. I almost choked my TV. I guess we got the last laugh on Saturday but...come on.
Hard fought series against one of the best in baseball and a division rival. Hopefully this lights a fire under their ass......Just enough to barely miss the playoffs.
As a descendant of family from the Appalachian foothills, I take offense to the Braves being called Hillbillies. They're definitely red necks. Hillbillies are far more functional members of society.
Hillbillies.
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why did nats get david dejesus only to put him on waivers?
They were probably blocking some other team they are chasing from picking him up.
Now they can control whom he goes to next.
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If you could deal Haren to a contender based on his performance post All Star Break, that would be a real coup.
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i fully expect that to happen
hes not gonna be back next year, and hes pitching incredibly lately, so rizzo would be a fool not to try to get something for him now. i think the only thing preventing it is misguided hope that this season isnt over for the nats yet
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It's not! They're only 15 games out of the wild card spot! And 95 out of the division! With like 20 games left or something!
WE GOT THIS!!! #HTTR
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Philly Shark
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i was surprised to see they are 7 games out and 31 games left on a super easy schedule.
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7 is a lot to do... The offense has woken up, even if it has been against a train of weak teams. Maybe their confidence is coming back with the pummeling they've been laying on some of these teams.
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4 game winning streak?
Season high 6 games over .500?
21-9 in the last 30?
6 games out of the wild card with 18 to go?
Jayson Werth hitting out of his mind?
Denard Span 21 game hitting streak?
Bam Bam back in the line-up tonight?
Eh?
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Who is Bam Bam and why would he let people call him that?
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4 game winning streak?
Season high 6 games over .500?
21-9 in the last 30?
6 games out of the wild card with 18 to go?
Jayson Werth hitting out of his mind?
Denard Span 21 game hitting streak?
Bam Bam back in the line-up tonight?
Eh?
I think this was the best take (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA) I saw on this sentiment. Plus they're selling playoff tickets...
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another way to spin it.
6 games out, after being 7 games out on August 28 when I posted. That's a two week spread of time.
At this rate, they'll catch the pirates in 12 weeks!
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another way to spin it.
6 games out, after being 7 games out on August 28 when I posted. That's a two week spread of time.
At this rate, they'll catch the pirates in 12 weeks!
Plus a third of the remaining games for the Pirates and the Reds are against each other, so unless one team sweeps, it's tough to gain ground on either team.
Cubs, Brewers, Astros, Mets, and Padres are the remaining teams they face. But stranger things have happened, especially in the last two years.
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Who is Bam Bam and why would he let people call him that?
Bryce Harper... I believe Jayson Werth coined the phrase last year after he slammed his bat against a wall last year and it broke and slammed him in the face and cut him open. Silly rookies.
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Fire the manager?
Just as kind of a ceremonial apology to the fans for failing them this year?
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Fire the manager?
Just as kind of a ceremonial apology to the fans for failing them this year?
I think he's retiring anyway, right?
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Yeah, but that doesn't make the fans, who spent their hard earned dough on tickets and overpriced beer, feel any better. Some sort of gesture is needed, like firing the manager. This is DC. We're entitled.
Fire the manager?
Just as kind of a ceremonial apology to the fans for failing them this year?
I think he's retiring anyway, right?
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Yeah, but that doesn't make the fans, who spent their hard earned dough on tickets and overpriced beer, feel any better. Some sort of gesture is needed, like firing the manager. This is DC. We're entitled.
It's too early on a Monday morning for me to tell entirely, but you are being tongue-in-cheek, yes?
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Yep, you got it. Let the old guy bow out and hire someone younger and hungrier I guess is the plan.
It's sports, so who really cares? We have Islamic terrorists going around the world killing non-Muslims. That seems like a bigger problem.
Yeah, but that doesn't make the fans, who spent their hard earned dough on tickets and overpriced beer, feel any better. Some sort of gesture is needed, like firing the manager. This is DC. We're entitled.
It's too early on a Monday morning for me to tell entirely, but you are being tongue-in-cheek, yes?
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Wellp. It's been a fun run here at the end of the season. Remember when we got those back to back 100 loss seasons? Yeesh.
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Wellp. It's been a fun run here at the end of the season. Remember when we got those back to back 100 loss seasons? Yeesh.
yeah ..awesome winning games when it means nothing
kind of like losing games when it means nothing
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Yeah, they should have just lost all their games this season.
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I'm glad I stayed for both games yesterday. The first one was a disaster, while the second one was all kinds of exciting. A walk-off win (even on an error) was a much better way to go out than that earlier debacle.
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Yeah, they should have just lost all their games this season.
they won when they had no pressure because they knew they couldn't make the playoffs....all of a sudden when it meant nothing they all started hitting.... of course one would rather win but their record overstates how poor the season was....they underperformed and where out of it early.. now some people, probably the same people who go "Oh yeah the redskins are doing great!", will say the Nats had a good season because of how they ended... I don't see it.... this team should have made the playoffs and the season was a complete failure...
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So, the way we should look at a team is by where they were at their worst? So, the Redskins were 3-6 last year. Doesn't everyone always say you are what your record says. If that's true, the Nats are 84-73 and the Redskins are 0-3.
Yes, they underperformed, yes the expectations were as high as they could be, yes they missed the playoffs, but honestly, isn't every year a team misses the playoffs a disappointment? Would you rather have them just not performed to end the season? And then what? Have everyone doubt the team they had? Just an off season of negativity? Last season was awesome and unexpected and raised everyone's expectations. But I won't be overly negative. 2 back to back winning seasons and a division penant under our belt after years and years of being everyone's door mats. I'm fine with that. They're still a young team and tons of potential.
Fucking sucks they got eliminated though. Made last nights worse hurt a little more.
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So, the way we should look at a team is by where they were at their worst? So, the Redskins were 3-6 last year. Doesn't everyone always say you are what your record says. If that's true, the Nats are 84-73 and the Redskins are 0-3.
Yes, they underperformed, yes the expectations were as high as they could be, yes they missed the playoffs, but honestly, isn't every year a team misses the playoffs a disappointment? Would you rather have them just not performed to end the season? And then what? Have everyone doubt the team they had? Just an off season of negativity? Last season was awesome and unexpected and raised everyone's expectations. But I won't be overly negative. 2 back to back winning seasons and a division penant under our belt after years and years of being everyone's door mats. I'm fine with that. They're still a young team and tons of potential.
Fucking sucks they got eliminated though. Made last nights worse hurt a little more.
oh I just think they shouldnt buy into their own hype...and go out and get better in the offseason... they did not do what they needed to do last offseason.. GET A BIG BAT... i still think they have to do that.. don't assume ramos and werth and span will pickup where they left off.... invest some money.
in this town you win a few games and everyone has you winning the championship the next year.. how's that working out for the redskins?
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When is Bryce Harper going to become the "big bat"? About a year before he signs with the Yankees?
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When is Bryce Harper going to become the "big bat"? About a year before he signs with the Yankees?
I didn't mean to say they don't have any big bats... i mean that they need another one...
its kind of like insurance.. you can't assume everybody will be performing at their peak and not get injured
as far as harper.... he is still very young..but he may never be the big bat...or he may be...... .look at Zim... Zim never made the jump.
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When is Bryce Harper going to become the "big bat"?
As soon as he learns to play with control. Until then, you may as well just call him "The Next One" because the similarities are obvious.
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i think harper was on his way to a monster season before the injuries. not an excuse since they were his own fault, but still a positive sign that he can live up to the hype if hes careful enough
as for this season, total disappointment, but good to see them eventually play good baseball for a sustained period. doesnt excuse all the poor play early, but i feel better heading into 2014 than i would have if theyd stumbled to the finish line this year
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So, the way we should look at a team is by where they were at their worst? So, the Redskins were 3-6 last year. Doesn't everyone always say you are what your record says. If that's true, the Nats are 84-73 and the Redskins are 0-3.
Yes, they underperformed, yes the expectations were as high as they could be, yes they missed the playoffs, but honestly, isn't every year a team misses the playoffs a disappointment? Would you rather have them just not performed to end the season? And then what? Have everyone doubt the team they had? Just an off season of negativity? Last season was awesome and unexpected and raised everyone's expectations. But I won't be overly negative. 2 back to back winning seasons and a division penant under our belt after years and years of being everyone's door mats. I'm fine with that. They're still a young team and tons of potential.
Fucking sucks they got eliminated though. Made last nights worse hurt a little more.
oh I just think they shouldnt buy into their own hype...and go out and get better in the offseason... they did not do what they needed to do last offseason.. GET A BIG BAT... i still think they have to do that.. don't assume ramos and werth and span will pickup where they left off.... invest some money.
in this town you win a few games and everyone has you winning the championship the next year.. how's that working out for the redskins?
I forgot football season only 3 weeks. I won't write off their season til the season is over or until they're mathematically eliminated.
Weren't we 3-6 last year? Again, that probably won't happen again, but still. Don't count a team out until they're out. Braves blew a 9 game lead just 2 seasons ago. Anything can happen and it isn't over until it. is. over.
No one picked the Redskins to win the Super Bowl this year. A LOT of people picked the Nats to win the World Series.
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It seems like Johnson would have went with a stronger lineup in an attempt to win his final game, rather than the scrub lineup they sent out there.
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Fire Davey!
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Just looked back at a couple baseball preview issues.
World Series pick:
Sporting News: Angels over Nationals
Sports Illustrated: Nationals over Rays
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Shit! Must have been the first time sports publications have been wrong about something.
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I'm sure for the right money the Nats could hire him but they won't do that.. they will prefer to go in house and go cheap...
edit: just to add a bit more on the nats direction, i think they should go with a smaller name guy. no dusty baker, no jim leyland, no joe girardi (obviously), no established name that would add even more pressure on this team to win big. idk if im sold on randy knorr but i like that direction a lot more than any of the big name guys
I think the Nat's talk should stay in the Nat's thread.
Ausmus would be cheap and would provide the team new life which the team needs aftet this season.
So he meets both of your requirements.
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im on board with ausmus, though im not all that familiar with him. everything ive read seems like hes exactly the kind of guy the nats need right now. plus, catchers tend to do well as managers.
my hesitance with knorr (or to a lesser extent, jewett) is the fresh blood thing. i guess its good that the team is already familiar with him, but i think they need a bit of a shakeup. nothing drastic, but i fear hiring davey's right hand man will just continue a lot of the nats' bad habits from last year.
im not opposed to ripken (the experience argument against him is silly. the guy has spent his whole life around baseball, and that has to count for something), but i dont think itll happen. too big a risk of a.) the pr disaster of disappointing performance and having to consider firing a local legend and b.) cal eventually bolting should the orioles job open up. mostly i think it comes back to the pressure thing. this team doesnt need more of it, and hiring a hall of fame player to manage is an invitation for the media to pile it on
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I prefer experience.. a proven winner. except in the case of Cal and anybody waiting in the wings baseball GM Smackie endorses....
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you want a proven winner so you want dusty baker?
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you want a proven winner so you want dusty baker?
Dusty's gotten enough teams in the playoffs to be a proven winner in my book...
I didn't say a World Series winner did I?
why so argumentative dude..its boring.
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but if experience matters so much why is regular season success good enough. the nats choked just fine in the playoffs without dusty, they dont need him around to destroy the pitching staff in the process
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but if experience matters so much why is regular season success good enough. the nats choked just fine in the playoffs without dusty, they dont need him around to destroy the pitching staff in the process
well... I don't know...I mean I don't think there are any guarantees the Nats will make the playoffs again... until proven wrong to me last year was a fluke...
I like managers with decades managing...different teams...
my worst nightmare is a guy like Manny Acta..
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For what it's worth, my buddy, who's a sports personality, says he'll be all but shocked if the Nat's don't hire Matt Williams.
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For what it's worth, my buddy, who's a sports personality, says he'll be all but shocked if the Nat's don't hire Matt Williams.
yah.. him and knorr are the two guys i heard are the main contenders..
I find these choices rather boring but who knows... I mean maybe Williams turns into the next Girardi..of course when the Yankees hired Girardi he had some proven experience..
I'm wary of giving new guys a shot.. cal is an exception to this rule.. i like what i hear from him as a commentator... I think if you're spending tens of millions on player contracts you should spend some good money on getting the best manager to handle those players... but i'm not sure who that even is.. I'm sure Leyland doesn't want the job and Dusty Baker seems controversial....
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doesnt mike matheny kinda shoot down the "managing experience is critical" thing?
i mean sure he inherited a winner tony la russa helped build, but hes done a damn good job on his own since then.
i agree that cal's been great on tbs. idk if hes treating it as a sort of coaching audition, but his analysis has been great.
my question on the matt williams thing is what would that do to the coaching staff? does he get to assemble his own or is that rizzo's call? knorr seemed to be gunning pretty hard for the coaching job late this year, so i cant see him hanging around if he doesnt get it. ive got no opinion on schu as a hitting coach (or either base coach, really) but i so hope mccatty sticks around. the pitchers seem to love that guy
the thing is, you say "the best manager to handle those players," which is why the whole thing's really a bit of a crapshoot. how can you know who the best manager to handle your players is without having him go out and actually do it. ozzie guillen had loads of experience but his time in miami was a disaster. im not comparing the nats to the marlins in any way, its just hard to see how a guy will fit in with your specific group of players.
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doesnt mike matheny kinda shoot down the "managing experience is critical" thing?
i mean sure he inherited a winner tony la russa helped build, but hes done a damn good job on his own since then.
i agree that cal's been great on tbs. idk if hes treating it as a sort of coaching audition, but his analysis has been great.
my question on the matt williams thing is what would that do to the coaching staff? does he get to assemble his own or is that rizzo's call? knorr seemed to be gunning pretty hard for the coaching job late this year, so i cant see him hanging around if he doesnt get it. ive got no opinion on schu as a hitting coach (or either base coach, really) but i so hope mccatty sticks around. the pitchers seem to love that guy
the thing is, you say "the best manager to handle those players," which is why the whole thing's really a bit of a crapshoot. how can you know who the best manager to handle your players is without having him go out and actually do it. ozzie guillen had loads of experience but his time in miami was a disaster. im not comparing the nats to the marlins in any way, its just hard to see how a guy will fit in with your specific group of players.
of course you can find a great manager with no experience but its far riskier.. for every Matheny you will have many Actas but at the end of the day everybody has to start somewhere , right?
I just don't see why one would risk that.. look for a guy with experience who embodies what you need in a manager.. and pay a lot of money for a good one.. that is what I would do...I just don't know who is on the market now that I would want... Maddon is not going anywhere...
of course you can give a new guy the shot and he could turn out to be the next great manager.. but its a risk.. and if i had a team worth hundreds of millions of dollars i would be very risk averse
i mean look at the nats track record:
1. frank robinson... lots of experience..i would say he was a good manager..i would have kept him actually.
2. acta. no experience .. a total failure in my book.the worst manager ever... he must give good interview to keep getting jobs
3. riggleman.. ok this guy had experience but a pretty mediocre record.. i think he had basically managed loser teams all his life....
4. davey...lots of experience.. a good manager in my opinion but maybe a bit past his shelf life. .i think he aged a lot when his daughter died.. i still think he was a good call and did well... but he was not the davey of before..
but guys like hurdle, maddon, even showalter.. middle age guys with proven managing experience and some success..that would be ideal... by my own criteria leyland and baker might be a bit past their shelf life.. not sure who else is available..
anyways all moot..they will get a nobody with no experience.
of course they could offer larussa $10 million a year and see if he bites...offer to build him a few animal shelters or something... ;D. i found larussa kind of maddening but in the end had to agree he got results... but yeah i'd rather have larussa than some guy with no managing experience.. is that crazy? seems rational to me.. when you have an airplane do you want a guy with no flying experience to take you to paris? when you go to war do you put a liutenant in charge or a general who fought in the previous war?
oh there's also charlie manuel.. i can't believe the phillies let him go.... and manuel has the benefit that he would know the division backwards and forwards... of course they'll never go for it ..first of all i'm guessing the lerners will want to be cheap as usual and getting a guy with no experience is cheap... why do you think that is?
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Joe Maddon had two 10 day stints as interim manager in Anaheim before he was hired by Tampa to be their manager. He was Anaheim's bench coach for years before that. At that time, Bud Black was the pitching coach, and went on to San Diego for his first managers job and did well for a few years before the money dried up in SD. I wish both of them were still in Anaheim.
Brad Ausmus is one of Bud Black's bench coaches at the moment.
Including Maddon and Black, the following managers are in their first jobs:
Ventura (ChiSox), Porter (Houston), Scioscia (Anaheim), Washington (Texas), Gibbons (in his second stint with Toronto), Gibson (AZ), Weiss (CO), Mattingly (LA), Redmond (FLA), Roenicke (MIL), Sandberg (PHI), Matheny (Stl).
And there are four three vacant positions now that Pryce will be named the Reds coach. He has no managerial experience.
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For what it's worth, my buddy, who's a sports personality, says he'll be all but shocked if the Nat's don't hire Matt Williams.
Unless Gibson goes to Detroit.
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Report: Matt Williams to Become Nationals Manager
http://www.nbcwashington.com/blogs/capital-games/Report-Matt-Williams-To-Become-Nationals-Manager-229241191.html
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nepotism at its finest..
"hey, he's buddies with the GM!"
that's what counts..
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nepotism at its finest..
"hey, he's buddies with the GM!"
that's what counts..
I've spent the last 2 years watching a team where the manager and GM don't get along and don't see eye to eye.
They've spent $300 million, are locked into at least $600 million more over the next 4-8 years on 4 players, and finished 6 games under .500 this year.
It's a big damn deal if they get along.
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nepotism at its finest..
"hey, he's buddies with the GM!"
that's what counts..
I've spent the last 2 years watching a team where the manager and GM don't get along and don't see eye to eye.
They've spent $300 million, are locked into at least $600 million more over the next 4-8 years on 4 players, and finished 6 games under .500 this year.
It's a big damn deal if they get along.
of course its necessary they see eye to eye and get along....but hiring people cause they used to be your drinking buddy back in the good old days when you were getting started...
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what a hoot!
Rizzo on Matt Williams hiring:
?He is exceptionally prepared for the task. Matt came into the interview process already possessing an extensive knowledge of our organization: our roster, our Minor League system ? and our fan base."
I'm sorry I must be missing something because Williams worked with Arizona... the guys with the extensive knowledge where all passed over..
This hiring was probably decided on about a year ago..
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Do you have something against bald guys too?
what a hoot!
Rizzo on Matt Williams hiring:
?He is exceptionally prepared for the task. Matt came into the interview process already possessing an extensive knowledge of our organization: our roster, our Minor League system ? and our fan base."
I'm sorry I must be missing something because Williams worked with Arizona... the guys with the extensive knowledge where all passed over..
This hiring was probably decided on about a year ago..
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Do you have something against bald guys too?
what a hoot!
Rizzo on Matt Williams hiring:
?He is exceptionally prepared for the task. Matt came into the interview process already possessing an extensive knowledge of our organization: our roster, our Minor League system ? and our fan base."
I'm sorry I must be missing something because Williams worked with Arizona... the guys with the extensive knowledge where all passed over..
This hiring was probably decided on about a year ago..
Not sure how I feel about an admitted HGH user on his third marriage at 47...
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none of those things are relevant to his managing capabilities
i dont doubt that rizzo had his mind more or less made up on this a while ago, but i also dont see why williams is such a bad hire.
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none of those things are relevant to his managing capabilities
i dont doubt that rizzo had his mind more or less made up on this a while ago, but i also dont see why williams is such a bad hire.
what makes him a good hire? according to rizzo its his extensive knowledge of the Nats minor league system and fanbase.
this is a joke? he has a better knowledge of the Nats roster, minor leaguers and fanbase than Knorr?
this is pure nepotism... a friendship should get you an interview.. not a job... there is no doubt this was decided a long time ago... and the whole manager search process never existed... now that would be ok if matt williams actually had proven experience but since he doesn't its called nepotism.. rizzo could have found somebody he got along with who had some experience...
whether matt williams ends up being a great coach or a terrible one will not change, in my mind, that the hiring process was shady...
and i ain't going to go rah rah rah everything the Nats organization does, from the usher to the Lerners is great..sorry.. some people think that is what being a fan is about..i don't.
in fact, arguably, i'd feel much better about this hiring if it wasn't motivated by the Rizzo-Williams friendship..then I could say "oh well, he has no managerial experience but they made the hiring mainly on baseball terms as should be the case."
and people who say that character has no relevance I guess think Jim Bowden was a swell GM too? sitting there getting drunk off his ass with his bimbos before getting ready to do some drunk driving....
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nepotism at its finest..
"hey, he's buddies with the GM!"
that's what counts..
I've spent the last 2 years watching a team where the manager and GM don't get along and don't see eye to eye.
They've spent $300 million, are locked into at least $600 million more over the next 4-8 years on 4 players, and finished 6 games under .500 this year.
It's a big damn deal if they get along.
see: boston red sox 2012 vs. boston red sox 2013
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nepotism at its finest..
"hey, he's buddies with the GM!"
that's what counts..
I've spent the last 2 years watching a team where the manager and GM don't get along and don't see eye to eye.
They've spent $300 million, are locked into at least $600 million more over the next 4-8 years on 4 players, and finished 6 games under .500 this year.
It's a big damn deal if they get along.
see: boston red sox 2012 vs. boston red sox 2013
i assume you're saying farrell DID know the red sox.. he was pitching coach there for years.. you know, kind of like KNORR, and you know what: Farell DID have big league managerial experience
farrell is a better argument for hiring knorr than williams actually..
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i think i'll let williams do the job before deciding if its a good or bad hire, but im personally leaning towards good cuz, as i said before, i think this team needs an outsider to come in and shake things up a bit.
and knorr's staying around as bench coach, so for at least one year theyll have a combo of williams' fresh blood and knorr's knowledge of the nats players. seems like the best of both worlds to me.
anyway i think youre reading way too much into all the friendship talk. rizzo's certainly got a few blemishes on his record now but if he thinks this guys manager material, im inclined to believe him. from what i gather hes not been the only gm in the game very high on williams as a manager.
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i think i'll let williams do the job before deciding if its a good or bad hire, but im personally leaning towards good cuz, as i said before, i think this team needs an outsider to come in and shake things up a bit.
and knorr's staying around as bench coach, so for at least one year theyll have a combo of williams' fresh blood and knorr's knowledge of the nats players. seems like the best of both worlds to me.
anyway i think youre reading way too much into all the friendship talk. rizzo's certainly got a few blemishes on his record now but if he thinks this guys manager material, im inclined to believe him. from what i gather hes not been the only gm in the game very high on williams as a manager.
no doubt he could turn out to be a good hire...
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No qualifying offer for Haren. Smart move as you'd likely end up paying him one year, $14m.
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No qualifying offer for Haren. Smart move as you'd likely end up paying him one year, $14m.
$14.1M. Not bad if you can get it.
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$14.1M. Not bad if you can get it.
Well, they chose not to so it's not going to happen.
I think he'll move back to the West Coast on a two year deal worth about $16m-$18m total.
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itll be interesting to see what the nats do on the pitching front this offseason
even with all his comments so far i have a hard time believing rizzo is truly confident going into next year with three rotation spots completely spoken for and the last two reserved for a maybe healthy detwiler and one of a trio of unproven rookies. i keep seeing david price's name come up, and i think the price there might be a bit extreme, but ill be shocked if the nats dont bring in a quality starting pitcher or two for next year. i can be ok with one questionable rotation spot (especially with 3 or 4 total studs ahead of it) but two is a big problem
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$14.1M. Not bad if you can get it.
Well, they chose not to so it's not going to happen.
I think he'll move back to the West Coast on a two year deal worth about $16m-$18m total.
Well, the Dodgers took the risk on Haren and overpaid him at $10m, but only took the risk for one year. Must be nice...
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No qualifying offer for Haren. Smart move as you'd likely end up paying him one year, $14m.
$14.1M. Not bad if you can get it.
paging james ford. please report to the nationals thread.
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Rule #1 - never deal with Billie Beane.
Fernando Abad to Oakland (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10036799/fernando-abad-traded-oakland-athletics-washington-nationals)
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Rule #1 - never deal with Billie Beane.
Fernando Abad to Oakland (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10036799/fernando-abad-traded-oakland-athletics-washington-nationals)
I know he's prob your idol but didn't the Nats make out pretty good in the Gio trade?..cause as I remember it was a trade first...
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I know he's prob your idol but didn't the Nats make out pretty good in the Gio trade?..cause as I remember it was a trade first...
Tommy Milone and Derek Norris are starters in Oakland, AJ Cole is making his way up through the farm and is only 21.
Brad Peacock was later dealt to Houston (along with others) for Jed Lowrie and Fernando Rodriguez during a playoff run.
I would say that both teams are happy with the deal, especially since Oakland knew they couldn't afford Gio's arbitration numbers. Anytime Oakland can turn one starter into four starters, though, they're doing pretty well.
EDIT: I didn't realize the Nats had designated him for assignment. Getting anybody in November for a player designated for assignment is a win, though I doubt John Wooten ever makes the big league club.
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Nats want $300 million for a roof over the stadium?
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Washington-Nationals-Propose-Costly-Roof-For-Ballpark-233519231.html
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Doug Fister to the Nats for three players!
In exchange, the Nationals sent infielder Steve Lombardozzi, left-hander Ian Krol and minor league lefty Robbie Ray to the Tigers.
I guess I'm not getting Rick Porcello. Dammit.
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Doug Fister to the Nats for three players!
In exchange, the Nationals sent infielder Steve Lombardozzi, left-hander Ian Krol and minor league lefty Robbie Ray to the Tigers.
I guess I'm not getting Rick Porcello. Dammit.
I like it but my main concern is getting a big bat.
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Doug Fister to the Nats for three players!
In exchange, the Nationals sent infielder Steve Lombardozzi, left-hander Ian Krol and minor league lefty Robbie Ray to the Tigers.
I guess I'm not getting Rick Porcello. Dammit.
detroit must really value the idea of a young lefties, because i can't seem to make sense of this deal.
lombo will stay on the bench (i can't even think of someone who he would be worth swapping as a defensive replacement!), and you've got two unproven talents that do not necessarily have high ceilings.
meanwhile, fister has been a constant. very few walks, lots of quality starts, and injury free. he's 29, he's not justin verlander, but he's entering the prime of his career.
really, this is a complete steal.
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Doug Fister to the Nats for three players!
In exchange, the Nationals sent infielder Steve Lombardozzi, left-hander Ian Krol and minor league lefty Robbie Ray to the Tigers.
I guess I'm not getting Rick Porcello. Dammit.
detroit must really value the idea of a young lefties, because i can't seem to make sense of this deal.
lombo will stay on the bench (i can't even think of someone who he would be worth swapping as a defensive replacement!), and you've got two unproven talents that do not necessarily have high ceilings.
meanwhile, fister has been a constant. very few walks, lots of quality starts, and injury free. he's 29, he's not justin verlander, but he's entering the prime of his career.
really, this is a complete steal.
well I agree it looks good for the Nats but obviously from the Tigers perspective they wanted to unload his contract... I'm guessing they weren't finding any teams giving them more... I mean they wouldn't want a deal that gave them something with a big contract in return because that would defeat the point of saving money, right?
I tend to feel Dombrowski knows his shit.. I mean he just got done with that great deal with Texas, right?
But our resident GM in waiting may have more to say...
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like this trade a lot. fister will play the exact role he played in detroit, and hes the kind of guy the back end of the rotation here needs.
lombo was a good guy to have on the bench but utility guys like that arent too hard to find and he seemed to be wasting away on the bench a lot this year (though i imagine hes still a bench guy in detroit)
my concern is that going the cheap route to fill the starting pitcher hole (ie not throwing cash at a free agent) is a sign of the nats going after cano. obviously his bat would be great to have in the lineup but his contract demands scream disaster already. really hoping the nats steer clear
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my concern is that going the cheap route to fill the starting pitcher hole (ie not throwing cash at a free agent) is a sign of the nats going after cano. obviously his bat would be great to have in the lineup but his contract demands scream disaster already. really hoping the nats steer clear
huh? Cano would be great! we should be so lucky... but we know the Lerner's will not OK the huge contract it would take..
I don't understand how anybody after the offensive debacle last year for 2/3 of the season doesn't think the Nats needs a big bat... here's a clue: if you're banking on all the players putting up career hitting performances during the entire season and people like LaRoche and Zim not getting hurt for parts of the season, well I got a bridge to sell you...
we saw it last year time and time again that the pitchers would do great (Strasburg, anyone remember???) and the Nats wouldn't give any run support... regardless of how good your pichers are you are going to need to score runs to win.
at least that is the way I see it.
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im fully on board with trying to add a big bat, but cano's contract demands are absurd
signing him might increase the odds of a deep playoff run in 2014 or 2015 but how quickly will that contract turn disastrous? not worth it imo
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im fully on board with trying to add a big bat, but cano's contract demands are absurd
signing him might increase the odds of a deep playoff run in 2014 or 2015 but how quickly will that contract turn disastrous? not worth it imo
what? he just turned 31 October 22... he has plenty of good years left...
nobody is going to give him 300 million...i doubt anybody will give him 9 years...
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maybe youre right, i just have a feeling that whoever signs him is gonna regret it in a few years, and i dont want a bad contract getting in the way of possible zimmermann/desmond/harper/strasburg extensions
i also think its telling that the yankees are balking at giving out a huge contract when they need the offense more than almost anyone.
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anyway ive read a few reactions to this trade and it seems like the overwhelming consensus is that its an absolute steal for the nats
also saw a comment that said this move could free up a bench spot for espinosa to become the new utility infielder. id like that for a lot of reasons (glove and power mostly) but i think espinosa needs a total change of scenery. really cant see him ever getting his swing back here
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++++ for the Nats - I'm as excited as one can be for a reliable back-of-the-rotation guy.
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Keith Law sums it up well:
A lefty reliever, a backup at second, and a non-top 100 prospect is just not a good return for two years of one of the top 30 starters in baseball.
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++++ for the Nats - I'm as excited as one can be for a reliable back-of-the-rotation guy.
It's definitely a helluva deal for the Nats. Of course, they're left with no lefty in the pen, and the Tigers acquiring Krol means Smyly becomes the 5th starter and Krol the lefty specialist in the pen, but they're clearly shedding payroll as they attempt to extend the contracts of Scherzer and Miggy.
I'd have to think Detroit could have gotten more, but maybe they decided two guys that fill holes are better than more talented guys. I don't know anything about the minor league kid.
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i dont want a bad contract getting in the way of possible zimmermann/desmond/harper/strasburg extensions
You mean the bad contracts, not extensions, for Strasburg and Harper, both of which are represented by Boras.
Unless you actually like your deals for Werth ($20m for 2014, $21m for 2015-2017) and the fact that you're paying a pre-arb Rendon almost $2m a season?
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i dont want a bad contract getting in the way of possible zimmermann/desmond/harper/strasburg extensions
You mean the bad contracts, not extensions, for Strasburg and Harper, both of which are represented by Boras.
Unless you actually like your deals for Werth ($20m for 2014, $21m for 2015-2017) and the fact that you're paying a pre-arb Rendon almost $2m a season?
fair point, though id use all that (especially werths contract) to further my opposition to the nats pursuing cano
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I don't know anything about the minor league kid.
Apparently, Robbie Ray was the "key to the deal. (http://www.freep.com/article/20131203/SPORTS02/312030045/Tigers-lefty-pitching-prospect-Robbie-Ray-key-deal-)"
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I don't know anything about the minor league kid.
Apparently, Robbie Ray was the "key to the deal. (http://www.freep.com/article/20131203/SPORTS02/312030045/Tigers-lefty-pitching-prospect-Robbie-Ray-key-deal-)"
you keep beating me to this. considered a top 10 prospect for most clubs...
still, the nats time is now, not in 3 years.
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I don't know anything about the minor league kid.
Apparently, Robbie Ray was the "key to the deal. (http://www.freep.com/article/20131203/SPORTS02/312030045/Tigers-lefty-pitching-prospect-Robbie-Ray-key-deal-)"
there's no such thing as a pitching prospect.
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++++ for the Nats - I'm as excited as one can be for a reliable back-of-the-rotation guy.
It's definitely a helluva deal for the Nats. Of course, they're left with no lefty in the pen, and the Tigers acquiring Krol means Smyly becomes the 5th starter and Krol the lefty specialist in the pen, but they're clearly shedding payroll as they attempt to extend the contracts of Scherzer and Miggy.
I'd have to think Detroit could have gotten more, but maybe they decided two guys that fill holes are better than more talented guys. I don't know anything about the minor league kid.
The Nats had "no lefty in the pen" at the start of last year - Krol was found money, and I'm sure we can find someone else.
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like this trade a lot. fister will play the exact role he played in detroit, and hes the kind of guy the back end of the rotation here needs.
I said it about my Tigers last year and I'll say it about the Nats this upcoming season: any pitching staff that has Doug Fister as their #4 is pretty frickin' formidable.
I like the Tigers general moves this off-season: getting Nathan and Krol to partner with Benoit for a formidable bullpen, shedding Prince, but I definitely feel like the Nats got Fister for dimes on the dollar (unless Ray becomes a fringe All-Star pitcher at some point down the road).
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like this trade a lot. fister will play the exact role he played in detroit, and hes the kind of guy the back end of the rotation here needs.
I said it about my Tigers last year and I'll say it about the Nats this upcoming season: any pitching staff that has Doug Fister as their #4 is pretty frickin' formidable.
I like the Tigers general moves this off-season: getting Nathan and Krol to partner with Benoit for a formidable bullpen, shedding Prince, but I definitely feel like the Nats got Fister for dimes on the dollar (unless Ray becomes a fringe All-Star pitcher at some point down the road).
seems a bit reactionary to me, in a bad way. sure, prince struggled with personal issues in detroit, and the bullpen was below average. they resolved those issues by weakening their biggest strengths: baseballs best one through four rotation and losing cabrera's protection completely changes this teams dynamic.
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they resolved those issues by weakening their biggest strengths: baseballs best one through four rotation and losing cabrera's protection completely changes this teams dynamic.
Smyly is supposedly read to step in at the #4. Not that worried about the rotation. I agree about Miggy's protection. V-Mart rebounded really nicely the last half of last season so hopefully he'll do admirably.
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http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/06/nationals-sign-nate-mclouth/
seems like an overpay but i dont mind the idea of a solid 4th outfielder in the mix for the inevitable time off by any of the starters. obviously the bench was a major weakness last year
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http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/06/nationals-sign-nate-mclouth/
seems like an overpay but i dont mind the idea of a solid 4th outfielder in the mix for the inevitable time off by any of the starters. obviously the bench was a major weakness last year
G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI R BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
146 531 137 31 4 12 36 76 53 86 30 7 .258 .329 .399 .729
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this trade i like more....a lefty reliever blevins although smackie will say "never deal with beane"... and they have, again.... it seems like Rizzo has some kind of relationship with Beane because he keeps going back there...
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very impressed by this offseason so far
its like rizzo, for all his stubborn tendencies, took all the major criticisms of last season (weak bench, no starting pitching depth, no lefty reliever, etc) to heart and slowly crossed each one of the list this time around. still a few small pieces to work on but so far so good
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The Nationals were definitely on a mission to plug three holes, and have done it at little cost.
Burns was a no-brainer for Beane - Minor League player of the Year with a .425 OBP for a leftie specialist that isn't as good as his best leftie in the pen.
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The Nationals were definitely on a mission to plug three holes,
Heh.
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Good review for the Nationals (and Halo's), not so much for the O's:
http://m.espn.go.com/mlb/story?storyId=10127149
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not listing detroit = total cop out
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not listing detroit = total cop out
I don't know. I thought the same thing at first, then I realized that all of their moves are about the future and not the now. They will be big winners when they resign Scherzer and Cabrera, but until then it's hard to argue that this years team is better than last years team. Sure, the franchise is in a better position for the future, but that's not what Stark was grading.
From a production view, Kinsler isn't an upgrade over Fielder TODAY and Smyly isn't an upgrade over Fister TODAY. Adding Nathan misses the point of Detroit's bullpen problems - it wasn't simply an isolated closer issue. Their problem was depth, and they've maybe made the ninth inning better, but they opened a new hole moving Smyly to the rotation.
Castellanos is still a question mark, Iglesias is an upgrade defensively, but not offensively, and Rajai Davis has no bat - he'll probably even platoon with Dirks.
Not sure you can give them high marks. Yet.
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i dont want a bad contract getting in the way of possible zimmermann/desmond/harper/strasburg extensions
jason (dc)
would it be smart for the nats to extend harper coming off a down year? 10/140 sounds good to me. what would harper cost?
David Schoenfield (2:56 PM)
Sure, would be smart for the Nationals, but won't happen. You can pretty much guarantee that Scott Boras will take Harper to free agency.
If you makes you makes you feel any better, at about 3AM this morning I realized the most likely scenario with Trout is that he goes through an unprecedented arbitration process because he has nothing to lose, costs the Angels $15m, $25m and then $30m in his last three arb eligible seasons, and then he still signs with the Yankees in 2018.
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Good review for the Nationals (and Halo's), not so much for the O's:
http://m.espn.go.com/mlb/story?storyId=10127149
As an Orioles fan I'm reserving judgment until Opening Day.
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i dont want a bad contract getting in the way of possible zimmermann/desmond/harper/strasburg extensions
jason (dc)
would it be smart for the nats to extend harper coming off a down year? 10/140 sounds good to me. what would harper cost?
David Schoenfield (2:56 PM)
Sure, would be smart for the Nationals, but won't happen. You can pretty much guarantee that Scott Boras will take Harper to free agency.
If you makes you makes you feel any better, at about 3AM this morning I realized the most likely scenario with Trout is that he goes through an unprecedented arbitration process because he has nothing to lose, costs the Angels $15m, $25m and then $30m in his last three arb eligible seasons, and then he still signs with the Yankees in 2018.
harper and trout are gonna look damn good in pinstripes.
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If Harper takes it to the next level I believe the Nats will keep him...so far though I dont think his performance warrants a mega-contract...
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the more interesting question is what happens with Tanaka..
coudl a team give the 20 million potsting fee and send a player as compensation
you gotta feel for the japanese team that would have stood to get 20-30 million more if they only hadn't changed the rules .. they should have said "we are changing the rules effective 2014" or something
to make a change and have it affect players this offseason..seems unprofessional
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coudl a team give the 20 million potsting fee and send a player as compensation
you gotta feel for the japanese team that would have stood to get 20-30 million more if they only hadn't changed the rules .. they should have said "we are changing the rules effective 2014" or something
to make a change and have it affect players this offseason..seems unprofessional
No, the CBA prohibits trading players outside of MLB.
And the strange thing to me about this is how it's supposed to be fair to small markets by limiting the payment to $20m, but who in their right mind is going to see $20m from a large market team and a small market team and then decide the Yankees and Dodgers are great, but I really want to be a Royal because KC is a wonderful place to live...
As for the timing, they've been working on it for a while, but apparently some Japanese teams agree with you and are pitching in money to make Tanana's team whole (they might also want him out of the league as he's been so dominant).
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are the nats considered in on tanaka at all? i remember a report a while back about them scouting him, but nothing since
i have to think theyd be a long shot to land him (and probably for the best contract-wise) but itd be a hell of a #5 pitcher
which brings me to detwiler. i like the guy a lot and i dont think he should be written off as a starter just yet, but im starting to get the feeling he should become a bullpen guy. when hes on hes an outs machine, but he seems to always lose it way sooner than id like a starter to lose it. right now theres really no viable alternative to him in the rotation (im not buying rizzo's talk of guys like jordan or roark being legitimate options there), but if they could somehow get one i think detwiler could be pretty damn good as a lefty reliever.
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Every team is going to post the $20m fee because you have nothing to lose. Only the team that actually signs him has to pay it.
But no, I don't see the Nats with the payroll flexibility to sign Tanaka to a long term deal given the future arbs/extensions they'll have to deal with. They will be outbid by the richer/more needy for sure.
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It's like Rizzo and Beane are on vacation together, and whomever catches the biggest fish has to give the other something:
A's Acquire Corey Brown from Nats (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10165337/oakland-athletics-acquire-corey-brown-trade-washington-nationals)
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not sure why but i kinda have a feeling thats gonna end up looking like a classic billy beane steal. brown certainly didnt have a chance at making the big leagues for real here, but i was pretty impressed with what little i saw of him
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Boswell nails this. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/now-is-the-time-for-the-nationals-to-extend-jorden-zimmermann-ian-desmond/2014/01/16/c7619ce8-7eb6-11e3-95c6-0a7aa80874bc_story.html)
The Nats really shouldn't think about Stras and Harper, and go about their business now.
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zim the pitcher should be signed up right away no matter what it costs.. he is very reliable and solid
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great article. the details about when the current big deals come off the books and how it lines up with strasburg/harper free agency never cease to amaze me.
i hope they do lock jordan up before the season, but the signs dont look too good imo. they seem far apart still, and he seems eager to test free agency.
personally, if it comes down to one or the other, sign desmond long term. zimmermann is a great pitcher, and while he wont be easy to replace by any means, hed be easier than desmond. shortstops like that dont come along very often.
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http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/17/nationals-jordan-zimmermann-avoid-arbitration-with-two-year-deal/
interesting. not how i expected this to go. not sure what it means longterm, but interesting
edit: and accoridng to zuckerman desmond got a similar, but slightly cheaper, two year deal.
so theyre both still free agents after 2015 but no more arbitration to worry about
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interesting. not how i expected this to go. not sure what it means longterm, but interesting
edit: and accoridng to zuckerman desmond got a similar, but slightly cheaper, two year deal.
so theyre both still free agents after 2015 but no more arbitration to worry about
Hmmm...that's not an extension, so I wouldn't get too excited.
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the more i think about it the more i can see it as both a positive sign towards a longterm deal and a negative, so im just gonna call it a wash and wait till next offseason
theyve apparently avoided arbitration with blevins and ramos now too
i think fister will be another interesting case.
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Boswell nails this. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/now-is-the-time-for-the-nationals-to-extend-jorden-zimmermann-ian-desmond/2014/01/16/c7619ce8-7eb6-11e3-95c6-0a7aa80874bc_story.html)
The Nats really shouldn't think about Stras and Harper, and go about their business now.
Sports bum me out. Desi is probably my favorite Nat since the team moved here. I'd be so bummed to see him go play for another team. With his 2 year deal, that doesn't mean they'll extend him though, right? If he just keeps building on his past few seasons he'll probably be a hot free agent by then. But, who knows. Bam Bam to the Yanks in 5 years? Yeesh!
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not sure why but i kinda have a feeling thats gonna end up looking like a classic billy beane steal. brown certainly didnt have a chance at making the big leagues for real here, but i was pretty impressed with what little i saw of him
We'll, he probably won't make the A's this year either. He was just designated for assignment by the A's to make room for the new left handed reliever the A's signed : O'Flaherty.
Beane is putting together quite the bullpen...
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new bobblehead schedule
FINALLY i will complete my racing president set with Taft
giddy
http://www.csnwashington.com/baseball-washington-nationals/talk/nats-announce-2014-bobblehead-giveaways?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo
I think you meant this thread...though I did enjoy reading the conversation Venerable adn I were having 7 years ago.
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Not sure how many people make it down to the PNats games [Potomac Nationals] but they also announced a Bam Bam bobblehead day along with a Jayson "Werewolf" Werth.... There isn't a picture, but there is a sort of preliminary mock up... I'll be there for this bad boy lol.
http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140128&content_id=67213610&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_t436&sid=t436
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Karns for Lobaton
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Karns for Lobaton
I heard there were other prospects in the deal for the Nats. Not sure why the Rays would do that, but good for the Nats if true. Ramos and Lobaton know each other so that's also a good thing for the starter/backup relationship.
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lobaton and two prospects, both in the rays top 30 or something
i like it. the nats needed a backup catcher and they seem to have a ton of guys to fill any role karns would have.
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two prospects, both in the rays top 30 or something
Drew Vettleson and Felipe Rivera. If true, great deal for the Nats.
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Bryce Harper ranked the #1 most overrated player by his peers: (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10647688/anonymous-mlb-players-strong-opinions-rule-change-espn-magazine)
1. Bryce Harper 24%
2. Yasiel Puig 21%
3. A-Rod 14%
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Lol
Any going to Opening Day? I shall be there again! Very excited!
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Lol
Any going to Opening Day? I shall be there again! Very excited!
I'm going to have to sell my tickets :(
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I'm going to have to sell my tickets :(
My old man had a quadruple bypass two weekends ago, which ruined my Spring Training outing.
On the plus side, I've volunteered to go back to Anaheim this weekend to see him (and catch the Halo's opener, of course). Never forget to turn a bad situation into something positive.
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Bryce Harper ranked the #1 most overrated player by his peers: (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10647688/anonymous-mlb-players-strong-opinions-rule-change-espn-magazine)
1. Bryce Harper 24%
2. Yasiel Puig 21%
3. A-Rod 14%
For stuff like this, I'm sure:
Nationals Bryce Harper, best LF in game per ESPN, was just ejected. From a spring training game. On a 4-3 groundout.
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I'm going to have to sell my tickets :(
My old man had a quadruple bypass two weekends ago, which ruined my Spring Training outing.
Hope your pops gets well soon.
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One other thing: Trout is not represented by Scott Boras. Have fun!
Boras on Harper's Deal after the Trout Deal (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2014/03/29/scott-boras-suggests-mike-trouts-contract-will-not-relate-to-bryce-harper/)
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Won't be able to catch a game until the home opener. Kind of bummed.
Hopefully Bam Bam will stay with the Nats. I don't see it though. Doesn't he have his eyeballs on the Yankees? Sigh.
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still think bryce is more likely to resign with the nats than stras, but he obviously wont come cheap
i think that same "student of the game" trait people always bring up as proof he really wants to play in ny or la could keep him in dc, provided the nats stay competitive till its time to talk contract extension. i can see being a one team guy having as much appeal to him as being a yankee. but of course, boras. we'll see.
interesting batting order for today. wont be able to watch the game till tongiht, but im intrigued by harper as a #5 guy.
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I was intrigued by Ramos in the #4 spot. Hopefully he'll be back in the line-up soon.
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weird game. some classic mets baseball throughout
ramos' hand is a concern, as is harpers head. i guess hes ok, but i really hope hes actually ok and not already repeating last years mistakes. hard to blame him for the collision itself (seemed like a freak play that could have happened to anyone sliding into second) but please don't play the macho card again. no one wants to hear this phrase again, but its only april.
i like how we saw everyones nats debut except fister, and a (somewhat awkward) use of a williams replay challenge, all within one game. all we needed was an overturned home plate collision and wed be fully caught up on 2014 baseball
that lineup has potential. not quite sold on harper hitting that low, but it could work. some speed towards the bottom of the order wouldnt be a bad thing. of course if ramos misses time thatll shake it all up
i think the most promising sign of the game was espinosa's walk. last year that would have been a three pitch strikeout to end the game, last night it was a great at bat that kept it alive to be won. good sign for his bench role going forward
laroche's hr was another huge relief. its just one game obviously, but at least we can tell the swing is there for the time being.
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(http://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/imported_assets/2130419/ibg4DecYuGiTyP.gif)
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Argh. I hate that we ended up with two threads. Please ignore this post and let this thread fade away....
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Thanks for resurrecting my thread.
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Is there anything more pleasurable than watching Bryce Cream take a punch to the head and watch the BrylCreem go flying?
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Is there anything more pleasurable than watching Bryce Cream take a punch to the head and watch the BrylCreem go flying?
Yeah watching the Nats win, Buster Posey not stand up for his pitcher and seeing that cry baby Hunter Strickland being dragged off the field by his teammates.
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I can't even talk about that fight because I can't get over that helmet toss....
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Hey, if someone pitched that helmet to him he probably would have hit it out of the park.
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Is there anything more pleasurable than watching Bryce Cream take a punch to the head and watch the BrylCreem go flying?
More like a pansy slap than a punch. Still, no excuse for Bryce failing to land a hit.
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no excuse for Bryce failing to land a hit.
(http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/content/wpvi/images/cms/2052094_1280x720.jpg)
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"Got your nose"
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Gesture_fist_with_thumb_through_fingers.jpg/220px-Gesture_fist_with_thumb_through_fingers.jpg)
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don't know why people use 'gay' as an adjective...gay can be good ya know.
Baseball is gay.
Is baseball still gay?
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Ray knight arrested for beating someone up in his house...
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Ray knight arrested for beating someone up in his house...
I know he's 6'2" and probably had a height advantage, but sort of embarrassing to be 33 and get beaten up by a 64 yr old.
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don't know why people use 'gay' as an adjective...gay can be good ya know.
Baseball is gay.
Is baseball still gay?
Is baseball gayer than football?
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ok...I'm not a baseball fan at all...but a little shocked no one is chatting up last nights game
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Yup!
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25 or 6 to 4.
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Having scored 25 runs in one game, I expect the Nats will score 5 runs in the next 10 games.
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(http://bronxpinstripes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/baseballbugsanimated.gif)
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ok...I'm not a baseball fan at all...but a little shocked no one is chatting up last nights game
A .500 team beat a team 16 games below .500. That's why nobody cares.
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Daniel Murphy to the Cubs for IF Andruw Monasterio.
Cardinals claim Matt Adams, no deal yet he becomes a Cardinal by simply taking on the remainder of his salary ($877k).
And someone the Dodgers claimed Bryce Harper, but I have to believe that was just a block the Yankees move. No deal was finalized and the claim expired.
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Can we trade Davey Martinez?
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Everyone said Dusty was terrible but Davey has been horrible
Rizzo should be fired this offseason
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I'm sure Bud Black will come crawling back and is ready to take over. Oh wait, what's that you say? He's got the less talented Rockies team in the play off hunt again?
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Yesterday was one of those games that maybe we shouldn't have left in the top of the 9th with the Nats down.
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I was struck by the cubs nats playoff game ....I think they were down 3-0 in the 6th and nats fans started leaving....it was early in the series
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Not renewing Dusty was a mistake.....I can’t believe this team is struggling to stay over 500!
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How fitting was it that Clown Show's last home game was and o-fer with two whiffs and Robles has a monster game?
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Can only hope....
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Only two teams owed luxury taxes this year. The World Series Champion Boston Red Sox and the Washington Nationals. Break them up, indeed.
The Yankees, Dodgers and Giants all came just under.
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The Nats offered Harper 10-years, $300 m with no option out clauses on the last day of the season.
He turned them down.
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The Nats offered Harper 10-years, $300 m with no option out clauses on the last day of the season.
He turned them down.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/11/07/nationals-offer-bryce-harper-was-biggest-free-agent-deal-us-sports-history-what-now/?utm_term=.6d9743c833e5 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/11/07/nationals-offer-bryce-harper-was-biggest-free-agent-deal-us-sports-history-what-now/?utm_term=.6d9743c833e5)
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Because startong pitching was the problem....
Nats sign Patrick Corbin, 6 yrs $140m
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As long as they spend money on anything other than Harper I am happy...
I hope they resign Rendon soon
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Why is Howie Kendrick's .330 average not good enough to put him in the starting lineup? Is Zimmerman really that invaluable? Racism.
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Why is Howie Kendrick's .330 average not good enough to put him in the starting lineup? Is Zimmerman really that invaluable? Racism.
First at bat for Zimmerman, two on two out...strikeout.
Note to Nats: Howie is hitting .356 with RISP this year. Zimmerman now hitting .100 with RISP this year.
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Splits indicate that he's much better at home than on the road: .271 vs .397
But we all know the reason why is because Howie is making $4m and the Nats are paying Zim $18m this season.
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Matt Adams (.232) and Dozier (.232) get the starts today, Howie (.330) in the bench.
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Matt Adams (.232) and Dozier (.232) get the starts today, Howie (.330) in the bench.
I don’t know Kendrick did wrong...this has been going on since he joined Nats
Like in playoff series against Cubs
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How does a guy come in with a 17-4 lead, give up three runs in three innings, and get credit for a save?
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It’s baseball
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How does a guy come in with a 17-4 lead, give up three runs in three innings, and get credit for a save?
Vansmack and I are still trying to figure out how the ball the Tigers OF batted over the wall on accident last night was a HR and counted as earned runs and not an error. When we get to the bottom of that, we will jump on this.
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How does a guy come in with a 17-4 lead, give up three runs in three innings, and get credit for a save?
This one is an easy one.
3 ways to get a save, per MLB rule 10.20
- He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his club; and
- He is not the winning pitcher; and
He qualifies under one of the following conditions:
- He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least one inning; or
- He enters the game, regardless of the score, with the potential tying run either on base, at bat, or on deck; or
- He pitches for at least three innings.
Under the last condition, the official scorer has some discretion as to whether or not to award a save. It was at home, so the official scorer gave him a save. Had it been in Cincinnati, no way that's a save.
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Nats really just need to give Rendon whatever he's asking for. I love him as much as i hate Harper.
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Nats really just need to give Rendon whatever he's asking for. I love him as much as i hate Harper.
Same
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Nats really just need to give Rendon whatever he's asking for. I love him as much as i hate Harper.
Scott Boras. Same problem the Nats faced with Harper - he will go to highest bidder and every team will have a shot. Godspeed.
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Well except I don’t think the Nats wanted to sign Harper
Little difference
I don’t get the big deal...the Nats have signed many players Boras represents
They just have to pay top dollar which seems fair
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Rendon MVP?
He is I believe now batting 329 with 29 homers and 104 rbi
Definitely my favorite player since Nomar and Ichiro
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Rendon MVP?
He is I believe now batting 329 with 29 homers and 104 rbi
Definitely my favorite player since Nomar and Ichiro
I think Bellinger is the MVP unless he sits out the month of September, or takes a knee during the national anthem.
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So the Dodgers are up by 20 games in their division
The Nats lead the wild card by a few games and are somehow hanging on about 6 games behind Braves
I don’t know...to me the MVP is about being the most valuable player to a team’s efforts during the season (to make the playoffs)
Wasn’t there a stretch early where Rendon was hurt and the Nats collapsed?
To me the MVP is not about having the best stats although Rendon’s line is something
Without Rendon I have a hard time believing the Nats would be so near...even when Scherzer got injured I think Rendon has carried them
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MVP! MVP!
Does anyone know the Nats record in games Rendon didn't start this year?
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Oh my!
This Nats team is close to being a real contender!
If only they had a better bullpen
The Braves keep winning though
Nats need Max to go back to being lights out
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Oh my!
This Nats team is close to being a real contender!
If only they had a better bullpen
The Braves keep winning though
Nats need Max to go back to being lights out
Charlie Slowes' radio call in the 9th was incredible. Somewhat makes up for missing it live.
Really is a shame about the bullpen, given it's been a constant issue on the team for years. Only way they have a chance to make any serious playoff run is to have Scherz, Stras, Corb, and Sanchez pitch lights out and the bats to stay hot.
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As I told Hoya last night, Cal State Fullerton is always available to come to your rescue....
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And yet, attendance is down 10% from last year.
Come on people, support your team. They've actually earned in this year!
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Strasburg likely to opt out after this season with 4-years, $100m left on his contract.
His agent is.....
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Lost 7 of last 11. September swoon?
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Well part of the problem is Nats can’t beat Braves
I think Rendon is slumping a bit
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Well part of the problem is Nats can’t beat Braves
I think Rendon is slumping a bit
He's batting .298 with a .553 slugging percentage in September, which I guess for him, is slumping. Others need to step up their game. Bullpen, I'm taking to you.
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Why is Rodney still on roster?
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Maybe the answer is play Howie every freaking day!
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Howie has a triple and a homer in his first two at bats. Dude should be playing every day.
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Howie has a triple and a homer in his first two at bats. Dude should be playing every day.
Was just saying this one minute ago at bar am at
What does the guy have to do?
Against the Cubs in the playoffs a couple years ago nobody could understand why he wasn’t starting every game!
The guy must have terrible interpersonal skills is all I can think of but shouldn’t matter
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Howie has a triple and a homer in his first two at bats. Dude should be playing every day.
Was just saying this one minute ago at bar am at
What does the guy have to do?
Against the Cubs in the playoffs a couple years ago nobody could understand why he wasn’t starting every game!
The guy must have terrible interpersonal skills is all I can think of but shouldn’t matter
It seems that going unnoticed has been a recurring theme in his career.
https://heightline.com/howie-kendrick/
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Somebody please break up this f-ing bullpen.
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Five innings of no-hit ball by the bullpen in the opener. The Nats should invite me to attend more games.
And I don't like the idea of Scherzer pitching the wild card game. Corbin, Strasburg, and even Sanchez all seem to be pitching better right now.
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That’s a really tough call but I would almost surely go with Max...
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That’s a really tough call but I would almost surely go with Max...
Yet the 35-year-old’s hiccups raised doubts because the other candidate, Stephen Strasburg, is as durable and dominant as ever. Strasburg is scheduled to start Thursday, putting him on regular rest for next Tuesday while Scherzer is lined up to pitch Sunday and could if Game 162 decides home field. Strasburg’s track record in the postseason — one earned run in 19 innings across three starts — bests Scherzer’s (a 3.73 ERA in 16 appearances).
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I get it...
Stras has had a heck of a season
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FWIW, Scherzer has been better on the road than at home (7-2, 2.64ERA vs. 4-5, 3.16 ERA).
whereas Strasburg has been pretty consistent home and away (3.39 away vs 3.33 home)
Corbin has been the real star at home (8-2, 1.97 ERA). I'd start him if it was a home game. Though he's pitch on Friday and won't be ready for Tuesday so not really an option.
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Since the All-Star Game, here are the ERAs of the Nats starters: Strasburg (8-2, 2.91), Corbin 3.15 (7-2), Ross (4-3, 3.83), Sanchez (6-2, 4.04). Scherzer: 2-2, 4.81.
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Took tomorrow off just so I can enjoy the game with some beverages and not have to worry about work...don't blow this Nats.
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So it’s Scherzer....
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So it’s Scherzer....
Two runs in the top of the first for the Brewers. Everyone in town saw that coming except Davey.
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Tang must be so wasted by now.
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So who starts Game 3 on Saturday?
And why are they even having a Saturday game after a Friday night game in LA?
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So who starts Game 3 on Saturday?
And why are they even having a Saturday game after a Friday night game in LA?
Rizzo just said on the radio that they may rock with Sanchez for game 2 depending on how Stras feels. As for the Saturday game, what the hell indeed.
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More like might get rocked
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Oh boy was I wasted. Yada...how man sick edibles did you consume? Go Nats!
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Oh boy was I wasted. Yada...how man sick edibles did you consume? Go Nats!
Considering you took the day off to imbibe, I assumed you tied one on.
No sick edibles, brah!
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There is no Saturday game in LA, it's Thursday-Friday.
NLDS
Oct 3 Nationals@ Dodgers
Oct 4 Nationals@ Dodgers
Oct 6 Dodgers @ Nationals
Oct 7 Dodgers@ Nationals
Oct 9 Nationals@ Dodgers
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Oh boy was I wasted. Yada...how man sick edibles did you consume? Go Nats!
Considering you took the day off to imbibe, I assumed you tied one on.
No sick edibles, brah!
Arent you for real the dork that talks about weed all the time?
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Oh boy was I wasted. Yada...how man sick edibles did you consume? Go Nats!
Considering you took the day off to imbibe, I assumed you tied one on.
No sick edibles, brah!
Arent you for real the dork that talks about weed all the time?
Not that I'm aware of, brah!
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There is no Saturday game in LA, it's Thursday-Friday.
NLDS
Oct 3 Nationals@ Dodgers
Oct 4 Nationals@ Dodgers
Oct 6 Dodgers @ Nationals
Oct 7 Dodgers@ Nationals
Oct 9 Nationals@ Dodgers
I just came here to type that. Not sure where I read the misinformation. This will allow me to pay attention to the Luna show instead of constantly looking at my phone.
This was the source of misinformation.
https://www.mlb.com/nationals/roster/probable-pitchers
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Oh boy was I wasted. Yada...how man sick edibles did you consume? Go Nats!
Considering you took the day off to imbibe, I assumed you tied one on.
No sick edibles, brah!
Arent you for real the dork that talks about weed all the time?
Not that I'm aware of, brah!
But you do enjoy sick edibles right? I can swear you've posted about sick edibles.
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Oh boy was I wasted. Yada...how man sick edibles did you consume? Go Nats!
Considering you took the day off to imbibe, I assumed you tied one on.
No sick edibles, brah!
Arent you for real the dork that talks about weed all the time?
Not that I'm aware of, brah!
But you do enjoy sick edibles right? I can swear you've posted about sick edibles.
Absolutely not...and if you can find that post I'll buy you a six pack of Budweiser and a candlebox ticket.
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check out reply 46 in the weed thread. the eds' look sick, bro.
https://forum.930.com/index.php?topic=24820.45
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Now Maybe.....
Oh no
Oh no no no no...
Now maybe I didn't mean to treat you oh so bad
But I did it anyway
Now maybe some would say you're left with what you had
But you couldn't share the pain
I said times have changed your friends
They come and watch you crumble to the ground
They watch you suffer
Yeah, they hold you down
Hold on down
Now maybe lover, maybe love
I didn't mean to treat you bad
But you left me far behind
Left me far behind
Left me far behind
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check out reply 46 in the weed thread. the eds' look sick, bro.
https://forum.930.com/index.php?topic=24820.45
I never used the term "sick" to describe them, but thanks for playing. Also, that is a weed thread, hence the discussion.
Someone is mad he's smoking dirt out of a can in Prince William county.
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LOL. Give me my beer you sick edible eating dork. I live in Alexandria btw.
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LOL. Give me my beer you sick edible smoking dork. I live in Alexandria btw.
PM me your Full Name and address and I'll get a package out to you.
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LOL. Give me my beer you sick edible smoking dork. I live in Alexandria btw.
PM me your Full Name and address and I'll get a package out to you.
Only if your boy Mark can send it over with some sick eds'...
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LOL. Give me my beer you sick edible smoking dork. I live in Alexandria btw.
PM me your Full Name and address and I'll get a package out to you.
Only if your boy Mark can send it over with some sick eds'...
tang is either going through withdrawl and cranky or he's still drunk from all those bud heavys last night!
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Someone is still mad about losing an election almost 3 years ago it seems. Don't see another reason you singled me out in a baseball thread ...
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Someone is still mad about losing an election almost 3 years ago it seems. Don't see another reason you singled me out in a baseball thread ...
Someone doesn't recall (probably had too many drinks last night) that you made a post about drinking during the game.
It was a shit game until the 8th inning, so I assumed you must've been pretty rocked by then.
Based on your voting history, I guess I'm not surprised you can't connect the dots here.
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So there is or is not a Boardie meetup for Candlebox?
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Someone is still mad about losing an election almost 3 years ago it seems. Don't see another reason you singled me out in a baseball thread ...
Someone doesn't recall (probably had too many drinks last night) that you made a post about drinking during the game.
It was a shit game until the 8th inning, so I assumed you must've been pretty rocked by then.
Based on your voting history, I guess I'm not surprised you can't connect the dots here.
Imagine someone having drinks during a sporting event!
Based on who you voted for in the last election, you can't pick winners.
Call Mark.
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Someone is still mad about losing an election almost 3 years ago it seems. Don't see another reason you singled me out in a baseball thread ...
Someone doesn't recall (probably had too many drinks last night) that you made a post about drinking during the game.
It was a shit game until the 8th inning, so I assumed you must've been pretty rocked by then.
Based on your voting history, I guess I'm not surprised you can't connect the dots here.
Imagine someone having drinks during a sporting event!
Based on who you voted for in the last election, you can't pick winners.
Call Mark.
Stay on topic. The reason I brought you up is because you specified for some reason that you were having drinks last night for the game (Imagine someone having drinks during a sporting event!".
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"I'm going to enjoy the game with some beers"...random guy on the internet makes a snarky comment b/c he's mad about something...whatever. Call Mark.
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"I'm going to enjoy the game with some beers"...random guy on the internet makes a snarky comment b/c he's mad about something...whatever. Call Mark.
^still mad^
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Mark isn't answering? Hard night without the edibles?
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I wonder how the pitching staff will line up?
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Mark isn't answering? Hard night without the edibles?
Hey you mental midget, had anyone made that post about drinking, I would've made the same response due to the stressfulness of the game.
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Today we are all Nats fans!
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Mark isn't answering? Hard night without the edibles?
Hey you mental midget, had anyone made that post about drinking, I would've made the same response due to the stressfulness of the game.
Hillary lost. Get over it. It's obvious you can't get over it. She sucked. MAGA
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Wait I thought we are talking Nats here?
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I wonder how the pitching staff will line up?
Has to be:
Corbin
Sanchez
Strasburg or Scherzer
Scherzer or Strasburg
Corbin
Wish Corbin was pitching at home but he's due for game 1
Any guesses for the Dodgers? I don't even know their #4 off the top of my head.
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Any guesses for the Dodgers? I don't even know their #4 off the top of my head.
Buehler
Ryu
Kershaw
Hill
(Ryu is much better at home than on the road, but they could throw Kershaw 2nd)
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Given what I said below, the Dodgers made a huge tactical error tonight and gave the Nats a huge chance to win this series. There is no excuse for not starting Ryu.
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Well there goes that game. should have stuck with Sanchez
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That sucked
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Did Dave Roberts know that Dave Martinez would make a similar asshat move when he decided his game 2 starter?
This is just blatant ignorance of statistics.
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Well at least the Mystics won and are only a game away.
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I don’t know...I mean we got Max and Stras for games 4 and 5
As long as they pitch complete games I like our chances
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I don’t know...I mean we got Max and Stras for games 4 and 5
As long as they pitch complete games I like our chances
That's looking on the bright side! Also looking like about three days of rain here in DC. Who knows when we'll even get Game 4 played. If the schedule gets pushed back, that probably helps the Dodgers as Bueller, Kershaw, and Ryu get rested and ready and they can skip Hill while we'll go with Scherzer and Strasburg no matter what...right?
I wonder if anyone has compiled the collective ERA's of starters making relief appearances after starting a game in a playoff/World series. They make such a big deal out of it when it works, but it seems like it often blows up too. Corbin's appearance last night alone would blow up that ERA.
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How is this thread not blowing up?
Is everybody just scared to death or something!?
As a neutral observer, I am stoked for this matchup.
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Is this about a local sportsball group?
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So Max can’t pitch tonight at all
We need a complete game from Stras
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So Max can’t pitch tonight at all
We need a complete game from Stras
I'm more worried about the bats going cold.
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In a hole early like hutch on his last trip to Amsterdam.
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Hey man that was Buenos Aires!
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YES
YES
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That second slider from Kershaw was terrible. Worst pitch of the night
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Fucking Howie!
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YES
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Who is going to pitch the 10th? Think i might have stuck with Hudson
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NLCS baby
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Once an Angel, always an Angel. And the Angels always beat the Dodgers....
Congrats Nats fans!
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YES
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That was something
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Tickets currently onsale and wildly available... Worst seat in the house for about $150.
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Hudson out tonight for paternity leave. Come on dude where are your priorities ?
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Hudson out tonight for paternity leave. Come on dude where are your priorities ?
I did NOT think this was a Space Freely post before I looked.
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Seriously?
Stuck in traffic on I64 watching Scooby-Doo and internet service is weak
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I was thinking, "Must be his first born" Nope. 3rd daughter....
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Same
Oh well our bullpen is stacked
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Hudson out tonight for paternity leave. Come on dude where are your priorities ?
I did NOT think this was a Space Freely post before I looked.
I'm against scheduled C-sections but at 5.5 million a year, they should have been done Thursday morning.
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Hudson out tonight for paternity leave. Come on dude where are your priorities ?
I did NOT think this was a Space Freely post before I looked.
I'm against scheduled C-sections but at 5.5 million a year, they should have been done Thursday morning.
I’d have more sympathy had you simply said “induced labor”. C-Sections are brutal.
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Hudson out tonight for paternity leave. Come on dude where are your priorities ?
I did NOT think this was a Space Freely post before I looked.
I'm against scheduled C-sections but at 5.5 million a year, they should have been done Thursday morning.
I’d have more sympathy had you simply said “induced labor”. C-Sections are brutal.
I wonder if that's what they did and it took a freaking long time. Oh well, Sanchez is off on the right foot. I'd like to see them give Voth a chance. He did well down the stretch.
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Hey, anyone remember when the Tigers had a starting pitching staff of Verlander, Scherzer, Porcello, Sanchez, and Doug Fister along with the only modern triple-crown winner and multi time MVP Miguel Cabrera and never won a World Series?
Haha, me either. :o
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What a great surprise...just what the Dr ordered...just what we needed
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Haha, me either. :o
I was thinking about you midday today for just this reason....
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History repeats itself.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27831452/nationals-max-scherzer-magical-again-anibal-sanchez-gem
ST. LOUIS -- It was five years and 364 days ago that Anibal Sanchez sat in a dugout on a crisp October night, one day after dominating his opponent, and watched Max Scherzer do the very same thing. The two were teammates in a devastating Detroit Tigers starting rotation back in 2013, facing the Boston Red Sox in the American League Championship Series, and they became the first duo in postseason history with back-to-back starts of at least five no-hit innings against the same team.
On Saturday, with the afternoon shadows creeping over Busch Stadium, Sanchez watched as Scherzer did it again -- taking the ball a day later, following in his footsteps, and achieving history once more, this time wearing a Washington Nationals uniform.
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I kind of can’t believe we are up 2-0 and at home for next three!!
But Cards have a history of winning and we have to just focus on game 3
To me Doolittle looks weak...I just don’t trust him at all
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History repeats itself.
TRIGGER ALERT JULIAN. STOP READING.
The Red Sox won the next 4 games in a row en route to their World Series title over the.....St Louis Cardinals!
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Wow
After the horrible start, the way they played the rest of season made me think the Nats were one of the best teams with two glaring weaknesses: the bullpen and the inability to beat the braves...I also had doubts about Dave Martinez
Fortunately the Cards took care of the Braves and Martinez seems to finally be making the right calls
But I did not expect to be up 3-0 on the Cards...it’s pretty unreal
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Guys, sweep the LCS. Will work out great. Take it from me. Go Nats.
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There is a presale today for season ticket holders for the possible WS games.
Some of the lower priced ws tickets are $350ish each direct from Nationals.
I am debating purchasing 2.
Has anyone ever been to a ws, is it any fun?
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There is a presale today for season ticket holders for the possible WS games.
Some of the lower priced ws tickets are $350ish each direct from Nationals.
I am debating purchasing 2.
Has anyone ever been to a ws, is it any fun?
Not $700 fun
Edit: if you're a huge fan, it's probably worth it.
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I think you guys already know the Space answer to that one.
I have a house with a tv, heat (or AC), Other Half beer in the fridge, and a comfortable couch.
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I think you guys already know the Space answer to that one.
I have a house with a tv, heat (or AC), Other Half beer in the fridge, and a comfortable couch.
Do your bunny ears get good enough reception to watch the game?
I picture you making your daughter hold them a specific angle for multiple hours to ensure a good picture.
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I cannot seem to get 2 together....so far...so I may need to reallocate that $700 to something else.
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I have, to this day, never regretted for a second spending a boat load of money to watch the Angels in the World Series.
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I have, to this day, never regretted for a second spending a boat load of money to watch the Angels in the World Series.
yeah, i am really a die-hard Mets fan....Nats are more for entertainment purposes only....found 2 together for around $560 but in reallty bad seats....so I am gonna pass (for now).
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I think you guys already know the Space answer to that one.
I have a house with a tv, heat (or AC), Other Half beer in the fridge, and a comfortable couch.
Do your bunny ears get good enough reception to watch the game?
I picture you making your daughter hold them a specific angle for multiple hours to ensure a good picture.
Usually, depending on what station it's on and how the weather is. I think FOX is better than most.
My wife is the expert rabbit ears adjuster.
My daughter is at the age where you can't really ask her to do anything she doesn't want to do. If you do, life becomes unpleasant.
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Space are you coming to Wilco?
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Space are you coming to Wilco?
Last minute "Yes" on that one.
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Good...I hope to run into you
I am very sluggish right now...I am stopping at Brighton at 8 and then heading in...I hope I have GA tix but not sure
New album is not that bad...I like to start on track 5
Last night they played 9 songs from it!
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Good...I hope to run into you
I am very sluggish right now...I am stopping at Brighton at 8 and then heading in...I hope I have GA tix but not sure
New album is not that bad...I like to start on track 5
Last night they played 9 songs from it!
Like a needle in a haystack, but I'll be the old guy dragging his wife and kids along...I'll look for the tall guy with the big hair...
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Yes, odds aren’t good but we got to try!
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There is a world series happening tomorrow I think.
I may be at the stadium for the free event, which feels better to me as a faux fan than spending the big dollars over the weekend.
Anyone going to the free events or to the weekend actual games?
Anyone flying to Houston?
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There is a world series happening tomorrow I think.
I may be at the stadium for the free event, which feels better to me as a faux fan than spending the big dollars over the weekend.
Anyone going to the free events or to the weekend actual games?
Anyone flying to Houston?
What are the free events?
The last time I tried to fly to Houston, we were diverted to McAllen, TX for three days. That was a truly terrible place to be stuck.
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There is a world series happening tomorrow I think.
I may be at the stadium for the free event, which feels better to me as a faux fan than spending the big dollars over the weekend.
Anyone going to the free events or to the weekend actual games?
Anyone flying to Houston?
What are the free events?
The last time I tried to fly to Houston, we were diverted to McAllen, TX for three days. That was a truly terrible place to be stuck.
https://www.mlb.com/nationals/tickets/specials/watchparty (https://www.mlb.com/nationals/tickets/specials/watchparty)
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The last time I tried to fly to Houston, we were diverted to McAllen, TX for three days. That was a truly terrible place to be stuck.
My wife got up at 4am yesterday to catch a flight to Denver with an ultimate destination of Portland and turned up getting routed RIC->ORD->EWR->PDX and spent 25 hours either on flights or in layovers. When flights go bad, they can really suck.
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Astros could force the Nats to ditch their navy blues (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/10/21/astros-could-force-nationals-ditch-their-navy-blue-uniforms-world-series/)
The Nats are 7-0 in them this postseason. 24-5 since they started wearing them in '18.
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I have, to this day, never regretted for a second spending a boat load of money to watch the Angels in the World Series.
yeah, i am really a die-hard Mets fan....Nats are more for entertainment purposes only....found 2 together for around $560 but in reallty bad seats....so I am gonna pass (for now).
i'm sure prices will drop just before the game, but per stubhub you can't get into the park on friday for less than $650 (SRO), while the cheapest seat is $800 (Sec 241, row L).
your $280 for a seat is now looking like a good deal...
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My brother in law is going to game 2 in Houston
I bet it’s a good seat too
Bastard
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My brother in law is going to game 2 in Houston
I bet it’s a good seat too
Bastard
at least he didn't vote for Trump
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I have, to this day, never regretted for a second spending a boat load of money to watch the Angels in the World Series.
yeah, i am really a die-hard Mets fan....Nats are more for entertainment purposes only....found 2 together for around $560 but in reallty bad seats....so I am gonna pass (for now).
i'm sure prices will drop just before the game, but per stubhub you can't get into the park on friday for less than $650 (SRO), while the cheapest seat is $800 (Sec 241, row L).
your $280 for a seat is now looking like a good deal...
I have some raegerts on this, but not a lot.
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Damn I was sweating bullets
I was ready to have Davey’s head on a platter but it worked out......just
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Damn I was sweating bullets
I was ready to have Davey’s head on a platter but it worked out......just
In Davey we must trust! He has brought them farther than anyone else.
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If one game is rained out, obviously Monday becomes a makeup day. But what if two games are rained out? The whole series gets pushed back by two days?
And how does that affect the Nats pitching moves? I guess you stick with the Scherzer, Strasburg, Sanchez, Corbin order no matter what? If rain pushes things back, it would be intriguing to skip Corbin and just keep using him from the bullpen. Of course, then you might get stuck with having to start Joe Ross in Game 7. I guess you have to stick with the four man rotation.
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it was fun to be at the stadium for last night's game.
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This series is much tighter than 2-0 coming home would indicate but damnit if it don’t feel great!!!
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Happy for you all (and jealous)
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Good lord, Nats please sweep this thing.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-says-hell-attend-game-5-of-the-world-series-at-nationals-park-if-it-is-played-sunday/2019/10/24/0db65ea6-f6a5-11e9-8cf0-4cc99f74d127_story.html
President Trump said Thursday that he plans to attend Game 5 of the World Series at Nationals Park on Sunday if the Washington Nationals and Houston Astros are still playing, though he will not throw the ceremonial first pitch.
“They’ve got to dress me up in a lot of heavy armor — I’ll look too heavy,” he responded when a reporter asked him about whether he would take the mound. Trump appeared to be making a reference to a bulletproof vest that presidents sometimes are required to wear by Secret Service when they are amid large crowds. A team official confirmed later that he will not take part in that on-field tradition.
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He would get booed...
Has he ever been to a Nats game?
He should throw out the first pitch tomorrow but...
I have a friend, a Yankees fan, who thinks W throwing the first pitch in the World Series after 9-11 was amazing..I didn’t want to get into an argument with him so I went along in the interest of comity but damn it if that isn’t ridiculous
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I have, to this day, never regretted for a second spending a boat load of money to watch the Angels in the World Series.
yeah, i am really a die-hard Mets fan....Nats are more for entertainment purposes only....found 2 together for around $560 but in reallty bad seats....so I am gonna pass (for now).
i'm sure prices will drop just before the game, but per stubhub you can't get into the park on friday for less than $650 (SRO), while the cheapest seat is $800 (Sec 241, row L).
your $280 for a seat is now looking like a good deal...
welp, blew that call: cheapest SRO is now $925, cheapest seat is $1,180. at these prices, will anyone other than lobbyists be there???
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Amazing.
https://twitter.com/ScottThuman/status/1188617794071474178?s=19
Also, is tang sitting behind home plate tonight in his MAGA hat?
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I hope so!
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This sucks
Kill me
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Four figure prices to stand, losing three games at home by a combined 19-3 score, and that stupid baby shark crap. What a bunch of rich, elitist morons the rest of the country must think we are. Even Trump is probably laughing.
That's ok. Once Bernie or Liz get elected, the max salary will be 150K (for everyone, not just baseball players!) and all the profits from baseball games with go to pay for Medicare for all.
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Four figure prices to stand, losing three games at home by a combined 19-3 score, and that stupid baby shark crap. What a bunch of rich, elitist morons the rest of the country must think we are. Even Trump is probably laughing.
you're getting very personally wrapped up in the performance of a bunch of over-paid grown men chasing a ball... you might want to take a step back and reexamine a few things.
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https://twitter.com/JuliaRose_33/status/1188670271277932545?s=19
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Depressing
We need a 6 inning at least lights out game from Stras and Max to pitch game 7
Otherwise we are done
In the World Series giving up 4 runs is like giving up 6 in the regular season
If I see Rodney pitch again I will freak
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Depressing
We need a 6 inning at least lights out game from Stras and Max to pitch game 7
Otherwise we are done
In the World Series giving up 4 runs is like giving up 6 in the regular season
If I see Rodney pitch again I will freak
Don't you just want to flick that hat off his head? It would be the last 10 seconds of my life but what a way to drop.
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So true
:)
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Geez I am reading Scherzer is done
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is this the point when DC teams do what they do so often
wrest defeat from the jaws of victory
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is this the point when DC teams do what they do so often
wrest defeat from the jaws of victory
At least we have the world champion Mystics.
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Max is throwing
Go Stras
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How is it that Soto's one year of English is better than Big Papi's 20+ years of English...and Big Papi had a prime time broaddcasting job?
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Good luck sleeping tonight.
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I’m up!!!
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Still up
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"Turner Eaton Rendon" is the gayest thing I've heard on broadcast tv in quite a while.
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that one was fun.
watched at a bar in Canton, hon. Lot's of pockets of Nationals fans around.
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My sister lives in Houston and is going to be at game
Tickets just came through for her...how lucky
I am a little jealous
I am kind of tense today
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in case you want to over-think and/or over-stress about tonight's pitching situation:
Nationals’ Game 7 pitching plan: Max Scherzer will go until ‘he can’t pitch anymore’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/10/30/nationals-game-pitching-plan-max-scherzer-will-go-until-he-cant-pitch-anymore/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/10/30/nationals-game-pitching-plan-max-scherzer-will-go-until-he-cant-pitch-anymore/)
When it comes to pitching strategy, Game 7 of the World Series brings chaos theory to life
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/10/30/when-it-comes-pitching-strategy-game-world-series-brings-chaos-theory-life/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/10/30/when-it-comes-pitching-strategy-game-world-series-brings-chaos-theory-life/)
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Suzuki should be catching. Give him a damn shot too.
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Umps behind home plate have been consistent
Anything close by Astros is a strike
Anything painting the lines by our pitchers is a ball
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FUCKING HOWIE!!!
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Two on, two outs in the 7th, I would have pinch hit for Robles (who has done nothing from the plate all series) with left handed bat of Adams...oh well.
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I'm so fucking glad they signed Osuna!
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Soooooooo... How' bout dem Nats?
;)
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So sweet
Am on top of the world
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Two on, two outs in the 7th, I would have pinch hit for Robles (who has done nothing from the plate all series) with left handed bat of Adams...oh well.
Good thing you aren't the coach
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Hunter Strickland winning a ring in a Nats uniform before Bryce Harper #bryceless
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Somebody please put this guy out of his misery.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/poor-bat-behavior-is-a-stain-on-baseballs-unwritten-standards/2019/10/30/8ff1d55c-fb42-11e9-8190-6be4deb56e01_story.html
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Great run by the Nats. Enjoy seeing Scherzer and Sanchez get a ring. Enjoying see my Braves fan friends this apoplectic.
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Bigger tits than Julia Rose. Ban this buffoon for life!
https://mobile.twitter.com/joshscampbell/status/1189758188939137025
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Time to open up the wallet deep and bring back Strasburg (if he opts out) and Rendon.
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I'm sure there's already been an article on this but when was the last time in any of the major US sports we had a best of 7 where the road team won every game?
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I'm sure there's already been an article on this but when was the last time in any of the major US sports we had a best of 7 where the road team won every game?
I read it was the first time in baseball
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I'm sure there's already been an article on this but when was the last time in any of the major US sports we had a best of 7 where the road team won every game?
This was the first time a road team has won SIX road games in any major sport series (MLB, NBA, NHL) . SEVEN extended that feat.
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I'm sure there's already been an article on this but when was the last time in any of the major US sports we had a best of 7 where the road team won every game?
This was the first time a road team has won SIX road games in any major sport series (MLB, NBA, NHL) . SEVEN extended that feat.
Wow.
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this made me lol
KELLYANNE CONWAY: Since President Trump came to office, the Capitals, the Mystics, and the Nationals have won their first championships
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this made me lol
KELLYANNE CONWAY: Since President Trump came to office, the Capitals, the Mystics, and the Nationals have won their first championships
I mean, this is not inaccurate.
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this made me lol
KELLYANNE CONWAY: Since President Trump came to office, the Capitals, the Mystics, and the Nationals have won their first championships
I mean, this is not inaccurate.
agreed, the sun came up every single day since he's entered office too
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I don’t see the sun today?
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(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/74938756_2281877705247485_4683289119026053120_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQkpcGryaq7DTTOgUMlCRiv54E8WRNge-CpKirvQw_9GG8uur81JTzTY-_gaolbxIlo&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=4ded062674ac956ba1f49f26ea4a7319&oe=5E5F3101)
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EILZP29WsAEE_n-?format=jpg&name=small)
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I wonder which Nats player is the most excited about hanging out with Trump on Monday at the White House?
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Matt Adams
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(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/74938756_2281877705247485_4683289119026053120_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQkpcGryaq7DTTOgUMlCRiv54E8WRNge-CpKirvQw_9GG8uur81JTzTY-_gaolbxIlo&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=4ded062674ac956ba1f49f26ea4a7319&oe=5E5F3101)
https://www.facebook.com/100007200870489/posts/2352537328329607?sfns=mo
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"The Washington Capitals, DC's National Hockey League team, also announced Friday that they would honor the Nationals before the Capitals' game on Sunday. Members of the Nationals as well as the World Series trophy will appear on the ice for a pre-game ceremony, according to a statement from the Capitals."
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stay classy DC teams
https://twitter.com/recordsANDradio/status/1191182498065211392
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stay classy DC teams
https://twitter.com/recordsANDradio/status/1191182498065211392
I had no idea walky was on the Nats.
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Anthony Rendon, Javy Guerra, Joe Ross, Wander Suero, Wilmer Difo, Michael A. Taylor, Victor Robles and Sean Doolittle are not on the official attendance list for today’s ceremony at the White House.
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Kurt Suzuki donned a MAGA hat at the ceremony.
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Kurt Suzuki donned a MAGA hat at the ceremony.
Perhaps that concussion was worse than I thought.
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Kurt Suzuki donned a MAGA hat at the ceremony.
Perhaps that concussion was worse than I thought.
looking like he's having a #metoo moment to me...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIjuV0LXkAY3l7t?format=jpg&name=small)
and Strasburg left Trump hanging...not sure it was intentional, but you could see Donny get that look of dejection for a moment
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During the presentation, player Ryan Zimmerman presented the President was presented with a Washington Nationals jersey. He thanked the President for "keeping everyone safe here in our country. You continue to make America the greatest country to live in the world," he added.
well, there goes my respect for zimm... (also, nice copy editing there)
"America fell in love with the Nats baseball," Trump said. "They just fell in love with Nats baseball. That's all they wanted to talk about -- that and impeachment. I like Nats baseball much more."
no kidding!
(from cnn (https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/04/politics/washington-nationals-world-series-white-house/index.html))
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During the presentation, player Ryan Zimmerman presented the President was presented with a Washington Nationals jersey. He thanked the President for "keeping everyone safe here in our country. You continue to make America the greatest country to live in the world," he added.
well, there goes my respect for zimm... (also, nice copy editing there)
"America fell in love with the Nats baseball," Trump said. "They just fell in love with Nats baseball. That's all they wanted to talk about -- that and impeachment. I like Nats baseball much more."
no kidding!
(from cnn (https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/04/politics/washington-nationals-world-series-white-house/index.html))
I won't be going to the Salt Line.
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Stras, 7 years, $245 million
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Stras, 7 years, $245 million
So long to Rendon? If I could only have one of the two, he's the one I wanted...
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Same. They better resign Rendon
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I would make Rendon a similar offer to the deal Harper supposedly turned down from Dodgers....
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Stras, 7 years, $245 million
- full no-trade clause
- no options or opt-outs
- ~$80m deferred, plus interest
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Rendon never liked DC because he's a Republican? Well screw him. Time to make Sean Doolittle my favorite in spite of his ridiculous beard.
Dec 23, 2019
Washington Post Sports Columnist Tom Boswell answered your questions about the Redskins, Capitals, Nationals, Wizards, the NFL and more.
— DEC 23, 2019 11:25 EST
Q: Rendon’ s feelings about D.C.
Can you please more fully explain why you think Anthony Rendon didn’t really like D.C. and that his feelings influence his decision to sign with the Angels rather than the Nats? The reporting I saw on his remarks didn’t seem to justify that conclusion. He seemed clear that “Hollywood” was not a good fit, but not as clear on his feelings about D,C. Is there more to the story that we didn’t see?
A: Thomas Boswell
I watched Rendon for years and listened to every comment he ever made about DC or playing for the Nats. My conclussion was always that he was "tepid" and, like Jordan Zimmerman, felt like he was somewhat out of place in a major East Coast city. Zimmerman wanted to get back closer to his small-town upper-mid-west roots --and did by signing with the Tigers. I'd hate to think that a high-talent good-guy player like Rendon would fall into the trap of feeling like his baseball decisions should get tied up with his red-blue culture feelings. But it certainly seems like that was in play here. He's very religious, and acts on his convictions. He's also very comfortable --he says-- in (home state) Texas and Orange County, which, of course, has a very rich-and-red reputation, though voting patterns are changing there.
To be blunt, I don't think Rendon ever liked Washington very much. His teammates, yes. The way the team was run --with the front office often frustrated in its dealings with the Lerners on key decisions-- was certainly a problem for him. How big a problem? I can't measure. But he was always one of those who --internally-- was viewed as a player who loved the Nats baseball people --throughout the whole organization-- but didn't think that the folks above them necessarily knew as much about baseball as they thought they did.
For the record, I think Rendon will disappear in Angel world, much as Manny Machado did in San Diego. That team has no starting pitching worthy of the name. It'll take years to get it.
I'd have loved to see Rendon get a deal done anywhere from 8-to-18 months ago. HE wouldn't prefer that --because it would probably have cost him $50-to-$100M depending on the timing. But I suspect he'll look back on his time with the Nationals --not his time in Washington as a place with a congenial culture for his tastes-- but his time with the Nats, as his happiest as a baseball player.
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I just think it’s irrelevant...I judge him on baseball
I also note he did not attend White House
I do think he wanted to move...and is that so wrong?
I mean Mark Lerner said it: if the player wants to be here a deal will get done
Rendon didn’t and it’s ridiculous to somehow feel he should have wanted to and is bad for not
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Yeah, I was just being a bit facetious.
Overall, I like life in DC, but there are other places i would prefer more if i could easily transfer my job elsewhere. So i don't begrudge him if that's indeed his reasoning.
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Oh ok....Also I think Nats fans kind of suck....maybe they suck everywhere but this season we drew way worse than last year...
I am definitely feeling burnt out of living in DC...Trump really doesn’t help...but I feel kind of stuck cause I really like the Arlington schools for the kids....if that changes I might try to move....it’s hella expensive here and unless one is making $200,000/year one is kind of poor
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Classic Boswell.
For the record, he never quotes Rendon. Not once.
It never once occurred to him that the allure of playing for MLB's only Hispanic owner in a town with substantially more Hispanic culture might be appealing to him and his family? Just ask Vlad Guerrero and Albert Pujols, and why Arte Moreno was so obsessed with Adrian Beltre....
Instead, he makes it about perceived politics, which not even accurate about Orange County any longer.
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Well there is this....
Rendon missed the Nationals’ World Series celebration with President Donald Trump at the White House. “I wanted to go so bad,” Rendon said, per USA Today. “Obviously being from Texas, I think you guys know which views we lean towards.”
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Then why not take the Rangers offer, pay less taxes, live closer to your hometown and be with MAGA hat wearers?
Only in DC does everything have to looked at and written about through the lens of politics...and I say that from San Francisco which speaks volumes!
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Well there is this....
Rendon missed the Nationals’ World Series celebration with President Donald Trump at the White House. “I wanted to go so bad,” Rendon said, per USA Today. “Obviously being from Texas, I think you guys know which views we lean towards.”
Hey Tony, chill. You're from Richmond, TX in the 22nd Congressional District, where Cruz beat Beto by a mere 0.6%.
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Dumbest idea I've ever heard.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29004498/mlb-union-focused-plan-allow-season-start-early-arizona
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Yup
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Dumbest idea I've ever heard.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29004498/mlb-union-focused-plan-allow-season-start-early-arizona
Agreed. Too clever by half. Stupid.
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Hey MLB: NO.
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Fire Davey?
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This “season” is a joke
Who cares what the record is??
I am still bummed about Rendon though...but if he really wanted to leave
My friend thinks Rizzo wants to leave and is “disengaged”
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My friend was wrong
https://curlyw.mlblogs.com/nationals-agree-to-terms-with-mike-rizzo-5f7634aa59de?gi=44a415589564
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Howie Kendrick retires
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Looks like FP Santangelo is in hot water
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How much longer til we fire Davey?
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How much longer til we fire Davey?
Well Brad had a big Hand in yesterday's loss.
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I gotta hand it to you...
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On the other hand they have been horrible since they won the World Series
I know Rizzo isn’t going to fire him but I would
Rendon hasn’t been gangbusters for the Angels either
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Every time Brad pitches well, it's a good hand job. Every time he doesn't, it's a blown job.
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Every time Brad pitches well, it's a good hand job. Every time he doesn't, it's a blown job.
Guys, for the last time, I will not use my literary skills to write erotic forum fan-fiction. Stop trying to goad me.
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What's wrong with Soto? Zimmerman has more home runs than Soto in less than two-thirds the at bats.
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It’s a game of adjustments
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Schwarber just keeps hitting homers….team has won 13 out of last 16
And can I just say what Ohtani is doing is nuts!
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Soto to Padres
They really did break up the Nats after the World Series win
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At some point Davey should be gone, as well as, the pitching coach Hickey.
Cubs let Maddon go about 2 seasons after winning world series. What does Davey have on the Lehners and Rizzo?
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At some point Davey should be gone, as well as, the pitching coach Hickey.
Cubs let Maddon go about 2 seasons after winning world series. What does Davey have on the Lehners and Rizzo?
They just extended him and Rizzo.
The Lerners are all in on selling the team so they just want stability
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I know that they extended him and Rizzo. Crazy since they have doen nothing since the championship.
Surprised people even show to games, especially today.
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They just extended him and Rizzo.
The Lerners are all in on selling the team so they just want stability
What's in it for them? Just their salaries? They're gonna get the crap kicked out of them for years. What person who has achieved anything wants to lose all the time just because they get paid a ton? They can get their money somewhere else.
I especially do not understand why Mike Rizzo hasn't left. What is in it for him? He went from boy wunderkind GM to being humiliated on a regular basis by his ignorant and spend thrift owners. Rizzo could easily resign and take the next best job that comes open. Almost all of them are guaranteed to be better than in DC.
I'd rather be owned by the Angelos family right now.
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Well I am not sure Davey will quickly get another job as manager so staying makes sense before becoming bench coach somewhere….
Rizzo is probably excited to build an entirely new team and hoping the new owners will keep him. Surely they will want to win and come in with $
Davey should have been fired. Rizzo probably also…
The Lerners are a disgrace. Once they won the WS they were like we are done